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columbus, who never actually set foot on american soil but still has nearly 150 monuments dedicated to him. civil rights leader martin luther king jr. follows with 86 monuments, and rounding out the top five as i mentioned st. francis. he has 73 monuments dedicated to him. good evening, everyone. thanks for staying with us. welcome to the second hour of "ayman." still a lot to get to. tensions remain high on capitol hill. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell's blistering letter made it clear democrats are on their own come december when raising the debt ceiling is a crisis upon us, or will democrats manage to pull the legislation through reconciliation? plus, new bombshell reporting from reuters found that at&t has been a sugar daddy for one american news network, believe it or not. i will discuss the role of
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right-wing media and what it plays in our society with my saturday night panel. comedian dave chappell back and controversial as ever. i will break down which comments are causing the most outrage, next. let's get started. the senate vote to temporarily lift the debt ceiling averts disaster in the short term but it is a fleeting fix. it means a halloween "nightmare on elm street" has been preempted and we have two months to look forward to the upcoming nightmare before christmas. that's because congress didn't really settle the matter at all. they only kicked the can down the road to december when we will have to go through the whole debate all over again. now, the debt limit drama this week came close to testing the filibuster, but before it could happen senate minority leader mitch mcconnell caved. he agreed to fight another day,
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and that inspired this reaction from his democratic counterpart senate majority leader chuck schumer. >> republicans played a dangerous and risky partisan game, and i am glad that thank brinksmanship did not work. >> schumer's critique of the gop was apparently too much for conservative democratic senator joe manchin who was seated behind the majority leader as you see on your screen. he couldn't contain his frustration. in fact he got up and walked out tv chamber and quickly found a group of reporters to do, what else, but complain. >> you can't be playing politics, none of us can on both sides, okay, and both sides have been very guilty of this. the frustration built up. i'm sure chuck's frustration was built and it was not the way to take it out. we disagree. >> no surprise republican reaction to all of this was even more severe. watch. >> i thought he was totally out of line. >> why?
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>> well, i just thought it was an incredibly partisan speech after we just helped him solve the problem. >> there's a time to be graceful and there's another -- there's a time to be combative, and that was the time for grace and looking for common ground. >> here is the thing. all of this dangerous squabbling over the debt limit is actually a fairly new phenomenon. let's break it down for you. according to the non-partisan congressional research service, congress has actually enacted 98 separate debt limit modifications since the end of world war ii, including 17 distinct changes in the past 20 years alone. but what was once relatively routine has actually become anything but, especially when democrats are in the white house. during the obama-era republicans in congress, led by mcconnell and fuelled by tea party extremists, brazenly risked default while constantly threatening to shut the government down unless they got their spending cuts. what's different in all of this though this time is that the gop doesn't seem to want anything other than simply chaos.
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in fact, nbc's jonathan allen writes it this way. the trump-dominated republican party has abandoned the concept of leverage. the gop doesn't have a legislative agenda. there is no deal to be because republicans don't want anything from biden but political advantage. that's no way to run an economy or even a country for that matter. let's dig into all of this with our saturday night panel. pete dominick is a stand-up comedian and host of "the stand-up with pete dominick" podcast. liz blank, author of the book "for the love of men, a vision for mindful masculinity." eugene daniels is co-author of politico "playbook" and an msnbc political analyst. guys, it is good to see you. i have been excited to speak to you and get your take on all of the different things we have tonight. eugene, i will start with you. what is your take on this political gamesmanship? could there be benefits to pushing the debate to december or have we just delayed the
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inevitable? >> it is the same fight over and over. giving six weeks won't make it better for the country, it won't make it dangerous no matter what month it is. you don't want it to happen around the holidays, when people need spending money thinking about how strong the economy is. but it gives democrats time to deal with their infrastructure bill, deal with the build back better agenda. it does give them time to figure that out before they have to deal with this issue. but as a country, it is not good that our leaders continue to kick this down the road and the fact that the debt limit is something that was created so we stop borrowing money that the government did that last. it doesn't stop us from doing that and this continues to be a huge problem no matter who is in office, and especially when democrats have power and need help from republicans. >> yeah. pete, the crazy thing in all of this, mitch mcconnell saying the quiet part out loud, saying he's not going to cooperate with the democrats, they're pretty much
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on their own. it brings me to jonathan allen's quote in part, in what he wrote. he said republicans are taking a decidedly trumpian to the possibility of a u.s. default. only a sucker pays debts. is that the legacy of the 45th president, you know, that the republican party now has been made in the image of trump, and that is a guy who did not pay his debts. that is something we all know. >> well, to be fair the republicans didn't pay their debts first. every time someone says, oh, i'm a fiscal conservative i want to say, so you're a democrat. because republicans spend money and don't pay for it. wars, medicare part d, the tax krut, the trump tax cut. they didn't pay for any of that. this debt was created overwhelmingly by republicans. also, the kind of spending democrats want to do is actually good for the economy, health care, education, job opportunities. it really helps not like defense. it is ridiculous to say that you're fiscally conservative and republican, no, you would be a democrat.
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it is hilarious republicans are treating their decision to conclude this crisis, mitch mcconnell is, they're acting like they saved it. they were going to destroy the american and global economy. they're acting like they're doing a personal favor for democrats. it is like kidnapping someone's kid, then negotiating with law enforcement to give the kid back, and then asking for a key to the city. >> that is one heck of an analogy, i have got to say. liz, your take? i see you noding your head. what is your take on how the republicans have played this? because anyone who has a memory longer than a gold fish would remember what republicans did when trump was in office. pete just listed a few of things, the billions of dollars they wrapped up in debt. >> trump. >> sorry, trump. >> absolutely. yeah, i can't agree more. it really shows, you know, we spent the last four years talking about donald trump as being this -- you know, coming out of nowhere, this phenomenon like no other. it was a symptom, and just a continuation, right, of the way
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that the republican party operates. as really like abusers and bullies, right. so you create pay-offs so that you are the one who fixes the chaos, so that people forget that you created the conflict in the first place. so, you know, to the point that everyone has been making, the conflict actually is being put on progressives, right, and progressives are being shown -- particularly the progressive caucus -- as them not being able to sort of let go of these priorities that are like climate change and, you know, making sure that parents continue to have their child credit, small things like that, right, saving the planet so we don't all burn in hell. so it is so important for us as the media really to make sure that when we show who is actually creating the chaos, it is not progressives. yeah, it is mitch mcconnell and republicans. >> i was going to say some people might actually think we are living in hell when you watch how the politics of this is all playing out.
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let's talk about the two bills, eugene, trying to work their way through congress. was it a good idea for democrats to tie the two bills together? are progressives going to get more out of the build back better act by holding up the bipartisan infrastructure bill and, you know, foregoing the good press that would have resulted from its passage or they doing the right thing in that they are linking the two together? which is what they wanted to do from the beginning, by the way, it was their compromise to split it up to try to appease the conservative democrats who wanted to score a bipartisan win, when in reality everybody knew it was not going to carry over to both. >> right, right. i mean i think this was maybe the only way for it to actually work, because think about, you know, rewind months and months ago when we were originally talking about this as kind of one humongous infrastructure, human infrastructure bill and the fact that conservative democrats were saying, no, we're not interested in this bill at all. so they split the bill and then you have a little more interested in the hard infrastructure aspect of this. and i think at the end of the
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day there was going to be a similar fight about what goes into this reconciliation bill, how -- what the top line is going to be, because that was always going to be, you know, progressives were going to want a lot more, in the trillions of dollars. bernie has talked about $6 trillion to $10 trillion and people like joe manchin wanted it to come down to $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion, and that was going to be the problem. the problem is the thing they're going to spend their time doing is finding not the top line, but what they actually want to spend money on because that's something they don't have a handle on just yet. that's going to take them weeks, even though october 31st is the new deadline set by nancy pelosi. >> pete, what is your take on the way this has played out and whether or not, you know, conservative democrats like joe manchin, kyrsten sinema are getting enough pressure from the white house to stop blocking the
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president's agenda and what the people want? this is popular agenda and people want it done, even though it has tremendous support from 48 senators, manchin and sinema seem to be blocking it. >> i don't buy that the biden administration could be doing more. tell me what it is. give them -- they would give joe manchin and kyrsten sinema anything they want. people make historical comparisons to what lyndon b. johnson did, how he twisted arms. there's not much the biden administration can do. they're not going to primary manchin or sinema in either of their states, so they have a lot of power and there's little they can do. i think most progressives including myself are impressed progressives kept together in solidarity and overwhelmingly americans approve of each part of this bill. why? because it will make all of our lives better and save our children's future. you can't cut away any of this. you have to do all of this right now before we lose our democracy.
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so i mean this is it. this is it for joe biden and this is it for america. the stakes could not be higher and progressives have stuck together and overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly in the house and the senate democrats are all in agreement on this. >> pete, not to disagree with you, but i would argue the white house could lean more on joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. the president does subtly say, you know, that he needs these two votes and he has in the past taken these digs at them. i'm not saying he should take a page out of donald trump's book in terms of bashing his fellow party, but could he be out there doing more and calling and name checking joe manchin and kyrsten sinema and saying, it is you guys that are preventing the american people from getting what they want? >> how dare you have me on your show and then disagree with me? i mean i am appalled. i get the point but i think he is trying to be patient. i think if he puts too much pressure on them publicly it turns them away. i think that's part of the strategy, being patient and waiting until the pressure
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mounts from the public, and now he is going on the road which he probably should have done sooner and selling this. that's my analysis. >> wait until we get to the next segment about disagreeing. i'm sure we have a lot to say about dave chappell. liz, how do you see it playing out in december? we've kicked it down the road, we're no closer to a solution whether it was a couple of days ago or december 1st. we are still going to deal with the same mess. >> yes, and it is very, again, evil and smart from mitch mcconnell because now democrats are going -- you know, could try again with joe manchin and kyrsten sinema to increase the debt ceiling. they probably won't be able to do it right through reconciliation. so it is another, you know, sort of thing he can point to that the democrats have failed to do. i would also disagree, you know, it is hard on biden's part to call out members of his own party because, again, that will play into the narratives that democrats are the ones who are creating chaos, not republicans. >> yeah, we will see what happens in december. all right, guys.
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don't go anywhere. we are just getting started. coming up, how did the pro-trump news outlet one america news become mostly funded by at&t? i will discuss it with our all-star saturday panel. plus, this week's hypocrisy outtake. ghost is someone that plays at the top of their game if the sport is political flip-flopping. first richard lui with the headlines. hey, richard. hey, man. a passenger aboard an american airlines flight that landed at new york's laguardia airport was taken into custody saturday. the plane was evacuated on the tarmac due to reports of suspicious and erratic behavior by one of the passengers. according to law enforcement that passenger allegedly said he had a device on board the plane. the boston marathon bomber may face a reinstated death penalty. next week the biden administration will try to persuade the supreme court to review his sentence. the bomber was convicted of all 30 charges he faced from the 2013 attack that killed three people and injured hundreds. actress and producer ava
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all right. so what a week for right-wing media. on tuesday the facebook whistleblower testified in front of congress and exposed how the company is misleading the public as attacks on the social media site piled on. conservatives balked at proposals to regulate their favorite right-wing media. reuters exposed on wednesday how the world's largest communication company at&t helped build one america news. on thursday, fox news marked its 25th anniversary, to celebrate the empire state building is set to be illuminated in red, white and blue.
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what was that about censorship again? let's see what my panel thinks about all of this. guys, i'm curious to get your thoughts. eugene, let me play for you something congressman devin nunes said after that facebook hearing. >> they're using this to sensor conservatives. i think you will see the biden administration use it to try to set up some type of government entity, which as you know, eric, these government entities do what? they're also run by socialists, leftists who do more to harm the united states and distance us conservatives. >> i mean what is your reaction to that, eugene? this is an all elaborate scheme about how socialists are going to take over the media airwaves and sensor right-wing media. >> well, you can't sensor right-wing media because they've been building for years an empire that stretches radio, now
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podcasts, different television networks, the government, having a lot of folks in the government that have their own ways of talking and the books and all of that. so you can't silence or do anything to keep them quiet. i think what is also really important when you are talking about the censorship aspect of this or the cancel draw, that stuff that feels very connected, these are things that sound scary to voters, right. so that is a ploy, a political ploy to get people to vote republican, to continue to watch and stay in this echo chamber on the right. i think it is something you continue to hear and continue to see. i don't think it is going anywhere, especially because the right-wing media seems to be even stronger when you have a president in power who is a democrat. >> yeah. the biggest frustrating thing in all of this, liz, is this narrative the republicans and the right wing has concocted they're the ones being silenced and they're fighting, you know, censorship. reuters reported about this a little bit. the reuters report found, you
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know, that the oan founder and chief executive, robert herring, has testified that the inspiration to launch oan came from at&t executives who actually said they told us they wanted a conservative network. herring said done a 2019 deposition seen by reuters, they only had one, which obviously was fox news, and they had seven others on the, quote, left-wing side. when they said that i jumped to it and built one out. there's a lot to unpack here, but what are your initial thoughts on this reporting and how did this slip under the radar for so long when the executives were the ones that came up with the idea in the first place? >> uh-huh. i always think when someone is trying to convince you of something so hard, it means that they're probably guilty, right. the narrative that conservatives have created that somehow the left wing is completely in charge when it comes to the media ecosystem, they talk about it so much that it really seeds
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a lot of doubt for me. it also seeds a lot of doubt for me not just based on this oan story which is literally not just a parody, but unsurprised given that we know that the media really is run by conservative elites, right. that the interests that align with conservative elites will align with the people who own media. so, you know, plutes are going to plute as our friend anna says all the time. this is a perfect example of this. this myth that somehow journalists are liberal, you know, 80% of journalists vote democrat, we hear it all the time. journalists don't run the media, the owners run the media. that's an important distinction to make, especially with stories like that, about who is in charge. >> lucky for us we have a member of the plutocracy with us.
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fox celebrating their 25th anniversary this week. how much do we owe the other far-right media spawns to fox news? have they contributed to a normalization and to a culture of hate in this country when you look at tucker carlson and the great replacement theory he now espouses from his platform? >> yeah, i am a plutocrat. i do a podcast from my backyard shed, and some day -- >> how many square feet is it, that's the real question. >> yeah. 72. 25 years ago, it was 1996 just before the 2000 election. of course, we know what happened there. just before 9/11, we know what happened there. fox news brought us into iraq. they brought us the berther lie about barack obama, the financial crisis, denial about climate change. they basically created a media atmosphere in a country where they united republicans and conservatives against the rest of us. they made people believe that
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things aren't happening and that -- people don't believe that climate change is happening. they don't believe that covid is real. so there's a reality issue now. they have two different -- you know, earth one, earth two. i think fox news has led the way on that. they're not the only one. now you have oan and at&t, you know, completely funding them only because they wanted probably a negotiating tactic with fox news to have some competition. so, you know, fox news isn't even extreme enough. they need these other networks to convince americans that the moon is made of cheese and that i'm going to eat your baby. >> yeah, the extremism is just going more and more. there is a disinformation pandemic in this, and there's also a distrust issue, eugene, i want to talk to you about because i know it is something that obviously matters to folks like you, journalists like you who do good work and want to make sure they're doing the best reporting. you have a gallup pop that says only 7% of americans have a great deal of trust in reports
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appearing in newspapers, on television outlets. 29% had a fair amount of trust in the media. i'm curious to get your thoughts on what may have caused the distrust in the first place. how much did trump's fake news campaign contribute to the rhetoric? how much did fox news pretending it is not mainstream and bashing mainstream media, and how much are we guilty, taking a critical self look as well? >> i think no one is innocent in this, right. you look at the years and years of people not trusting journalists, not trusting the media. it didn't start with donald trump. i believe it got worse under donald trump, the way he talked about us and treated us. i have been to a trump rally, you know, where you have been yesterday at, people say -- you, "politico." i wore my "politico" badge, probably not the smartest move on my part. but it is all connected. you have fox news to bashes the
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media, you have people on talk shows that dress like journalists, talk like journalists but aren't that. it makes it confusing for the american people. i think it is part of the legacy of fox news and will continue to do so. when you look at reporters, the click bait and all of this, it is part of this because you have the american people not knowing how much they knowing how much they can trust, that the headline and story will be the same thing and sometimes they're not. i think that means that we need to change the way that we do things, because if we don't have a strong press in this country it is scary and really dangerous. >> hey, liz, how difficult do you think it is going to be to combat misinformation on social media? what is your take on that? is there a way to combat it? what is the right approach? >> yeah, i think it is extremely difficult. there's so many -- i could go on a whole lecture about this, but to eugene's point, i mean this puts journalists at risk, but it
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puts our most marginalized at risk, right. the people most at the margins, who have the most to lose really are the ones most affected when misinformation is allowed to spread. we know just from this week that they spoke to the whistleblower. we know all of this research around teenage girls, right, and what is happening to our children, right. what happens to people when they're told not to trust the media, that they rely on their own research, right, whether to get a vaccine or whether to do things for their health. that's very important. so we have a lot to lose if we don't take this issue really seriously. >> all right, guys. stick around for us. we have a lot more to discuss. . coming up, outrage over dave chappell's new special continues to grow. has he finally gone too far? we will discuss it when we come right back. don't go anywhere.
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he looks as if he is about to say something. what could he possibly have left to say? >> all right. it was morgan freeman promoting dave chappell's new comedy special "the closer." netflix says it is the third most-watched show in the u.s. today. meanwhile, activists are calling it trans foeber, homophobic and anti-semitic. glaad said chappelle's brand has become synonymous. back with me pete dominick, liz plank and eugene daniels. i will go first and take incoming in this. i watch it this afternoon and i thought it was hilarious. i thought it was really funny and i respect a lot of people will find it offensive, and it was offensive. i'm not going to lie. it was offensive, but it raises the question as to what we expect from our comedians. that's what i want to get to you guys to answer.
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you tweeted out, last week, chappelle is your favorite of all time. do you still feel that way? >> yeah. i mean he -- you take an artist, their entire body of work. you can even separate the art from the artist in a case like bill cosby or something, but i was never really a huge fan of his comedy. yeah, chappelle is special. killing him softly is my favorite. i know him. i have been doing stand-up for 12 years. he is respected in the comedy community. he is arguably the greatest of his generation, if not of all time, but it is subjective. i watched the special and i found myself laughing quite a bit but i found myself being offended in several places. i mean i don't even like it when people call women the "b" word much less a lot -- he says the "n" word with a hard "r." i don't like that. i don't like a lot of what he was saying, but, you know, i -- there was a lot of problematic
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issues. i think that, you know, the best people to speak on this are black trans women especially because they've been so victimized in this country. i think intersectionality is a good word and theory that does a lot of work and should be applied here. dave kind of is talking about black versus gay, and i think to some extent with comedians like dave and other men in this country and black men, white men, having a hard time losing kind of the hierarchy, the dominance we have had. dave could go after so many other issues, i'm not sure why he is so focused on this one. i do think it is really problematic for sure. >> yeah. part of the genius of dave chappelle is the narrative that he weaves. to your point, why is he weaving this narrative? is it because the narrative of going after trans or gay people is drawing this attention? at the end of the day, let's be honest, it is a business. he wants viewership as much as anybody else does, netflix does.
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he says he is jealous of the movement that gay rights has made. look at this clip. watch. >> i can't help feel like if slaves have baby oil and booty shorts we might have been free 100 years sooner, you know what i mean? >> now, he says his problem is not with gays, it is with white people. he always kind of frames everything in his conversation in that narrative about that. do comments like that suggest there is a blind spot with regard to pete's point, intersectionality, the idea that people can have multiple interconnected identities? you can be black and gay. >> yeah, like me. you can be other things. there is a blind spot for a lot of people when it comes to these kind of things. i think something -- you know, pete is talking about how much, how i has always loved dave chappelle and he is a master of his craft, that's true. we also know he has proven himself time and time again able to understand and make insightful jokes about power, about power structures.
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so it is unlikely he doesn't understand or know how marginalized trans people are in this country. this is all forcing the conversation that is healthy, that we should be having. the fact that you are a member of a marginalized community does not stop you from, prevent you from causing harm to another. i think that is something that is kind of undergirding this entire conversation about dave chappelle. he is probably not going to stop making these jokes. it is unclear why he keeps going back to it over and over. he doesn't really speak on it after, right. he doesn't do a lot of interviews explaining his jokes, comedians don't do that. so netflix doesn't seem like they're going to pull it because a lot of people are watching it, like you said, ayman. i think the hope is that the rest of us are having a conversation about how marginalized trans people are, especially black and brown trans women of color, because jokes can lead to the dehumanization of people and then that can lead to violence. it is not that dave chappelle is
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causing people to go out and kill trans people of color but it doesn't happen. >> liz, speaking of trans, there's a trans activist on twitter said trans people aren't reacting strongly to chappelle because they have thin skin. she wrote, what we object to is the harm that content like this does to the trans community and very specifically black trans women. i'm curious to get your thoughts. >> i think it is just a shame because what dave chappelle did is what white women do all the time that i find really annoying, is that we don't see -- we fail to see ourselves as both the oppressor and the oppressed. that's actually a unique opportunity for us to act as human beings who understand what it is like to be subjugated but have the privilege to do something about it. so i'm really disappointed. i'm also disappointed, there's a
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part in the show where he says, i miss the old days, i miss the stonewall days. >> yeah. >> the stonewall days, okay, if you know history have a black trans woman to thank for the stonewall riots because marsha p. johnson, who everybody should know about, she should be taught about in schools, she is one of the biggest civil rights leaders of our time and also the first person who threw the first brick in the stonewall riots reportedly. so marsha p. johnson, a black trans woman of color is why we are here today. we have her to thank. these kinds of jokes have consequences. this isn't just comedy. it leads to bigotry. there's an entire political ecosystem that thrives off of these jokes. we know that trans kids, half of them have seriously considered killing themselves. children have seriously considered killing themselves, right. half of them. that is because of the cultural ecosystem that we live in where
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we think that they are the butt of a joke or we think that their lives matter less because of who they are. i just hate to see adults, educated adults use their platform to, instead of protecting these kids endangering them further. >> he invoked -- sorry, pete. did you want to say something about that? >> i just wanted to -- just the caveat. i don't disagree with anything that liz said. as a matter of fact, i think dave chappelle and all of us would be better people if we read one of the best and most influential books of my life. it is right here. this is by my co-panelist when i'm so honor to be on, "for the love of men." liz wrote the book and dave chappelle would benefit and all men would i think by reading it. i just wants to say, you know, the comedians first job is to make you laugh. if they make you think, it is great. it is not like they're
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principals, governors or policymakers or anything. the first goal is to laugh. >> to that point i was going to say he does invoke a story about a personal friend of his that was trans. he talks about this in a very powerful way i think. what i got out of it, and i'm happy to be corrected on this, but i felt he was trying to weave a narrative of empathy which he was trying to say he wants to look beyond identity and be empathetic to the person in front of us, and if we can all be empathetic that will bond us. obviously we have different ideas. liz just told me that your check is in the mail for promoting. i love it. >> i will -- you can give it to dave, he can read it. >> pete, give the book to dave chappelle. thank you guys so much for joining us this evening.
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an alternative to pain pills voltaren is the first full prescription strength gel for powerful arthritis pain relief... voltaren the joy of movement all right. so flip-flopping is all too common in politics. that's not a surprise. in fact, it is hard to find a politician who hasn't changed their position or contradicted themselves at some point during their careers. but one politician has consistently set themselves apart from the pack. i'm talking, of course, about former south carolina governor nikki haley who also served as former president trump's ambassador to the united nations. over her long and distinguished career as a flip-flopper, she has unleashed some real doozies. take this gem from a speech she gave this week at the ronald reagan library. >> take it from me, first female and first minority governor of south carolina, america is not a racist country.
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>> it is a line she has used in the past including at the republican national convention last year, and the only problem is it completely contradicts what she actually lived, her own lived experience. >> brown girl in a black and white world. we face discrimination and hardship. >> you also say that as a child you would see people sort of staring at your dad, even in one case the police were called because he was shopping at a road side stand and you said it made you sad for him. >> it did make me sad because i knew they don't know him the way i knew him. >> i hate to break it to you, that is textbook racism. now, the good news is racism doesn't exist in south carolina anymore, and it is all thanks to governor haley. >> we really kind of fixed all of that when you elected the first indian american female governor, when we appointed the first african-american u.s. senator. that sent a huge message.
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>> she has had to deal with a number of racial issues throughout her political career. on june 17th, 2015, nine black people were gunned down at a bible study at the emanuel a.m.e. church in charleston, south carolina, a tragic and horrific situation for the people of her state and a tough spot for any governor to find themselves in. here is her chance to show her people the steady leadership they need, right? no. on june 19th, two days after that shooting, with debate raging over whether to remove the confederate flag from state house grounds, she said she didn't want to go there. she said she was, quote, not doing that to the people of my state. here she is at a press conference three days later. >> today we are here in a moment of unity in our state, without ill will, to say it is time to move the flag from the capital grounds. >> so former governor haley has flip-flopped on all sorts of issues. on august 18th during the chaos
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of the united states impending withdrawal from afghanistan, hailey tweeted this out. negotiating with the taliban is like dealing with the devil. haley must have felt differently when she worked for trump, you know, the guy who kicked off direct negotiations with the taliban. he even wanted to invite them to camp david on september 11th. she later would go on to praise trump's plan to negotiate with the taliban after she took a trip to afghanistan in 2018. now, trump in particular has presented a gold mine of flip-flopping opportunities for haley. she can't seem to make up her mind about him. in fact, in february shortly after the january 6th insurrection that president trump and his allies incited, she said this to "politico." we need to acknowledge he let us down. he went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him and we can't let that ever happen again. now, speaking about the future of the republican party, she went on to say, quote, i don't think he's going to be in the picture. i don't think he can.
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he's fallen so far. now, you'll likely not be surprised she has actually changed her tune once again. in fact, since then here is what she told the "wall street journal" about trump just this week. he has a strong legacy from his administration. we need him in the republican party. i don't want us to go back to the days before trump. that, ladies and gentlemen, that's what it takes. haley's flip-flopping from laughable to dangerous. that's why it is so dangerous in all of this. does she actually stand for anything? will she ever truly stand up to trump and his brand of authoritarianism? will she even say anything the next time trump and his sycophants try to subvert democracy? still, it is hard not to recognize when someone is performing at the top of their game. that's why we here on this show would like to present her with the nikki haley lifetime achievement award for excellence
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in a sport dominated by male bravado and appearing tough, fury's career has been about battling. a month before testing positive for cocaine in two random drug tests, fury ended up leaving the sport for two years. in a recent interview he said my anxiety is terrible. i believe anxiety is one of the worst things anyone can have. he has talked about his mental health struggles that led him to suicidal thoughts. >> i was in a dark room and crying out to god to help me. i trained for two or three days thinking it is too hard, go back on the drink. i can wake up in the morning, everything is fine. the afternoon i can commit suicide. >> since then fury's most important fight has been outside the ring, becoming a tireless advocate and fighter for mental wellness it other athletes are doing it too. naomi ozaki left the u.s. open
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early after opening up about her battles with anxiety and simone biles withdrew from the olympic games this year citing mental health struggles. these athletes are helping to remove the stigma often associated with mental health in sports and society at large. it is okay to talk about it and to seek help. there's nothing wrong with taking care of yourself first and foremost. tonight it is shaping up to be one for the ages. both boxes have been inactive since february of 2020 due to the pandemic. the fight was originally scheduled for july 24th, but after fury tested positive for covid it was delayed. fans are concerned about the boxer's stamina in later rounds. as for wilder, he is fighting for redemption and honor after his knockout in the last bout. he had a large of excuses, ranging from tampered gloves, spiked water, to his costume weighing him down. he plans to wear an equally
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