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good tuesday morning. meetings and phone calls and photos, but does that mean progress? president biden's goal today, to break that democratic stalemate and get the progressive and moderate factions of his party to agree to a framework on the build back better plan. he will host two meetings at the white house today at two different times with members of those two groups within his own party. and a picture may be worth a thousand words, but is it worth $2 trillion? as far as we know that's the difference between what senators joe manchin and bernie sanders want to spend. how close are we? has there been movement? plus, huge news for anyone waiting to get the booster vaccine dose. the "new york times" reporting the fda will allow a mix and match approach for booster shots. but we start this morning with
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new and important developments from the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. tonight, the select committee is expected to vote to hold steve bannon in contempt of congress for failing to comply with a subpoena. and former president trump is taking legal action of his own to try to block the committee from getting the information it wants. with me now, ali vitale, pete williams and kristin welker. ali, what should we expect and what does it mean for bannon in practical terms? >> what this really kicks off is the beginning of the process for the committee to lend some teeth to their investigatory power. they are allowed to subpoena people to come before them. they knew they were not likely to see cooperation from a lot of these trump allies, especially in this first batch of subpoenas. knowing that, they wanted to
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start the process as soon as they could, because they knew that this was going to end up mired in the courts, answering questions about executive privilege and whether or not people like steve bannon, who were not white house officials at the time, are going to be part and privilege to that or if even the former president trump is still privilege to that. the biden white house says he cannot have that privilege. at the same time that is exactly the argument the former president is trying to leverage and his chief strategist is doing the same thing. we're going to see this committee vote on the cotempt referral. it will go to the floor of the house. if it passes, it will go to the department of justice. this is their goal. listen to adam schiff. >> we're particularly interested in what he knew about the
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propensity for violence on insurrection day. what the president was aware of, what communications they may have had about it and other areas as well. i think he's one of the most important witnesses, and we're determined to make sure we get answers. >> reporter: certainly bannon will be an important witness in that. his lawyer has said the reason he's not complying with the subpoena request is because of what the former president is saying about executive privilege. the committee released a statement last night after trump brought his lawsuit against them and the national archives trying to block the release of these documents. the committee has said they feel they have precedent on their side. nevertheless, the goal is to block these documents from getting to the committee, but also to bog down the process and slow it down. as much as the midterms seem very far away, in practice,
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they're actually quite close. we know legal proceedings don't go very quickly. the longer this takes, the less time the committee has to be with these documents they are seeking. and if the republicans take the house, the teeth of this committee fall apart. >> former president trump suing the house january 6th select committee, which you've referred to as a double barrelled lawsuit against both the committee and the national archives. what happens next? >> it could potentially slow down the ability of the committee to get its hands on the documents. now we're talking about a separate request, the thousands of documents the committee asked archives for back in march and august. archives has them because that's where all presidential documents go when the president is no longer in office. the law says if somebody asks for these documents, archives
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checks with the current and former president to see what to do. the former president says executive privilege. the current says it doesn't apply. the legal question is how much authority does a former president have to assert executive privilege. we know he has some because president nixon established that back in 1977, but we know it's diminished when the current office holder says it doesn't apply. the lawsuit makes a separate claim that congress has no right to get this stuff in the first place. this is an argument that congress can only get information to legislate, not to investigate. this is an argument the president's lawyers have used in the past without much success. >> let's hear from the president. what's the administration saying? >> reporter: a spokesperson for president biden really digging in in the administration's
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refusal to allow the former president to claim executive privilege over those documents. here's the statement. he says, former president trump, quote, abused the office of the presidency and attempts to subvert a peaceful transfer of power. the former president's actions presented a unique and existential threat to our democracy that can't be swept under the rug. that is the argument that is coming from the white house. the backdrop is that this is a president and a white house that's digging in on this matter. in fact, president biden was asked if he thinks those who defy subpoenas like steve bannon should be prosecuted. he said yes. that opened him up to criticism because he campaigned on a promise to make sure there was independence for the doj from the executive branch.
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jen psaki was asked about this repeatedly yesterday. she said, yes, of course president biden still believes in the independence of the doj but also stands by his remarks. >> welcome back. this morning that dangerous gang that kidnapped 17 missionaries in haiti is reportedly demanding ransom. the "wall street journal" is saying the kidnappers want $17 million, a million per person. kerry sanders is in miami tracking the effort to get the 16 americans and one canadian home safely. we also learned that a team from the state department is there along with that team of fbi agents in haiti. what more do we know about their work to get these missionaries home and how are they responding
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to these demands? >> reporter: the u.s. officials are on the ground in what is a chaotic nation to begin with. they may actually have some contact with the pseudogovernment in haiti but this is a very chaotic situation because of the insecurity and lack of structure of a government in that country. so when you add that up, you realize that the u.s. efforts on the ground with the fbi agents as well as the state department in many ways is going to be complicated because the u.s. does not directly negotiate with terrorists. let's take a look at what their demands are. they're demanding $17 million, according to the haitian justice minister as reported by the "wall street journal." we know there are 16 americans and one canadian, but there are also in that group five children, one as young as 8 months old. then there is this backdrop,
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which is in april this same gang down there reportedly released five priests, two nuns and three relatives after a ransom was paid. so they have been there this before with those who are basically with the wherewithal to get the money to pay ransoms. and they see u.s. citizens and they think, well, they're wealthy, they're going to be able to pay. so the question really is what exactly is the fbi doing right now. and the reason we won't know that is because they don't want reporting to get in the way of what's happening on the ground to get a release of these 17 now being held hostage. coming up, photo op. the two democratic senators who may be furthest apart on a spending bill, joe manchin and
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bernie sanders, made sure everyone saw them hanging out last night. just moments ago we saw arizona senator kyrsten sinema arrive at the white house for another meeting. does this mean they're closer to a deal? we have the latest. plus, mixing and matching. new details on how quickly the fda could approve allowing j&j vaccine recipients to get a different shot for their booster. o get a differt enshot for their booster. voiceover: riders. wanderers on the road of life. the journey is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination.
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a major push is on this morning on both the hill and 1600 pennsylvania avenue to show some real progress toward making the president's build back better plan a reality. we just got this imagine of moderate democratic senator kyrsten sinema arriving at the white house for a meeting with the president. in about two hours, president biden will huddle with progressives at the white house and then separately meet with moderates. the president was on the phone with senator joe manchin last night, who continues to make it clear that he wants a plan that's much cheaper and less environmentally conscious. this shot of him and his polar opposite bernie sanders leaving after their meeting yesterday. >> get a picture of us, huh? we're talking. >> we're talking. >> you're going to have a resolution by the end of the week?
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>> we're talking. >> that came after manchin's two-hour meeting with pramila jayapal. so lots of meetings, but what is is actually getting done? what do we know about this meeting with senator sinema and what, if anything, should we make of the fact that while democrats on opposite sides of the bill have been talking one on one, joe biden is meeting with moderates and progressives separately? >> reporter: right. it would be nice if everyone could get in the same room together. we are seeing evidence of cross pollination between moderates and progressives. biden had a call with manchin. he also talked with jayapal. we're starting to see some progress. the white house says any time we're talking, we're making
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progress. any conversations, meetings is good news. we saw this pattern play out back over the summer with this bipartisan infrastructure bill, that $550 billion bill where we saw the republicans, we saw democrats come, we saw groups come together. i think we're starting to see a similar pattern again. that's why i think people around the white house have optimism that the, in their view, traditional back and forth negotiations is happening. but for all the talk going on and how glad they are to see talk, they have indicated strongly it is time to start to wrap that talk up. and the urgency and pressure from the white house has ratcheted up this week. >> are they making any progress? what more do we know about who's going to the white house today? what can you tell us about last night's meetings and where
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things stand? >> reporter: the direct talks between senator manchin and bernie sanders and congresswoman jayapal are new and they're creating a sense of good vibes among democratic aides that something may happen. these talks have not yielded a result in the past weeks. the reason is the two sides are jammed up on a procedural point about how to move forward. progressives say they're not going to come down from that $3.5 trillion price tag until the centrists say what they want to cut. the centrists like manchin and sinema don't want to go that route. they want to convey their preferences and they want house party leaders to craft a bill reflecting those preferences. the policy issues are vast to be resolved. the price tag is vast. $2 trillion between manchin's current ask and what
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progressives want have yet to be resolved. manchin spoke to reporters earlier today. let's play what he said. >> let's do what we can do together. let's get that piece of legislation agreed upon that we can start working the framework of that. that's going to take a little while. with that being said, then we should be able to vote immediately on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which is a tremendous piece of legislation for the president to take and also knowing in good faith we have an outline to work out the details and fine print. >> reporter: there would have to be a lot of trust to be able to get that infrastructure bill done because progressives have held it up in pursuit of cutting a reconciliation bill. the ball appears to be moving. senator kyrsten sinema is seen
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by democratic sources as a bigger problem on this than senator manchin because she has not come out in favor of several components of president biden's plan, incluing raising taxes on the wealthy. >> thanks. we'll be checking in with you throughout the day. meantime, the millions of americans who got the johnson & johnson vaccine could be about to get new guidance on booster shots. what the fda is considering on mixing and matching doses and how son those recommendations could come. how son those recommendations could come
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mixing and matching booster shots, it's a huge topic that could impact millions of americans' plans for a booster. this week the fda will finally allow americans to get a booster dose that's different from the vaccine they received. the fda could make that announcement as soon as tomorrow. the agency is also set to authorize boosters for moderna and johnson & johnson at the same time, according to reports from the "new york times" and the "washington post," but not confirmed by nbc news. megan fitzgerald is in chicago following this expected announcement from the fda.
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i want to bring in dr. heat, also a former fda official. what do we know right now about this upcoming fda decision and how soon might folks start getting these mixed doses? >> reporter: we know about the process. there is reporting we could learn about the fda authorizing boosters as early as tomorrow night. once that happens, then it goes to the cdc for their recommendation. millions of americans could be eligible for a booster shot by the end of this week. we've heard from the white house covid task force. they have said as soon as the green light is issues, they say they have the vaccines ready and will be ready to roll them out. >> it sounds like they are planning to approve this mixing and matching of vaccines. help us understand. we know, for example, there's
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been a lot of pressure from state officials who wanted flexibility in the types of doses they can give people for the booster shot. how do they come to making a plan here? >> for the u.s. fda they have to be constrained to the science. can they suggest booster shots that mix and match the brand of the vaccine and still deliver the same safety and efficacy? the good news is it looks from the data that they will be able to assure that. that will make it a lot easier for state officials to make sure they're delivering boosters to as many people as possible. >> i want to ask you about the tragic death of former secretary of state colin powell who was fully vaccinated but died of complications from covid-19. >> well, i've got to go to the
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hospital about two or three times a week. i've got multiple myeloma cancer and parkinson's disease. otherwise i'm fine. >> i'm so sorry. >> don't feel sorry for me. i'm 85 years old. got to have something. i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases. i'm in good shape. >> his unrelenting optimism was inspirational. help us understand what multiple myeloma is, why his breakthrough case was the exception, because most are mild, while his was fatal. >> he was courageous to the end, which is nothing less than what we would expect from him. he also knew it was important to follow the science, which was why he was fully vaccinated even though he had this cancer of the immune system. this cancer ordinarily makes it very difficult for you to mount
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a proper immune response. so when he was faced, although fully vaccinated, with a devastating disease like covid, his body was simply unable to fully protect him. this is not the typical case for the typical vaccinated american who has a normal immune system. he was suffering from a devastating immune disease and that made the infection all the more hard to combat. >> the cdc says among the more than 187 million people who have been fully vaccinated in this country, just 7,178 of them have died, which means we're talking about 0.004% of fully vaccinated americans have died of covid. i wonder what your sense is. could that statistic break through, making the case for people to get vaccinated? or are you worried colin powell's high profile death
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gives more ammunition to people who are hesitant? >> i think there are people who want to follow his example. they should pay attention to the fact that he went out early on in february and got himself fully vaccinated. he followed the science. and he was about to receive his booster shot, but unfortunately got ill before it was available to him. so we should all be following that example and following the science. we've seen with case histories in the u.k. and israel that immunity does seem to wane at a certain point and particularly for vulnerable populations, those who are older or might have a challenged immune system, boosters are highly recommended at this point. the fda is in the midst of making boosters more widely available and easier to administer. we are just there to support the fda in making sure they can get to these decisions as quickly as possible so more patients can take advantage. >> the other big headline on covid is washington state
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university fired its head football coach after he refused to get vaccinated. he applied for an exemption and was denied. what do you make of these high profile firings? there are states that are facing a deadline either now or very soon. do you support that? do you think it's working? >> i think it's important. we've seen with clearly these examples such as the new york teachers that when you have deadlines, you do sharply increase the rates of vaccination. we represent over a thousand biotech companies. and now that there's a fully fda cleared vaccine, we have also made vaccines mandatory. it's important when we think about the example of colin powell to realize that not every person who can receive a vaccine
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can be protected by it. it is so critical that everyone who can get vaccinated so we can reduce the amount of covid in our environment and protect the most vulnerable among us. >> thanks to both of you. we've got some breaking news for you now involving a figure in the mueller investigation. right now the fbi is conducting, quote, law enforcement activity at the home of russian billionaire olig deripaska in washington. his name came up multiple times in connection to russian interference in the 2016 election. >> what we know is that federal agents from the washington field office and from other field offices are conducting court-authorized search of olig deripaska's home in washington stat -- washington, d.c.
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he is closely linked to vladimir putin. he is a billionaire, as you said. according to previous reporting at nbc news back in 2016, we did a deep dive into deripaska and his relationships with paul manafort. in the course of that reporing, deripaska has been repeatedly deied a visa to enter the united states because of his connection to organized crime. in a cayman islands court petition we reviewed, a company controlled by deripaska alleged it invested 18.9 million in 2008 in a firm manafort had an interest in. it was called black sea cable.
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there was a dispute between manafort and his partners and deripaska about management fees. that lawsuit actually ended up continuing through the courts at the time and deripaska ended up suing manafort at one point. the discussions that the two of them had and whether or not there was any sort of a dialogue between manafort and deripaska was something that, as you referenced, came up numerous times during the course of the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election, specifically whether or not manafort passed material privileged information about trump internal polls, internal information about the race to deripaska. there's some indication that manafort said he did that according to some public documents released that manafort did that in order to make whole. essentially providing a briefing
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as if he was a consultant to deripaska, saying here's my insights into the election. it was investigated at the time. deripaska has never been charged and has continually denied any sort of wrongdoing whatsoever. as far as where this investigation goes into deripaska, it's unclear whether he's a target of the investigation at all. it's unclear about the subject and scope of the investigation, the substance, how long it's been ongoing. there's some other information that we're trying to track down that hopefully we can share at a time later today. nevertheless, a russian oligarch with close ties to vladimir putin, a billionaire, his home in washington, d.c. being raided by the fbi right now. >> it will be interesting if we get any specifics.
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tom winter, as always, thank you for your incredibly deep knowledge of this. coming up, we're tracking a new push from the justice department to block the restrictive texas abortion law. why they're asking the supreme court to get involved and how this is different from the last time the top court weighed in. plus, shortages of everything from groceries to toys and, yes, once again toilet paper. we've got a look at why so many store shelves are bare. many store shelves are bare ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪
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to fast track their appeal to challenge the law. pete williams is here to break down what both of these steps mean. we've seen a lot of back and forth on whether abortions can take place widely in the state of texas. it's gotten a bit confusing. take us through this request from the justice department and this new fast track appeal. >> the justice department is asking the supreme court to put a hold on the texas law. you'll recall that the supreme court said no to that request in september, but the justice department says we have different standing than these private parties that sued in the first place. we're the federal government. we can see states. we can ask the supreme court to rule that a state can't take away a constitutional right without giving people the chance to have their day in court. that's what texas has done, that's wrong. and what the justice department also says to the supreme court is, here is a state essentially nullifying your decision, supreme court. you have said in all of your rulings on abortion in the past that a state can't block abortion before the age of
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viability. here's what texas has done and it's basically flaunting, trying to nullify your rulings, don't let them do that. now, the separate case is a civil case brought by abortion providers in texas. that's the one that came up to the supreme court in september when the court said, you know, there's a lot of technical questions here, we're not sure we can even have the jurisdiction to hear this case. so they declined to stop its enforcement and that's when it first kicked in in early september. the abortion providers said we're going to go to the appeals court, but in the meantime why don't we leapfrog over it and have you take this case now? the supreme court said, texas, respond to us by thursday at noon whether we should grant this case. they're putting it on the fast track to consider whether to take the case. texas faces two deadlines, thursday at noon respond to the justice department's request for a stay on the lower court order
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that allowed texas to enforce it, and respond by thursday at noon on whether we should take this case. >> remind folks how this fits into the big picture, which is folks who are opposed to abortion have been working for a long time to write laws that could be used to mount a challenge in the supreme court to roe v wade. >> that's a case the supreme court has agreed to hear. that will be on december 1st. that is the straight up challenge to roe v wade and a law that would ban abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. it's been blocked by the lower courts. but mississippi says roe v wade was wrongly decided and supreme court you should just say that now. this is very much turning out to be the abortion term. it seems the supreme court is going to have to take on the texas case. the issue is different there. the issue in the texas case is not so much about abortion than
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chances are you've noticed it when you head to the store. they seem low on an awful lot of stuff and are warning it could get worse. shortages on groceries, potential shortages on some medicines and, yes, even the toys that may be on your kids' holiday list. many items are out of stock are take months to ship. and if stores do have what you happen, it might be more expensive. driving this is a perfect storm of worker shortages, backlogs and shipping delays. it's shaping up to make the holiday season even more
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stressful than usual. derrick, you've called this the everything shortage in your reporting. help people who don't write about economics for a living understand why going shopping right now is often such an ordeal. >> there are so many different points to touch here. i want to talk about the top four big issues that are causing what i call the everything shortage, which is a shortage of sometimes it feels just about everything. number one, very important, higher demand. americans are flush with cash. we've got savings from last year, stimulus checks, expanded unemployment insurance benefits. it's swung demand from stuff from flows from china and vietnam. you get a shortage.
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it's like a lot of people driving on the road, but you don't build more roads for more traffic. demand is number one. the following is everything else. number two, you have containers stuck off the coast of california. three, you've got blocked contains. that means the rail doesn't work the same as it used to. and four, we have a trucker shortage. we had a 60,000 trucker shortage before the pandemic. it's harder to move things around the interior of the u.s., through the ports. >> can we go back to demand for a minute? as you point out, people are flush with cash. there's been a lot of demand. people are staying home a lot more. now we're going into the holiday season. that's the time when a lot of companies make up a huge amount of their revenue. when you put those two things
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together, where does that leave us? >> it doesn't leave us in a good place. i am an optimist by nature. i'm not optimistic about this holiday season. >> is it too late to fix it? >> it's almost certainly too late to fix it in the sense that we have a totally saved christmas. there's only so much the biden administration can do. the fact is that american demand is so much higher than it was six months ago, you still have a more cars on a finite number of roads situation. that always creates traffic jams. i'm jewish, so i celebrate hanukkah. i encourage everyone to have a hanukkahian outlook.
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we're going to be dealing with this everything shortage, i think, for the next few months. >> i want to get your reaction to a couple of headlines. from albertsons food chain. the current shortages are nothing like we saw in the early days, and that food inflation is still manageable for the consumer and manageable for people like us. they report that stock futures rose after companies released their earnings today. do you see any signs of a turning point? >> i do, but i don't see it in this book. not everything is fast, right? not everything is fast. there is some good, in fact, wages are rising faster than they have in decades. you have growing uneconomy.
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this is ka boom inflation. there is a lot of good things in the economy. it is a sign of optimism from people at restaurants and hotels. we're dealing with the shortage that is a outcome of all of the demand that we're pushing into a system with limited ability to serve our demand for all of this stuff. not everything is horl, but do have your expectations set for this holiday season. the holiday will begin and some number of days or weeks later the toys that you so much desire will arrive. >> i love that, it plays into the person i love which is the present procrastinator so now i have an execution and you gave it a term, thank you, it is good to talk to you today. >> right now we're also keeping our eyes on the fast moving day
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day on capitol hill. chuck schumer just confirmed there be a procedural vote on the voting rights bill tomorrow. here is what he said moments ago. >> they are ready to work. we know disagreements run deep. but if they have good ideas, we'll work with them, we'll listen to them, and we'll work to encollude them in the final text, but republicans should not do, what they must not do, is squelch any chance for the senate to debate something light the right to vote.
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murdaugh faces. >> he was denied bond today. many expected he would be walking out. the judge said he didn't trust that he informs a mental state to handle that responsibility safely. they are presenting it back to the court. now this case that you're referencing was a 2018 case, it was a wrongful death suit after his former housekeeper allegedly fell at the moment and died several weeks later. there was about $3 million amount of money that he is accused of stealing out of that settlement that was supposed to go to her former housekeepers sons. he was called a liar and a cheat today. they say he has put a stain on the legal system here in south
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carolina and that justice needs to be accountable including people in prominent positions and maybe have a lot of means. one of the attorneys spoke about it today. >> laws that mistreat and steal from their clients, it's a real stain on the profession. we're pleased. we thought he was a danger not only to our clients but society. >> the judge also heard from south carolina investigator who has been working on these today lifting off several thing that's are investigating and will pertain to him. i think the judge will consider that as well. chris as you know this is a tangled legal web of past and present events, and this just just wasn't simply convinced
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that he should be given bond. >> katie beck, thank you for staying with us. look at these pictures. that is a plane that you see on fire. we're getting information from the waller county sheriff's office in texas. nine people were on board and in spite of the fact of what you're seeing is the plane being fully engulfed. there was one injury and no fatali fatalities. again this this was happening in waller county texas. we don't know what we have seen there. we'll keep an eye on that for you and get you details as they come in. that will do it for many this hour. "andrea mitchell reports" starts
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next. good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. this evening members of the house january 6th committee are set to vote on whether or not to hold steve bannon in contempt of congress for refusing to cooperate with their investigation. a vote that could lead to really charges against bannon. he is suing to prevent the national archives. and the fda is going to allow the mixing and matching of covid vaccines. and fight over the new texas abortion law goes back to the supreme course for a second time. they're asking the high court to temporarily block the law by banning abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. let's start with the draman

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