thanking anthony, the veteran and am bu tee -- amputee who stopped to help powell change a tire. he wrote you touched my soul and reminded me about what this country is all about and why it is so great. let's stop screaming at each other. let's just take care of each other. you made my day. my deepest condolences to general powell's beloved wife, his children, his grandchildren and his devoted long-time colleague peggy. "meet the press daily" starts right now for garrett haake in for chuck todd. welcome to meet the press daily. i'm garrett haake. we continue to follow reaction here at home and all over the world to the death of general colin powell. the former secretary of state

military leader, two-time recipient of the presidential medal of freedom and a political icon to many, passed away this morning at walter reed hospital due to complications from covid-19 according to his family. he was 84 years old and fully vaccinated. powell had been suffering from a type of blood cancer that can weaken the body's ability to fight infections. the president said he, quote, embodied the highest ideals of both warrior and diplomat. in the last hour we heard from the secretary of state. we heard him talk about powell's lasting impact in diplomatsationed around the world. and lloyd austin spoke in personal times after learning about the loss of his mentor and friend. >> i feel as if i have a whole -- hole in my heart just learning of this just recently. first african american chairman of the joint chiefs.

first african american secretary of state. a man who was respected around the globe and reason quite frankly, it is not possible to replace a colin powell. we will miss him. >> we've also heard from former president bush. he called powell a family man and a friend. former vice president cheney praised powell's commitment to the armed forces. we expect more reaction from those who served with powell from those inside the white house, from members of congress, and from others as the day continues. powell's death in many ways is about much more than the loss of an elder statesman or a political icon. it's a reminder of a more civil, less partisan and imperfect, yes, but a bygone era in american politics and in republican politics especially. as a republican, his endorsement of barack obama's presidential campaign was a major moment in american politics. an endorsement he made on "meet the press". >> i think back to my army career. we have two individuals, either one of them can be a good

president. but which is the president that we need now? which is the individual that serves the needs of the nation for the next period of time? and i come to the conclusion that because of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across america, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities. we have to take that into account as well as his substance. he has both style and substance, he has met the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional president. i think he is a transformationl figure. a new generation coming on to the world stage, on the american stage, and for that reason, i'll be voting for senator barack obama. >> that's an endorsement. at the same time, powell's life serves as a complicated reminder of the mistakes made by u.s. leadership which included his prominent role in helping to convince the u.n. that saddam hussein had weapons of mass

destruction when he didn't. the fallout we're still struggling to wrap our arms around to this day. with me to talk about it all is andrea mitchell, kourtney kubi, and pete williams. and in a moment, we'll speak with andy card who was white house chief of staff during the george w. bush administration. andrea, i think people have different knowledge of colin powell based on when they first became aware of him in the various roles he played throughout our government and throughout modern american history. as a diplomat, how do you think he'll be remembered and what will his legacy be in how the state department conducts its business? >> well, i think it goes well beyond that, frankly. when i got to first know him, it was in reshaping the reagan administration after the iran scandal at the national security

counsel. he was deputy and then national security adviser. and he always liked to be called general, not mr. secretary in his after life, leaving public life at least official public life, because he was proudest of his role as an infantry man, as joint chiefs chairman. memorably elevated to the role by dick cheney to make the point largely that he was the first black chairman of the joint chiefs, but he was elevated over several people of higher rank and more experience. but the fact is that he helped reshape the american military in the post vietnam era, and then he argued against the war, against the second iraq war, the second gulf war internally, but felt that he was misled and regretted it always that he was misled despite doing his homework at the cia that weekend and trying to scrub his

testimony at the u.n. he felt that his copy book as secretary of state was always spoiled by that presentation about weapons of mass destruction that did not exist. and so there was a falling out with dick cheney and donald rumsfeld who argued forcefully for the war, and had believed in the wmd analysis which proved to be wrong, tragically. that said, i think his largest legacy is in human rights and minority rights, and in the argument that he made against the indignities of the trump era, the indignities of social media, the excesses of social media. just that he believed so strongly in what he did, in supporting historically black colleges and in establishing the colin powell institute at ccnmi, his ama mater in helping immigrants such as his jamaican family in the bronx and for

everything he suffered in the jim crow south as an infantry man, and when he was first courting his life and had to drive from the bronx to alabama and back and get through that terrible time in the 50s. and kwo -- go through everything he did as a black man in the segregated south and in the segregated military, really de facto segregated military. all he did for the military and education with america's promise, that, i think, is the larger legacy. >> and pete, andrea teed it up here a little bit. the role that dick cheney played in colin powell's rise. you were right there with then chairman powell, i guess, working with him every day in your previous life at the defense department. talk a little bit about what you saw during his rise, and who he was like as a colleague. >> very excessable. a lot of military people are afraid of the press. he never was. i remember the first tieday he came into office, he came in and

said do we have a hotline. meaning you press a button on the desk and the phone rings on the other person's desk. he put it in the next day. he was, of course, a wonderful briefer. he i think exuded a lot of confidence, and that was an important thing during the gulf war. remember the famous thing he said of the powell doctrine, and also he said the pottery barn analogy. >> you break it you buy it. >> about iraq. but let me just give you one small example of something that i think is e lum nating. powell once said he thought his greatest skill was as a problem solver. 1982, bob hope wants to do another uso show. his people called up and said he'd never been given an honorary four-star general designation. i talked to general powell about this. he said you know, we don't do that. even for somebody like bob hope, the army doesn't give people honorary four star generals. well, this went back and forth.

it was getting pretty tense. finally powell came up with a solution. to bob hope, our four-star hero. and that was the kind of skill he had. he was just -- he was just a great guy, great sense of humor. wonderful person to work with. >> that's fantastic. kourtney, at the pentagon now, what is general powell's legacy there? pete alluded to the idea that if you're going in, you're doing it with overwhelming force, the pottery barn rule which is a good rule in all of life. but what is the modern impact of general powell on the modern pentagon? >> so there's two main things that i've been hearing about today since we've got the news that colin powell passed away. one is his legacy as a trail blazer in the military. you know, we've heard he was the first african american chairman of the joint chiefs. he was also the youngest at the time at just 52 when he got his fourth star and took over as chairman. but beyond that, even before that, he blazed a trail for

african american men and women, and that leads to the second thing i've been hearing the most about today, and that is his role as a mentor, and a counselor and an adviser. to men and women still today. we heard from secretary of defense lloyd austin who called him his mentor and someone he called on. we heard the same from anthony blinken earlier in his remarks saying he was someone that he would still reach out to colin powell and ask for his advice. well, people now i'm hearing more and more who are retired, who are still in the military now, people who have been out for a number of years, actually, who still said they would reach out to colin powell even if the more recent days, asking his advice and counsel and to a person they keep telling me how he was someone who is very generous with his time. and who is willing to help even when someone was a much more junior rank than he was in the military. he will be remembered according to the people i've been speaking to. a number of people who tributes are pouring into him, saying he was someone who not only showed

them what was possible for a young african american man or woman in the military. remember, he came in during vietnam, a tough time for the military, but also as someone who knew how to mentor younger men and women and was willing to put that time in for the next generation of military leaders. >> and andy card, if we have you now, as a four-star general coming into a white house, how did his experience, how did a person of his stature crossing over, he was sort of the big e military to political crossover since dwight eisenhower. how did that shape his role as the bush administration saw it in your government and the role he played behind the scenes in that white house? >> well, i was pleased to have met colin powell back in 1983 when i worked in the reagan white house, and he was working there. and worked with him in george h.w. bush's administration. secretary of transportation. he was chairman of joint chiefs. we had a remarkable experience, and i can tell you that when he

became secretary of state, he already had a commanding presence on the world stage, having been the chairman of the joint chiefs. and that commanding presence made a big difference. in terms of the white house, he was always candid with his words. he was not trying to be part of any movement. instead, he was trying to make sure the president had wise counsel. so it was frequently that colin powell would offer contrarian advice in meetings, and he would do it in such a way that he wasn't argumentative, but he just caused you to open our eyes and ears, listen better, and look to see the solutions we should talk about. he was a very strong-willed person, but he did not bully his way in any meetings. he had strong views but was comfortable. in terms of my relationship with him, we had a wonderful relationship. i had tough conversations with him, and he always appreciated it, and understand what i was

saying and when i was saying it. he was a joy to work with. i happen to think one of the greatest legacies of colin powell's life was how much compassion he had for other people. remember what he did with the little red reagan campaign that helped young people all across the country. he was truly a bright point of light in terms of making a difference to the world. and he did mentor people well, but he also cared deeply about people who had aids and he helped to get us aids relief to people in africa. he did an awful lot in the united states. i work closely with him when he went to haiti after the first boat lift of haitians. he left the administration of george h.w. bush, and was asked by president clinton to help make sure that haiti could be reopened and accepting of the people that had escaped haiti and gone to guantanamo and were brought back to haiti. i'm a witness to how much compassion he had.

i'm also a witness to the great relationship he and alma powell have. they were a husband and wife team that made a tremendous difference for a lot of people, and they were a great complement with an "e" to each other. >> pete, i want to give you the last question here. it's the toughest. how should we view the iraq war, the second iraq war, the famous u.n. speech colin powell gave as a part of his legacy. you cannot talk about him without that speech. >> i think what he would say and has said about it is that he had his doubts, his internal differences, but that that was the decision the administration made, and he was a working loyal servant to the president. that was his job. that was his mission. so i think that's the way -- i think that's the way he would say it. that he was doing his job. >> andy, anything you want to add on that point? >> you know, it was tough time for colin powell, and i remember the preparation that he put in to going up to the united

nations before that address. and he was very skeptical of the information. he challenged the cia and the defense intelligence agency and the other intelligence community people who were helping to draft his remarks, and he ended up being comfortable with it, but i could tell deep down inside, he was skeptical. and he did it. he then recognized that it wasn't his leadership that would drive the day. it was the president's decisions. and he said he would help the president implement that challenge, and that's what a great soldier does, and he was candid with his advice in counsel. he challenged people very hard. but if the president made a decision, he would help make sure that to the best of his ability, that decision would work out to be the right decision. so he worked hard to correct problems after they showed up, and the iraq war was tough. i mean, those were tough issues dealing with those intelligence community recommendations.

>> all right. pete, kourtney, andy, and andrea, thank you all. as we said, powell died from complications of covid, but it's really not just that simple. let's bring in our medical contributor. doctor, powell was obviously fully vaccinated against covid but had underlying conditions that left him vulnerable. as a doctor, what do you want people to know and to understand about the risk factors that were in play here and what general powell actually died of? >> right. thank you so much for having me on, garrett. i think it's important for people to understand that his situation was unique. he was immunocompromised, meaning he had a weakened immune system. he had a blood cancer that actually affects the blood cells that are responsible for making antibodies. so these patients are at a baseline at risk for infections. they usually actually die from infections. and so he was especially vulnerable because of this

status. and because of his advanced age. so even though he was fully vaccinated, he still was at an elevated risk for contracting the infection and dying from it. that's very important for people to understand. that the vaccines are still very effective, but in certain populations, you still are at risk. that's so important to understanding why we have to take advantage of other strategies in addition to vaccination to mitigate the spread of this virus. >> i feel like this is a classic example of the community elements to this entire pandemic. right? >> exactly. >> powell did his part to protect himself, but there's only so much any one individual can do. can you kind of put that into perspective here as we think about vaccination rates and levels? continuing the climb against the country, but the importance of unvaccinated people still continuing to get the shots to protect others. >> and that is such an important point, garrett. that our immune compromised

members of advanced age can be fully vaccinated and still at risk. that's why we need a collective response for a public health emergency. yes, we need as many people as possible to get vaccinated. and i think that's why vaccine outreach and education is still incredibly important, especially those folks who still have concerns or skepticism about the vaccine, and also to recognize that we still need the other strategies. masking, physical distancing, testing, ventilation, filtration. until we can get the transmission levels down across the country rates are still incredibly high. we had 13,000 deaths last week alone from covid-19. it was the number one leading cause of death. and so this pandemic is nowhere near over. that's why we need everyone to play a part in helping to end it. >> doc, a patient says colin powell was vaccinated and it didn't work. what do you say? >> i would like people to understand the vaccines are still highly effective. they may not be 100% effective,

but they are still highly effective. we've given vaccines to about 200 million americans. we have only about 7,000 breakthrough deaths. and so that is, like, a .003%. it's a fraction of a percentage. however, every death is tragic. especially a preventable death. so we still need people to get vaccinated, because vaccines work at a population level. the more people that are vaccinated, the more effective they are. and the greater our ability to end this pandemic. >> all right. doctor, thank you very much for your perspective on this. and before we go, we should note that moments ago president biden said that flags will be flown at half staff at the white house and other government facilities through friday in memory of general powell. coming up, the clock is ticking for democrats to strike a deal on president biden's agenda. we have the latest from the white house and the hill next. you're watching "meet the press daily". celebrating our students.

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and welcome back. turning now to the latest from capitol hill where democrats find themselves at a rip the band-aid off moment in the ongoing talks over president biden's agenda. it's been a difficult couple days for the party following reports that joe manchin has taken positions against progressions they say has vital to their agenda. president biden met with the caucus chair this morning who will eventually have to sign off on the deal the white house makes to get moderates on board according to "the new york times," manchin told them he would not support a clean electricity plan. that was a pillar of the white house agenda. it's something manchin has been telling anyone who would listen to for weeks that he was against. according to axios, he also said he wants major eligibility restrictions on the tax credit which was a pillar of the working families agenda. the bottom line here is that

something is -- the timeline is shrinking now, and something is going to have to get done if democrats want to give terry mcauliffe a boost in virginia, and for so much more of the democratic agenda. and if democrats didn't know exactly how much they were going to have to cut out of the reconciliation bill to get it to pass, they are at least if you want a silver lining here, getting a better idea now. shannon petty piece is outside the white house for us. and lee ann is on capitol hill. tough news for democrats on all of these reports about what joe manchin is against. but is the fact that we at least now know what joe manchin is against a form of progress for congressional democrats? >> i suppose, garrett. i mean, the reality is i could have gone to the moon for two weeks and come back and still not that much has changed in this storyline. we still have progressives and moderates on opposite sides of the coin. you still have people fighting

with joe manchin. the only thing that's changed is the fight with joe manchin has escalated. you have bernie sanders writing an op ed in the biggest west virginia newspaper calling out joe manchin saying the democrats' plan would help west virginians. yeah, we have a few more details specifically of what joe manchin will or will not do. but we've known for a long time that he wants to create work requirements on -- and means tests a lot of these government safety programs. we've known that he's had issues with the climate change proposals components of the bill. so when you say rip the band-aid, it's time for democrats to do that, they have to make some decisions, because this weird state of status quo is not helping the party at all. they have to get down to the bottom of it and make some decisions on what this legislation is going to look like. now that the house and the senate are both back this week, we expect a lot of meetings perhaps with the white house.

people trapsing down to the white house to perhaps meet with president biden, but ultimately, it's going to be up to president bide ton get his party together and we'll see if he's able to do that. >> well, what's that effort going to look like here? we know now the president is going to travel this week to try to promote this plan. what is he doing in public and perhaps more importantly, what's he doing behind the scenes to get everyone on board and move this package forward? >> yeah. well, i, too, could have gone to the moon with lee ann for two weeks and come back and been in the same position where i could say the same thing as what's happening two weeks ago. more presidential travel. the white house has announced a trip to scranton, pennsylvania. of course, scranton a significant place for the president. not just sort of a tack-on trip. there's a lot of meaning that hometown. last week he was in connecticut at a child care facility. the week before that he was in michigan trying to promote the message to labor groups and a real pro labor message with the

build back better plan. a lot of the same thing and we're seeing the same meetings with the same people. you mentioned the representative that was just hear. our reporting indicates the white house has been in a back and forth with senator manchin. of course ygs that's been going on since the first days of the presidency. so it is really i think to some extent more of the same, more meetings, more public messaging. white house officials will say that's what you have to do to get the deals done, and that is what the president is doing. certainly i will say one new thing. last week was the white house signaling it is time to wind down the talks and to get a deal soon. and so if there is any public pressure coming, i think we started to see indications of that last week. >> there are a lot of progressives who would like to send joe manchin and kyrsten sinema to the moon and let them wait this process out up there. lee ann, is sinema -- is she -- i feel like we have to separate the two senators.

democrats at least know what joe manchin's largely speaking for and against. they don't know the same about sinema. does chuck schumer know? does speaker pelosi know? does the white house know? how does the effort go to make sure that whatever is being publicly discussed with joe manchin isn't also upsetting kyrsten sinema on the other side? >> well, people close to senator sinema say the president knows and that leader schumer knows. they leave out that speaker pelosi knows. they make the point that the senator from arizona doesn't have to negotiate with speaker pelosi, and if president biden and leader schumer do know, then that's another mystifying component of this entire thing. you know, it seems like if they actually are the two people who know everything that everyone wants, why they kind of haven't landed this plane yet. and i agree with you completely. you have to separate joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. they want different things. there's reporting out there that senator manchin doesn't

necessarily love the paid family leave component of the bill. and i was told a couple weeks ago by people close to senator sinema that is one of the things she does like in the bill. al she supposedly likes the climate provisions in the bill. something senator manchin does not. senator sinema doesn't like the tax increases in the bill, and that's how democrats are going to pay for it. and so you know, like i said before, they have to make some very difficult decisions and see if they can keep their party and their members in line. >> shannon, quickly, how much are the various deadlines here weighing on the white house, be they the end of october deadline, be they the virginia election where mcauliffe is screaming at washington democrats broadly to get something done here. how much is the white house aware of all the time on the clock here to get this bill together and passed? >> well, i mean, there have been so many deadlines, though. i remember there was memorial day deadline. there was a july 4th deadline.

there was a back from labor day, halloween deadline, i guess these all have holidays in common. i think certainly the end of the year is really seen as a deadline. because there is that recognition that going into 2022 things will really fundamentally change in an election year. i think maybe that's the only real firm deadline. the white house has been pretty content at this point to continue pushing deadlines back from one holiday to the next as it seems. >> maybe they're operating on a lunar calendar? i'm. i'm trying to draw the astronaut space thing together and it's not working for me. thank you both. up next, i'll speak with a republican governor clashing with members of his party over vaccine mandates. you're watching "meet the press daily". the cloud would give us more flexibility, but we lose control. ♪ ♪ ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪

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the number of new covid cases have plateaued. the governor joins me now. the first question is, why support private businesses making mandates but not a federal government saying that the private businesses have to mandate a vaccine or a test? >> well, again, that's the line between the public and the private sector. and really appreciating and respecting the individual rights of those businesses. you know, again, we want everyone to get vaccinated. i'm as pro vaccine as they come in that sense. when joe biden said i'm going to create new rules and force a mandate into private businesses, that's not appropriate. we're going to join the lawsuit with other states and push back, because those businesses, again, have to have the flexibility to do what they want to do. on the same side, you can't have it both ways. the other side is you see republicans saying we're going to have an anti-vaccine mandate. how about this? how about we stay to republican conservative values and say it's not the government's place to

decide ho private -- who private businesses hire and fire. we're not talking about a protected class. even though i want everyone to be vaccinated, the executives, the governors, the president, we're the ones that have the biggest responsibility to knowing the limitations of that power. and, again, just like i don't think the president can do a pro vaccine mandate, i don't think governors should be doing anti-vaccine mandates. businesses need to manage their business the way they see fit and not have government intervene. >> -- are you seeing businesses encourage vaccinations where they're working? >> a little bit here and there. there's different businesses, different sectors. i think the larger discussion across the country is what you're seeing in hospitals. hospitals are private entities. they can decide to do that if they want to. we don't want to see any nurses get fired. nobody wants to see that across the country we have a fragile health care system based on staffing. so i've talked to a lot of the ceos of hospitals and said look,

it's your right to do so, but please take into consideration the ramifications of that. what it could mean to pushing folks out the door. we don't have a state-wide mandate in any way. we don't have a state-wide mandate on employees, but private entities such as a hospital or fred's flower shop, it doesn't matter. they need to make the decisions for themselves. as soon as you open the box where government is saying who you can fire and who you should fire, whether you're a republican or democrat on one side or the other, that box can't be closed. you governors in other administrations will use other flexibilities that they deem necessary in the moment to really control business. and that's very un-american. it's very not republican, not conservative. i think it's un-american. and so that's where i'm pushing back saying we need to be consistent, if anything. >> is that a betrayal of conservative principles for a governor like gregg abbott or ron desantis to tell a business what they can or can't do in terms of protecting their employees. >> i don't know if it's a betrayal. i think they're caught up in the

moment. i think they're caught up in the moment with trying -- i believe and i think they agree we need to push back on the biden vaccine mandate using these rules that haven't been created. we're seeing the draft versions of them. the quick reaction is we're going to do it on our side to fight back without realizing it's not about the fight. it's about an infringement on business. i had a business and had 800 employees. i can't believe if the state government or the federal government would have come to tell me, sorry, you have to hire that person. you can't fire that person. that's just a big mess. and so i think it's more of a reaction. i think it's not appropriate. and so i'm just trying to push back a little bit and say as governors, we have a responsibility to know the limitations of our power. >> would business -- you as a business owner have a mandate for employees vaccinated? >> i believe it's people's choice. it might mean i have to create different situations to make sure everyone is safe and all

that, but that's something i would probably just choose to manage around. it's not about -- you know, getting a vaccine is a medical -- a very personal medical choice. that's where i think there is just a line we want to encourage you. we want everyone to be vaccinated and get your boosters. you need that part, too, but at the same time, it is a personal choice, and we need to be supportive of that. >> really quickly, have you made a decision yet or when do you think you will announce a decision on whether or not you will be running for senate? >> do you want to put your suggestion in now? i'm taking all suggestions, senate, governor -- i know there's a lot of senate republicans who are asking you and talking to you about it. do you have a timeline for making a decision? >> i said you know, i had the luxury and responsibility of waiting a little bit, because look, new hampshire, we get elected every two years. you know, the state doesn't need another giant campaign. i know the senator is running

tens of millions of dollars of ads here. the people of our state need a little time off, and so i have the responsibility of not jumping into a race if that's what i was going to do. i'm really busy managing the state. but i'd probably make a decision sooner than later. i said i'd make a decision sometime in the winter or early winter. i'm still on that time frame. i haven't decided yet. i'm taking a lot of advice and talking to my family. i'm an executive, a manager. i like to design systems and create solutions. senate and congress don't really do that. right? they do two things. they vote up and down a policy or funding, and then they kind of go on to the next thing. 08% of them are fighting with each other more than getting stuff done. i like to get stuff done. i have to make sure my skill set fits washington, and frankly, washington could handle me. it has to be the right fitter everyone in. >> all right. governor, thanks. rolling deadlines, a theme of our last two blocks here. thank you for coming on. and coming up, after repeated delays, former

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welcome back. former president trump donald trump answered questions under oath this morning h. this is not for anything related to the january 6th attack on the capitol or even anything related to his presidency, really. but for a deposition in a lawsuit stemming from his first presidential campaign. the suit stems from a 2015 incident where a group of individuals say they were assaulted by members of trump's security staff outside trump tower while they were protesting the then candidate. and his statements on immigration. they want trump held personally liable for the incident. the deposition today was order bid a judge after trump and his lawyers cancelled or delayed the deposition several times already. it goes to show how long it can

sometimes take to force testimony from someone who doesn't want to give it. that will be a theme of the reporting this week. tom winter has more details on this case. tom, the former president testifying this morning in this case. can you give us more background and what his testimony means here or what it doesn't mean? >> well, it's exactly as you said, garrett. at the end of the day it boils down to a group of protesters that say they were assaulted by trump's body guard, including trump's perm body -- personal body guard and right hand man, leading to the point where he got secret service protection. he stayed on with the president. the allegations in this incident comes on an important day in then candidate trump's candidacy when he came forward and said he promised he would not run as a third party candidate. there was a ton of media outside of trump tower that day. and that's one of the things that's going to make this lawsuit so difficult for some of the people named it. specifically the body guards. because a lot of this alleged incident and these assaults were actually captured on camera. basically what the six

individuals are looking for today, they're looking for damages for their ongoing medical bills they say they are for the pain and suffering, but they're also looking for punitive damages. that's where this could become a costly problem for the former president. >> this doesn't seem to me like the most potentially damaging or potentially troublesome lawsuit for the former president. he's got a bunch coming down the pipe. right? related to any number of other issues from before and during his presidency. how do you see the legal landscape in front of the former president over the next couple months? >> i think you're right. i think it becomes a little more difficult for him. there are some pretty serious lawsuits that he faces. one, from democratic lawmakers, members of the u.s. capitol police tied to january 6th, and his statements he made in that rally leading up to the now infamous capitol riot and assault that occurred on that day. the president says that was just him utilizing his free speech as the president at the time. but that's a lawsuit that has

potential issues for him. and then there's two others involving two women. both raising allegations of defamation against the president that he smeared them when he denied their allegations that in the case of zervos that the president touched her without her consent, and that he kissed her also without her consent. and then the allegations brought by jean carol, even more serious when the president said he would never have raped a woman that looked like that. essentially was what he said and how he responded to her claims that she was raped by donald trump before he was a candidate in the 90s. so those are just three of ten lawsuits, and he's also filed his own against reporters and mary trump for an article "the times" did based on his taxes. a lot of legal work ahead in donald trump's future. >> a lot of potential depositions. we'll be grateful to have you

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according to variety, some members aren't satisfied with the agreements made for working conditions onset, and may yet reject the deal when it comes up for a vote. that's just one instance of ongoing turmoil in the labor market. after nearly two years of pandemic, millions of americans have decided not to turmoil in r market. many of those staying in their jobs are demanding better pay and working conditions. if their demands aren't being yet, they're headed to the picket line. there have been over 24,000 health care workers preparing to strike in california. over 10,000 john deere workers went on strike on thursday. tomorrow kelloggs workers will enter a third week in their strike over pay and benefits. coming up, a deep dive over how we teach our nation's history and how some try to whitewash painful pasts of this country. you're watching "meet the press daily." try. you're watching "meet the press daily. day.

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welcome back. this country is in the midst of what is arguably the most important debate about school curricula in decades. the debate over how race is taught in american classrooms. the fight is raging in school boards and state legislatures across the country as more and more states take steps to restrict how the history of racism and slavery is taught in classrooms. in many cases just whitewashing some of the most painful parts of american history right out. last week teachers in a texas school district were directed to provide differing perspectives on topics like slavery or the holocaust in their curriculum. in a new documentary "civil war" premiering this sunday on msnbc, we're taking a deep dive into how we teach the most divisive chapter in american history, how race and tradition shape the in a few hours we tell and don't tell about the civil war and how that impacts race in america today. here is a preview.

>> we've never really had a racial reckoning. >> it started immediately after the war. if you want north and south to get together and get along again, you don't talk about causes and consequences. you talk about the mutual valor on that battlefield. >> i'm joined now by keith mays, professor of african-american studies at the university of minnesota. and professor, i want your reaction to that clip from dr. blight, talking about how in the immediate aftermath of the civil war the narrative changed of what we were going to talk about and how that affects the way we talk about that period in history today. >> thanks for having me on, garrett. i think part of the problem we have in schools and in politics is that we can't seem to grasp why it is important for us to tell the history as it occurred,

that people have to understand that the civil war was a major watershed moment in american history. and yes, it represented the moment and the era of black emancipation and black freedom. but it also meant the south lost something. what did it lose? it lost a way of life. it lost its economy. it lost its social structure in many ways. i think it's hard for people to live in that time and culture to reconcile what happened. hence that's why you have various names to the event. a lot of folks in the south saw it as a lost cause or they saw it as the war of northern aggression. these kinds of interpretations mean that there are folks who are still wedded to various narratives that shape their reality in many ways, and still

does. >> i mean, when you look at things like the texas law which shows how far people are willing to go to preserve that narrative, what's your takeaway on lawmakers trying to encode this kind of thing in legislatures across the country? is it just driven from a place of fear? and i guess to me the question is, fear of what? >> fear of progress. fear of racial progress. fear of -- >> but what does that mean? fear that your african neighbor is going to be as well off as you? it's sort of embarrassing. >> it is embarrassing. but it's a fear that the way in which we imagine the racial state means that the level of equality as it first represents this demographic shift in the country is something that lawmakers have to pay attention to, have to deal with. but i think we can't forget,

garrett, this is also about politics. so the rewriting of southern history was a civil rights era phenomenon. the rewriting of that southern history that's occurring today is also part and parcel of the moment that we live in now, with the rise of the conservative right. so i think that history and politics have always been married in that way. and these are not well-meaning politicians who have decided that they want to pass these laws. this is about the current state of our political environment right now. and it has less to do with what actually happened in history, garrett. >> right, if you can gin up people to fight about a culture war issue, you don't have to talk about other uncomfortable facts you may not want. i'm super curious, as a professor, the students who select your class, there's a

self-selection of students who are interested in african-american issues that come into your class. what do you find about kids that come to you from high school, that they know or don't know? what presents to you from the high school students of america when they come before you in terms of the gaps in their knowledge or in their understanding of this country's racial past? >> so they understand the current reality, because they've lived it and they've participated in many of the social movements that are occurring today in society. but they may not necessarily know what happened in the 19th century. they've heard of the civil war. they may have actually heard of the civil rights movement. but they have come to the class wanting to connect the dots. how do we get from 1861 and 1865 to let's say 1965? what are the things -- why do we have to revisit things like voting rights, why do we have to

revisit questions about american citizenship? they know something is wrong because we're having to fight for the same thing our ancestors fought for centuries ago. >> it's a fascinating topic. catch "civil war" at 10:00 p.m. eastern on sunday on msnbc. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." msnbc coverage continues with yasmin vossoughian right now. hey, everybody, good to be with you. i'm yasmin vossoughian. it is an extraordinarily rare moment in modern american history when the passing of such a towering figure triggers such an outpouring across the political spectrum. the shocking word that came out at 8:00 this morning, colin powell, military hero turned statesman who dedicated his l