decisions. speaker pelosi is telling democrats they may have to pick and choose their agenda priorities in order to get the biden agenda done. we'll hear from the speaker about 30 minutes from now live. plus, stopping a debt ceiling disaster. today the house will vote on that short-term fix to the debt limit, but they're pushing the hard questions off by about two months. december means a lot of difficult decisions will be converging all at understand, incluing things like dental coverage for medicare recipients. ahead i'll talk to agriculture secretary tom vilsack about expanding the free lunch program and more. and the latest plot point in the real life espionage drama. right now, an american accused

of hiding restricted information about nuclear powered submarines in a peanut butter sandwich is in court and so is his wife, accused of assisting him. and we start with the latest from our nation's capitol. ali vitali on capitol hill, mike memoli at the white house and carlos robello. the house expected to vote today on that debt limit raise. do you expect that to be relatively drama free? >> it's a question asked with so much hope. this is one that we do expect to be relatively drama free, the house coming back from their recess just a little bit early. they'll leave town again after this vote is over. it sets up the official start of kicking this can down the road, making sure congress has to deal

with this crisis as well as government funding as we hit that part of early december. nothing says christmas like dealing with the u.s. economy. this is certainly going to be one of those moments where congress will likely take both of these crises in tandem, dealing with extending the debt ceiling again as well as continuing to fund the government. >> when the speaker does start, i think we're all expecting to hear a lot about these ongoing negotiations on the democrats' big spending priorities. last night she sent a letter to colleagues acknowledging they've got difficult decisions to make where she writes, quote, overwhelmingly the guidance i'm receiving from members is to do fewer things well so we can still have a transformative impact. that's presuming less money spent in total. i spoke with the chairman of the budget committee for some

insight. >> i come down on the side of taking several of the most critical priorities that we have and concentrating on them. we can do another budget reconciliation package next year. for instance, and this is just hypothetically, the dental provision we're proposing to add to medicare doesn't go into effect until 2028 as currently written. we could put that in a budget reconciliation package next year. even if you agree with me, there's not total consensus on which the most important priorities are. >> even in that hypothetical example, you're going to have a ton of debate within the democratic party about just that one single priority. talk a little bit about the kind of battles we could see et up for democrats, who are trying to keep everybody on board as they move these packages forward. >> reporter: this has always been a balancing act. even on that one specific priority, if you take that out, that threatens to anger senator

sanders, who has already said this bill is far smaller than he wanted it to be. he wanted it to be 6 trillion at the outset of these negotiations. now it's been pared down from 1.9 to 2.2 trillion. senator manchin's number is 1 1.5 trillion. less policy priorities for the duration of this ten-year span. that's one way of doing it. progressives have long said they've wanted to do more and maybe sunset some of the things they're trying to do here. the thinking being if you do all of the policy agenda items they want, even if it's for a shorter time, americans will see what the policies can do for them and then there will be a grassroots pressure on lawmakers to

solidify those programs. those were always two competing sets of thoughts here when you think about getting to the price tag senators are comfortable with. that's the balancing act here and that's what we're going to hear from nancy pelosi. she has really been herding cats the entire time, all of the disparate fractions of her caucus. what i've heard consistently from these lawmakers, they feel like this is the time to do a once in a lifetime set of legislating for a lot of progressive priorities. and what they'd also continue to say is, this is president biden's agenda and his shot at a real legislative package that's substantive. they don't want to blow it. >> this is president biden's agenda. we know that speaker pelosi doesn't make these decisions in a vacuum. you have to assume she's saying these things in consultation with the white house. what has the white house

signalled or hinted at that they might be able to drop if they go that route? >> reporter: there's been a bit of deference on the part of the white house to speaker pelosi in terms of the leadership in congress. what would the president support dropping in getting to a final vote yes? it's whatever gets 218 votes in the house. there are some clues, though. one from his schedule for the coming week, the white house announcing today he's going to head to connecticut to speak about child care. even that issue of child care could mean different things. is it universal prekindergarten or the expansion of the child care tax credit. the other must do is the climate related provisions. that has to do with travel we expect the white house to

announce. the president indicating he's heading to glasgow, scotland, where the president hopes to be able to say to his fellow world leaders here is what i have done here in the u.s. and we need all of you to up the ante to combat climate change. the best signal into how president biden views this is something he said at an early stage a few months ago, which is he wants to get the biggest package possible now. then as he put it, you fight over the rest. whether fighting over the rest means another reconciliation bill in the year or whether it means we need to elect more democrats to the house and particularly to the senate. i think that's how this president views it. we want to make a case for what we can do now and build on that in the future. >> i think it would be a mistake to gloss over what yarmuth said there. we've been thinking about this as the last train leaving the station in congress. if it's not, that changes the possibilities here.

congressman, i want to go back to the idea that one of the other schools of thought here is if you do everything but for less time, you potentially set up cliffs and votes where you dare future congresses to let popular programs expire. if we operate under the historical framework where the next congress is possible, if not likely, to be republican-controlled, how risky is that gamble if democrats were to go that route and say, all right, we're going to settle these things up and dare a 2023 republican congress not to renew those programs? >> well, democratic leadership is telling its more progressive members to be pragmatic, to get as much as they can now, make that as durable as possible and not risk it if republicans take over the house, probably even the senate next year. all of this is consistent with four parties in congress,

liberal democrats, centrist democrats, centrist republicans and more conservative republicans. that's why when you do get the majority, as nancy pelosi is experiencing now, it is difficult. this is not different from what john boehner and paul ryan went through some years ago where the freedom caucus would call for more, never settle for anything. and a lot of times everyone got nothing. obviously republicans paid a heavy political price. i think what speaker pelosi is saying is let's be smart about this, let's give ourself the best chance of getting what we believe is good policy and not ruin our chances to hold the house in 2022. >> what do you see as the relative risk here if democrats do get nothing? you've got debt limit, infrastructure, government funding, the budget bill. the only people who like deadlines more than reporters are members of congress.

but is there substantial risk if they get jammed, this congress funds the government, pushes back the debt ceiling somehow and everything else falls apart? >> i think they will sort everything out, but there is some risk here. some of this is becoming personal. some of the centrist democratic members in the house, i'm not just talking joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, they feel very insulted. they feel hurt that their colleagues have blocked the bipartisan infrastructure package, which they believe is important for the country and also for their own reelection. so this is starting to become personal. the more personal it becomes -- and i lived this on the republican side of the aisle, the more personal it becomes, the harder it is to get something done. so there is some risk here that democrats end up getting nothing. that's exactly what speaker pelosi and the white house are now trying to convey to these

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this morning some 84 million americans who have gotten either the moderna vaccine or the johnson & johnson shot could soon learn if they will qualify for a booster. an fda advisory panel is set to meet this week. the meetings come as new covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths are all trending down. it's one of the many encouraging signs we're seeing this week.

allison barber is in springfield, missouri, where officials have just opened up a mass vaccination site. you're at this new mass vaccination site that can serve up to 500 people a day. we've been seeing these sites shut down across the country. what are you seeing from this new site? >> reporter: i don't know how much time you have spent in fitting rooms in department stores, but this is a dressing room. this is an old department store they have turned into a mass vaccination site. they can vaccinate up to 500 people a day here. it just opened yesterday. officials said they made the decision to open a site like this when so many places have opted to shut them down because of demand. they said that you had people

wanting to get vaccinated with their third booster shot. you had people who had younger children who wanted to come and get them vaccinated. they're hoping soon even younger children will be eligible to get vaccinated. then they said some people waited for whatever reason and were not vaccinated even though they has been eligible for quite a while now, making the decision to get vaccinated. they thought this was the perfect time to open up another mass vaccination site to make it as easy as possible for people who want to roll up their sleeves. this county, just over 50% of people here are fully vaccinated. here's the county health director. >> we have some work to do, because we have to figure out how to make that convenient and compelling for people. news of personal loss and personal illness or illness that affects a child, we've seen a lot more children getting sick. that's changed people's minds.

>> reporter: so many missouri, the seven-day average of new infection rates is 40% less than it was exactly one month ago. there are promising signs on the ground here. as we've seen state after state, the drop in new infections, the drop in hospitalizations, it's partly because more people have gotten vaccinated. it's also because a lot of people have gotten sick over the summer as the delta variant spread. officials keep trying to emphasize that the cdc doctors m recommend even if you've had covid-19 you get vaccinated because the antibodies from a vaccine tend to be much stronger than natural immunity antibodies and those antibodies can vary person to person. officials running the site are really hoping that the ease of coming to a place like this will make people who didn't get vaccinated at all just drop in.

>> what is driving people to mass vaccination sites, to their local pharmacies? what's working to get first shots in arms now? >> we're also starting to see employers mandating vaccination. we know that employer mandates really do work. in new york city, for example where i am, mandates around health care workers, for school staff, those mandates have resulted in vaccination rates well into the high 90s. as osha finalizes rules around this for players with 100 or more employees, you're going to see a lot more mandates go into effect and people will need to get vaccinated to keep their jobs.

>> the fda is expected to evaluate the boosters for both moderna and johnson & johnson later this week. do you have any indication what they're likely to do here? what about this question of mixing vaccines? my understanding is the johnson & johnson in particular relies on a different technology all together? >> with respect to johnson & johnson and boosters, i think there's pretty widespread agreement among doctors and scientists that those people do likely need a booster shot. the question will be is it with another dose of johnson & johnson or one of the others. moderna is holding up pretty well, better than pfizer vaccine. one question i have is will recommendations for moderna be as broad as they are for pfizer or be more restricted. with respect to the mix and match studies, nih has been conducting mix and match with all of the possible

combinations. that's nine possibilities of what you got first, what get as a booster. i think that data will be really helpful in guiding people as to what vaccine they should get as a booster in the coming months. >> we've got the federal mask or testing mandate set to get started soon. you've also got governor greg abbott down in texas who just issued an executive order that would prohibit any entity, including private businesses, from imposing vaccination requirements on employers or customers. what do you make of that move by the texas governor, especially as texas is coming out of its summer spike? >> we're certainly going to see legal challenges around that. i do think these kinds of mandates are going to be really important across the country to boost our vaccination coverage rates. you'll see osha doing spot inspections. you'll see fines.

very importantly, you have inspectors embedded in every single workplace in the form of the workers who work there. they can report those violations, the lack of vaccine mandates and enforcement to osha. >> i've had it said to me by doctors and employers, it is a testing mandate. the vaccination is the way out of it. that's the way a lot of people politically are trying to watch those mandates, particularly in red states where they may be less popular. thank you for your time. any minute now we expect to see house speaker nancy pelosi for her weekly briefing. what she'll say about those difficult decisions democrats face on their big spending bill. and funding school lunch programs. democrats want to add funding to help more kids get free school lunches.

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a maryland couple accused of trying to slip military secrets to a foreign country just made

their first appearance in federal court. on monday prosecutors asked for navy engineer jonathan toebbe to be locked up on charged that he tries to sell secrets to a foreign country with his wife. obviously cameras aren't allowed in the courtroom. what have you learned? >> reporter: i was able to see because we were able to watch it via a zoom link. the most striking thing to me was that each of the couple appeared separately. both were wearing orange jailhouse jumpsuits. other than that, the hearing was uneventful. they were read their rights and scheduled for both a detention hearing and a preliminary hearing. it just underscored to me how sort of unremarkable this couple is. i've been going through their social media accounts. there's no nothing that would

suggest any cloak and dagger or political activism. we're talking about a man who is a nuclear physicist, was a commissioned officer in the navy. his wife diana, a phd in ant anthropology from emory university. the big questions still not answered are which country were they trying to sell these nuclear secrets toallegedly and what motivation other than money? we know jonathan toebbe asked for up to $5 million for those secrets that he possessed. it seems to me there's something else going on with this case. was there an idealogical motive? both seemed to be very left

leaning. >> ken delanian, thank you. meanwhile, this is a live look now at where any second nancy pelosi is set to give her weekly update to reporters. there are plenty of topics including the scheduled vote for the house to raise the debt ceiling and also where democrats stand on the nation's build back better bill. we'll take you there live in a moment. one of the questions the speaker and her caucus will have to answer is what cuts are going to have to be made in order to get it passed? democrats have laid out 35 billion in funding for child nutrition programs. right now it's not clear if that figure will ultimately make it into the final bill. what is clear is the need for programs like this. this happens to be national school lunch week and the biden administration is hoping to

highlight the role the program plays in helping students across the country. the president says the pandemic has amplified how crucial it's been for children who rely on those meals. joining me is agriculture secretary tom vilsack. this program is obviously facing a lot of the same economic issues and headwinds that the rest of the country is facing. the "washington post" reported recently, quote, with the school year in full swing, product shortfalls, delivery delays, labor shortages have pushed the nation's public school meal programs to a crisis point. you recently announced a $1.5 billion additional boost for the school lunch program. but the experts aren't sure that's even going to be enough. what does this program need to be financially helpful to meet the needs of students around the country? >> right now 30 million children

depend on school lunch and many of them are also dependent on school breakfast. in some schools they're fortunate enough to receive a supper program as well. the key is making sure we continue to provide nutritious meals. notwithstanding the challenges, that's being done. because this is national school lunch week, we want to celebrate these folks who are working to provide these meals. i just saw an incredible array o lunches here for students at riverdale. schools are making these meals delicious and nutritious and that's the goal. >> i can't tell you how many times i've heard speaker pelosi talk about the work for the children in congress. i wonder where does the school lunch program fall on the president's priority list for build back better? is this must include at that $35 billion level? can it be trimmed?

how does the white house see this particular portion of that bill? >> i think the president understands there's a definite nexus between nutrition and educational excellence. i think he also understands and appreciates the connection between proper nutrition and better health care and lower health care costs. this is an investment that pays for itself in a sense. whatever level congress ultimately decides, we want to make sure nutrition is part of the build back better strategy because that's the future and we want to make sure we invest in it. >> how involved have you been in these negotiations personally? >> i've done a lot of activities with members of congress to showcase aspects of the build back better agenda, whether it's infrastructure or the care side. i think they understand and appreciate the importance of agriculture and climate change.

they certainly understand the nutrition aspect of this. i think the entire cabinet has been engaged and involved in this, because we realize how important it is for the country. we've got to build the infrastructure of this country. that includes human infrastructure. we've got to make it easier for families to do what they need to do to take care of the children of this country and obviously nutrition is part of that. >> you were governor of iowa at the same time joe manchin was governor of west virginia. kind of similar states here with similar sets of priorities. how does your experience in that job influence how you might talk to more moderate members about the needs that would be addressed by passing that bigger bill? >> i think the members regardless of where they are on the political spectrum understand and appreciate the importance of this to the future of the country. i wouldn't be surprised if senator manchin understands fully and completely the importance of school meals, understands the significance of

the summer feeding program that helps feed 22 million kids. i think he understands the nexus between educational achievement, health care costs and so forth. i don't think any member of congress has to be schooled. i think they have to work through the process. i think the president has been incredibly patient and the time has come for folks to reach a consensus to send a strong message to the country that we understand and appreciate our responsibilities to govern and to lead. we're about that. the president is certainly about that. i think at the end of the day you're going to see a significant investment in not just the physical infrastructure but also the human infrastructure of this country. it's a once in a lifetime, once in a generation. we should not pass it up. >> secretary vilsack out there in prince george's county. i appreciate you coming on. we're going to turn now to speaker pelosi, who has just

started her remarks. >> countries with the technology and sources to meet theirs. they are not responsible for many of their missions, but they pay a big price in terms of rising sea levels and encroachment of deserts, melting of glaziers, drying up of rivers and the rest that have an impact on their lives. it's a very big issue. the world health organization has just issued something in the last 24 hours, i believe, that they think that the climate issue is the biggest health challenge that we have. it is a health issue. clean air, clean water for our children. it's a jobs issue. good green jobs for many more people to take advantage of the opportunities they present. it's a national security issue,

as our foreign policy experts tell us that the competition for habitat resources, et cetera, is a security issue, because of the migrations that it may cause from drought and famine and all the rest of natural disasters that spring from that. it is a moral issue as well. we have a moral responsibility to pass this planet on in a responsible way to future generations. that was much of the conversation i was able to to have with his holiness pope francis. it was so thrilling to bring the greetings of the congress to his holiness, to thank him for his strong message on climate and to continue on that conversation as we prepare for glasgow.

it was just a remarkable experience to have that private audience with his holyness and to bring the thanks and gratitude of our colleagues and his blessings back to us. then i was in the region to join a congressional delegation, a bipartisan delegation in portugal for the nato meeting. the over was g 20 et cetera and this was the nato meeting, presided over by our own jerry connolly. congressman connolly of virginia has been elected for the entire nato parliamentary assembly. he is the president of it, so he presided over the presentations by the president of portugal, the prime minister, the speaker and of course the secretary

general of nato. and i had the privilege, once again, to address them and talk about women and security. i was honored to receive their first award in that regard. if you want, i can talk more about that. the whole time, though, we were all focused on building back better. the europeans and others were interested in what was happening here. of course, these discussions went into the nights because of the time difference. we had some important decisions to make in the next few days so that we can proceed. i'm very disappointed that we're not going with the original $3.5 trillion, which was very transformative.

but whatever we do, we'll make decisions that will continue to be transformative about women in the workplace. so transformed because of child care and universal pre-k. men benefit too but largely women and women are those caregivers as well. not only to free up women to go into the workplace for their own professions and interests, but also to recognize the work women do in providing that health care, issues that relate to family medical leave and the rest. the build back better is three baskets. it's climate, health, jobs, security and moral responsibility. it's health care and the issues that relate to the affordable care act, medicare and medicaid

and family care. i mentioned some of those issues already. so whatever we do, it will be transformative, it will produce results and we are very grateful to our president for saying i want to pass the bipartisan legislation on infrastructure, but i will not confine my vision for the future to what can be in that bill. hence, we need the build back better. in addition to that, of course, again, let me just say that's a very important jobs bill. it's a jobs bill and it's a bill about our children and it is about our values. i'm pretty excited about the prospect that we have to make some difficult decisions because we have fewer resources. but nonetheless, no diminishing of our commitment to a

transformative agenda for the children. as you know, we're back today to do the debt ceiling. this will go until nearly $500 billion until december 3rd. in the meantime we'll be working to try to have bipartisanship, as we always have had on that legislation. let me just say some of the things that could happen if we do not achieve that. if we don't lift the ceiling, it could be a loss of 6 million jobs, $15 trillion in household wealth and drastically increase the cost of car loans, mortgages, student loans, credit cards. domestically -- i mean at the

kitchen table domestically, it will have a tremendous impact. it's about the economy. preventing decline in the gdp of up up to 4% and a surge in the unemployment rate. right now we're recovering from a pandemic. a default would send shock waves through global financial markets. employers around the world would likely begin to have to lay off workers. again, this is a report from the white house. again, it's about kitchen table. it's about our economy, global economy, but it's also about our constitution, which says the full faith and credit of the united states shall not be in doubt, 14th amendment, section 4. as the validity of the public debt of the united states

authorized by law shall not be questioned. okay. any questions? let me reward those that were here the most. let me talk to some of the women first. >> the supply chain that we're seeing right now, the disruption going on. we're seeing ports running at 60% capacity. we're closing at night and on sundays. do you think that the president right now should be talking to the unions and perhaps asking them to loosen up some of their worker regulations so they can work more often? >> the supply chain issue is not just an issue of what happens here. the supply chain issue is an issue globally. that was something we talked about at the meeting. there are obstructions in other countries of product even making it to the ships to come to our

countries. we've got to address that issue because it has a direct impact on everything, because we are so dependent on global trade and our trade going out as well. yes, sir. >> he said that we should do fewer things well. that's the guidance he got from the members. are you suggesting this packet should drop child care, family leave or even the medicare expansion? >> let me just say that our $3.5 trillion we were doing everything well. not a question of now we're doing it well because it's less money. but the fact is that if there are fewer dollars to spend, there are choices to be made. members have said let's get the results that we need. but we will not diminish the

transformative nature of what it is. some members have written back to me and said i want to do everything. so we'll have that discussion. again, in the family section of it, the transformative nature of the biden child tax credit, child care and universal pre-k go together. they're part of meeting the same need. issues that relate to home health care. we're still talking about a couple of trillion dollars. it's much less. mostly we would be cutting back on years and something like that. >> would you have to drop one of those programs? >> well, we hope not. we have to make sure we have a bill, which i always said is we have to have something that will pass the house and pass the

senate. i'm not asking members to vote for something that has no chance to pass in the senate. >> i'm optimistic that we will get to where we need to be in a timely fashion. >> two-part question -- >> are two parts allowed? there are a lot of questions. >> do you believe you'll get this done this month still? and also on the debt limit, are you still of the view you should not do this as reconciliation? >> yeah, i did tell you that, didn't i? >> i don't think you did actually. >> you asked me and i said no. maybe i didn't recognize you with the mask. again, i'm optimistic. these decisions have to be made. there's been a lot of discussion and we are a democratic party. we are not a rubber stamp or a lockstep party. we have our discussions.

i'm very proud of the values that all the members have brought to the table, the knowledge of the issues they're advancing that they bring and the realization that even at 3.5 you have to make decisions. we have to make tighter decisions now. my last letter previous to this i said, everybody, sharpen your pencil. it's an old phrase. nobody uses a pencil anymore. but sharpen your pencil literally, figuratively and every other way. in terms of the debt ceiling, we're just hoping we can do this in a bipartisan way. there are all kinds of suggestions that members have, one that really was endorsed a while back by mitch mcconnell,but who knows. the manifestation of it now, mr. yarmuth and mr. boyle have put

forth, puts the responsibility on the secretary of the treasury to make the determination to lift the debt ceiling. that decision could be overruled by the congress. it would take 60 votes under the present custom, but nonetheless congress would have to overrule that. that seems to have some appeal to both sides of the aisle because of the consequences to people of not lifting it. many democrats and republicans have voted against lifting the debt ceiling, but never to the extent of jeopardizing it. this is the first time. >> are you in favor of that idea? >> i think it has merit, yes. but in the meantime we're going to pass a bill today to take us to december with the hope that when people realize what the

implications are -- this is not a technical thing. this has ramifications from the kitchen table to our economy to global and constitutional. >> speaker pelosi, build back better build is the irs wracking down. banks are starting to get calls from customers and they're concerned about the tracking of transactions greater than $600. do you think this paid for cracking down is going to say in the reconciliation bill? what do you say to americans concerned about that? >> yes, with all due respect, the plural of anecdote is not data. if people are blacking the law and not paying their taxes one

way to track them, but yes. >> speaker pelosi. our latest poll shows that 20% of americans describe themselves as knowing a lot of specific things that are in the reconciliation package and the majority don't know anything at all. do you think you need to do a better job mess anning and going forward? >> i think you could do a better job of selling it, frankly. but it is true, it is hard to breakthrough when you have such a prehen sieve package. . for example, one of the things

in the bill is the continuation of the child tax credit that is in the rescue package. that has great appeal. do people know where it is springing from? no, but it is vast, it has a lot in it, and we have to continue to make sure the public does, but whether they know it or not, they support it, and women more than men. >>. >> what would be the first to go to get the price of the package down? >> you must be kidding. that is a negotiation. that's not something that i would be announcing here and i don't even know what that would be. i don't know what would be the first to go. what would be probably in timing that, the timing would be reduced in many cases to make the cause slower. but it would only be in such a way that does not undermine the

transformative nature of it. some of it has to have enough money for it to have sustainability that is something that can be counted on. the first thing would be timing. thank you. thank you all. >> by the way, i have to go, i have a foreign minister coming to my office now, he is in washington for meetings with the administration, and i will have a bipartisan meeting with him and perhaps some of you will even attend our press availability in a short period welcome but it is pretty exciting to welcome him here to once again take great pride in the relationship between israel and the united states. that israel's security is essential to u.s. secure. that we have those values. but also values and to talk about some of the issues about

it. a two-state solution, it had to be a solution, to commend them for their work. the i'd railies have been in the lead on covid. a small country, but big enough to make an impact for us to learn from. i'm very excited about that meeting and perhapsly see some of you at that press avail. thank you all. >> all right, we have been listening to speaker pelosi, coming back for her mask there. the speaker touched on a couple topics like her recent foreign trip. she talked about raising the debt ceil gts that will be the houses process tonight including dealing with these cliffs. and she talked about the reblg

reconciliation package. i'm joyed now by ali and i'm wondering if you were as struck as i was that the speaker spoke about what she was for in keeping and not what might come out and seemed to straddle the fence on cutting programs or cutting the duration of things that go into it, what was your take away there? >> i was struck by that, too. someone asked her what the first thing to be taken out would be to get that price tag down and she laughed and said are you kidding? she doesn't want to negotiate here in the press and with reporters, but at the sail time i was struck by the same thing. she really is on both sides of the strategy that we were talking about before she came out here to speak with us. the more progressive strategy which is to do more of the programs and sunset them so that is one way to get the cost down lower or if it is a question of, as she said yesterday, doing fewer things well. it was clear in the way she spent her time here that climate

is a huge priority. the speaker also spoke extensively as many other lawmakers have about the need to do this bill in a way that can benefit women, especially after the jobs numbers. tens of thousands of women leaving the workforce because of a lack of childcare options and because costs have skyrocketed due to a lack of worker abilities in those sectors. that is still a problem here. all of those things would be up toed on in this bill. and i was struck by some of these things being linked. she talked about family made medical leave, universal childcare, things that could be linked, and saying that you could come take some parts out and leave other parts. the other thing that she said is that she will not make the house do something that the senate will not be able to pass. they're working here on the

guidelines and as she reminded you're looking to spend trillions here. the problem with that price tag is that it will still be higher. he reiterated his number is 1 president 5. so even as we are starting this deeper haggling over the policy priority that's will end up in this legislation, there is also haggling over the price tag that congressman said to you, maybe the things that fall out of here could end up in a bill next year. i think that is something that we're really keeping an eye on here. >> i didn't hear mer mention medicare programs. that is something quite popular for bernie sanders. that could be part of reconciliation part three. ali vitali, thank you for

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good day, this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. the house is back in town to vote on a short-term extension of the debt ceiling. >> we're working to try to have bipartisan as we have always had on that legislation. the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law shall not be questioned. >> the speaker also laid down her guidelines for how to cut that $3.5 trillion social spending bill saying she wants to focus on fewer programs but doing them well nap is a rejection of fiercely held repuic