plus, what one local elections official called the biggest threat to democracy in his lifetime and where that threat is spreading next. why one former facebook investor is optimistic that change may finally be forced on the company he called a threat to democracy. fixes facebook won't be enough. and the texas abortion ban overturned and reinstated. we get the latest from the legal team representing the clinic at the center of the lawsuit. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it is saturday, october 9th. i'm in for ali velshi. nearly eight months ago to the day, today, the country witnessed with our eyes as a violent mob attacked our capitol waving the flags of the failed ex-president. now congress attempts to uncover the how and why of the deadly attack and that attempt may be headed toward an epic legal

showdown with the former and current occupants of the white house. president biden delivered a blow to the trump camp yesterday by blocking the ex-president's attempt to withhold the documents related to the january 6th attack from congress. to turnover a batch of documents covering trump's actions before and during the deadly riot. the committee is seeking twitter messages and phones and videos of the ex-president participated in. they are running into a road block which is the deadline for former officials to comply with the select committee and some of them are cooperating with the subpoenas, but some are not. shocking. former trump strategist steve bannon and mark meadows and dan scavino and kash patel had until

this past thursday to hand over documents related to the january 6th probe. the subpoenas call for them to sit for a deposition. and the congress member bennie thompson and liliz chaney said will not allow a witness to attempt to run out the clock and consider advancing a criminal contempt of congress referral. we will soon how bannon's defense holds up. bannon's resistance doesn't exactly make him look innocent. >> if he was innocent, he would cooperate. the reason he is not cooperating is because he doesn't have a

reasonable explanation for his conduct that day. >> to be clear, despite the merry band of crooks over the subpoenas, the new justice department said it will enforce the rule of law. let's see. if any of the trump people are found in contempt, they could face fines or a year behind bars. his loyalty to a twice impeached ex-president worth that sacrifice? joining me now is a pulitzer prize winner and author of "zero fail" and "a very stable genius." carol, good morning. bannon's lawyers say he is refusing to comply with the house select committee subpoena because trump told him not to and claiming executive

privilege. why might that defense not hold up and what is the plan to get him to cooperate? >> there are so many ways which this is vulnerable shield for mr. bannon. so many reasons why legally it can fail. first off, the former president donald trump is not the current president. the current president is viewed as having the best position with which to judge national security and other privileged issues that are important in an executive privilege claim. essentially, joe biden's decision is more powerful and valuable than trump's view of the executive privilege of the information. the other major problem is steve bannon wasn't a senior adviser in the white house to the president during the period that we're talking about. >> he wasn't. >> you could say dan scavino was or mark meadows was.

steve bannon is not. the other reason this is a problem is what exactly are they asking bannon about? what are they asking mr. meadows and mr. scavino about? they are asking about what they witnessed and heard on the days leading up to it. those are not the issues of the president's official actions. these are moments before an insurrection. a storming of our capitol and attack on democracy. that is a big issue. you know, what is really important here is that bannon is following the former president's lead. he is using the president's former president's shield to delay the committee and whatever happens to him and whatever action or punishment is taken by the committee, meadows, scavino and patel can expect to feel the same. >> so, we know, carol, president

biden is not going to invoke executive privilege. we know the 1/6 committee chairman is talking about holding the trump people in criminal contempt. are you sensing a tougher stance from the democratic party? what do you hear from the select committee and people around the white house? >> the select committee wants answers and they don't want to wait and they will not sit for what they view as a stall tactic. of course, it could take weeks or months for some of this to be battled out in court. the threat of criminal contempt is real and it is a very, very painful potential sword they can use. a very painful tool in the tool kit for the democratic party. remember, though, too, the democratic leadership has seen this play before because when

president trump was the president, executive privilege was what he used at all turns to try to block congress from learning anybody about what he did. for example, in the lead-up to his impeachment trial, he tried to argue very broadly and ultimately erroneously that executive privilege covered all government employees and none could testify about his call with the ukrainian president. this is the call which he asked a foreign power to investigate his political rival joe biden and his son hunter. it was made clear quickly that under the law executive privilege did not cover that. democrats are pretty wise now to the former president's abuse of the claim of executive privilege. i don't think we can call it anything else but abuse. in this instance, it seems

stretched and very thin. >> i mean, if democrats are wise to that, better late than never. carol, thank you for your reporting. i appreciate it. elsewhere on capitol hill, infrastructure negotiations are ongoing. president biden and democrats are maintaining the social safety net package, the huge bill, must be negotiated before the bipartisan infrastructure bill can be passed to the frustration of the smaller group's party moderates who want to pass the bill on its own. joining me now is representative susan wild. congresswoman, good morning. you say you had a productive talk about president biden this week about the path toward passing both bills in tandem. what programs are you prioritizing and what are the sticking points when it comes to

what stays in the reconciliation plan and what is out? >> good morning. a small group of us spoke with the president this week. my particular priority as most people know is medicare negotiation of prescription drug prices. for those who don't know, that is a big part of the pay for. it would result in a huge savings for taxpayers and fund a lot of excellent programs contained in the bills. not to mention the fact we have to get the roads and bridges and drainage systems fixed and get started on those. in the other infrastructure bill, i'm particularly excited about the big investment in early childhood education. something the country has never seen. a lot of references to fdr and so forth. keep in mind with the new deal and it was passed, we were not

thinking about child care or child education. most of us were single parent households. to get our economy fully rebooted and we have to get women back to work and one of the best ways to do that and also to do really great things for kids is early childhood education. >> congresswoman, to clarify for viewers, there are lots of camps in your party now. where do you stand of this moment of both bills passing together? >> i don't think there is any choice at this point. i would have liked to see the original bipartisan infrastructure bill voted on. that day has come and gone. i'm completely on board with passing these two together. they are linked. the president came in and spoke to the caucus and i did a very

good job of settling everybody down and saying, you know, the process matters. listening to all of the legislators are priorities really matters. it calmed -- we never should have put an artificial deadline on one when bill was passed one way or the other. >> the artificial deadline came from pressure from someone on your party. the krysten sinemas of the world. you value medicare negotiates on drug prices. something that krysten sinema told the oval office she is against. new york times said krysten sinema wants to cut $100 billion from the build back better funding for climate change action. she is described as a moderate senator. i want to ask you, congresswoman, what is moderate about letting the planet burn and opposing the minimum action about fighting climate change?

i didn't get it. >> there is nothing moderate. we have had this discussion before about labels. labels don't work frankly within the democratic caucus. i also thought of myself as moderate. i fully believe we've got to repair the effects of climate change and do everything question to prevent any further damage to the planet. medicare negotiation of drug prices. senator sinema is not in the right party if she doesn't think that is a good thing. by the way, everybody should be in favor of that. honestly, it is to the benefit of the american taxpayer. it is ridiculous we don't negotiate prescription drug prices or medicare doesn't. >> to be fair, joe manchin, the other holdout, is clear he supports you on that and supports the provision in the bill on medicare negotiations. we are against artificial dead license plates. -- deadlines on. that midterms are upon us soon.

>> the artificial deadline has come and gone. we are at the point we are working to get this done as soon as possible. i don't want to create another artificial deadline, but it is reasonable to have this done before thanksgiving. that's my new deadline in my head and i hope we meet it. i don't see any reason we wouldn't. i cannot speak for the senate, obviously. i'm very concerned about what is happening over there and silence followed by what i consider to be unreasonable positions by senator sinema. i'm hopeful there will be movement over there and we will get this through. i think we are seeing the house come together more than ever before the democratic caucus, anyway. we all have such strong priorities. we recognize the bill will have

to come down with the costs. climate change is -- go ahead. >> it is a fair point. we in the media report as a democratic party split. last time i checked, nine house members and two senators. susan wild, i appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you so much. good to be with you. we will continue this converation at the top of the hour with congress member chu choo. i'll ask about the bill about bolstering human reproductive rights. and the arizona cyber ninjas from the dirty work in other states. we'll dive in there. straight ahead, a major strike with a big impact on your morning routine. what you need to know next on "velshi." don't go away. "velshi. don't go away.

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the sham election audit in arizona made its way to capitol hill for a committee hearing of

the cyber ninjas, the private group to run the illegitimate audit were never trying to get concrete facts. the goal was to stir up unfounded doubt. the vice chairman of the maricopa county to stir up the election results was the biggest threat in the democracy in his lifetime. now the question is can lawmakers stop the moving train that is the lie from stopping other states to hold fake doubt sowing audits? joining me now is grant ward, the former attorney general from the state of arizona and wendy wise from the center of justice. grant, let me start with you. doug logan refused to show up for the hearing. is there any reason he gave for

this? >> he needed to show up. the republicans have an interesting idea of what subpoenas are all about. you get subpoenaed, you know up. if they want documents, you give them to them. if you don't do that, you are found in criminal contempt. he had nothing to say. i will point out that the people who did testify from maricopa county were all republicans. those were some of the few republicans around who had the courage to stand up and tell the truth. that the elections were fair here and joe biden won arizona. they have done that from day one. they are to be commended for that. they are now under attack from the trumpers here. >> they are republicans and they stood up for the truth on this issue. meanwhile, other republicans are dodging subpoenas. the party of law and order. wendy, lawmakers on the gop side tried to use the platform to

talk about the fraudit, if we call it that. is there anything we can do? republicans were on a mission. they had the money to pull off this stunt. they did. it will be replicated in other states. >> absolutely. this is an incredibly dangerous development that is inspiring similar activities across the country. the damage is far beyond casting doubt on the legitimacy of the 2020 election. in addition to stoking disinformation about voter fraud. something debunked year after year. it is to suppress votes and roll back voting rights and finding more radical efforts to sabotage partisans to overturn election results. it is leveraged to fuel attacks on elected officials and election workers across the country. this is something that

absolutely needs to be reined in. it is dangerous to our democracy. >> grant, what is your advice to democrats in red states that are considering a so-called ballot audit or ballot review? >> we need to realize what this is all about. it has nothing to do with trying to get at the truth. that's not what it was about in arizona. we counted the ballots 100 times in arizona. even these knuckle heads. cyber ninjas came out with the same results. that is not what it is about. it is about sowing doubt on the electoral process so we can justify going in and passing voter suppression measures. because at the end of the day, that's the only way the republicans prevail in the short-term. in the long term, i think they're cooked because they are wrong on so many issues. you can't win on a platform of hate and divisiveness in the

country. in the short-term, they could prevail if they suppress the votes in the key states. that's why they are calling for audits in texas and florida. why? because they want to have those voter suppression bills in every state. texas will go blue. i don't know if it is sooner or later. they want it to be later. that is what is going on here. you have to fight it. you can't just push it aside and act like it is no big deal. it is a fundamental threat to democracy. congress needs to step in and they need to pass the joe manchin compromise measure here which is very, very good. >> wendy, grant mentions congress. is that joe manchin compromise measure, the new voting rights legislation before the people failed in the senate? without that bill, you can have

texas which is now passing senate bill 47, election audit bill, they are fast tracking that to do the same fraudit. the same state that donald trump won. how do you stop this if federal legislation doesn't get passed? >> legislation is critical to stopping this. that is absolutely necessary. as senator manchin said inaction is not an option. we are seeing the results across the country. it is barrelling forward without breaks absent federal legislation. it is true that there aren't ten republicans that have signed to the legislation. it does have 50 democrats. it is a top priority. there are ways to actually move this through congress to get this over the hurdle given the state of the crisis we're in with just minor adjustments to how the filibuster works.

>> last quick one to you, grant. as a democrat, how disappointed are you with your fellow democrats in congress? eight or nine months into the administration and nowhere near to a bill passing? >> well, you know, it's a tough crowd there. i think i give the president great credit for his agenda. really across the board. i think he has done a tremendous job. people are like, he is no lbj. lbj had a lot more votes to deal with than president biden has. we got 50. you have one guy who is conservative out of west virginia for a democrat. i say thank god joe manchin's there. i know the guy he ran against. i tell you how many times i agree with him. zero. krysten sinema. she's an enigma. i don't know why she is behaving as she is behaving. she beat martha mcsally.

she is a 100% trumper. i'm not disappointed until it is over. i don't think it will be over until we pass this. democrats have to realize stop with the blind allegiance to the filibuster. founding fathers rejected the filibuster for a reason. there is no reason for it right now. you think the republicans are not going to run through it if they do takeover? no. let's get rid of it and figure out how to pass basic voting legislation. >> stop with the blind allegiance to the filibuster. i love that line. i hope the senator from your state is listening when you say that. grant woods and wendy weiser, thank you for your time. up next, the drastic effects of the climate crisis at the

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>> reporter: 500 gone forever. this 11,000 year old avalanche of ice shrinking. in the past ten years, the alps internal ice has been washed away. these 150-year-old hotels were built what was then the foot of the glacier. now the area is reachable on steep winding alpine roads. today, scientists leads the team who monitor the retreat almost a mile in 120 years. >> this was about 2005. the glacier filled up the region. >> the water here is where this glacier was. >> yes, exactly. >> reporter: he saw the glacier. you can see it with your own eyes and lifetime? >> exactly. you can see it. it is much more obvious than

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17-year-olds. joining me now is the founding director of the boston center of infectious diseases and medical contributor. doctor, good morning. infection numbers are down and daily deaths are high. are we turning a corner with covid-19? that is a question i asked a dozen times before. >> i think you asked me that in the spring and my answer was the same. things may be better, but it depends on unknowns such as the variant that may reduce the efficacy. cases are down and deaths are a lagging indicator. the two things are the horizon which is a challenge is we still have significant number of people not vaccinated or getting into the holiday seasons and the weather getting colder and could there be areas where the vaccine rates are not high and haven't

been prior infections and may provide some partial protection against a surge as well. >> so, about 28 million younger kids would be eligible for a vaccine once it is approved. how quickly do we think it could be approved? a meeting at the end of the month of the advisory committee at the fda. what impact could that have on the overall pandemic? >> you mentioned the group makes up 28 million americans and kids can get infected and transmit. they may not get sick at the same rate as adults, but they do get sick. they make up part of the path to achieving that population level immunity. the october 26th is the advisory committee and the fda committee a week later will see who and how the eligibility works.

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mumps and ruebella vaccine. we live in a very political world. you are likely to see some states potentially have the requirements where others may struggle as you mentioned which is really tough because, listen, children in many cases make up a multigenerational household. it is for their protection and the adults around them and when they go home, if there are people out who are immune know come proper pleased, then they will choose to do this not just for the children, but the family. >> one last quick question. the first ever malaria vaccine approved by the w.h.o. not perfect, but could have a significant impact. malaria kills 500,000 people

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another student was grazed by a bullet. it's worth noting that news like this feels routine in this country, but this is still not normal. this is how many mass shootings we've had in america this year. tennessee, san jose, california, indianapolis, rock hills, south carolina, orange, california, boulder atlanta and evanston, illinois. it's also worth considering in the context of this epidemic of gun violence what states like texas are doing about it. texas republicans passed a law that went into effect just last month making it legal, legal for anyone over 21 to carry a handgun without a license, training or background check. madness. joining me now is chris brown, she's the president of brady united against gun violence. to be clear, the teenager accused of the school shooting is under 21 years old and not legally allowed to carry that handgun in texas or anywhere

else. texas officials are investigating to know where he got it and if an adult helped him. in a state like texas where the law makes it so easy to get a gun, it is not hard for a teenager to get their hands on a gun, as well. >> that's exactly right, and your lead-in is shocking and causes more americans to act. texas has gone in the exact wrong direction. they just passed a law signed by governor abbott, as you noted, a month ago and up ended the state's entire permitting system and says that anyone can carry a gun at any time without a permit and the people who opposed that the most were law enforcement in texas. 75% of school shooters get a gun from home. it's not too far of a stretch when we know the age range of these young people where they're getting it. it's guns typically from a relative that are not safely stored. so the texas rule of overturning

the permitting system, yes, it's hugely dangerous and it shifts the risk away from generalized, it makes it a more generalized risk because these are guns also in public places and the texas law says that hotels can't stop people from bringing ars into the hotel. it's madness. >> it is madness and i say this as an imgrant and someone who moved here from the uk six years ago. it seems mad to me that you can walk around in parts of america, in some of the biggest states in america with a gun, with a rifle, with a long gun in public. as you say, hotels, restaurants and what message is that supposed to send to your fellow diner, your fellow commuter, your fellow colleague and your fellow american on the street, children in public. it's bizarre to me. how do the texan lawmakers justify this reckless new law? >> with a really extreme notion

of the second amendment that puts every other right in american life including the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness at risk. their version of the second amendment, sadly is that everyone, all of us should be carrying a gun everywhere all the time and that's not the kind of environment or world that allows us to have america's safest place as the national rifle association says. it's a scary place and that's why in arlington, virginia, the same day as in arlington, texas, where that shooting occurred my own daughter had a lockdown drill. she was out of school for the entire day. they canceled it because of an active shooter threat got called in. this leaves ptsd for all of us exposed to this every day. >> yes, it does. >> we do deserve better. >> you tweeted yesterday that the filibuster has become a major contribution to the gun

violence crisis. explain to our viewers why that is and what is the filibuster stopping right now. >> you know, you can't find many things in american life where there is greater unanimity where they expand brady background checks and they've been around for over 25 years and we need to expand those. the house of representatives passed that bill. it's sitting in the senate because a simple majority isn't enough to get anything done in the united states senate. the filibuster requires 60 votes and for all of these measures that are broadly supported by american life, they're stuck right now in the senate because of an arcane rule that needs to end and that's the filibuster. >> yes, it does. well said. kris brown, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thank you. don't go anywhere at home, we are just getting started here this saturday morning. straight ahead, representative judy chu joins the show and she'll be talking -- so much to talk about the latest on the

january 6th investigation and another hour of velshi starts right now. good morning. it's 9:00 a.m. in the east. i'm eddie hassan in for ali velshi this saturday morning. we have big developments on the january 6th investigation today. a major legal showdown could be brewing between the ex-president and the current one. while donald trump's legal team is attempting to assert so-called executive privilege to shield key documents from the january 6th select committee president biden has now formally declined that request. the white house is authorizing the national archives to turn over a batch of documents covering up trump's actions and communications before and during that deadly riot. the request from the house select committee is seeking everything from twitter messages and donald trump and his accolades have a lot of those, phone and visitor logs to photos

and video of events that the ex-president participated in tp it comes as the january 6th committee threatens to hand out criminal contempt referrals to those who refuse to comply with their subpoenas. steve bannon, mark meadows, former social media director for trump, dan scavino and kash patel had until this past thursday to hand over documents related to january the 6th. the subpoenas also called for them to sit for a deposition next week. in a statement issued yesterday committee chair, democratic congressman benny thompson and vice chair republican congresswoman liz cheney said in part, while mr. meadows and mr. patel are so far, engaging with the select committee, mr. bannon has indicated he will try to hide behind vague rernses to privileges of the former president. they add, quote, we will not allow any witnesses to defy a lawful subpoena or attempt to run out the clock and we will swiftly consider advan