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a very good day to all of from msnbc world headquarters. welcome to "alex witt reports." the near total ban on abortions in texas has been temporarily reinstated following a federal appeals court ruling late last night. the department of justice had until tuesday to apply to the ruling as a legal showdown is taking shape. earlier today, former texas state senator wendy davis warning the impact this decision could have nationwide.

>> it's going to have a ripple effect across our state and across the country when other states begin to copycat this law, if it's allowed to continue to be in place. meanwhile, a new warning to democrats from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell a day after allowing a short-term increase in the debt ceiling, mcconnell is telling the president he will not do so again come december. despite that threat, democratic senator ben cardin told me he is confident they will get this taken care of. >> we have to raise his cost because of the trump administration and we didn't get a single republican to join us. they allowed us to vote on a short-term extension that we passed with only democratic votes. so, this is outrageous, that they will not allow us, the democrats, to do the responsible thing. we're going to make sure we don't default on our debt, and we're not going to be using budget reconciliation because that process is likely to lead to failure

also, donald trump is gearing up for a rally at the iowa state fairgrounds tonight. the event in the first in the nation caucus state fueling new speculation over whether trump will run for president again. and brand-new reaction today to the texas redistricting plan amid a rather -- aiming to increase republican territory. the new plan approved yesterday by the state senate breaks up communities of black and hispanic voters and in one part of houston, puts two house democrats in the same district, potentially forcing them to compete for one seat. one of those lawmakers, congresswoman sheila jackson lee joined me last hour and said, this has national implications. >> to see this district that had been together for 50 years, demolished by this state senate, insensitive in putting my dear friend, congressman al green and myself in the same district. it is extremely shortsighted. it is unconstitutional. it violates the voting rights act, and frankly, i'm asking -- i'm making an inquiry as to why.

we're going to begin with a major blow for donald trump. the white house rejecting his request to keep documents related to his activities on january 6th out of the committee's hands. let's go to nbc's julia sirken. >> reporter: the committee investigating the january 6th insurrection subpoenaed four individuals last month. two of them, they say, are engaging with the committee. former president trump's inner circle, mark meadows and kash patel, one of them, dan scavino, who reports say they were able to locate today and serve a subpoena. the committee say they don't commit on subpoena servers but they don't deny that that took place today. now, moving forward, you mentioned there at the top that former president trump was blocked by president biden essentially in his executive privilege request to prevent the

committee from obtaining a trove of documents from the national archive related to what the former president knew, did, and said on january 6th as their investigation moves forward here. we also have the white house speaking out about that yesterday. take a listen to that. >> this will be an ongoing process and this is just the first set of documents and we will evaluate questions of privilege on a case-by-case basis but the president has also been clear that he believes it to be of the utmost importance for congress and the american people to have a complete understanding of the events of that day to prevent them from happening again. >> reporter: so, jen psaki there, the white house press secretary, she's making it clear, as she has before, that president biden will not stand in the way of that congressional investigation into january 6th and into what his predecessor knew and when. i should also note that steve bannon, the fourth person who was subpoenaed by the committee, his lawyers say he will defy, for now, their subpoena and what

can come to him? well, the congressional committee says they may do a criminal referral on bannon, which could lead to jail time if that happens and it will also prolong the investigation, tied up in courts. alex? >> okay, julie tsirkin, thank you so much. we welcome olivia troye, former aide to vice president pence, now director of the republican accountability project. the dan scavino angle there, the fact that he may have been served a subpoena before, i want to reiterate julie's reporting that we have not confirmed that when she asked leadership, no one denied that it had happened. so talk about how critical he was to the white house operation. why do you think it took so long for them to serve him if indeed it happened today? >> well, i think it's going to be a challenging case to get dan to tell us what he really knows and be honest about it. he is one of the most loyalist of the loyalist trump people.

he is, you know, he is, at many times, been responsible for social media per the former president. he does a lot of the communications for him, and he certainly is at the center of everything that happened. he knew exactly what happened in terms of the dereliction of duty that day, whether there was any. i believe there was. and i think he understands the events that led up to it. so, i don't expect dan to be forthcoming in any way and i think he will do everything he can to avoid actually complying with the subpoena. >> okay. how about steve bannon? i mean, you heard the report there that they claim he will not be complying with the subpoena. so, how do you weigh him against dan scavino in terms of loyalty to donald trump and that which he may have been involved in on the 6th? >> there's loyalty to different levels here, but i think in terms of steve bannon, let's think about it. it's also a business proposition for him, right? he has a loyal following. he is one of the biggest grifters of fund-raising off of a lot of -- he runs this really

alarming sort of war room, i would say, that spreads conspiracy theories, and he fund raises off it so he's trying to protect his reputation, i would say, as well, in terms of trying to comply because he'll lose that loyal following if he turns on trump. so i think both of these individuals have a certain loyalty, possibly for different reasons, but they're certainly both a part of this entire endeavor. >> what do you make of patel and meadows allegedly complying to some degree, at least, at this point? they said they're working, so far, with the committee. >> look, i think all of these individuals, especially kash and mark, know exactly what trump is and what he's capable of. he is loyal to nobody, and they have been there for many scenarios where trump has turned on his most loyal people and his right-hand people so i think mark and kash are weighing the calculus, do they proceed? how much will they comply? will they be honest under oath? will they tell the truth?

i honestly, alex, i question that. these are two people who have enabled a lot of the things that happened in the administration, some of the things that i saw firsthand, so i think, you know, kash worked for doj. he worked for the department of justice. so, with kash, it will be an interesting case. he's an attorney. he's been involved in interesting stuff along the way. i wonder where his loyalty will lie. is it to the country overall or to trump? >> those two, though, specifically, if they don't tell the truth, as you're implying you wouldn't expect them to, are they protecting themselves? are they protecting donald trump potentially? where do you think, from what you know of the two of them? >> i think it's a combination of both. you have to understand, these people are, first and foremost, selfish in their endeavors because if they had wanted to tell the truth, they would have come forward already. they would have told the american people the truth about what happened that day. and they should have told the truth about whatever they witnessed that day because it continues to create division and

continues to create danger across our country, and they know it. >> your former boss, who may have heard those chants of "hang mike pence," he's sending a rather head-spinning message, acknowledging the riot but wants to be seen as close to donald trump and the millions who voted for him, which also includes the rioters, we can't forget that. take a listen to that. >> listen, you can't spend almost five years in a political fox hole without somebody without developing a strong relationship, and you know, january 6th was a tragic day. the president and i sat down a few days later and talked through all of it. i can tell you that we parted amicably. the media wants to distract from the biden administration's failed agenda by focusing on one day in january. they want to use that one day to try and demean the character and intentions of 74 million americans. >> so, when you put this all together, how much do you think this is related to a possible pence run for president in 2024? >> i think it's absolutely connected to that.

i think, you know, mike pence is having an identity crisis right now. is he loyal to trump or is he loyal to himself? what's it going to be? are you going to embrace trumpism or take trump head on? because chances are, unfortunately, as much as i would like to see donald trump not run in 2024, there's a possibility that he may, and mike pence may find himself facing him head-on in competition for that nomination, and i know that mike pence is seeking that. >> so, interesting, though, this op-ed, as it points out in "the post," it says that this dilemma of four years of kowtowing to trump, his one moment of courage when he defied trump and certified the election result is the very thing he must now play down. is he between a rock and a hard place, olivia? don't most of trump's loyal supporters value courage? i mean, how could he possibly win them over? >> he won't. mike pence is a traitor to all of them. all he can hope for is that he wins over the moderate conservatives that have been following him all along.

that is his christian base, the people who always saw mike pence as different than trump. but when you downplay january 6th, instead of walking away and telling the truth about what really happened that day, and you downplay these events that we all clearly saw, and you downplay it to a certain extent where law enforcement got hurt that day, we all witnessed people getting hurt that day, it was so upsetting to many of the base there that are looking to see what mike pence is going to do, so again, mike pence, what is your plan? because right now, as far as i can tell, his political calculus right now is just an end to his career. i don't see a way out of this. >> so, one more question before you go. donald trump will be speaking in iowa tonight. he's going to go in with strong support. in fact, his highest favorability rating there since 2018. so, does this back up your thought that he might indeed run in 2024? and if so, how would your party feel about that prospect?

>> i think the party is in a really dark place right now. i think it is the party of trumpism, and i think that if donald trump were to run, i think he will likely secure the nomination, and that is a frightening prospect for many reasons. i think it is bad for the country. i think it is bad for our national security. and quite frankly, i think it's dangerous for many of us, including myself, who have taken a stand against this movement that is fundamentally just very divisive and dangerous. but i think, you know, people are tired. they say, don't talk about trump. you know, stop focusing on him. but i think it's important to remind people of what this man is capable of, and look, we have to talk about him because he is still there, and there is a real possibility that there's going to have to be a coalition of the willing that comes together and continues to push back on this, and that is included in those that are willing within the party to tell the truth about what this is and how dangerous of a moment we're in. >> can i ask you really quickly,

and i know nick's going to say i've got to go, but with regard to the way you know donald trump, wouldn't him being the nominee, ultimately, wouldn't that galvanize the opposition, not only democrats or independents who oppose him but those republicans inside the party that really have turned away from trump? wouldn't it galvanize them to the extent that donald trump would risk losing the election? do you think he wants to be labeled a loser twice in a row? >> you know, i think donald trump has a massive ego, and i don't think that we should underestimate him and his capacity to actually live in an alternate reality, so i think that it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter if it's bad for the party. he does not care about the republican party. he never has. and the truest of the truest sense, i would say, he doesn't care about conservatism. so he will run just as personal gratification because, you know, it's revenge, and he doesn't like losing, so he, you know, do i think that he'll galvanize the base? absolutely.

do i think that i hope that there will be a unity that comes together again? that is, i think, going to be slightly more challenging because we're seeing a lot of the more, you know, divisive narratives of the big lie and we're seeing some polling out there that it really is concerning about the number of people who are buying into the constant propaganda, the constant disinformation that is being pushed by leaders across the republican party, not just trump. we're talking about elected officials outside of people like liz cheney, who have taken a stand, who see this for what it really is, and outside of adam kinzinger. >> well, we can add olivia troye, to that. may not be an elected official but we appreciate everything that you always bring to our conversations. thank you, olivia. right now, in california, investigators say they're, quote, confident in identifying the cause of that massive oil spill. officials say an anchor strike moved the pipeline more than 100 feet and it could have happened anywhere from several months up to a year ago. nbc's scott cohen is joining us again from huntington beach with

details. can you walk us, scott, as i welcome you to the show again. walk us through this new timeline and how this spill is impacting the local community. what are you seeing? >> reporter: yeah, it's definitely impacting the community, alex. they've narrowed the beach closures a little bit from what they were a week ago, where you had, like, 20 miles of beaches closed. now, there's about ten miles of beaches where you can't go into the water. you can go on to the sand but you can't go into the water because they fear the health risk there and then you have areas like this. this is something called tolbert marsh, which is just inland from huntington beach, a sensitive wildlife reserve and they have gotten oil in here so they're working to contain that as well. and now, this sort of new timeline, as you mentioned, they do think now that they're pretty confident that it was an anchor strike that ruptured this pipeline, but as they got down into the water over the last week or so, they found that there's marine life growing on

this pipeline where the pipeline was ruptured, which means it didn't just happen. something has been going on, as they said, for months, possibly years, or a year, i should say, and now we have on top of it all of this traffic out at sea waiting to get into the ports of los angeles and long beach, which are backed up. so, basically, what it boils down to is they're going to have to now do some heavy duty detective work. >> should be very easy for them to determine which ships were in the area, because all commercial vessels now have a device called an automatic identification system or ais. it's a transponder similar to what's on commercial aircraft, transmits is ship's current location, name, et cetera, and all of that data is available. >> reporter: so it seemed like it might be easy, particularly if you were narrowing it down to a one-week time frame, but now

we're talking about months. they can go back and look and see which ships crossed paths, possibly, with the pipeline, but then tracking that ship down and the company behind it and what exactly happened is going to be no easy feat, and also, how is it that the company, amplify energy, which is based out of texas, was not able to detect this for potentially months? what happened there? the company has said that they didn't have any indication that there was a problem until just about a week ago, but even that timeline is a little bit in dispute, alex. >> yeah. i still cannot believe all those ships just sitting there in the bay off those ports. i mean, it's pretty stunning. all this is stunning. anyway, thank you so much, scott cohn, for that report. domino effect. how a slowdown in the supply chain could disrupt the holiday season. we'll talk about the ripple through the rest of the economy as well. through the stre of the economy as well. of your love babe♪ ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪

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on the rise because of global shipping delays and supply shortages. nbc's molly hunter has more on how this could affect the holiday season. molly, to you. >> reporter: hey, alex. good afternoon. that's right. look, everything from your detergent to your electronics is going to take a hit as some parts of the world start to emerge from the pandemic. vaccinated and ready to spend money. but there's this lopsided rebound recovery going on and the supply chain just can't keep up. take a look. shoppers are bracing for a holiday season like no other, all because of snarling global supply chain issues. >> you're seeing a shortage of supply of things that are needed to move product through the global supply chain, including workers, empty containers, chassises, available space on vessels, workers here in states for drivers and warehouses. >> reporter: add to that surging prices of raw materials, sky-high freight prices, and delays like this week at the port of los angeles. it also means a shortage of

component parts like microchips, making gifts like playstations, computers, and phones expensive and hard to find. factor in inflation, and all of it driving up prices. >> you could spend, like, maybe $120 on groceries. now it's, for, like, little things, you end up paying, like, maybe ten items and you're coming out like $200. >> reporter: price hikes hitting everything from toys to clothes, gadgets, furniture and car parts. reports from goldman-sachs show toy makers hasbro and mattel are already raising prices. our colleagues at cnbc tracked down care bears made in china where manufacturing costs are up 25% since january. once in the u.s., moving the bears by rail cost 225% more than in 2019, and trucking rates are up 91%, which means it just got a whole lot more expensive for care bear maker basic fun. now, retailers sigh buy early and be flexible. >> shop now. take a look online. maybe you need a little more

time than normal. but i feel confident in the american retailer. >> reporter: now, in addition to the heightened consumer demand, alex, global energy shortages, a labor and transport shortages have basically all combined to create this perfect storm. and about those holiday gifts, well, get your wish lists in early so you can start shopping today. alex? >> okay. molly hunter, thank you for that. let's bring in moody's analytics chief economist, mark zandy. welcome. we've just heard molly's report there. what is your assessment on what is driving the supply chain nightmare and how long it's going to last? >> well, the pandemic. the pandemic has scrambled supply chains. delta hit here hard but nailed the rest of the world, particularly asia, particularly southeast asia and a lot of these supply chains start there. for example, a number of malaysian chip plants have shut down because all the workers got sick. so, no chips, that means all the consumer electronics that use

the chips, all the motor vehicles that use the chips, they can't get produced, and we have severe shortages and we have shortages, you have a higher prices. so, you know, it goes all the way back to the pandemic, which means, you know, this isn't going to be resolved until the pandemic truly winds down. and that's going to take some time. so, i don't think it's going to solve itself next month, next quarter, probably not until this time next year. >> yeah, so with regard to the price increases there, recording inflation, right, is driving that. so let's say for a family with a medium income of about, what, $70,000, you have said it is forcing them to spend an extra $175 a month. how sustainable is that for that income level? and could it even go higher? >> well, that's painful, for sure. you know, particularly after 18 months of the pandemic and all the unemployment and underemployment and people having to not work because they've been sick or taking care of sick parents and kids. i mean, it's just a, you know,

another hardship, particularly for lower, lower middle income households so this is not good. but i am -- i do think that, you know, as the pandemic winds down and, you know, i'm hopeful and i do think, you know, we may have future waves but hopefully less disruptive than the delta wave and the wave that hit us before that. that, you know, the supply chains will start to iron themselves out. people will get back to work, and the inflation will start to moderate. yeah, it's going to take a little bit of time but i think that's going to happen. >> so you think prices will go back down or at least stop rising so quickly? >> yeah, some prices may fall but it's more about inflation, the rate of growth slowing. so, just to give you a sense of that. right now, inflation, consumer price inflation, across all goods and services is just over 5% year over year. in a typical economy, well-functioning economy before the pandemic, it was 2%. so, we're at 5%. i expect we'll be back at 2% by late next year, early 2023. >> okay. let's talk about jobs, because

the september jobs report showed u.s. employers added only 194 how to workers while 500,000 new jobs were expected to be added. it's a pretty big miss. that said, august jobs revise up to 366,000 from 235,000 so how do you interpret those numbers? >> they're okay. but delta was all over that too, right? i mean, we saw pretty weak numbers coming out of restaurants and leisure and hospitality, and that's delta. we saw job losses in the vehicle industry and that's not because people don't want to buy cars. demand for cars is very strong. it's just, vehicle manufacturers can't get the chips to produce them, so they're producing a lot fewer cars and employing a lot fewer people, so again, this goes back to the pandemic. here, too, though, if that diagnosis is correct, as the delta wave winds down and it feels like it's winding down, that means the economy should ramp up, so, you know, here's an intrepid forecast for you, alex.

i think we're going to have a month or two of closer to a million jobs because of the winding down of the delta variant and the ramping up of economy. >> when it comes to cars, have you seen the price of used cars lately? through the roof. let talk about "the washington post" headline on the jobs number. america's unemployed are sending a message. they'll go back to work when they feel safe and well compensated. mark, is it more about feeling safe or is it more about compensation? or do you think it's something else altogether? >> you know, it's a bunch of stuff. actually, the census, bureau of census, runs a survey every couple weeks and they've been doing it since the pandemic hit and ask a lot of questions around -- for folks that have stopped working, why? what's going on? why aren't you coming back to work? top of the list? parents taking care of kids. now, that may start to unwind as schools have reopened in-person in many places but you got young kids at home. there's no child care. the second biggest reason is taking care of elderly parents. we've seen people take their parents and grandparents out of

nursing homes because that's been a real problem in the pandemic. and so they have to take -- and then being sick. last month, from the bureau of labor statistics, 1.6 million people reported being sick. that's a lot of sick people, and so, you know, just can't go to work. so, i think it's all of those things, and it's also pay. i mean, i think lower income workers realize, because of the pandemic, they're taking some risks here, and they want to be compensated for it, and given the environment they're in, they can ask for those higher wages and they'll get it. >> okay. moody's mark zandi, i enjoyed the chat. past the president's infrastructure bill, prepare for a midterm reckoning. that's the message from a group of house members in swing districts, and one of them joins me next. bers in swing districts, and one of them joins me next. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark.

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$1.9 trillion to $2.2 trillion, but this week, a group of house democrats from swing districts and that is the key, writing an op-ed titled "as 2018 majority makers, we know build back better is a winning agenda." and here to discuss that article and more is minnesota congresswoman angie craig. welcome. thank you so much for joining me. i just want to ask, you are in a swing district, right? so, would you -- would you imagine that your seat could be vulnerable in 2022? do you think about that and did that enter at all into your calculation as you signed on to this op-ed? >> well, thank you for having me, alex. and you know, i led this op-ed because we were hearing last week really from progressives and moderates, some of whom won their seats by 15 to 20, even one who won his seat by 40 percentage points. and i thought it was really

important that my colleagues and i, who came into office in 2018, not just because we had a very unpopular president at the time, but because we made a lot of promises to our voters. the infrastructure bill obviously is a part of that and incredibly important, but if we learned anything from 2010, i hope it is that the more we stand up and deliver to our promises, to our voters, the better off we're going to be as democrats in the next election. >> so, let's get to some of the details here in this build back better bill. you and five other members of congress signed on to this op-ed and here's the quote. we made promises to our voters to lower the cost of healthcare and prescription drugs. expand access to early childhood and post-secondary education, fix the roads and address the urgent threat of climate change as we enacted policies designed to benefit hardworking families.

i mean, everyone, congresswoman, seems to agree the reconciliation package has to be trimmed back in order to pass and win the support that it needs to do so. but where can you cut? >> well, the president was pretty clear with house democrats when he met with us a week ago on friday that we were likely looking at something in the neighborhood of $2 trillion to $2.2 trillion in the end that could get past the senate. there are a number of ways to do that, and some of your guests throughout the day have talked a little bit about that. do we take this ten-year investment of really good ideas, like early childhood education, community college, trade school, paid family leave, do we take some of these ideas and pare them back, let's say, to seven years to achieve some cost savings? i think what is the most dangerous thing that we can do is to draw lines in the sand, and the truth is, in these swing

districts, and alex, i won my seat by 2.2 percentage points on re-election in the last cycle. i was the fifth closest race in the country. i'm one of those majority makers. we have to deliver on our promises. yes, they're going to have to be some comprises. we'd all like to get everything we want, but in a world in which the senate has a 50-50 tie, we've got to make sure we keep pushing for the promises we made to our voters, but we're not -- none of us are going to get everything we want out of this package. >> well said. absolutely. what about -- are you convinced that wealthier americans, those folks making over $400,000 a year, will they be able to pay for this legislation over the next decade with absolutely zero being added to the debt? i mean, new taxes, would that offset that? >> i think, alex, that that's what's really critical about our messaging here as democrats. this is a ten-year investment,

and we're committed to paying for it by making wealthy americans pay their fair share and by making those companies across america -- and i spent two decades at two different healthcare manufacturing companies making sure that everybody is paying their fair share. i'm out with independent voters a lot, with republican voters a lot. my district is dead even at 50-50, democrats versus republicans. and i can tell you that there is a lot of support, because they want to make sure everybody's paying their fair share. they feel like they're paying their fair share. for years, people have said to me, angie, the middle class just continues to be decimated, and this package is the biggest middle class tax cut in decades. the child tax credit is just extraordinary. extending the tax credits in the individual market for the aca, the premium tax credits, it's extraordinary. so, so many incredibly important things, child care, child care,

child care. mark zandi said it a minute ago. the jobs report that just came out, alex, it's about women who are leaving or not coming back into the workforce, and we need policy solutions that are going to help us change just that. >> so, i know, congresswoman, that you have suggested it is more likely for democrats, even those in swing districts, like yourself, to potentially lose their seats if they do not pass this. what part of the build back better program do you think would get the most support and thereby the most votes? >> well, i think extending the child tax credit is incredibly important. as i said, it's a huge middle class tax cut. it affects 40,000 households in my congressional district. our ability to finally stand up and take on drug costs in this country, and this has been a little bit controversial. i sit on energy and commerce. three of my colleagues did not

report prescription drug negotiations on medicare out of that committee. my voters need to know that i'm there to serve them. that i'm willing to stand up to the special interest groups, big pharma, the u.s. chamber, they're already running ads against me, which is really extraordinary because if you want -- if businesses want workers to come back into the workforce, we need to address child care and women in the workforce. so, you know, i hope the u.s. chamber runs ads against my republican colleagues who vote against the build back better act because they are holding workforce and our families behind if they vote against this bill. >> okay. minnesota democratic congresswoman angie craig, come see me again. i enjoyed this conversation. thank you so much. florida governor ron desantis shows no signs of letting up in his war against mask mandates and it's now taking a toll on some schools in their fight to keep children and teachers safe. ols in their fight to keep children and teachers safe.

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ahead for us on "american voices," the former president in iowa. of note is who it is he is there stumping for and what it tells us about trump's continued hold on the gop. plus, the show that is sweeping the nation. why "squid game" is such a game changer. all of that is ahead, 6:00 p.m. eastern, "american voices," right here on msnbc. let's go now to the latest in the coronavirus pandemic. there are just over 44 million cases in the u.s. and the death toll is now surpassed 716,000, approaching 717,000. while cases have increased across all age groups, health officials say kids have been testing positive more often than adults and that is due to the highly contagious delta variant, the relaxed restrictions, and because kids under 12 can't be vaccinated yet. meanwhile, pfizer applied this week for authorization of its vaccine for children ages 5 to 11. more than 28 million children could become eligible to receive the shot in just weeks.

and right now, students can stop wearing masks in hillsboro schools in florida after the district determined students don't need a medical exemption to opt out. parents are now allowed to fill out a form if they don't want their kids wearing a mask in school. nbc's tiffany stanton is in tampa where that school district is located. so, stephanie, welcome back. how are the surrounding school districts responding to this push to lift the mask mandates? >> reporter: well, alex, that depends on what school district we're talking about. but let me sort of set the scene for you and paint the picture because earlier this week, on thursday, the state school board of education met and they actually sanctioned eight school districts here in the state of florida, including miami dade and orange county, which is in the orlando area, for failing to comply with the governor's anti-mask mandate. they were given, those school districts, they were given 48 hours to comply or be fined the equivalency of the school board

members' salaries. here in hillsboro county in the tampa area, they did not get sanctioned because just last week, they relaxed their mask mandate here. now, you may recall, hillsboro county, when school started, was among a handful of districts across the states that actually defied governor desantis and actually instituted mask policies. school officials back then said they had no choice because cases were essentially exploding here in florida. now, in nearby pasco county, maybe about an hour from where we are here, the positivity rate is still about 10%, but that county has never mandated masks. they've always been optional. they had their own school board meeting earlier this week, and things got pretty heated. take a listen. >> hudson high has 141 positive cases. that is 10% of the school testing positive for covid. in only 18 school days. >> thank you now that we're allowing choices. choose to wear a mask or not wear a mask. >> the people that aren't for

masks don't care about anybody, this, that, the other. it is not my job, it's not my wife's job, it's not your job to worry about what everybody else does. >> reporter: and of course they were not as heated as we've seen in some of these other school board meetings, they were keeping it diplomatic but parents in the state still divided on the mask issue. there is a silver lining in all of this, alex, and that is the fact that cases have dropped significantly here in the sunshine state, according to the latest numbers we're seeing about 4,000 cases per day. last week, for example, there were just over 25,000 cases of covid reported. at the height of the delta variant, when school started a couple of months ago, we were seeing more than 150,000 cases here in the state of florida. so, the big question now, everyone's wondering, they're hoping that maybe the worst is behind us. but this debate over masks is continuing. >> yeah. well, let's indeed hope the worst is behind us, but you're

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newly released documents reveal donald trump's luxury d.c. hotel lost millions of dollars while he was in office. the house oversight committee released hundreds of pages of documents it received from gsa, that's the general services administration, and that is the agency which leased the hotel hotel's federally owned property to the trump organization. the documents show while trump was losing money, he was reporting revenue of over $156 million. the trump organization has rejected the committee's claims, and joining me now is "washington post" reporter and nbc news contributor david, the guy we go to for all these stories. so, what's the truth here? first of all, what contributed to the hotel's major losses? >> well, look, when trump got

this hotel, when he got the contract for this hotel, way before he was in politics, everybody else in the hotel industry looked at it and said, he spent way too much money. he's never going to make money on this. and they were right. that was before trump alienated half of the world. so you have to remember the thing that he was relying on for this hotel was not only travelers but conventions, people from all sides of the political spectrum, political fundraisers, and when he entered politics, he divided the world in half and half of that world would never come to him so he was already facing a difficult situation and made it so much worse by entering politics. >> wasn't it something he was either -- just from memory, 53 or 56% was the maximum hotel occupancy at any given time? i mean, it's hard to make a profit off of that. >> that's right. that's right. it was up to about 56% in a good year and so just to give you a sense of how that looks, if you look at the other luxury hotels in d.c., the people he was competing with, they were 75%, 80%, but trump was making a lot of money per room, like $500 a

night per room but when the hotel is only half full, that's not going to do it. >> this report also included confidential filings trump's accountants turned over to the gsa but what does this tell us about trump's financial situation while he was in office? >> well, what it tells us is while he was in office and now, trump's biggest, best-known properties, the d.c. hotel, dural, the turnberry resort in scotland, he's been dumping money into them. they don't make him a dollar. he pays to own them. and he's been doing that for a long time. so that's a very difficult financial position that he's been in while he was president. he is in now. and it's important to know that about a president or a potential future president, if they are in financial straits, if they need help from somebody, that's a person who could be open to conflict of interest. >> well, there's that, and does it at all address the level to which trump, inc., itself is profitable? when you're pouring -- i looked at this. $100 million here, $230 million there. i mean, it's a lot of money to

all these different places. what does that say about the organization in its solvency? >> the trump organization as it's set up right now really makes no sense and has these huge money-losing properties and he is never going to get -- the trump name is poisoned by politics. they're never going to be general interest properties. i don't understand the make-up of the trump organization now. they seem content to write checks, to keep a lot of their properties going, but i don't know how much longer that goes, and i don't think it's any -- it is every going to improve. so, you know, one of the things we've been asking is, he's obviously trying to sell the d.c. hotel now. would he try to sell a lot of his other properties and shrink it back to the things that make money? selling t-shirts, mar-a-lago, bedminster, the things that are closely tied to his political brand. there's a few of those businesses that will still survive but why not shrink it back to that and get rid of all these big, expensive places that are in trouble. >> it's just so interesting because isn't this a guy who maybe he loves power as much as he loves money, but he loves money. >> yeah, that is interesting. he does not sell very often. he's not somebody who sells

properties. that's probably what he needs to do now. it's what looking from the out, that's what he needs to do. but he's not very good at that, and he often asks, like in the case of the d.c. hotel, he's asking way more than people are willing to pay. so, he does like money, but there's also a prestige factor and a element of pride when he doesn't sell that often and when he does try to sell, he asks too much. >> so, that whole emoluments clause, it's something that you and i discussed over the four years, but this report also shows that trump received nearly $4 million from foreign governments. could this be seen as a conflict of interest? >> sure. i mean, this is something that's written into the constitution. presidents can't take emoluments, which is a word for payments, from foreign governments. trump said, that doesn't mean i can't do business with foreign governments. as long as i'm providing a service in exchange for the money. so he continued to do that. apparently $3.7 million worth of payments from foreign governments and foreign political parties came into his hotel. and democrats sued him and tried to get the courts to rule on

this but because it's such a weird, novel area of the law, the courts basically choked on that question and didn't come close to rendering an answer after four years. >> look, i know, real quickly, he's really pushing back on the prospect of deutsche bank having given him preferential treatment but it's hard to deny they did. >> well, we only know what's in these documents and what they said was -- trump owes deutsche bank $170 million, a loan he took out on the hotel and in the filings, in 2017, he says, in 2018, a year from now, i'm going to have to start paying the principal on that loan, not just the interest. 2018 comes around and he says, i don't have to pay the principal anymore. i'm just paying interest. we don't know why. was that based on some agreement they made before trump went into politics? or did they give him a special break? they've denied trump and deutsche bank that there was any special treatment but they haven't explained why that happened. >> keep digging, david, and come back to see us when you got that and more. that's going to do it for me. i'll see you again tomorrow at

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