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fighting with each other, yelling at each other, it seems they blew up one bridge too many where they decided they were going to play games or ted cruz says they were going to play chick within the united states economy and retirement accounts, and in texas and across the country. >> yes, and we get another crack at that argument in two months, because this just kicks the can down the road to december. also, it should be a big focus for people this weekend hopefully looking at that senate judiciary report which lays out in stark detail just how hard the white house led by former president trump worked to overturn the 2020 election. >> absolutely. we'll be seeing you on sunday today, that does it for us this morning. what a day so far, everybody. good morning, we're live here from msnbc headquarters in new york city, we've got a lot going
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on this morning, and a lot of coverage that we want to show you. we're going to start with september jobs numbers from the labor department. showing just 194,000 jobs added just last month, 500,000 were expected. the unemployment number fell from 5.2% to 4.8% as well. this is coming just hours after congress gave the economy a little good news. finally, coming through, with a deal to raise the nation's debt limit just 11 days before the deadline, after telling democrats for months they had to do it on their own, mitch mcconnell changed course and struck a bipartisan deal. it is a temporary fix though, raising the limit for a little less than half a trillion which will only get us to december 3rd. then we're going to have to do this, all over again, folks, we want to bring in nbc national reporter, monica, our white house correspondent and jason furman as well, chair of the
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white house advisers under president obama now a professor, jason, i want to start with you on this one, we got the jobs numbers coming out 30 minutes or so ago, right, 194,000 jobs as the projection was half a million jobs, nowhere near that, then you have the adjustment, up to 366 for august numbers, up from 235, what is going on here? >> there's no question that the most important story here is that the delta variant is slowing our progress. it's not reversing our progress. it's not like the first wave was last year, but it's slowing our progress. you look though beneath the headline number, and almost every other number in this report is better than it. the unemployment rate down sharply. down even more for black workers, the wages up quite a lot, hours were up, and there were positive revisions for previous months. so you know, this is definitely a disappointing moth, it's a
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little less disappointing than the headline, and if we can get the virus under control, we should be able to do a lot better in the rest of the year. >> so jason, you're giving me a little bit of a preview of what we will likely hear from president biden in the next hour and how he will spin some of these number, but that being said, you talk about the unemployment, right, and there was this idea that if they cut the unemployment, a lot of folks would be rushing back to the workplace, that in fact has not happened if we take a look at these numbers. >> yeah, people don't seem to be in a hurry to get back to work. i mean it's still a very tight labor market. there are about 12 million job openings out there, and about 8 million unemployed people, so there's 1.5 jobs for every unemployed person out there, that's one reason why wages rose so much again in september, people only were willing to take jobs if they paid them a lot more. you know, that's a little bit puzzling, frankly, and i think
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the unemployment will help over time, but it definitely hasn't been as large and as fast as many might have hoped. >> so just quickly here, jason, are you expecting a revision even of these numbers, as you saw for last month? >> i mean these numbers always get revised. we spend a lot of time looking at them a year later, it's a totally different number than we talked about on tv that morning, so i think there will probably be some more revision, a little more likely up than down, but i think the picture was not as good of a month as we like, not as bad as it looked. >> monica, talk us through the white house right now, we're going to hear from the president in just an hour or so. he's going to have to spin these number, as i mentioned, expecting half a million jobs and instead we're getting 194,000, i'm expecting, i am predicting, monica alba, infrastructure is going to be thrown into the president's speech, talking about the possibility of job creation if they're able to pass the build
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back better legislation. >> that's always a safe bet, yes, and with president biden and this white house, i absolutely expect him to touch on that, but i think something he said after the august jobs numbers is also going to be a pretty good predictor of what we're going to hear from the president later this morning, which is that in a moment of candor, he did concede that of course the numbers weren't where he wanted them to be, he admitted that, and said we were hopeful they were going to be better figures, coming out of here, but then he placed the blame on the delta surge and he talked specifically about how he hoped that as that peak went down, things would get better and i think that's what he is going to be talking about here, when we look at the month of september, since it appears that that case load really did peak in mid september, so he's going to make the case that likely in october, so a month from now, when we get the jobs numbers from this period, things will hopefully, he's going to argue trend in a different direction. but he will absolutely touch on
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the fact that the unemployment rate continues to fall steadily, at its lowest point that it has been in the 18 months since the pandemic started. that's something the president always does talk about, and i'm sure will highlight today. and then yes, he will absolutely pivot to making the case for his domestic agenda, what he believes, if these infrastructure packages get done, in terms of creating jobs, why that would be such a very big benefit, to the economy, and i think you will also hear him talk, about even though there is a short-term fix on the horizon for the debt ceiling issue, the president will still be applying political pressure for a longer term solution, something he will also probably be talking about, but he will frame this all within the context of the pandemic. that is what he has done with all of these jobs numbers, since he came to office, and he will talk about the fact that this isn't like a light switch on and off, it's a lot more like a dimmer, there's a lot of work left to do, but he's going to argue that his plan is working, the economy is durable and strong and this is going to be a
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longer road to recovery in his view. >> jason, fact check this for us. in the context of the pandemic as monica al ba put it, how is the economic recovery going when you take a look at these job number, the latest being released today? >> look, if you compare us to where we thought we'd be back in december, we're a lot better. no one thought the unemployment rate would be as low as 4.8% right now. if you compare us to the optimism we had maybe in may or june, as covid was plummeting, we're disappointed compared to that. so we got our hopes up quite a lot. this isn't doing as well as we had hoped a couple of months ago, a big picture, compared to what we thought in december, unemployment rate of 4.8, and heading down, and that's pretty good. >> let's talk about the debt limit vote, happening overnight last night, in the senate, right? so there is this narrative, right, mitch mcconnell for a
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long time is saying democrats got to go this alone, they're not going to do it, we all thought he would stick to his guns on that, and then the last minute, he changes course on this, negotiates with the democrats and got this over the finish line in the senate and got those with president trump, saying do not vote, mitch mcconnell should not support this, asking supporters to get behind him, for voters not to vote for this, what was mitch mcconnell's motivation? >> senator mcconnell made a bet months ago that democrats would fold and use that party line reconciliation process to raise the debt limit. democrats refused. chuck schumer emphatically refused. and it turned out to be a stare-down and mcconnell ultimately blinked and said he doesn't want an economic calamity out of this and doesn't want the country to default and he will provide ten republican votes for the short term solution. only two months. one key consideration here from mitch mcconnell was the fear that democrats would make
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changes to the filibuster, it would pierce the filibuster, at least create a carve-out for the purposes of the thing, the debt ceiling, it came down to a situation where the two hold-out democrats who support the fill bester, senator joe manchin and senator kyrsten sinema could be put in a situation of either save the economy and save the filibuster and mcconnell decided, according to numerous senators i spoke to he did not want to put them in that position. this is just a band-aid. this problem will have to be addressed again in december, and that december 3rd deadline could slide a little bit. one senator i talked to thinks it could slide to january but that will be for the treasury to decide. i think that donald trump is out there, the leader of the party pressuring mcconnell saying mcconnell folded and republicans must vote for the deal, that was problematic and that's why only 11 republican senators at the end of the day voted for that, one more than the bare minimum to make it pass. >> you're talking about the 11 republican senator, in spite of
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that chuck schumer on the floor yesterday, wow, that was quite a moment, and not getting a lot of good reaction, especially from democratic senator joe manchin even behind him as the senator continued to speak. let's take a little bit of a listen to him. >> republicans played a dangerous and risky partisan game. and i am glad that their blanksmanship did not work. despite immense opposition from mcconnell and members of the conference, our caucus held together and pulled our country back from the cliff's edge that the republicans tried to push us over. >> at one point joe manchin had his head in his hands as senator schumer continued to speak. that being said, senator schumer saying that he is going to need republicans help and wants to get republicans back on board for the december 3rd line. this is not the way to do it. >> well, this speech certainly ruffled some feathers, yasmin, i
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think there was negative reaction from it and mostly from republicans and a little bit from senator joe manchin at the tend of the day but i don't think this will matter when it comes to december and i think lawmakers will think of themselves, as adults do, we will cast a vote on the basis of substantive views and not on the basis of a speech by senator chuck schumer this. ultimately reveals the core dynamic ha has been driving this all throughout. chuck schumer's view, that republicans, it is their responsibility to do this, he shouldn't have to thank them for voting to avoid the default that republicans think that this is a difficult vote for them, and they have come to believed that this is linked to the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill where in reality it would be needed regardless. the two countries are talking past each other and this has turned out to be a very, very tense situation that's not likely to be easily resolved in december yet. >> i see the headlines now. just before christmas. as the government battles it out. it always feels like it's up against the gun with this stuff.
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always. thank you all for starting the day off with us. as always, we appreciate it. i want to bring in new jersey congresswoman to talk more about this. congresswoman, thanks for joining us on this. we really appreciate it. let's talk first -- >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. >> let's talk first about the debt limit, going to the house next week for a vote. any concerns this thing won't pass? >> no, this should pass the house. it's just ridiculous that the american people even have to be hearing about this quite frankly. this is a key feature of governing. and we've got to lift the debt limit and continue paying our bills as the united states of america. >> i was just talking to my colleague, about the reaction that senator schumer got on the floor yesterday after he made his speech. i want to play a little bit of what we heard from republicans, their reaction to senator schumer's speech. >> i thought it was totally out of line. >> why?
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>> well, i just thought it was incredibly partisan speech after we had just helped them solve the problem. >> there's a time to be graceful and there's time to be combative and that was a time for grace and looking for common ground. >> congresswoman, what did you think of the senator's speech yesterday, especially even when the senator acknowledged that he wanted this to be a bipartisan vote on the debt limit, come december. >> look, you know, what i'm hearing from people in new jersey isn't about the partisan battle of the debt limit. i think what i'm hearing is people need to govern. we need congress to govern. we need, i'm glad we passed it, it should never be in doubt we would keep our government open and never be in doubt that we would increase the debt limit to back up the full faith and credit of the united states and we have bigger fish to fry and we have a bipartisan bill to invest in the critical needs of new jersey, we have the reconciliation bill, again, critical need, and you know, you
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were talking about the jobs numbers, something that no one seems to be talking about, i didn't hear it from your panel, is how bad those jobs numbers were for women. we have seen again and again and again how bad our jobs numbers are for women and i have heard the same thing that your panelists kind of aalluded to in my district, employers can't find employees, and that ended in september but let's see, the child care hits that families are facing across this nation are going to make it hard for working parents to get back to work, an you know, we saw that in the bad april jobs numbers where women didn't make any gain, august, we saw men going back to work, seven to one, the rate of women, and my gosh, in these last jobs numbers, women actually lost 26,000 jobs in the market. we're estimating here in new jersey, we have, before the pandemic, child care has always been really rough on women, and i can tell you that, firsthand,
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but before the pandemic in new jersey, we probably had about two kids for every one spot in child care, and now those estimates are five kids for every one spot. so this is really a crisis levels. >> and let's talk about job creation especially hard infrastructure and the human infrastructure bill and i feel that is what you're alluding to, and you mentioned the 194,000 job creations this month, and not great, in comparison to what was being projected. what types of jobs can be created for women under this human infrastructure bill? >> i sort of, i have to say, these are all job skills and i sort have gotten frustrated that we have a jobs bill for men and a jobs bill for women, these are all jobs bills, we are providing, jobs in both pieces of legislation, we're getting the gateway tunnel, shovels in the ground as far as we pass this, and making sure that we get people back to work there. but it's not really just about who's digging out the tunnels,
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it's also about who is taking advantage of the better commute to get in and out of the city and all of the jobs available there. we're talking about the infrastructure bill that is going to create a clean power economy and going to be so many jobs there, as we move forward, on that, and we're talking about child care jobs, jobs in child care, that we're supporting, as we look it how we're going to get parents back to work, we've also got to look at who is going to work at those facilities, so there are jobs woven throughout both of these pieces of legislation, and to think that they're somehow, you know, wanted this kind of job, wanted that kind of job, so inter woven in our economy, and we are making investments now that are going to change the face of the american economy over the next ten years. making the investments now, that we're seeing made in china, and europe, and things like research and development, and clean power jobs, this is the future that we're planning right now, and that's why what we need to convey, and what i'm hearing from, in new jersey, is a sense
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of urgency. we need to now get to work, and pass this legislation. >> just quickly here, congresswoman, it seems like human infrastructure is now around 2 trillion, that's nonnegotiable for you? >> you know, when i look at it, there is a couple of things in that piece of legislation that we desperately need that is something is nonnegotiable is the state and local tax deduction cap, we have a huge affordability problem in new jersey and that is just another hit that unfair double taxation for our state, and then of course, child care, we are seeing this crisis, and these jobs numbers just painfully are laying it out month after month after month. you know, i can tell you, when we look at the lack of investment in women in the work force especially, in child care, we've seen the hits to our economy, we're probably behind by about $600 billion in our gdp if you look at, if we had kept pace with some of our allies, and now what we're focusing on, those kids have gotten much,
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much worse. >> it keeps coming. congresswoman, thanks for jumping on for us. thank you for that. coming up, a big show ahead, allies of former president trump blowing deadlines to respond to subpoenas from the january 6th committee, just when we learned how far the former president went to overturn the election being described as a murder suicide. so what can congress call actually do about it? and millions of parents waiting for a decision on a vaccine for kids, now that pfizer has taken a huge step. how soon could your child get a vaccine? that's coming up. r chil d get a vaccine? that's coming up but we also bundle outdoor vehicles with home and auto to help people save more! [ laughs ] ♪♪ [ humming ] [ door creaks ] oh. [ soft music playing ] what are you all doing in my daydream? it's better than that presentation. a lot better. you know, whether it's a fraction or a decimal, it's still fun, you know?
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we got a lot going on this morning. developing on capitol hill, first, the house committee investigating january 6th ramped up its probe, sending subpoenas to organizers from the pro-trump stop the steal rally coming as a group of former trump aides ignored their own request from the committee after former president trump told them to in fact do so. plus, an explosive new report has details about the pressure trump put on the justice department to overturn the election. we want to go to ali vitali on capitol hill, peter baker, "new york times" chief white house correspondent and the white house correspondent for pbs news hour, and moderator of washington week tonight on pbs. ali, i want to start with you. it is no surprise that they
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ignored the request. what is the committee going to do about it? >> not surprising, yasmin that he is telling his allies to ignore the request and not surprising that this thing looks like it will probably end up in the courts. we will hear more from the committee on this later. i am told to expect something later today. in the meantime when we get into the political weeds of there is when the political timetables get on a collision course with what the committee is trying to do because what committee members have said in the past is in the instances that these trump witnesses don't comply with the subpoenas, they're going to then look to the department of justice for a little bit of backup here. that probably comes in the form of a criminal complaint referrals which basically means because congress can prosecute, because congress can subpoena, they cannot prosecute, so they need the d.o.j.'s help here, in actually getting these people to comply. the thing is, that takes time and we know the trump team wants this to end up in court for their own reasons. they want to have a battle right now about what can be reserved for presidents and what can
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actually come later once a president leaves the white house. they would like to have that battle about executive privilege. all of this thing comes down to the fact that once you put things in the court though, they take a lot of time to get there. you remember with don mcgahn, it took congress two years to finally hear from the former white house counsel because things got so bogged down in the courts. and the reason that comes up against a political time line is because the 2022 midterms, although they seem far away are not actually that far away, if this legal battle takes as long as we think that it could, it is why we've seen the committee move straight to subpoenas, because they want to start this legal process, as early as they possibly can, because if 2022 comes and republicans retake the house, then the work of this committee could really just go out the window. >> the justice department reporter, peter, i want to go to you, the trump spokesperson saying we will claim executive privilege and does the former president have any legs to stand
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on? >> i'm not a lawyer but i think actually not being in office weakens the claim, president biden and the justice department not backing them up, that traditionally a sitting president would defend the principle of executive privilege for a former president and they thought a claim to be made and the biden administration is not standing on the side of the trump team here and one of the people subpoenaed is steve bannon not working for the president of of the united states, he was not a federal official at the time of the events we're talking about, and i have never seen executive privilege applied to somebody who actually wasn't an aid to the president at the time, so it is hard to see how that legal, you know, argument gets made. you know, there have been plenty of instances where the executive privilege has been overcome by the need for information, we've seen plenty of precedent for that. so i think they have a tough legal row, but it can be dragged out. the difference is the justice department is on the side of
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congress this time as opposed to during the trump administration when the justice department didn't of course help congress to force the trump administration officials to testify. that's a big, big difference. we'll see how much leverage that gets them, the speed is of course, is the big issue here whether they can get this done in expeditious time but the legal claims i think are uphill for the trump team. >> let's talk about the senate report. nine times, the former president tried to urge the department of justice to overturn the results of the election, we also know he tried to replace the acting a. g. to get this done. how close were we to a constitutional crisis? >> senator durbin said yesterday that he feels we were a hair's breath away. if you read the report, it's stunning to see how much information the committee was able to gather to back up that kind of claim. you have nearly every email, every communication, and three
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very, very full on the record accounts from the top of the justice department, the acting attorney general, the acting deputy attorney general, and the former u.s. attorney down in atlanta. one of the things you mentioned, nine times, that the president reached out, directly to the justice department, keep in mind that that kind of outreach not only violates white house policy and violates justice department policy, those policies are in place for good reason. the president and the white house should not be politicizing investigations, even investigations of something like an election. so not only was this entirely unorlgt dox, it was explicitly done in the words of president trump, per these officials to overturn the election, and you saw in their testimony, the former deputy attorney general and the attorney general saying they were locked, with the president, we know you're not going to do anything to overturn the election acting attorney general jeff rossen so what will we do about that so it is clear he was not only soliciting legal
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advice but weighing whether he could place someone at the legal department to overturn the valid result of the election. >> and then you have someone continuing to lie. i got to play this. >> do you accept the election was won by joe biden -- >> that is not what the audit concluded, mr. raskin, you know better than that. >> mr. biggs, i'm happy to yield to you, who won the election in arizona, donald trump -- >> we don't know, as the audit demonstrates very clearly, mr. raskin, there are a lot of issues with this election that took place. >> it seems to me, especially from this report, the only reason, right, the election results from 2020 were maintained was based on the few people who had integrity, right? the few government officials who had integrity. so that is the question. in 2024, are we prepared for what is to come, when you have folks like congressman biggs continuing to lie about the results of the election?
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>> it's a great question, and it's a quet that we really don't know the answer to, because what we're seeing in the states is republicans trying to change the way that americans vote, in order to have a more trumpian view of what the election system should be. they're installing different political leaders and partisan people, and what you see here, is a sort of wholesale retelling of the 2020 election, and mr. biggs there, representative biggs, he knows he is lying, that's the only word to describe someone who says we don't know who won the arizona election. we have to go back to the idea that one of the first things that president trump did, one of the first times where he really realized that this election, the 2020 election had been lost, was when fox news called arizona, he was trying to get that re-done and he was trying to get fox news to pull pa that back and they wouldn't. and of course, fox news had all sorts of issues, look, the election desk, showed very clearly, he won in, in president biden, he won arizona, so here
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you have republicans really chasing this idea, this view, that president trump continues to share and continues to spread all over the country because they're worried because he is going to run in 2024 and they want to sort of have the political cover for president trump. so what you have here really is a political party that is struggling at best to try to figure out how to continue this lie about the election. while also sort of saying that the american system is still fully functional. and i think you know, you touch on something, which is there is so little people who had integrity, that kept the election in 2020, from going on, but remember, mike pence had to call dan quayle, because he wanted to try to give president trump what he wanted, and he couldn't, and as a result, he had to certify the election, there are a lot of people who wanted to give former president trump what he wanted and simply figured they could not. >> ali vitali, all, thank you, we appreciate it. and abortion rights activists get a win for now, as a federal judge freezes that
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the road. joining me now, amy hagstrom miller, president and ceo of whole woman's health whose clinic started performing abortions again yesterday. thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> absolutely. i talked a little bit about leading up to the legal implications here for your clinic and resuming abortion services as of yesterday. i know you're aware of those legal expectations but you're willing to take a chance anyway. why? >> so we've had to turn hundreds of people away over the last five weeks. people who are seeking abortion care because it's the best decision for their health, for their families, for their work life, for their education, for their dreams and their future, and it's heart-breaking to look people in the eyes and deny them the health care that they need. we got an injunction and it was a very strong injunction, from judge pittman, and some of our staff and some of our doctors feel confident to proceed with
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care during this injunction. others have opted out, and we respect that. this is a scary time. this law puts forward a lot of scary implications for clinic staff, and for our physicians, and so we do have some that feel comfortable enough to resume care and others that are going to wait and see what happens here. >> i want you to talk to us a little bit more for us, amy about how this time has been for you and i want to read a quote about a woman who visited one of your clinics the day before the law that was put into effect in texas. the young woman arrived at her first appointment to the clinic on august 31st, she was a drug user and set to begin serving a five-year prison sentence in a week. she already had three children at lome. she didn't want to deliver a baby in jail. she dropped to her knees, on the cold tile floor in front of director marva sadler, begging her to take her, to perform the
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abortion. what has the last five or so weeks been like for your clinic and clinics around the state? >> right, it's just heart-breaking that people have to turn to that kind of begging. we are so supportive of people needing an abortion for any reason, and people shouldn't be put in a position to beg and to lose their dignity and to be put in this kind of position where the health care is on the line where their health and future is on the line and it also puts our staff in these horrible situations, because this staff has dedicated their lives to this work, they're highly trained medical professionals, who one day are able to help the people who need them, and the next day, they have to turn them away, all because of politics. so it has been a very difficult time. and i mean turning away young people, turning away people who are parenting, which is the majority actually of our patients, turning away people who can't have the means to travel out of state, to get time off work and child care in order
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to cross the country in order to have an abortion. texas has really let down a lot of people during this time period. >> amy hagstrom miller, stay in touch with you. we would like to hear from you as this process plays out. that's for hur. >> thank you. coming up, the wait could be almost over for parents who are waiting to see if the pfizer vaccine will be approved for kids five through 11. i've been waiting. how soon could your child get the shot and how it is different than the one given to adults? wreerkz. th an the one given to adults wreerkz. extra hot sauce. tonight, i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. (doorbell rings) jolly good. fire. (horse neighing) elton: nas? yeah? spare a pound? what? you know, bones, shillings, lolly? lolly? bangers and mash? i'm... i'm sorry? i don't have any money. you don't look broke. elton: my rocket is skint!
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its vaccine for adolescents. gabe guiterrez is live here in new york city for us, and dr. ben gupta, a pull nonology and global health policy expert. we are talking about how covid is impacting young children. talk us through that. >> hey there, good morning. this is something that millions of parents will be watching really across the country in the coming weeking for the meeting scheduled for the fda advisory panel to discuss this and i want to throw up some statistics on the screen. according to a recent survey, 32% of parents of 5 to 11-year-olds said they will take a wait and see approach to, before vaccinating their children. also, there is new research out, published in the journal of, the medical journal pediatrics this week that says 130,000 children have lost a primary caregiver here and there is a racial disparity here, 65% are minorities and in terms of the wide-ranging impact on kids,
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according to the american academy of pediatrics, 850 new covid cases just in september, among children. and that is one in four, with infections nationwide. so there has been a lot of talk, about, you know, perhaps children, you know, don't feel the effects of covid quite as much as obviously older americans, or immuno-compromised americans, but clearly this pandemic having a wide-ranging impact on children right now and many people feel that the ability to vaccinate those children five to 11 years old might be a major missing piece. and ending this pandemic. but as you mentioned, october 26th, and an fda advisory panel meeting to discuss that very issue, yes. >> let's talk through some of those numbers, right, pretty startling to say the least, 28 million kids could actually be impacted when the pfizer vaccine goes through. how can this change the game when it comes to this pandemic. >> well, yes, to just fill in
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what gabe said up to 4% of all covid hospitalizations are kids, and when we think of the likelihood of all of those parents who are worried about the risk/benefit of getting vaccinated, gabe said 32% of all parents would take a wait and see, the risk of mild myocarditis, something that a lot of parents are hearing a lot about, .0001%, a and even when it happens exception nally rare, it is very mild and risk/benefit very clear in favor of getting your children vaccinated. wait and see, all you're doing is putting your kids at additional risk of getting infected. >> you brought up myocarditis and i want to mention what f-they don't already have what "the new york times" is saying, it is a rare side effect that occurs mostly after the second dose. if you are a parent in that category, concerned about getting a vaccine for your child, or wanting to take the
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wait and see approach, dr. gupta, what do you say to those parents? >> well, first of all, i would say that it's mild myocarditis, it is mild inflammation of the heart. in those cases, or virtually in all of those cases they resolve without any medical intervention, kiddos went home and by kiddos, 16 to 29 years of age, adolescents and young adults in general. and tend to be male. so this didn't happen in young kids first and foremost and i would say for that 16 to 29 year age group, some countries are deploying a one dose strategy. and this is something that the fda will have to wrestle with, for that specific demographic. >> let's talk about the dosage here and the number of shots, dr. gupta, right, how different will the dosage be, for children five to 11 and will they also be getting two shots when it comes to pfizer and moderna? >> indeed they will, and what we know is that pfizer has sought fda approval for a vaccine dose
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that's one-third the dose that we give to adults, but it's still going to be two shots for that group, less than 12 years of age. that regimen, very well studied, as safe, and in children less than 12 years of age, and yet equally effective at keeping children, even if it's rare out of the hospital. >> my kiddo is turning five on thursday. i've never been more excited for a birthday in my life. little does he know he will be getting the shot. that said dr. gupta, would you give your child the vaccine? >> absolutely. my child's going to be five in may, and i would say that in addition to guarding against the 4% risk in some states of ending up in the hospital, so that's quite high, these vaccines are safe in children. and any of these really rare side effects are exactly that, they're rare, and also a secondarily, i would say that a child spends a lot of time with his grandparents and we know
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grand parents are vulnerable, we know that children less than 12 years of age can transmit this virus to adults in some cases more easily than older adolescent, for a variety of reason, for their own safety, for the safety of the family, absolutely get your children vaccinated. >> coming up, everybody, markets have been volatile all week after the facebook bombshells and debt ceiling stalemate, so how are they reacting to the lower than expected jobs report? that's coming up next. wealth is saving a little extra. worth is knowing it's never too late to start - or too early. ♪ ♪ wealth helps you retire. worth is knowing why. ♪ ♪ principal. for all it's worth. ♪ upbeat, catchy music ♪ >> tech: i am safelite. >> tech: i am safelite. are you?
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welcome back, everybody. the markets opened moments ago with the dow basically flat after a big week on wall street. we just told you the economy added a much lower than expected 194,000 jobs in september, with the unemployment rate below 5%. and investors can breathe a sigh of relief for now, of course, after the senate voted to raise the debt limit and avoid a default. want to go to cnbc's christina partsanefls for more on this. i guess the more question is, what's really driving markets this morning or not driving them, i should say. is it the debt limit vote or is it the lack of jobs added? >> i think you said, we could breathe a sigh of relief for the debt limit being lifted, but really, we're just pushing that problem all the way to december, so markets have priced that in. yes, they've climbed higher. the major focus in general is this lack of labor. lack of people joining the labor force. and this is what's going to weigh negatively for companies
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going forward. why? you have people maybe retiring early or choosing to stay home to take care of their children. we know a lot of women have left the labor force. and if companies aren't finding people, that means they cannot provide you with the goods and service they're supposed to make. there are warnings of maybe supply shortages going forward. even on my car ride to work early this morning, i heard an ad on the radio for amazon offering a $3,000 signing bonus. so these are just various incentivs that companies are really trying to get people back into the labor force and this jobs report that we're seeing right now shows that we're still not there. there's still a slowdown and companies are looking for people to hire. >> kristina, real quick here, what does this say about our overall economic recovery when you have a disappointing jobs report like the one we had. >> it depends if you're asking a bull or a bear, do you think the markets will go up or down? overall, i think there are major concerns going forward. supply chain issues. a lot of people have talked about this in their earnings report, which is why they're warning to start your christmas and holiday shopping early.
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the second major issue is employees, which we talked about. and so they're increasing wages to keep employees. and if they increase wages, that eats at their margins. they make less money. so companies could go forward and push up prices. now, if they push up prices, that means inflation for all of us. i think moody's analytics recently just said on average, if you're makinging about $70,000 a household annual income, you're paying at least $175 more extra a month because of inflation. so those are three major concerns going forward for markets. >> i've got to say, early holiday shopping gives me so much anxiety. >> i didn't want to bring it up, nobody wants to start thinking about it. but they're warning us, and black friday, too, there could be some issues getting your favorite toys, et cetera. >> kristina, thank you. great to see you. this is a big story. 18 former nba players now accused of trying to defraud their own health care system. it's incredible. you don't want to miss it. coming up next. tom winter joining me. it. coming up next tom winter joining me.
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nba world champions. and now they're wrapped up in this scheme that was not terribly thought out. if you're going to submit fake invoices for medical procedures, maybe find a way to put it on letterhead or use proper grammar or not have two or three submit for the same procedure, in this case, a root canal on the same day for the same teeth. it's not mathematically possible that that's the case. or in another particular instance, not say that you had a medical procedure that was being performed on you in the united states, on the zam you're playing basketball in taiwan. a bit of a problem to try to reconcile those two. and the nba's health and wellness program, according to the indictment, they went back to the players and some of the players paid them back for some of the money that they received. so it's not as if there wasn't some culpability that was already known here by the players. they were kind of caught with their hand in the cookie jar in numerous instances, according to these charges documents. >> how much money was at stake and how long did it take them to figure out? >> the scheme started in november of 2017, and by 2019,
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it appears that they were on to them. all told, about $4 million was attempted to be received from the nba's health and wellness program and about $2.5 million of that eventually was paid out and kept by the players. >> wow. tom winter, thank you, as always. great to see you, my friend. on set. that wraps up this hour for me, everybody. i'm jasmine vassoughian in for steph raul. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. and just this morning, brand-new jobs numbers reveal an economy still struggling to recover in the midst of the pandemic. in the next hour, president joe biden will deliver remarks on the state of the u.s. economy. all of this as lawmakers successfully prevented the u.s. government from defaulting on its debt, for now. not all republicans are happy with how senate majority leader mitch mcconnell handled the situation. more on with a live report from capitol hill. meanwhile, on the pandemic, officials with the
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