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moderating an event with the noble prize winning economists and "new york times" writer and author paul this sunday october 17th. getting going around 7:00 p.m. and you can see the link on the screen if you want to join us in new york to learn more. go to the link in new york and you can meet me and paul as we talk about the future of the u.s. economy. i'll tell you rachel maddow is back with bernie sanders so keep it locked for that tonight and keep it locked now because "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> how are you doing? excited. very chill, very chill. we'll all be watching. have fun in new york city. good evening, everyone. happy wednesday. it's midweek. not the time of the week one would normally spend gambling, we hope and yet, we begin "the reidout" with a giant game of poker we're watching play out in realtime with very heavy stakes. there are now 12 days until the u.s. economy faces catastrophic
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failure. we're talking 2008 level recession or worse. seriously. and that calamity is being teed up by multi millionaire and corporate backed kentucky senator mitch mcconnell who today did something unusual for him in this game. he folded offering democrats a deal to raise the debt ceiling, but there is a catch. per mcconnell, democrats can only do it until december and only if they agree to use reconciliation to pay for it beyond december. earlier today president biden surrounded by business leaders assembled to put pressure on mcconnell said this. >> let me be clear. raising the debt limit is paying our old debts. it has nothing to do with new spending or what may becoming this year or other years. it has nothing to do with my plans on infrastructure or building back better, both of which are paid for but not even in the queue right now. it doesn't have to be this way.
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my republican friends need to stop playing russian roulette with the economy. if they don't want to do the job, get out of the way. >> like most of you, i don't enjoy watching these politicians play games with our lives and economy and yet, here is where we stand. on the one side, you have the republican party filled with trump lemmings who racked up nearly $8 trillion in debt while trump was president without batting an eye handing out billionaire and corporate tax cuts like halloween candy. these guys made it rain for four years like they had an american express black card and knew just how to use it. but now that joe biden is president, they are in full clutch fanning outrage over the debt that they incurred and they're now demanding napa pa joe pay the credit card bill. it's why they're doing it, why they're really actually doing it that will make you mad.
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here is the tea. republicans want democrats to raise the debt limit to what would have to be around a $30 trillion increase. they want to do it, say the number, put the number out there and do it by themselves just so that republicans can run nasty ads next year saying look how democrats just blew $30 trillion. what shame. vote republican. senator rick scott, chairman of the 2022 elections told nbc news he can't wait to make the debt ceiling an issue in the midterms if democrats raise it. when asked if the party's campaign committee which he chairs will blame democrats alone, he said oh, you better believe it. a point that north carolina senator thom tillis echoed today. >> why do you need to have a specific number? >> because i'd kind of like to know how much money they intend to spend and they don't want to say that because i think when they do, the american people are going to be the first ones to
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object to it. what is it 5 trillion? 10 trillion? >> uh-huh. they want a number. the other side of the poker table are democrats while facing off with a completely unhinged party or actually trying to get stuff done with the build back better agenda, which again, has nothing to do with the debt limit but they don't want to be punished for that while paying trump's bills. here is exactly what is at stake for you and 333 million of your fellow americans. do you rely on social security? well, the republicans gambit could have delayed your payments. do you use medicare or medicaid when you go to the hospital? well, if republicans dragged this out, it could have threatened access to care. you get the child tax credit that biden passed? say good-bye to that payment. you have retirement funds in a 401 k? the markets would have freaked out, tanked and you could have lost a huge chunk of your savings. want to take out a loan? you would have had to pay more
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and finally, republicans were willing to stiff millions of service members, people that serve the united states military would go unpaid. remind me again why this party should be taken seriously? finally, according to reports, mcconnell, the grim reaper was also worried, this is another reason he blinked that his reckless behavior might actually force senators joe mansion and kyrsten sinema to blow up the filibuster to raise the debt limit god forbid. like most things in washington, there is no deal until both parties, both major party leaders, chuck schumer and mcconnell agree to it and if they do, we'll be right back here at the poker table in december. perfect. joining me now is former senator al franken of minnesota, host of the al franken podcast who is on a comedy tour across america aaron haynes. we actually called you and we
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asked you to call us and talk to the producer who is working on this segment and kind of walk us through the way that it works on capitol hill because i think we don't do that enough in this business. sort of explain this to people. have i accurately described the republican position, that they would like democrats to use reconciliation, put the debt limit in reconciliation so that there has to be a number attached to it so that they can take that number, 30 trillion, 32 trillion, 33 trillion, whatever that number is they have to raise the debt limit and run adds against them next year? is that accurate? >> that is certainly part of the strategy, joy, and the fact the chairman of the campaign arm rick scott said as much is notable. they want democrats to take full ownership for the level of national debt, which is rapidly approaching $30 trillion right now and it's worth noting of course that $30 trillion is a thoroughly bipartisan venture, both parties have racked up this debt and it's not, i should say,
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not a completely unprecedented position for the minority party to say the party in charge should vote by themselves but unprecedented to say that the minority will filibuster the attempt to do that. democrats in the minority made republicans raise the debt limit on their own but didn't filler buster and that's what chuck schumer, the democratic leader is demanding now. the party leaders have what we believe is a tentative agreement to do a short term extension, a short term increase i should say in the debt limit through december. that would defer a catastrophic economic calamity on the doomsday the treasury set but details are being worked out. the devil is in the details and if things go well, it would be announced as early as tonight. my colleague garrett haake says a holdup here is they need technical details from the treasury department how much money the government will need to stay open until december and there are other fine print letters if two parties agree,
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could this get resolved soon? >> if the two parties agree, that's where the sticking point is. here is the thing i think is a really anger people. it angered me when i finally -- when i'm like oh, the reason that republicans want reconciliation to be the vehicle is that they know the parliamentarian wants a number, that they won't let things like immigration through and other things through because they need a number, a dollar amount. they want to take the dollar amount that the debt ceiling is, whether it's $30 trillion which has been spend for 20 years, 30 years back to regan and say ah-ha democrats spent $30 trillion, boom and blame that on built back better. that's so disingenuous and nasty and ugly i think americans need to know it. my question is, do the democrats have enough strategic brilliance thinking to figure out how to counter that and if they -- if you could give them advice, how do you think they should counter
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it? >> i think what mcconnell was worried about is that this is a game of chicken and mcconnell blinked because democrats could have just changed the rules. you are right. the parliamentarian could dictate that but i don't think mitch wants democrats fiddling with the rules because once you start doing that and they were backed into a corner in the financial markets and wall street was saying don't do this and former defense secretaries were doing this and everybody is saying don't do this. ten years ago, we didn't -- we didn't default but came close and our credit rating went down for our bonds. so this was a game of chicken and mitch blinked. and so i think that he was afraid that we would just procedurally change the rules and once we get used to that, there is a lot of different things that we can do including
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on the freedom to vote act, which is, of course, as you've covered many times and emphasized is voting rights is a threat to our democracy and joe mansion was one of the co-authors of that with amy klobuchar and others and wouldn't you know maybe we could do that through -- we can't do reconciliation because it isn't money involved but if we start changing the rules, we can change the rules on that and that would be very significant in terms of our voting rights and democracy. >> and there in lies the point aaron haynes, because the democrats up to now have been saying we don't want to use reconciliation for the debt limit. we don't want to do it. we don't want to do it. it will take too long. my mind was breaking. i was like why don't you want to do it? if you use that vehicle, you can do all these other things.
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we have police reform. you wrote a great piece today about home care workers who would like to see the build back better plan include them and give them descent wages, et cetera if the democrats were to actually change the rules, they could do all the things they promised to do. but they don't want to do it because they know that if they use reconciliation, they're going to get tagged with the $30 trillion. it's a devious, devious thing republicans have done. in your view, do they need to just say take the chance, bite the bullet and do all the things that you promised to do? >> well, joy, i don't know if they are there yet. you did see as senator franken said, you saw mitch mcconnell blinking today. you saw defense secretaries, former defense secretaries signing a letter urging the gop to get with the program invoking the most bipartisan of issues, right? support for our military. nobody wants to head into reelection looking like they
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don't support the truth especially with republicans already poised to go on offense on things like afghanistan in 2022. right? they may have lost some of that leverage depending on how this goes. so republican obstruction is at least on this issue may be on hold for now. joy, i think it's really important that you laid out the stakes for voters and for your audience on what it means if the debt ceiling is not raised. like what happens if this does not happen? that is something that increasingly you're starting to see administration doing, laying out the stakes around the debt ceiling but also around what happens if build back better does not happen and that's exactly what i was trying to get at in my story, which thank you so much for highlighting that that's up on 19th news right now. i mean, you've got people like senator joe mansion saying his number is $1.5 trillion but doesn't say exactly what the policy priorities are that he will support. like, this is the thing that matters to the american people who voted for, you know, a lot
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of the policy priorities that are in that proposal. this is what we should be trying to layout even as we try to continue to figure out what price tag that democrats are going to ultimately settle on to get this done. you know, my story focuses on the proposed $400 billion that's in build back better to help right or wrong dating back to roosevelt's deal that excluded the mostly black and brown women that are and were domestic workers from labor protections like earning a living wage. we have concern that hbcu funding might be on the chopping block. another priority of black voters that helped to deliver in the middle of a pandemic so what is at stake for voters should be the focus. it's what seems to be the focus before democrats maybe go nuclear. if they can get across to the american people and kind of continue to have that pressure from places like wall street, maybe more folks coming out of
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the wood work like defense secretaries past coming out trying to lean on folks to do the right thing, i think that's the strategy that we're seeing, you know, in this phase of this process. >> and here is the thing, senator franken. i'll come back to you. those are really good points because there are two separate things that both have to get done. democrats have a whole raft of policies that have nothing to do with the debt limit. the debt limit is past spending and the black card they've been using to spend. then they had these other sets of priorities they, you know, logically they should do through the reconciliation process and blowup the filibuster and do it but then we also have this additional dead life. if they push this down the road to december and mitch mcconnell gets to do this again in december, that doesn't incentivize them to do other things you heard aaron haynes talk about. in your view as a former senator, would it be better if they used the reconciliation process to just actually change the rules? could they theoretically say
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i'll put in the reconciliation bill, i don't know, a provision that says i'll index the debt limit to whatever. index it to whatever the spending limit was. is there a way to do that so mitch mcconnell can't have this card to play again in december? >> i think mitch was afraid they would be forced into doing that. they feel forced to do it. this gives us time to pass a build back better. what is great about this is that gives us the time to get sinema and mansion and get all 51 with the vice president on board on a package and if we tell the american people and keep telling the american people what's in it, medicare negotiating with pharmaceuticals, pretty much everyone in the country is for that. we pay three times as much for the same pharmaceuticals as europe does. the child tax credit, that would
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be the largest tax cut for the middle class and the works class and low income people that we've ever had. universal prek, there are so many elements of this that are so popular and we have to emphasize what is in it but what i like about this is this gives us time to focus on that. right now, we had 12 days to figure this out because defaulting on the debt is catastrophic and so we could not have allowed that and that's when we could have changed the rules to do it just to save our economy. really justified in doing that. >> last question, cy hill, do you know whether democrats will take the full deal? is it in writing and a done deal? >> it's not a done deal yet last i checked a couple minutes ago but they are negotiating and the fact party leadership on both ends has gone quiet suggestions there is real negotiating going
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on. what democrats red line is they won't agree in any form or fashion to do the next debt limit increase in reconciliation as senator mcconnell suggested in his statement and democrats are kind of going around saying mcconnell caved and blinked and this is a victory. one thing mcconnell gets is democrats will put a number on this and pass it, them shelves with their votes. they'll put a number and republicans will try to say they should put a number again when this comes up again in december. it looks like as you point out, joy, we'll do this again in a couple months. >> again, everybody again focused. they're doing it to run ads. not because of some high conservative principle, something that matters that's deeply held some principle. they're doing it to run ads. that's embarrassing. it is embarrassing for a first world democracy. senator al franken, aaron haynes, sahill, thank you very much. up next on "the reidout," have you seen this man.
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looking for dan to compile with subpoenas that. committee member jamie raskin joins me next. also, the right wing misinformation machine, fox goes all in but not just immigrants of color. what we're learning about the big telecom company oan. 40 years ago, secretary of state alexander hague says i am in control after president regan was shot. nope, that's not how it works. another politician claiming power she doesn't have. she's tonight's absolute worst. "the reidout" continues after this. welcome to allstate. ♪ ♪ you already pay for car insurance, ♪
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presidential election will face its first real test from the orange piper. four of trump's closest aides and associates mark meadows and deputy and cash patel and former strategist steve bannon are facing a subpoena deadline to turnover emails, call records and documents related to the capitol attack and been instructed to appear for depositions next week. the former president has been thumping his chest saying to invoke executive privilege and prevent aids from giving information to the committee. this should come as no surprise to anyone as past administration defied subpoena after subpoena while squatting in the white house hiding behind executive privilege. only the current president can decide what is protected by executive privilege making that defense as worthless as a degree from trump university. joining me now is a member of the january 6th select committee congressman jamie raskin. thank you for being here. i have to start with the
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interesting missing person case of mr. dan. he is hiding from the process servers to your knowledge as of this evening, has he been located? >> to my knowledge, no, but i don't know because i haven't been in touch with people on the staff today but i have had republicans come up to me on the floor and say go look for him and his mother's basement. i've had republicans say try to find him at donald trump rallies, wherever donald trump goes you'll find him. i don't know. he's aware that we're looking for him and should call so he can be served if he hasn't been served. >> they snitching? that's fascinating. let's talk about what will happen if the ones who aren't hiding still don't show up. let me let you listen to your chairman benny thompson. he was asked what will happen if someone defies the subpoenas
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that, the ones not hiding. >> well, the only thing i can say is the committee will probably to those who don't agree to come in voluntarily, we'll do criminal referrals and let that process work out. >> and so while i put up a list of the 15 total subpoenas that that are out there, can you explain how that would work? let's say there are criminal referrals against let's say steve bannon or cash patel says he's not showing up and the criminal referral happens. can you walk us through what that process looks like? >> i'm not certain if the chair man decided what we'll do but there is a process for getting criminal contempt turning information over for the district of colombia and getting the department of justice to demand that these people appear in court and be jailed until the point at which they cooperate with the congressional subpoena. it could be civil contempt or it also could be inherent contempt
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of congress where we design our own process for hauling these people in and perhaps finding them until they're willing to cooperate but i don't know what makes them think they're better than anybody else in the country. all of the rest of us to have to cooperate when we receive a subpoena. what makes them better than the hundreds of people that storm the capitol, broke the windows and assaulted federal officers? those people have had to compile and so somehow they think they get some kind of magic immunity from donald trump and i know that's a guy who has been surrounded by armies of lawyers for his entire life and that's with complete lawlessness and impunity but even he has to face what the law, catches up with him. think about the trump university case where they defrauded all these people. they had to pay millions of dollars. think about the house of representatives twice impeaching donald trump. so the law is going to catch up with all of these people and i think that they're just making a really mad mistake to cast their lot with donald trump because in
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the final analysis, you'll cut these people off and they will be facing the law and their families have to deal with the shame of the disrespect they're showing to the rule of law in the government of the united states. >> and the thing that's odd is that they would believe him despite all the cases that he's lost about his failure to gain reelection when he says oh, don't worry, i used to be president so i can invoke executive privilege when there is another president. the fact anyone would believe that has legal force, i'm not even a lawyer and find that shocking. this is the former vice president mike pence, the subject of the anger and rage, that sent a lot of those people into the capitol and even brought a noose. here he is talking about what you-all are trying to do to investigate a crime that was also a crime against him. >> i know the media wants to district from the biden administration's failed agenda by focussing on one day in
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january. they want to use that one day to try to demean the character and intentions of 74 million americans. >> the fact that this man was actually threatened by those people that stormed the capitol make it seem -- and also that he had a role because his role in finishing and certifying the election was point and what drove the rage, he seems like a logical person you might want to interview. do you anticipate that attempting to call mike pence would result in y'all -- you-all having to go to court with mike pence's lawyers, that he might fight a subpoena? can you anticipate that? >> well, i mean, i can't predict any particular sequence of events with respect to, you know, this or that witness. i'm still, i guess, trying to recover from the shock of that little clip you showed. i mean, here mike pence was facing a mob that was chants hang mike pence and set up
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gallows and this was a coup, not against the president but by the president mike pennsylvania because forthat one day, he decided not to follow donald trump but to follow the constitution of the united states and now like a funk, he clearly returns right to the cultish fold of donald trump. i mean, it's just amazing to me to see that but they all want to sweep it under the rug because they want to view it in purely partisan political terms. likely, not all republicans feel that way. we have a strong bipartisan committee determined to get to the truth about the worst violent assault on the u.s. capitol since the war of 1812 and an attempt to over throw the counting of electoral college votes to basically oust mike pence which we won.
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reinjured in six electoral college votes to the contin went election where we vote one state one vote and they knew that they could win that so they just needed to destroy most of the electoral process and now mike pence in his desperate effort to curry favor with the right wing in his own party is trying to cover the whole thing up. it's just pathetic. >> it is pathetic and shocking. i will join you in the shock when i saw the clip for the first time, too. i was equally shocked. jamie raskin, thank you for being here. i'll suggest one other potential witness i would love to see called. john eastman, that memo was terrifying. it was a practice session for what we might see in the future. just throw that name out there for you. thank you congressman. up next on "the reidout" leading the charge to bring white nationalism into the main stream diving head first into a pool of white supremacists.
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your vote. >> why do they look so confused? it continues to be a fear mongering tactic on frozen charles tuckerson's white power hour. people of color and immigrants will replace the white race and eradicate its political power. steve king and matt gaetz are doing their own version claiming that democrats are vying to replace white voters with black and brown voters. you'll likely not be surprised it is deeply rooted in a 2019 "new york times" piece reported the most pressing concern among far right members is falling birthrates, meaning white women are not making enough babies because they are spending too much time competing with men at the workplace and leaving their kids at daycare or god for bid voting. for people in the white power movement, everything is framed through reproduction and gender.
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given the obsession with replacement theory, it should surprise no members of the gop, some have the sexual predator donald trump should be accused against violence against women. joining me is joan walsh and author of "white evangelical racism" the politics of morality in america. i want to start with you, joan, on this. that 2019 article that i'll tweet out and recommend everybody take a look at it because it makes that connection between this sort of, you know, they're all coming to get us white genocide replacement theory, anti raciest theory and they're attitude toward women where they say, you know, our women aren't doing their job and therefore they need to be controlled, constantly controlled so we have these candidates running and two of them have trump's backing. a woman who had an affair said he sexual assaulted her and
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black maleded her with nude photos. sean parnell, the leading republican candidate in pennsylvania twice took out temporary production. the ex-wife of herschel walker claimed in divorce records he was physically abusive and threatened to murder her. they have trump's endorsement. your thoughts? >> well, i think the replacement theory, joy, is the perfect intersection of racism and i was with you when we heard those nazis in khakis chanting jews will not replace us and we were both like huh? and then we got to know better that there is this insane theory out there that does over lap with we don't like black people. we don't like brown people and we really think the white women are letting us down. so you got this diagram of replacement theorists, nazis,
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tucker carlson and i wish we could throw a tarp on it and ask someone to take it away. >> we cannot. we're stuck in it with politics because that what used to be a fringe. when we were sitting there going oh, jews will not replace us is a thing people are saying in khakis. we then started to really zoom out and see this movement is broad. you can take it back to 2014 and it is sucking in a very particular group of people. they are targeting white evangelicals as the people they feel are vulnerable to this and they think that is going to spur them to the polls out of this terror of replacement it's coinciing with evangelicals. >> you look at the statistics of white evangelicals, they are
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least likely to welcome immigrants. their christian doctrine is you welcome the stranger. you're supposed to do that as a christian but they're not listening to what script tour says. they're listening to the republican party. it's important for people to realize this is not just some simple little thing that tucker is talking about in order to get a vote agenda for 2022. it's a lot worse and has historical even before all of this. so if you start to bring the dots together and look at people likeanders in norway, they are talking about replacement theory. so what tucker is doing is just repurposing this for the american public and for white evangelicals who are afraid that people will come across the border and either inpregnant their daughters or come back and replace them to vote, which is just a flat out lie. >> yeah, i mean, the mother
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emanuel massacre involved a person with a media and terror again of losing women to black men, right? there was a piece to what he did. we seen these other killers do it. i wonder how women you think because suburban women are the thing that both parties are both going after. particularly white suburban women. do you think this at some point starts resinating, oh, there is this desire to control us and that's where this anti abortion mania, do people start making those connections in your view? >> i mean, i hope so but i don't think they have yet. i mean, obviously, i think even suburban women are including suburban women are very upset about the texas abortion insanity and other laws. so i think they're getting it but i don't think they've put it together yet. but as professor b as i know her just said, it's this line that christ church new zealand massacre maniac, the el paso
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massacre guy, they're manifestos were shot through with replacement theory but also articulating that it's not just immigrants replacing us or, you know, black men taking our women. it's just the failure of white women to reproduce and also to, you know, bestow their sexual favors on these guys who feel like they're not getting enough. >> yeah. >> and so i don't want to say that includes tucker because i have no idea. but it is interesting going back to this over and over and over again. >> he absolutely does and i mean, you think about it professor b that, you know, we're talking about a party that embraced brett kavanaugh with everything they had. they would do anything to get him on the supreme court despite the allegations against him by a high school friend. the same thing they did with clearance thomas, they don't care about things that involve the abuse and harm of women. they embraced him.
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he's got two dozen accusers and now you've got these candidates who are going to run with trump's backing with those histories of abuse. i wonder how we were supposed to respond to that in our politics. >> well, i think we respond this way. first of all, you stop calling evangelicals when they say they're all about morality. they're not. morality is a shield. morality is a way for them to get power. what is good for them is not good for you so donald trump and all the rest of these people can sleep with who they want to as many times as they want to and do things they're not supposed to do according to their religious belbelieves. the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter and i think people really need to understand when we start to look at the numbers about rape, insist, when we start to look at things about domestic violence, we need to count in religion into that and how religion plays a part in the political atmosphere of what is acceptable for these men to do and what is not acceptable for these men to do and women tend to lose always.
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always they lose. >> yeah, we need to start voting on these issues. it very important. joan walsh and thea butler. as a republican official finds a new or more evil way to put her constituents in danger but first, the former ultra conservative news work was created how? you do not want to miss it. we'll be right back. how? you do not want to miss it we'll be right back. movie befo. (woman) you have? (burke) sure, this is the part where all is lost and the hero searches for hope. then, a mysterious figure reminds her that she has the farmers home policy perk, guaranteed replacement cost. and that her home will be rebuilt, regardless of her limits or if the cost of materials has gone up. (woman) that's really something. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. wait, i didn't ruin the ending, did i? (woman) yeah, y-you did. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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a stunning report reveals far right news network oan wouldn't exist if at&t executives hadn't seen an opportunity to create a new tv conservative network in 2013. at and the provided tens of millions of dollars in revenue for oan and the network's accountant testified last year without a deal made with direct tv, which at&t owned at the time, the network's value would be zero.
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so here is why this is a big deal. oan is a massive propronant of misinformation. it was the favorite network tweeting about them more than 100 times. reuter points out the online audience soared after a competitor fox news affirmed biden's victory after the insurrection. one of the insurrectionists brought an oan flag with them on january 6th. the violent rhetoric went beyond and a self-described regular oan viewer accused colorado secretary of state jena griswold of treason warning her punishment is hanging in lethal injection. in a statement today at&t said they never held a financial interest in oan's success and do not fund them and noted direct
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tv is a separate company outside at&t. they didn't respond to the testimony quoted that the inspiration to launch oan came directly from at&t executives. i'm joined now by anglo, president and ceo of media matters for america. long time no speak, anglo. good to see you. let's talk about this. i saw this today on twitter, honestly and went oh. give us this back story. media matters has a bunch of headlines so let's put them up. relentlessly fund raises to spread the audit nationwide and the month's long campaign against covid-19 vaccines are a cecpool of hate. what the what? >> yeah, look, one america notion is that fox news is part of the liberal media. so that tells you everything you need to know what america is. that is their organizing principle and how they got started. what makes this story significant is basically, at&t
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at the time came to them and dangled a real serious business partnership. one was investing and buying more the more tantalizing thing is look, we'll guarantee you enough revenue even if you do not run, get but get commercial, even if you have almost no viewers, you will still be a profitable company as long as you exist and take this deal. that's what started in 2013. they said we'll put you on most of our six billion customers. we'll pay you a fee for your channel that is so outrageously high, at that point probably would have been about 18 times what market value was if you could have attributed market value you for it which should probably open them up to shareholder litigation. if someone offers you guarantee, why wouldn't you take it. >> this is not a normal news network. being founded because of at&t, they said we would love to have
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another right wing news network. that's bizarre in and of itself. any of these reports that donald trump's campaign had veto power of this network's story. the former mayor said the deposition that christina bob who volunteered for the legal team had to run her stories by the campaign. that is clearly not a news network. >> we were still trying to claw our way out of this pandemic in large part due to misinformation that came out of the right wing media. when fox news stopped playing the game, if you remember it was the trump administration that was giving a day pass to the one american news network's correspondent who was then asked in those questions that the administration wanted. to your point about editorial influence, they weren't just vetoing stories, they were
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involved in shaping the stories. that showed the significance of what the network represented. it was to great a political force. trump used it to drag them along with narrative that they would have not been fully embracing. >> you mention the fact that they are still be relevant and be profitable without ads. they run few commercials compared with competitors. there's no way to boycott them because they don't have any ads. >> fox works the same system. fox news doesn't need any commercials either. they would have a 90% profit margin. what makes this story so significant is fox news worked the system. they did it oaf the course of 15 years. this was this intentional
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strategy. in this case, at&t just parachuted in and said here is your golden ticket. what's worse is they signed a deal that basically said to one american news and this is how it shows they were invested in one america news success, the terms of their deal, one renew automatically unless they pull out. this year even after the insurrection and the violent stuff you referenced before, at&t renewed with one america news knowing what they had done over the previous year. they didn't have to. it says if you sign another deal with cable provider it must be on our terms which are really lie. it kept one america news from getting a lot of pickup and the way they offset that was by giving them more money. it kind of became exclusive to at&t.
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republican party is. one local gop board is backing an anti-se mettic troll for a school board post. another supported a doctor who called the covid vaccine fake for a seat he holds on the school board. last month it allowed hospitals to ration care. morgues are are you positiving -- running out of space. today with the crisis unfolding, republican governor brad little was off grand standing with other gop governors because that will help. while he was aware, lieutenant governor janice took advantage of a provision make her the acting governor by issuing an executive order banning schools from requiring proof of vak si flags. governor little said he was going to reverse it. she also tried to deploy the national bard to the border while he's out of town. it's not first time she's gone rogue. in may when little was at the
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republican governor's association meeting, she banned mask man dates. governor little isn't great at handling covid. idaho vaccination rate is abysmal and he's contemplated legal action but lunts governor is out trying to maga him for the republican nomination next year. she met with the orange man about indoctrination in schools and she's called for all 50 states to conduct an arizona style fraud it. she appeared in a video bobble and gun in hand slamming idaho's covid rules while an official say a pandemic may or may not be happening. while both the governor and lieutenant governor waste idaho citizen time, perhaps to death
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will have her own constituents, she is tonight's absolute worse. that the tonight's reid out. i'm glad you hung in there with us for every single word of it. i'm tired. i think i might need to sit back and relax all in with chris hayes. the insurrection take place on november 3rd. >> nine months after donald trump's attempt to over throw democracy, the slow motion insurrection continues. >> let's audit the voting and publish it so everybody can see it. >> new progress from the select committee as trump aides defy subpoenas. stacy abrams on today's big hearing for voting rights and lawrence tribe on the threat to democracy no one is talking about. the unbelievable story of a lieutenant governor
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