we appreciate it. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." this newscast will continue this very moment with my friend jeff bennett. >> it is great to be with you. i am jeff bennett. you're looking live at the white house where behind closed doors, president biden is holding court with progressive house democrats. it's part of a whirlwind push to break the stalemate and put his build back better plan finally on the path to becoming law. first was kyrsten sinema. you see her entering her private office. the other democratic senator is requiring major cuts, senator joe manchin. manchin has put the kibosh on the president's initiatives to combat climate change. democrats floated an alternative over the weekend. but faster than you can say carbon tax, today senator

manchin threw cold water on that, too. >> when will talking actually amount to action? >> we have a lot of action going on. >> are you saying you oppose the climate tax or you just aren't talking about it right now? >> the carbon tax. >> carbon tax. >> the carbon tax is not on the board at all right now. >> so now on the docket, as we said, are those house progressives, including the leader of the house progressive caucus, pramila jayapal. in about two hours from now after the president leaves the white house, they will welcome house and senate moderates. perhaps the biggest sign that something constructive could be happening is that two progressive leaders, congresswoman jayapal and bernie sanders, actually met yesterday with joe manchin. the two actually in the same room and talking to one another. no one actually in the room is letting us in on what they said. so as senator manchin tells us what is not on the board, the

question is what is? and can the president put the pieces together? joining us now to kick off the hour, correspondent leigh ann caldwell, shannon pettypiece, and with us here in the studio in washington is msnbc correspondent stephanie ruhle. we'll explain why she's in washington in a moment. shannon, meetings don't equal deals, but it does seem in the last two days or so, president biden has stepped up the ability in the white house to meet with voters. are we making progress or is it too early to tell? >> reporter: i'm not the one to ask because i was told we would have an agreement around july. this is more than we've seen as far as meetings, calls and

face-to-face meetings by president biden. i feel like there is a similar tone that we're seeing now as they try to hammer out a reconciliation bill. the white house, though, won't commit to trying to get this done before the president leaves later next week for europe, though they did indicate strongly last week that they want to see this wrapped up soon, quickly, that the talk has to come to an end and certainly the president making an effort to wrap that up. i want to say one other thing, the president is heading out to his hometown of scranton tomorrow to try again to sell this to the american public, to make that messaging campaign, but it's a really difficult time for the white house to be selling this and messaging this, because as your intro and comments from senator manchin indicate, everything is off the table or on the table, everything is up in the air. it's really unclear what the white house has to sell at this point and whether some of the key provisions like a child care tax credit or negotiating prescription drug prices are even going to make it through. so much uncertainty as they try to continue pushing this

forward. >> leigh ann, as we wait for readouts and record meetings happening at the white house, bring us up to speed. what happened in this meeting among manchin, jayapal and sanders? anything constructive as they wait this overall deal? >> reporter: we haven't gotten word of what specifically they discussed and if there was any sort of negotiation that was agreed upon in that meeting yesterday, but we are told by sources that the meeting was good and that it was productive. i'm sensing a new hint of optimism from some members, including some progressives, saying that there could be -- there is progress and that they think that a deal could actually be reached, probably not by october 31st, but in the next few weeks. so that is something different than we have heard over the past couple weeks where everyone was frustrated with each other and fingerpointing and just

downright getting angry. so now it seems like the two sides of the democratic party are starting to come together and talk to each other instead of talking past each other. i think what happens today in the meeting with president biden and the moderates separately and with the progressives will be really instructive of what happens next. i was interested in the fact that those two groups are still meeting separately with president biden, but perhaps this is because just to nail both sides down on what is in and what is out. so there does seem to be some agreement that an october 31st deadline is unlikely here on capitol hill, but there is a new tenor of optimism that i'm feeling and hearing from folks. >> okay. stephanie, i want to bring you into the conversation. first of all, it's great to have you in washington, we say you're here because you just wrapped up an exclusive interview with

janet yellen. they've got inflation and lots of labor issues. >> we covered a lot but i really had to start talking about this reconciliation bill, because she's now at the white house with all those lawmakers hashing out where they're going on reconciliation, and i was actually surprised by what she said was her top -- i said, listen, there is a lot in there, and i was guessing she would lean on tax credit and affordable child care as her top priorities. it wasn't. watch this. >> we're about to head over to the white house. what is the one thing you'd like to tell lawmakers that must be in this reconciliation bill? what do you think is the most important thing? >> well, there are many things that are very important. climate change is very high on my list, and it's high on president biden's list. there are policies to address, climate change, and the infrastructure package and in

reconciliation, and certainly a range of policies that will address the needs of families and children to make sure that children have the investments and the opportunities that they need to thrive. there is a lot in this package, and i want to say an agreement reached that will take advantage of an opportunity we have to have healthier economic growth and healthier family life. >> anything you think we could wait on? >> you know, i'm not going to negotiate about that here. this is for members of congress to sort through and see where they can get. i feel very hopeful that we will get a good reconciliation package. >> this week? >> i don't know what the timetable is going to be. >> listen, they want to take advantage of this moment, but one of the reasons right now it's so hard to sell this to the

american people, because we do not know what's in it. there's so much in there and you don't know what's going to end up being the priorities left, which is why it's very confusing. she did say she does believe this thing is fully paid for, right? she's not supposed to sell policy. she's the one who knows the math, and she argues, yes, it raises taxes, but that tax cap, they want to fund the irs. you don't have to change any tax laws, you just have to enforce them. she argues over the next ten years there's $10 trillion that could be collected. >> that's why the white house says the sum total of this infrastructure bill is zero because it's all paid for. >> that is mathematics that i'm not familiar with, but we'll see. she said there is not one thing that can be left behind. >> thanks to the three of you. a flurry of activity at the white house but also a flurry of activity of a different kind on

capitol hill where a house committee of january 6 is set to hold a contempt referral vote for steve bannon. joining us now are "washington post" national reporter and co-author of "i alone can fix it" and donya perry. hello to both of you. one of the things in donald trump's life is he uses video to press issues. he is now suing the national archives to block the release of his white house records. what might he be trying to keep out of public view? >> first off, jeff, you're absolutely right about your overall summary about the stall tactic. also the fairly broad use by the president when he was president to use executive privilege as this shield of everything. no one can testify in my

impeachment trial even if they are subpoenaed by a dually elected and appointed group of an election committee. that's not true, but that's what president trump, as president, did multiple times. also, what can he be worried about? it's unclear to us all, of course, what it is he's worried about since he has said numerous times that nothing untoward happened, that a wonderful, loving, warm crowd came to try to stop him from being unfairly denied a second term, and that they were warmly welcomed into the capitol. however, what we also know is that donald trump doesn't always traffic in truth and fact, and what we also know is what we saw with our own eyes on videotape of january 6 which was an attack of storming not just an iconic building in our government but also a symbol of our democracy, an attack on our democracy.

what we also know is the four people who have been sought out for records and testimony were with president trump on or before january 6, on the phone with donald trump before or on january 6, and they know what he knew about that attack. >> donya, the committee unveiled a contempt resolution, which says a couple things. donald trump and his team have yet to make an assertion of privilege. they also know an opinion from bannon wouldn't count since he was not an employee during the investigation. what's your view? >> i think that's been pretty well established by now. there have been many cases over

generations, and in particular, throughout the trump administration. trump has effectively used the courts to stall many actions that he doesn't want to see proceed, and one of them, of course, many of them have included executive privilege to which he has claimed absolute immunity which the supreme court has batted down pretty handily. so as this report issued by the committee points out, bannon does not have a prayer in hell, so to speak, for the assertion of the executive privilege. as you pointed out, he was a private citizen -- and that's also just not the way that privilege operates. it doesn't operate as a blanket ability to just say, hey, i'm not going to show up. it has to be piece by piece, question by question, document by document, if it even applies

at all. he's on some pretty shaky ground here. >> should congress take the case to the d.a. and should the d.a. go for prosecution? >> there haven't been many referred, of course, but we haven't seen successful convictions in generations. and, you know, it does seem to many observers that this would be a slam-dunk case. a subpoena was duly issued. he did not show up. what proof do you need? the prosecutors, should they choose to present this to the grand jury, will have to prove each element of, which in turn means that the government willingly, voluntarily and are a

specific sbenlt to defy the wall. anything we've seen in previous prosecutions where a witness said she was sick and couldn't show up, or didn't have money for the plane ticket, that's not going to be applicable here. but he could say he relied on his lawyer's advice. therefore, he wanted this to play out in the courts, and should the court order him to produce documents or to submit more testimony that he would do so. there may be some speed bumps in the road, and that may factor into doj's decision whether to proceed with the case. i think there is a consensus that fs theically. >> danya perry, we'lly continue

with you this afternoon. dale paska is a billionaire tycoon with close ties to vladimir putin and paul manafort. the two briefed tell msnbc news that the search is part of an investigation being led by federal authorities in new york. still ahead, a haitian gang makes a ransom demand for american missionaries as we learn their youngest hostage is just 28 years old. ly democrats are moving forward with tomorrow's vote on a voting rights bill without any gop support. senator raphael warnock joins me live on capitol hill. stay with us. with us

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breaking news out of texas where 21 people have survived a plane crash in waller county. the jet rolled through a fence and caught on fire as it attempted to take off from houston executive airport. everybody on board made it out of the plane safely. only one person suffered a minor injury. the ntsb will investigate the incident. $17 million. that's the ransom being demanded by a haitian gang for a group of american and canadian missionaries.

it's a $1 million ransom for each hostage. the demand reported by the "wall street journal." today we're learning more about the 17 hostages who were abducted over the weekend as they visit an orphanage in port-au-prince. among them are five children ranging in age from 3 to 17. the youngest hostage is an 8-month-old baby. correspondent jacqueline sherrill is back with us. what's the latest on the missing missionaries and the investigation with the fbi and state department officials there on the ground? >> you do, indeed, have fbi agents on the ground at the state department. the first job, of course, is to locate those 17 hostages to find out whether their health and safety is okay. then they have to try to begin to talk to those who are holding the 17 and remind them that the

u.s. does not negotiate with terrorists and does not pay ransoms to get people released like this. and then try to figure out how this gang that has a history of taking hostages will then let these people go, hopefully sooner rather than later. the biggest problem of this is it all happens with the backdrop of a country that has what you might call a pseudo-government. in this case the lack of a structured government means that you're not really able to work through the government there to get to this gang. there are ways that communications can get back and forth. there, of course, some people like the minister of justice in haiti who is participating and talking to the state department, but at the end of the day, this is not a situation that is going to be particularly easy for the u.s. government with the constraints we have on not paying hostage ransom demands

and the lack of a structured government in haiti to bring both sides together to resolve this peacefully. geoff? >> and jackie, to kerry's point of what's happening on the ground there, i want to share this picture. it was shared by the u.s. chief for migration in haiti. you see an empty road, and as he describes it, general strike, no commercial activities, no public transport. does this regularly happen in haiti? >> no, it doesn't, but because of this recent crisis with the kidnapping, people wanted to protest what's happening in the country. at this point i will say they are working with the haitian police investigating unit. they do know where these individuals are being held. the problem is this gang controls a large part of the territory, there are difficult

roads and the gang has antenna all over the place. so the minute police are going toward them, they already know the police are coming, so the prime minister is in touch with people there. there is a government in haiti. but even before the president's death, it was very difficult when you had a hostage situation in terms of trying not to negotiate or not have to pay ransom. >> this seems to rattle the people of haiti after a summer of violence and chaos. what about this particular situation is so troubling, is so different, jacqueline? >> there are hundreds of haitians that have been kidnapped just this year alone. this case is getting a lot of global attention, but haitians are living with this every day. they're afraid to leave their house. they're not the first foreigners to have been kidnapped. there have been other haitian americans and other americans, but in particular in this case you're talking about a large group of americans that were

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a newly released recording might be the last interview with colin powell. powell died yesterday of covid complications at the age of 84. the general was fully vaccinated but had been living with a blood cancer that weakened his immune system. a diagnosis he spoke about in the summer with bob woodward of the "washington post." >> i have to go to the hospital two or three times a week. i have multiple myeloma cancer and parkinson's disease. otherwise i'm fine. >> oh, i'm so sorry. >> don't be sorry for me. i'm 84 years old. i haven't lost a day of my life

with these two diseases, i can assure you. >> joining us now, chief correspondent andrea mitchell. andrea, it's great to have you here. to hear him say, don't feel sorry for him. it says so much about who he was. >> he was such an optimistic, glass half full kind of guy. with everything he was going through, to be hit with multiple myeloma, which is untreatable, and to be hit with covid and then to be hit with park i object -- parkinson's. what he describes, going to the hospital twice a week and getting treatment. it just did not get him down. >> he asked powell, who is the

greatest person. >> it's alma powell, he said immediately. she was with me the whole time. we've been married 58 years. and she put up with a lot. she took care of the kids when i was, you know, running around. and she was always there for me and she'd tell me, that's not a good idea. she was usually right. >> she was always there for her, and his long-time colleague who was there with him for decades. the fact that he had such a large influence in his life and made some mistakes as he fully acknowledged, although i to this day believe, having covered it in full context at the time and know what he was doing at the cia the weekend before that fateful u.n. security council meeting in 2003, he was trying his best to scrub the intelligence. and he did not know that the cia source curveball, whom they were

attributing all kinds of intelligence to, was actually a german intelligence source that had never been interviewed by american intelligence or verified. and that tells you so much. it also tells you a lot about the cheney-rumsfeld and their staff, both of their staffs, their access in the white house, the vice president, the secretary of defense really working behind his back and the fact that at that point, because he had opposed the war internally, he had lost the president's confidence. and that was a terrible blow as well. certainly bureaucratically. cheney and rumsfeld had worked together directly, so getting on the wrong side of them. and he was for profound reasons. he thought the iraq war was a mistake from the beginning and told the president that. >> well, he was a singular figure in american life for sure. andrea mitchell, thank you so much for being here. tomorrow could be the last

dance for voting rights legislation on capitol hill. the senate will hold a test vote on the freedom to vote act. it's all but certain to fail because it's unlikely to pick up the 60 votes it needs to get rid of the filibuster. chuck schumer said he would talk to his colleagues if that's what it takes. >> we know this runs deep. if our republican colleagues have good idea, we'll work with them. we'll listen to them. if these ideas are truly aligned with the goal to protect our democracy, we'll work to include them in the final text. >> the freedom to vote act sets minimum standards for voting, including automatic registration, two weeks of early voting and making election day a holiday. it also seeks to protect elections from undue interference. with us now from capitol hill is georgia democratic senator raphael warnock with the freedom to vote act.

senator warnock, it's good to have you with us. this bill is a compromised measure. it's pared back from the we the people act. it's written by seven democrats and ten republicans. given that, does it still meet what we want? >> tomorrow we have the opportunity to put the fire out. bypassing the freedom to vote act, this bill will secure our elections, it will make sure that every american has access to the precious right to vote no matter where they live, and it will address poison and the toxin and the dark money in our election system. this is about the future of our democracy. i think it's the most important thing we can do this congress, and that's why i've been pushing for months for us to pass voting

rights no matter what. and i'm still hopeful that our republican sisters and brothers on the other side of the aisle will at least allow us to have a debate out in the open tomorrow about the future of our democracy. and if they're not willing to have a debate, i think the american people ought to be asking why. why won't they have a debate about the thing that is most fundamental to our country, this precious and noble idea in human history. one person, one vote. i believe in it with all my heart and i'm going to fight for it with all my might. >> the white house said yesterday that the president spoke with you and senator padilla by phone about this. do you think the white house is doing enough for support for this legislation, because as you know, the white house has it right on the rhetoric, but they could be doing more on the follow-through. >> they were moving step by step

in this process. sausage making is not a pretty process. i was heartened by my conversation yesterday with the president of the united states and over these last few months. i think he understands, i know he understands the importance of this. it's an issue he worked on while in the senate, a member of the judiciary committee. back in the latter part of the summer when the republicans blocked our ability to even have a debate on this issue and we were beginning to talk more and more about infrastructure, which is something i absolutely support, i insisted then that we can walk and chew gum at the same time, we can deal with infrastructure while at the same time repairing the infrastructure of our democracy. after all, the only way we get to address climate change, health care, human rights, whatever your issue is, and a lot of issues, child care. the only way we get to move and have progress on any of these issues in our country is that we

have a democracy that's intact. and so i'm heartened by my recent conversations with the president, and more importantly, i think it's important for every senator in this chamber to stand up. the one thing that we promise to do -- you know, politicians make a lot of promises during the election, but we put our hand on the holy scripture, and we said that we would defend the constitution of the united states against enemies foreign and domestic. that's my job and i intend to do it and i hope that the folks on the other side will agree to let us have a debate. i think it's really important to emphasize that, geoff. i think that folks who go to work every day are not necessarily paying attention to all the nuances of what we do here in this house. tomorrow's vote is a procedural vote. here's the thing that i would say to my republican friends on the other side of the aisle. there is actually agreement among the american people that there is something awry in our democracy.

we all may have different takes on what that is, but we all agree, there is large agreement that there is something awry. so if something is wrong, if something needs to be fixed, if you think it's voter fraud or voter suppression, why not have a debate about it? if there are politicians not willing to have a debate out in the open in front of the american people so the american people can hear us talking to them, then the american people ought to ask themselves, if they're not willing to talk to us, who are those politicians talking to? they're just big pharma oil and gas companies. maybe it's to the big corporations. my job is to make sure the people who sent me here have a voice in their own democracy. nothing could be more important. >> i hope to have you back to talk more about the process of getting this bill across the line. but in the time we have left, i want to ask you a different question. you are the senior pastor of dr. king's church, the cradle of the civil rights movement in so many

ways. the push for voting rights was a critical part of that movement. now you're in washington, crafting and shepherding voting rights. talk about the personal arc of that for you. >> you're right, i returned to atlanta to preach most sundays, to talk to my congregation. because i'm afraid if i spent all of my time talking to politicians, i might accidentally become one. i don't intend to become a politician. i'm in the united states senate. this is about your voice. if you claim no faith tradition at all, it is about the preciousness of our humanity. that's the spirit with which i approached this work, and i go to it tomorrow with arms wide open. this is a compromise bill and we're willing to hear from the folks on the other side of the aisle. if they want to make a deal,

make amendments, we said bring them. hopefully there will be enough of them to have a conversation. but if not, we must pass voting rights no matter what, and while i think there are many wonderful things that hopefully we'll get done this congress, i think history will judge us harshly. if in this moment when we've seen a violent attack on our capitol, if the most important deliberative body is not willing to address this issue, our children are waiting and history is watching to see what we will do. >> senator warnock, i appreciate your time this afternoon, and hopefully we can have you back later in the week to talk about where this process goes next. sacked. a football coach fired over a covid-19 mandate. later we'll go to salt lake. that community tense given new controversy over equity and

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the u.s. has crossed another pandemic threshold, 45 million cases, and still we're seeing misinformation and disinformation and resistance when it comes to vaccines. in washington a deadline to get vaccinated has come and gone for state employees, and those who haven't gotten the shot are losing their jobs. that includes the state's highest paid employee, washington state university head football coach nick rolovich, who makes $3 million a year. he was fired along with four assistants. from washington to florida, where they are telling students to stay home for 40 days, they are telling people they don't want children to give the

disease to anyone. sentner academy might sound familiar because this is the same place that told teachers not to get vaccinated last spring. the vast majority of public schools, for that matter, are doing the right thing, but clear up misinformation about vaccines and transmitting the virus. >> well, in fact, the vaccines do not contain any live virus. it's a part of the virus that when introduced into our body actually allows us to develop an immune response to it, so it is not only theoretically not possible, but it's really clearly a disinformation effort to try to persuade people that there is some challenge with these vaccines, and it's terribly unfortunate. it's just simply not true. >> let's talk about the mandate in washington state. the football coach there isn't alone. 127 state employees have lost their jobs because of this mandate. these folks don't want to comply.

so we're seeing case rates, hospitalizations and deaths dropping, but we've been here before. can we ever get past this as long as people refuse vaccines? >> well, there's really one very important number we must never forget. there are currently 65 million americans who are not vaccinated who could be right now based on recommendations. they are more than enough human wood for this coronavirus forest fire to keep burning. we will see new surges in the future just as we've seen from the beginning of the pandemic, we see these big case increases that last anywhere from one to four months, and then it comes down just like we saw last june, when people thought we were out of the woods. we had vaccines and we had the case numbers dropping precipitously, and look what happened this summer. we will continue to see those kinds of surges around the country with them not yet vaccinated. that's why it's critical to get

first doses into everybody as well as working to get booster doses in those who have already been vaccinated. >> let's talk about booster doses because the fda is set to improve a mix and match vaccine approach. what's your take on that? should we all be trying to get a booster shot when it returns or do we need to stick with the shot we got before? >> i don't want to get ahead of the process. the fda will come out with recommendations on whether the vaccine should be approved. the advisory committee of the cdc will take it up later this week and the best way to use those vaccines that have been approved. we'll see what they say. i think the bottom line message is we don't want people to be confused if there is a problem with these vaccines right now. we've heard that repeatedly over the last several days, the vaccine didn't work. these vaccines are simply remarkable but they're not perfect. what we're learning as we go on,

that first of all, we established their safety and that was a key, key finding that we now can feel very comfortable. we know their safety. what we're doing now is deciding how to use them. what should be the dosage, and how should we approach that about possible mixing and matching? the public has to stay tuned. we're learning basically how to best use these vaccines to be more effective as we go. let's see what the aicp comes up with, but i think we'll see mixtures of masks occurring. coming up next, civil war. the new film about that pivotal moment in history, its aftermath, and how it haunts us to this day. and how it haunts to this day. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark.

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i received jokes a about my nose to gas chambers. there are not two sides of the holocaust. the nazis killed millions of people. there are not two sides to slavery. >> southlake has been at the center of this new texas law that requires teachers to present multiple perspectives when discussing quote, widely debated and controversial issues. it's the of the six-part podcast southlake. all episodes are now available wherever you get your podcasts. with states like texas, tennessee and florida take aim at how race and history are taught in schools, a new documentary airing sunday takes a deep look at the core issues fueling those attempts to whitewash or erase america's atrocities. the film dives into how geography, race, history and

tradition have shaped the stories americans tell or refuse to tell about slavery, the civil war and its aftermath. and how those narratives shape our believes to this day. >> no one on the civilian side of the confederate presidency was ever forced to concede and repudiate when they believed. and we allowed a group of people that waged against their government to build statues to their heroes. so that has kept it alive. we have never solved the core problem for civil war. >> joining us now is presidential historian michael beshloss. it's great to have you with us. when we're taught about the civil war, what do we keep getting wrong in the retelling of what happened? >> almost everything for most of

american history because for host of american history, had history was taught to americans all across this country about things like planning that it enslaved people were treated well, that they were happy and that the people who own them were benevolent people and that was a system that was good for america. there were textbooks that said that in the '60s and '70s and '80s that people read in the states. and the problem is that, as you know, history is not just an academic exercise. the past isn't dead. it isn't even past. if you take sort of the woodrow wilson view of slavery and the confederacy, this is a happy time for both black and white and maybe there were some accesses, but there was no serious violence against black people or suffering by black

people or institutional racism that exists to the day 2021. that's going to have a big impact on what you do politically. >> picking up on that point in the documentary, a yale historian pins the problem on the focus on reconciliation over racial justice. here's part of what he had to say. >> we have never really had a racial reckoning. the problem started first immediately after the war if you want north and south to get together and get along again rksz you don't talk about causes and consequence ps. you talk about the mutual valor on that it battlefield. >> do you agree? >> totally agree. what i would say is that how can you find justice in a society if no one knows the full extent of the injustices that were done. look at the way many americans learned about the precivil war south in the earliest part of the 20th century.

"gone with the wind", birth of the nation, all of which showed essentially the confederate view of the south. construction was abruptly ended because of a political deal in 1876. so people in the south were never forced to face the violence and the atrocities that were committed by essentially domestic terrorists in the south before the civil war. plus in the 1920s, kkk was powerful. many feem in the countryed to turn back the clock to 1959. where black people were subject and used these symbolled. they named highways after confederates who were trying to enforce slavery in this country and the result was that the past is not been known to most americans and the injustices are also unknown. >> michael, thank you so much

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