lincoln with 139, george washington with 171. the top five include christopher columbus, who never actually set foot on american soil but still has nearly 150 monuments dedicated to him. civil rights leader martin luther king jr. follows with 86 monuments and st. francis has 73 monuments dedicated to him. good evening, everyone. thanks for staying with us. welcome to the second hour of "ayman." is a crisis upon us or will democrats manage to pull the bill through reconciliation. and reuters found at&t has been a sugar daddy for one american news network.

i'll discuss right-wing media and what it plays in society. and comedian david chapelle back and controversial as ever. i'll break down which comments are commenting the most outrage. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. the drama came very close to testing the filibuster.

before that could happen, mcmcconnell caved. he actually agree toified another date. >> republicans played a risky partisan game and i'm glad their brinksmanship did not work. >> it was apparently too much for senator joe manchin, sitting behind majority leaders. he couldn't contain his frustration. he got up and walked out of the chamber and quickly found a group of reporters to do wha else but complain. >> both sides have been very guilty of this and the frustration has built up. we disagree. . >> no surprise that republican reaction to all of this was even more severe. watch. >> i thought he was totally out

of line. >> why? >> i thought it was just an incredibly partisan speech after we helped him solve a problem. >> there's a time to be graceful and a time to be combative. that was a time for peace. >> congress has actually enacted 98 separate debt limit modifications since the end of world war ii, including 17 distinct changes in the past year alone. what was once relatively routine has become anything but, especially when democrats are in the white house. during the obama era, republicans in congress led by mcconnell and fueled by tea party extremists brazenly risked default while threatening to shut the government down unless they got spending cuts. what's different is that the gop couldn't seek to want anything

other than simply chaos. jonathan allen writes, "the trump-dominated republican party has abandoned the conference of leverage. the gop doesn't have a legislative agenda. there is no deal to be because republicans don't want anything from biden but political advantage. that's no way to run an economy or a country for that matter. pete dominic is a standup comedian. liz plank is a columnist for "msnbc daily" and author and eugene dales is a co-author of politico. it's exciting to get all of your takes on the lineup tonight. what is your take on this political gamesmanship?

could there be benefits to pushing it forward? >> it's the same fight over and over. giving six weeks and going to make it better for the country. you definitely don't want that happening around the holidays when people are needing to spend money, thinking about how strong the economy is, but it does give democrats some time to deal with their infrastructure bill, deal with a build back better agenda. it does give them time to figure that out before they have to deal with this issue. as a country it's not as good that our leaders continue to kick this down the road and the fact that the debt limit is something that was created so that we stop borrowing money, that the government did that less, it doesn't stop us from doing that and it continues to be huge problem and especially when crafts have power needs and help from republicans. >> mitch mcconnell saying he's not going to cooperate with the democrats that are pretty much

on their own. it brings me to jonathan allen's quote in what he wrote, "republicans are taking a decidedly trumpian approach to the possibility of a u.s. default, only a sucker pays debts. is that the legacy of the 45th president, that he just -- that the republican party now has been made in the image of trump and that is a guy who did not pay his debts. that is something we all know. >> to be fair the republicans didn't pay their debts first. every time says i'm a fiscal conservative i'm like, okay, you're a democrat? because republicans spend money and don't pay for it, wars, medicare part d, the trump tax cut, they don't pay for any of that. this was created overwhelmingly by republicans. the kind of spending the democrats want to do is good for the economy, health care, education, job opportunities. it's not like defense.

you'd be a democrat. hilarious the republicans are treating their decisions to include a crisis. mitch mcconnell is acting like they saved it. they were going to destroy the american and global economy. they're acting like they're doing a personal favorite. it's like kidnapping a person's kid, and then working with law enforcement to give the kid back and then asking for a key to the city. >> that's a heck of analogy. liz, i see you nodding your head. what's your take on how the republican has played this. anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish would remember what republicans did when trump was in office and the billions they racked in debt. >> trillions. >> trillions. i'm sorry. >> it really shows that we spent the last four years talking about donald trump as coming out of nowhere, this phenomenon like no other. it was just a continuation of

the way that the republican party operates as really like abusers and bullies. so you create chaos so that you're the one who fixes the chaos. so people forget you created the conflict in the first place. the point everyone has been making, the conflict is being thrown on progressives and progressives are being shown for the progressive caucus and not being able to let go of these priorities that are like climate change and making sure the parents continue to have their child credit, small things like that, saving the planet so we don't all burn in hell. so it's so important for us as the media to make sure who is actually creating the chaos. it's not progressives. it's mitch mcconnell and republicans. >> i was going to say some might think we're living in hell when you're watching how the politician of this is all

playing out. let's talk about these two bills that are trying to work their way through congress. was it a good idea for democrats to tie these two bills together? are progressives really going to get more out of the build back better act by holding up the bipartisan infrastructure bill and foregoing the good press that would have resulted from its passage? or are they doing the right thing in that they are linking the two together, which is what they wanted to do from the beginning, right away. it was their compromise to split this up to appease the conservative democrats who wanted to score a bipartisan win, when in reality everybody knew it was not going to carry over to both. >> right. i mean, i think this was maybe the only way for it to actually work. think about months and months ago we were talking about this as one humongous infrastructure bill and conservative democrats were saying, no, we're not interested in this bill at all. they split the bill and then you have a little more interest in the hard infrastructure aspect of this.

i think tend of the day there was going to be a similar fight about what goes into this reconciliation bill and what the top line was going to be. that was always going to be progressives were going to want a lot more and trillions of dollars, $6 trillion to $10 million and people like joe manchin wanted it to come down. but the problem they have right now is the thing they're going to spend their time doing is finding not the top line number but actually what's in the bill, what they actually want to spend money on because that's something they don't have a handle on just yet and that's going to take them weeks and week, even though october 31st is the new deadline set by nancy pelosi. >> pete, what's your take on the way this has played out and whether or not conservative democrats like joe manchin, kristen sinema are getting enough from the white house to stop blocking the agenda and

what people want. this is a popular piece of legislation and people want it done, even though it has this tremendous support from 48 centers, joe manchin and sinema seem to be blocking it. >> i don't buy the biden administration could be doing more. tell me what it is. they give manchin and sinema anything they want. there's not much that the biden administration can do. they're not going to primary manchin or sinema in either of their states. there's very little they can do. most progressives, including myself, are impressed that progressives stayed together in solidarity and overwhelmingly americans approve of each part of the bill. why? because it will make all of our lives better and save our children's future. you can't cut away any of this. you have to do all of this right now before we lose our

democracy. i mean, this is it. this is it for joe biden and for america. the stakes could not be higher. progressives have stuck together and overwhelmingly in the house and the senate democrats are all in agreement on this. >> not to disagree with you but the white house could lead more on manchin and sinema. the president does suddenly say he needs these two votes and he has in the past taken digs at them. i'm not saying he should take a page out of donald trump's book in terms of bashing his fellow party, but could he do more in name checking manchin and sinema and say it's you guys that are preventing getting what we want. >> if he puts too much pressure on them publicly, it turns them away.

>> wait till we get to the next segment about disagreeing. i'm sure we'll have a lot to say about dave chapelle. >> there's no solution. we're still going to deal with the same mess. >> now democrats could try again with joe manchin and sinema to increase the debt ceiling. they probably won't be able to do it right through reconciliation. so it's another, you know, sort of thing that he can point to that the democrats have failed to do and i would also disagree, it's hard on biden, hard to call out members of his own party because, again, that will play into the narrative that democrats are the ones who are creating chaos, not republicans. >> we'll see what happens in

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so what a week for right-wing media. on tuesday the facebook whistleblower testified in front of congress and exposed how the company is misleading the public. conservatives balked at proposals claiming censorship. and reuters exposed how at&t helped build a far-right metwork, one america news. and on thursday, fox news, that fox news, markets 25th anniversary to accept brat the

empire state building is supposed to be decked out in red, white and blue. let me play something for you that congressman devin nunez said. >> they're using us to censor. and the biden administration will use this to accept up a government entities that do what? they're always run by socialists, leftists and do more to harm the united states or distance us conservatives. >> what is your reaction to that? this is an all-elaborate scheme about how socialists are going take over the media airwaves and censor right-wing media. >> can you can't censor the

right-wing media, because they've been building a network for years. they have folks in government with their own ways of talking. you can't silence or do anything to keep them quiet. what's also really important when you're talking about the censorship aspect of this, it feels very connected, these are things that just sound very scary to voters. so that is a ploy, political ploy, to get people to vote republicans, to continue to watch the state in this echo chamber on the right. that is something that you continue to hear and continue to see. i don't think it's going anywhere, especially because of right-wing media. seems to be getting stronger when you have a president in power who is a democrat. >> the biggest frustrating thing in all of this, liz, is this narrative that republicans and right wing have somehow contacted this narrative they're the ones being silenced and

censorship. robert herring testified the inspiration to launch said they told us they wanted a conservative network. they only had one, which was fox news, and they had seven others on the, quote, left wing side, when they said i jumped to it and pulled it out. how did this slip under the radars when the executives came up with the idea in the first place? >> when someone is trying to convince you of something so hard, it means they're probably guilty, right? the narrative created is somehow the left wing is completely in charge when it comes to our ecosystem. they talk about it so much that

it really seed as lot of doubt for me. and this oem another is not just a parody but we know that the media really is run by conservative elites, right, that the interests that align with conservative elites will elaine with the people in the media. so plutes are going to plute. the myth that journalists are liberals. journalists don't run the media. the owners of the media run the media. that's a really important distinction to make. >> luckily for us, we have a number of the plu tockcy here.

how much do we own all these other far right media spawns to fox news? have they contributed to a normalization and a culture of hate in this country when you look at tucker carlson and the great replacement he now espouses from his platform? >> i'm a ploout democrat. i do a podcast from my shed. 25 years ago, it was 1996 just before the 2000 election, we know what happened there. just before 9/11, we know what happened there, fox news brought us into iraq. they brought us the birther lie about barack obama, the financial crisis, denial about climate change. they basically created a media atmosphere in a country where they united republicans and conservatives against the rest

of us. they made people believe that things aren't happening and -- people don't believe that climate change is happening. they don't believe that covid is real. so there's a reality issue now. they have two different -- earth one, earth two. i think fox news has led the way on that. they're not the only one. now you have oan and at&t completely funding them because they want probably a negotiating tactic with fox news to have some competition. fox news isn't even extreme enough. they need these other networks to convince americans that the moon is made of cheese and that i'm going to eat your baby. >> the extremism is going more and more. there is a disinformation pandemic in this and also a distrust issue i want to talk to you about. i know it's something to folks and journalists like you who want to report and make sure you're doing the best report. only 7% of americans have a great deal of trust of reports

appearing in newspapers and television or other media outlets. i'm curious to get your thoughts on what may have caused this distrust in the first place. how much did trump's fake news campaign contribute to this rhetoric? how much does fox news trying to pretend it's not mainstream and constantly bashing mainstream media have to do with this and how much are we guilty of it taking a self-critical look at ourselves as well? >> i think nolan is innocent in this, right? you look at the years and years of people not trusting journalists, not trusting the media. it didn't start with donald trump. i believe it got worse with donald trump, the way that he talked about us and treated us. i've been yelled at. people say "f.u. politico." i wore my politico bag. probably not the smartest move on my part. all of this is connected. you have fox news who bashes the

media, people who talk like journalists, have shows like journalists but aren't them. that makes it confusing for the american people. that's part of the legacy of fox news and will continue to be so. when you look at reporters, the way that we cover things, the click bait, all of that, that is also a part of this. because you have the american people not knowing how much they can trust the things that the headline and the story are going to be the exact same thing and sometimes they're not. i think that means need to change the way that we do things. if we don't have a strong press in this country, it's scary and it's really dangerous. >> liz, how difficult do you think it is going to be to combat misinformation on social media? what's your take on that? is there a way to combat it? what's the right approach? >> i think it's extremely difficult. we -- there's -- i could go on. but to eugene's point, this puts

journalists at risk, but it puts our most morj marginalized at risk. the people with the most to lose are the most affected when this information is allowed to spread. we know this week they spoke to whistle blowers, all this research around what happens to our children. what happens to people when they're told not to trust the media, they rely on their own research whether to get a vaccine. so we have a lot to lose if we don't take this issue really seriously. >> all right, guys. stick around for us. we have a lot more to discuss. coming up, outrage over dave schappel's new special. has he finally gone too far?

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years. how do you close a body of work so profound. looks like he's going to say something. what could he possibly have left to say? >> netflix says it is the third most watched show in the u.s. today. it's being called homophobic and anti-semitic. they say his show should be immediately pulled from the platform. i watched this this afternoon and i thought it was hilarious. i thought it was really funny and i respect a lot of people are going to find it offensive. i'm not going to lie, it was offensive. but it raises the question as to what we expect from our

comedians. that's what i want to get to you guys to answer. you tweeted, pete, that chapelle is your favorite of all time? >> yeah. you can separate the art from the work. "killing him softly" is my favorite of all time. i know him. i've been doing standup for 20 years. i don't know him well. he's widely respected in the comedy community and arguably the greatest of his generation, of our generation, if not of all time, though that's subjective. i watched the special, too, and i found myself laughing quite a bit but also be offended. i don't like people calling women the "b" word and he also

says the "n" word. i don't like a lot of what he was saying. there's a lot of problematic issues. the best people to spoke are black trans women and dave was talk about black versus gay and i think there's to some extent with comedians like dave and other men in this country and black men, white men, having a hard time losing kind of the hierarchy, the dominance that we've had. dave could go after so many other issues. i'm not sure why he is so focused on this one. i do think it's really problematic for sure. >> part of the his genius is the narrative he weaves. why is he weaving this narrative? is it because going after trans and gay people is drawing attention? at the end of the day, this is a business. he wants viewership just as much as anybody does.

netflix certainly does. he says he's jealous of the progress that the gay rights movement has made. take a look at this clip. watch. >> i can't help but feel like if slaves had baby oil and booty shorts we might have been free a hundred years sooner, you know what i mean? >> now, he says his problem is not with gays, it's with white people. he always kind of frames everything in his conversation in that narrative about that. do comments like that suggest there is a blind spot with regards to pete's point? you could be black and gay. >> like me. you could be all those things. i think there is a blind spot for a lot of people when it comes to these kind of things. i think something -- pete's talking about how he's always love that he's a master of his craft. he's proven his time and time again able to understand and

make insightful joke about power and power structures. it's unlikely he doesn't understand or know how marginalized trans people are in this country. and this is all forcing a conversation that's healthy that we should be having. the fact that you're a member of a marginalized community doesn't prevent you from causing harm to another. this is undergirding this entire conversation about dave chappelle. he doesn't speak on it and explain why he's doing his jokes. netflix doesn't seem like they're going to pull it because a lot of people are watching it. like you said, ayman, the rest of us are having a conversation about how marginalized people are because jokes can lead to

the dehumanization of people and that can lead to violence. it's not that he's calling people to go out and kill trans people of color but it doesn't help. >> reporter:'s a reaction on twitter saying that what we object to is the harm that contact like this does to the trans community and very specifically black trans women. i'd like your thoughts. >> i think it's a shame because what dave chappelle did is what we women down, we fail to see ourselves as the oppressor instead of the oppressed. we fail to act and have the privilege to do something about it. i'm just really disappointed.

there's a part in the show where he says i just missed the old days, i miss the stonewall gays. they have a black trans woman to thank for the stone wall giants. marcia p. johnson, she should be taught about in the school, she's one of the biggest civil rights leaders of our time and also the first person who threw the first brick in the stone wall riots reportedly. so marsha p. johnson, a black trans woman of color is why we are here today. we have her to thank. and these kind of jokes have consequences. this isn't just comedy. it leads to bigotry. there's an entire political ecosystem that thrives off of these jokes. we know that trans kids, half of them have seriously considered killing themselves. children have serious live considered killing themselves. half of them.

that is because of the cultural ecosystem we live in where we think they're the butt of a joke or we think their lives matter less because of who they are. i just hate to see adults, educated adults, use their platform to instead of protecting these kids, endangering them further. >> did you want to say something, pete, about that? >> well, i just wanted to -- just the caveat, i don't disagree with anything that liz said. as a matter of fact, i think dave chappelle, all of us would be better off if we read one of the most influential books of my life, this is by my co-panelist. liz wrote the book and all men would benefit by reading it. a comedian's first job is to make you laugh. if they make you think, that's

great. it's not like they're principals or governors or policy makers. the first goal is to make us law, which doesn't take away anything liz said. there is harm being done. sorry. >> to that point, he does invoke a personal story about a friend of his who was trans, talks about this in a very personal way. what i got out of it, i'm happy to be corrected, i you felt he was trying to weave a narrative of empathy, saying he wanted to look beyond identity and be empathetic and if we could all be united in the empathy, that's what's going to bond us, rather than our identity. obviously we have different feelings. liz told me to tell you, pete dominic, your check is in the mail. >> i'll send you another book. you can give it to dave. >> pete, get that book to dave chappelle. thank you guys so much for

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>> take it from me, the first female and minority governor of south carolina, america is not a racist country. >> it's a line she's used in the past, including at the republican national convention last year. the only problem is it completely contradicts what she actually lived. her own lived experience. >> brown girl in a black and white world. we faced discrimination and hardship. >> you also say as a child would you say people sort of staring at your dad and even in one case the police were called because he was just shopping at a roadside stand and you said it made you sad for him. >> it did make me sad because i knew they didn't know him the way i knew them. >> i hate to break it to you, that is textbook racism. the good news is racism doesn't exist in south carolina anymore and it's all thanks to governor haley. >> we really kind of fixed all that when you elected the first

indian-american female governor and elected the first african-american senator. >> she's had to deal with a number of racial issues. nine black people were gunned down at a bible study at the emanuel amc church. here's her chance to show the her people the steady leadership they need, right? no. two days later, with debates over whether to remove the confederate flag, she didn't want to go there, saying she was, quote, not doing that to the people of my state. here she is at a press conference three days later. >> we are here in a moment of unity in our state without ill will to say it's time to move the flag from the capitol

ground. >> so she has flip floppedin on all sorts of issues. during the chaos of the impending withdrawal from afghanistan, "negotiating is like dealing with the devil." the guy who kicked off direct negotiations with the taliban, he wanted to invite them to the white house on september 11th. trump has presented a gold mine of flip-flopping opportunity for haley. in february after the january 6th insurrection that president trump and his allies incited we shade "we need to acknowledge he let us down. he went down a path he shouldn't have and we can't let that happen ever again.

she went on to say, quote, i don't think he's going to be in the picture. i don't think he can. he's fallen so far." now, you'll likely not be surprised to learn that she's actually changed her tune once again. in fact, since then here's what she told "the wall street journal" about trump just this week. "he has a strong legacy from his administration. we need him in the republican party. i don't want us to go back to the days before trump. and that, ladies and gentlemen, that's what it takes, haley's flip-flopping from laughable to dangerous. that's what it's so dangerous in all of this. does she actually stand for anything? will she ever truly stand up to trump and his brand of authoritarianism? will she say anything the next time trump and his psycho fans try to subvert democracy? it's hard not to recognize when someone is performing at the top of their game.

that's why we would like to present her with the nikki haley lifetime award in flip-flopping. congratulations, former governor. you've truly earned it.

before we go, you know that saying the third time is the charm? well tonight, at least, the last time the two heavy weight champions, fury beat wilder and

knocked him out. but this is about more than just athleticism. in a sport dominated by male bravado, his career has been defined by his personal battles and overcoming vulnerabilities and he's doing so openly. he took a hiatus for taking care of himself. he ended up leaving the sport for two years and he said, quote, my anxiety is terrible. i believe anxiety is one of the worst things that anybody can have. it is the fear of the unknown. he has talked about his mental health struggles that let him to suicidal thoughts. >> i was in a darkroom and i was crying out to god for help me. i trained for two or three days and thought, this is too hard. go back to the drink. i can wake up in the morning, everything is fine. in the afternoon i could commit suicide. >> he has become a tireless

advocate and fighter for mental wellness. other athletes are doing it, too. naomi osaka and simone biles who withdrew from the gymnastics team event citing mental health struggles. these athletes are helping remove the stigma often associated with mental health in sports and society at large. it is okay to talk about it and to seek help. there is nothing wrong with taking care of yourself first and foremost. but tonight is shaping up to be one for the ages. both boxers have been inactive since february of 2020 due to the pandemic. the fight was originally scheduled for july 24th. but after fury tested positive for covid, it was delayed. as for wilder, he's fighting for redemption and honor after his knock-out in their last bout. a lot of excuses. they range from tampered gloves,

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