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over about his service. the flag is at half staff by president biden. we're live at the pentagon for you today. we also have breaking news from haiti. they have confirmed that the fbi is part of a coordinated effort with the state department working on the return of 17 americansand one canadian kidnapped by a gang. we have an epidemiologist and senior correspondent karen deyoung. she is author of "soldier: the lifeof colin powell." courtney, let's go to you first. colin powell obviously led an indelible footprint on the building you're in, the pentagon. what have you heard from officials there?
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>> in one way it was the fact he was able to blaze a trail for men and women behind him. remember, as an rotc candidate, he spent two tours in vietnam. this was a difficult time for the u.s. military when he got in, when he became active duty. when he came back, he served in a number of increasingly more and more larger roles in the military, including making his way to the white house where he was deputy national security advisor and then national security advisor. after that, then he came to become the chairman of the joint chiefs. as you mentioned, aaron, he was the first black chairman but he was also the youngest. just 52 when he got his fourth star and became chairman of joint chiefs. he retired, though, nearly 30 years ago. i think a lot of our viewers forget that. he was actually out of uniform for nearly three decades now, and in that time he became secretary of state only a few
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years after he retired from the military. but the way -- what i'm hearing today at the pentagon, both from active duty and from former military are two main things. one is just that, that he was able to blaze this trail for young men and women, particularly african-american men and women who watched him race to these enormous roles in the military, but also someone who served as a real mentor. it was a role he continued to play even after he left the military. we've heard now from people like secretary of defense, former secretary robert gates, former secretary ash carter, current secretary of state antony blinken, all saying that he served as a real mentor to them. and then just today, this morning, while traveling overseas we heard from the current secretary of defense lloyd austin and he had some very heartfelt words about general colin powell. >> the world lost one of the greatest leaders we have ever witnessed. and i lost a tremendous personal
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friend and mentor. he has been my mentor for a number of years. he always made time for me, and i could always go to him with tough issues. he always had great counsel. we will certainly miss him. i feel as if i have a hole in my heart. >> and that is exactly what we've been hearing here, is that he made time. general powell made time for people no matter what their job was. he was very generous in helping others who needed his advice and counsel even up until just these very last few months and weeks, aaron. >> tremendous power in just showing up in some cases for a number of people. i want to turn to kelly mcdonald now. president biden calling him a patriot of unmatched favor and dignity. powell was highly well known
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here and abroad, from former president carter. from liz cheney, a patriot and a role model. and lloyd austin, one of the greatest leaders that we have ever witnessed. even overseas, tony blair calling colin powell a towering figure in american military and political leadership. and today president biden ordering flags to be flown at half staff in powell's honor, right? >> reporter: that's right, and those flags will remain at half staff until october 22nd. it is a sign of respect for colin powell and a marker of his importance in american life. what we hear again and again from all these remembrances and messages to condolences to the powell family and different
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periods in his career is that calm theme of his dignity, his humility and his ability to break barriers and serve his country and put patriotism ahead of other considerations. what is also notable is that you hear a praise from both republicans and democrats, a wide swath of the american public has admiration for colin powell. and in part one of his most difficult times in office when he was secretary of state under george w. bush and gave the speech at the united nations about what was believed at the time in the bush administration to be weapons of mass destruction in iraq that turned out to be not true, that he acknowledged that mistake publicly. called it a blot on his record. and so even in public life when people have both great successes and periods where things don't go well or they make a mistake, he acknowledged that, and that is certainly how he is a part of how he is remembered as well. i think in many ways the
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reflexes today are also sort of a yearning of a time in politics where you had more bipartisan praise for an individual, where you had political discourse and diplomatic discourse that was not as harsh and raw as is so common today where politics are so heated. not that there weren't tough battles then, but it was a slight shift in the tone and the time, and really, powell's demeanor, his life experience, his career echoed back to that kind of republicanism of that period which is not so present in the modern republican party now. he distanced himself from the party in later years in the trump period, of course, critical of donald trump in particular. but when you look at his career, it isn't just serving his country in both uniform and government office, but breaking not just one barrier but numerous barriers, and how he then tried to turn a lot of his post-government work into being a role model and to try to open doors for young people of color
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and people who had not had opportunities that might have opened those doors so easily. that part of his public service will be a big piece of his legacy as well. aaron? >> dr. gander, i'd like to bring you in here. obviously at this point it's unclear what complications colin powell experienced from covid-19. we don't know when he tested positive. the family also said they didn't know when he was vaccinated or if he received a booster shot. we know he had multiple myeloma, he was 84 years old. i would imagine those are pretty significant factors here. >> he was elderly, he was 84, he had multiple myeloma which is a cancer of the blood. we know from studies of nature posted this summer, looking at patients that had multiple myeloma, that study showed that half the people who had multiple myeloma responded to the vaccines.
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that means half of people don't respond with multiple myeloma. that means people around them need to be vaccinated, need to be masking, need to be testing, those sorts of things. in addition, he also had a history of prostate cancer. so he had many reasons, number one, not to respond to the vaccine in the first place. he's in multiple categories that would be a reason to get an extra booster dose of the vaccine, and because of his age and immunocompromising conditions, if someone has a breakthrough infection, they're more likely to progress to serious disease and to die. >> karen, you sat down with general powell for six lengthy interviews. you literally wrote the book on him. what struck you the most about his career in the military and his time in government? >> i thought it was interesting that after he left government, after he stepped down as secretary of state, people didn't refer to him as mr. secretary the way they do former
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secretaries of state. he reverted back to being general and people called him general. that's what he wanted to be called. he saw himself as a soldier. the army gave him stability in life, they taught him the leadership skills he had, they taught him how to deal with people above him and below him in terms of hierarchy. i think he always did consider himself a soldier. and that was one of the things -- obviously, one of the great attributes you've heard a lot of people talk about. it was also, to the extent that he had regrets and things, particularly the iraq speech that he called a blot on his record, and the invasion of iraq, which he didn't think was a good idea, he was a big blot
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on his record and he followed up on it. >> you said iraq. he did say one of the biggest regrets is the role he played to build the case to invade iraq. i want to play what he said in 1993. >> this is dangerous if it continues to invade iraq against its will effective and immediately. >> how did he reconcile that moment and the realities, karen? >> i think he was very angry. he was very proud of his reputation for honesty and integrity. and i think he was mad. he thought that the intelligence community had, to some extent, wittingly deceived him. i think he felt that the administration had used him, and they did use him to be the spokesperson because they knew people would believe him if he
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went out and talked about the weapons of mass destruction. he felt like he had done his due diligence in order to make sure that what he was saying could be proven. obviously, as he himself ak -- acknowledged later on, it didn't go far enough. >> we also know that he talked about january 6 at the capitol. he referred to the riot there. here is what he said. >> i've never seen anything or experienced anything like this in my many years of public service. yesterday was a national disgrace. we'll come through it. but once again, we see president trump doing things that are absolutely outrageous, criminal, claiming he is going to be the president of the united states when he knows he isn't. >> and we hear the passion in his statement there as an elder statesman, as a soldier, as you referenced, karen. track, if you can, about what
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we're hearing from some republicans on january 6 who refuse to refute some of the claims that led up to that day. >> well, i think that powell, you know, one of the great things about him is that he was not political. i mean, i think he joined the republican party in the mid-'90s when he was contemplating running for president and knowing the democrats would nominate bill clinton again. then he watched his party fall apart. colin powell saw the republican party as a party of power, a party of rockefeller as an internationalist, but more than anything, i think he was bipartisan and i think he was ashamed at what the party had become, and outraged about it. >> we will leave it there for now, ladies. thank you so much. courtney kube, erin o'donnell,
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new developments this afternoon following the kidnapping of 17 christians in haiti. natives have landed at the port-au-prince and they are assisting in this. news broke out about the kidnapping without americans initiating any contact with the
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kidnappers and whether a ransom is needed. the fbi team is also on the ground. >> the state department is part of a small team that is on the ground that has been dispatched to haiti to work closely with haitian authorities on this matter. >> being, the backdrop for all of this, the dire situation for haitians, thousands fleeing their country every month trying to escape the increasing gang violence there. i want to bring in news correspondent sam brock who has been following the story closely for us today. sam, i understand you've spoken to some haitians who say this is really a reflection of the terror they've been living with and fleeing as we watch the exodus that's happening. tell us about the situation there. >> reporter: aaron, the upshot right now is those folks say their loved ones who are living in haiti at this moment feel like they are refugees in their own homes. kids cannot go to school, preachers are being taken from
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their church. all of this being done in broad daylight. i'm told it's between 20 and 25 kidnappings going on every single day. in terms of what's going on at the federal level right now, we know, aaron, you mention aid few minutes ago, a multi-pronged approach by the fbi and law enforcement. they're not revealing much except to say they're speaking to law enforcement. it is seven men and five children who are abducted. it's unclear if they have a pulse on where they are or if they'll be rescued. i also had an interview with a doctor in a hospital in port-au-prince saying that they have to coincide transportation
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and deal with gangs as they do so. in miami, there was about 50 protesters, some of whom started laying in the middle of the road. they were arrested, nine of them, saying you can't have deportation of haitians back to a country where all of this is going on. here's how one woman characterized what she is seeing and her loved ones are seeing. >> the families, men, women and children, have to flee to save their lives and they're now living in tents in squalor, sleeping on the ground. they were forced to leave their homes. this is a country that this mission, this so-called champion of human rights, this is the country that the u.s. is deporting refugees to. >> reporter: aaron, a u.n. report identified about 330 kidnappings in haiti which is roughly more than all of 2020. those figures might be extremely low, according to groups i'm
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talking to. it's at least at 600, 700, so far this year. children are growing up in haiti right now not sure if they take a step outside their door, if they'll survive, or what will indicate all as pex peculiarities of life in haiti. >> it's a delicate situation we'll have to pay attention to. sam brock, sam, thank you. jury selection is happening right now in a highly charged murder case. three white men are set to stand trial in the death of ahmad arbery who was black and killed in 2020. his mother says she is just grateful to have this trial underway. >> today i'm very thankful that in the stage of the trial
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they're picking a jury. >> now, the three men being tried in the deadly shooting have pleaded not guilty here. the father and son charged with killing arbery said they thought he was responsible for recent thefts in the area. attorneys for the son, travis michael, said they thought arbery shot him in self-defense. the one who filmed the entire deadly encounter tz he's just a witness. >> jury selection is available in the ahmed case. we should be able to hear r. they will actually be bussed over to the courthouse in groups of 20 to be sentenced by counsel. this process could give you an
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idea of some ending in this case. it could be another one on two weeks before a jury is seated. keep in mind ahmad arbery was discovered two years ago when he was jogging. his family have been waiting to stand trial, and they are here today even though we have another week and possibly two. in brunswick, georgia, i'm katie beck for nbc news. in georgia, tthey join u
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president biden is now speaking at the white house. this is the state event on the white house lawn. let's listen in. >> one of the things that i used the line years ago that i still think is relevant in a slightly different context. you know, when i think about it, the single most consequential people in the world beyond our
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parents, god willing, if we have them, are teachers. you are the ones -- you're the kite strings that lift our national ambitions aloft. it's reality. one of the reasons i'm working so hard and the secretaries are helping in the build back better plan is the rest of the world is starting to figure this out. the rest of the world is starting to outbeat us. we rank number 34 out of 37 industrial nations in the world, and a number where we rank in terms of people getting a degree beyond high school. so we have to get back in step, ask you're all the reasons. you're the best of the best. you know, for all of it -- by the way, where are my two
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it was a pretty big deal to listen to both of your speeches. it was pretty impressive. i mean it sincerely. what you do really matters. it matters in a way that you all don't fully realize. i bet -- you know, i look at every important decision i made in my life. i asked myself three things, not a joke, what my dad and mom would think i should do. i have to tell you a quick story. when i decided to help fix someone who is going to be the nominee for the democratic party, i was asked in delaware to go out and try to find a candidate for the united states senate. i was 28 years old as part of this group. i kept trying to get people who were consequential to get
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involved and they didn't want to do it. nixon was getting set to win and i was a democrat. i was at an off-year convention and i went to make sure everything was going to be okay, and i report -- i was the kid at the convention. and it was in dover, delaware. and after the afternoon session, i went back to the hotel, a motel where you drive up, you get out of the car, you walk in the door. and i was in there and i was shaving. i had a towel around me, and i was in the bathroom, which is like 8x10 and two beds were headboards nailed to the wall and a desk nailed to the wall. all of a sudden i heard, bam, bam, bam, bang at my door. i thought it was a great friend, bob cunningham, i thought they were coming to pick me up. >> president biden honoring
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teachers at this teacher of the year event, president biden telling them what you do matters. we're going to continue to watch this. a little later on in this broadcast, we will speak to national teacher of the year folks as well as secretary of education miguel cardona coming up in just a bit. we want to turn back to that news. colin powell's death this morning, in his position from 2001 to 2005. leaders around the world praising powell for his diplomacy efforts. matt bradley is in london for us, as well as anita mcbride, school of public affairs and former assistant to former president george w. bush.
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matt, how did some of his international peers remember him today? he's being remembered the same around the united states. a lot of his diplomats, his peers you mentioned from across the world, they remember him for his diplomacy in america, for crossing the partisan divide, something which is so rare these days. it almost seems like a relic from his heyday back in the 1990s. now so many leaders are remembering that. aaron, everybody is going to be mentioning it's the hallmark and the real shame of him in his career was getting in front of the united nations and challenging iraq which turned out to be intelligence that just wasn't true. that's something he said he regretted and really put a blot on his moral character for the rest of the world. but still, we have to remember one issue there.
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he went before the united nations because he believed in the united nations. he believed in these national institutions, and that's something other international leaders, those in the know, don't forget. there is such a distrust for these national institutions. he believed in them. he stopped the bush administration from going to war without even -- he wrote that colin powell was wonderful to work with, he inspired loyalty and respect and was one of those leaders who always treated those under them with kindness and concern. his life stands as a testament not tonl on dedicated public service but also a strong belief in willingness to work. >> he was so respected and
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engendered loyalty by the oaths that he worked with and those who worked for him. it was one of the extraordinary factors of his life, that he was the highest ranking military commander. he also was a diplomat, and he did appreciate and understand the value of all of these institutions which really guided our world, our safety, our negotiations for decades. and he really lived a life that upheld those principles. and sometimes that did get out of sync or not in sync with a president or the leader -- you know, the president's point of view, but regardless of that, for four decades and four presidents, his integrity and the value of his opinion was incredibly well respected. >> at the same time, anita,
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colin powell was not necessarily a stay in your lane type guy in the accounts we've seen over the years. in recent years, as a matter of fact, he criticized the republican party, he spoke out against the january 6 insurrection at the capitol, he endorsed former president barack obama in 2008. i want to play a little bit from that moment. listen. >> he has met the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional president. i think he is a transformational figure. he is a new generation coming onto the world stage, onto the american stage, and for that reason i'll be voting for senator barack obama. >> anita, how significant was that moment? are you surprised at all that he took that step against what was his own party? >> not surprised at all. i think it was a very significant moment, because people did listen to him. they respected his opinion.
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and it was clear this was a person whose advice and whose support was sought after by many, including when president george w. bush chose him as secretary of state. he knew the value that colin powell brought to his own father's administration during a very difficult time, during the gulf war, and knew that he was someone who was trusted around the world. so that voice and that opinion really mattered. colin powell was very artful about dealing with politics, but politics is not what drove his decisions. >> anita mcbride, we appreciate your perspective today. matt bradley, thank you for your reporting from london as well. thank you both. >> thank you. next, after months of delay, former president donald trump finally sitting for a deposition. we'll tell you about the lawsuit, right after this. afte.
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new word today's deposition of donald trump appeared to have wrapped up after several hours of questioning. donald trump testified under oath of what involved claims of six people claiming assault by security guards outside trump tower in 2013. employees saying this about how things went. >> the former president sat and was examined for several hours on the incident that occurred right after the corner here on september 3rd, 2015. >> the president was exactly as you would expect him to be, and he answered questions the way that you would expect mr. trump to answer questions, and conducted himself in a manner that you would expect mr. trump to conduct himself. >> with me now is nbc news investigative correspondent tom winter. tom, you've been following this. obviously we just heard from the
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attorneys there, but you've been listening in. what were you able to learn about how things went today? >> because this was behind closed doors in the trump boardroom, and as glen victor said, where this incident allegedly occurred in 2015, it was all behind closed doors. we might one day see the president testifying, as he did here today, if this case goes to trial, if it goes to jury trial. it could also potentially be included in lots of motions, but we don't have any word at this point what -- just based on the files that are public record, just establishing that these guards worked for him, that there was a personal effort here, or that they worked for him personally as the owner and as the ceo of the trump organization.
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so i think that's what attorneys were really hoping to solidify here, because that might tie trump to any potential punitive damages, which is where it could get really costly for the former president. >> what do you know about any parameters that were set up in terms of the government would be able to ask of the former government. >> these attorneys were. it centers on their examination, that these free speech rights were taken away from him, that in one particular instance, one of them says he was punched in the. then on top of that, there were allegations that they were allegedly choked. that was kind of the center of what we had to stick to today. if you're talking about punitive
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damages, you might be able to get into somebody's finances, but i said it earlier today kind of tongue in cheek -- did putin tell you any jokes at the summit? you can't just walk anywhere you want because the former. >> i'll ask you to stay here for a second. i want to bring tally who was working for the justice department. what would you ask today given that it happened under oath? >> tom got it exactly right. if i was representing these plaintiffs, although trump was such that he coulden responsible
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fwhoor recall depend hog how the security detail conducted themselves. then if ifls one of thely. i would be listening in for some information, as tom said, it had to be manically questions about his personal finances, perhaps connection to the martin team, questions generally about how he ran his affairs, how intimately involved he was in the things that the people around him did. >> tally, give me other things that are out there. today's is at least 10 civil suits making their way through the court system with some
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others, january 6, the ride to the capitol. how do you expect to form the strategy for so many others. >> we could spend all afternoon mdly. first he might say. i think more broadly if we step back. the dam has been broken. the force field of the presidency has now been ordered. for example, he's been ordered in a defamation case to give a deposition under oath by christmastime. he's delaying testimony and this
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we are keeping an eye on the senate floor. we will show you here. on the left side of the screen, you see here back in session this hour. majority leader chuck schumer expected to move sometime soon to set up a vote on the latest attempt at a voting rights bill which as of right now nbc news expects could take place on wednesday. this bill would establish election day as a federal holiday and establish minimum standards for voting by mail, among other things. it has also gotten the support of all 50 democratic voting senators. but that is more support than past voting rights bills received. but it is nowhere close to what's needed to beat a republican filibuster. it could add new fuel to the debate on filibuster reform. i want to bring in lee anne caldwell on capitol hill for us today. a couple of things.
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walk us through what we are expecting to see there in the senate today, also what you are learn being the majority leader's strategy here. >> hey, aaron. leader schumer is going to as you said set up a vote to take place as early as wednesday on this new compromise voting rights bill. it's not going to be a lot of fireworks today. we are all waiting for wednesday for when this key procedural vote takes place. now, at that key procedural vote, it is going to need the support of 60 senators to advance. we know that there are now 50 democrats who support this compromise legislation because senator joe manchin has come out in support of it. he's also negotiated this new bill that is different from the democrats' being priority, the for the people act. one of the main big differences is this new version includes a voter id requirement, something that senator manchin really wanted. and so what we are going to be waiting for, and watching for,
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to see if any republicans come out and support this bill -- at least the vote on wednesday there. could be a couple who vote just to advance the legislation. that doesn't mean they support pass an of it. but the real key is if they can get ten republicans. at this point, that just does not look likely. if this vote does fail, which it is expected to, then democrats are going to have to then regroup and try to figure out how to move next because voting rights is stuck in the senate. >> we are also hearing president biden is going to host in-person meetings with moderates and progressives in the house. democrats coming to the white house tomorrow. we know that the fate of several parts of the social spending plan now seem to be sort of up in the air. what more are you learning about that? >> yeah. we did know these meetngs are going to take place. this is a critical week for democrats and the biden administration and their agenda. they have to start to make some decisions on what is going to be
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in this bill and what is not going to be in this bill. we are -- we know that senator manchin is laying down a lot of red lines on what he wants in this legislation. as far as these meetings are concerned, they are going to be critical. it will be interesting to see if president biden holds separate meetings with moderates and then a separate meeting with progressives or if he is going to put everyone in the same room. because if he puts everyone in the same room it seems like they are farther along than we think. if they are still holding separate meetings they still have a lot of work to do. >> lee anne caldwell for us on capitol hill today. thank you. thank you for watching this hour of msnbc reports. i'm aaron gilchrist. deadline white house starts after a quick break. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke.
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