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>> in terms of where we are, i've said already, we have 90% of the bill agreed to and written. we just have some of the last decisions to be made. it is less than we had -- was projected to begin with, but it's still bigger than anything we have ever done in terms of addressing the needs of america's working families. >> one of the mistakes in this has been, all of the attention has been on what the number is. 3.5 billion, 2.8, 2.2, whatever it is, rather than what's in the bill. why are we doing this? >> all right, i want to dive right into this with representative judy chuy from california and representative yvette clark from new york. welcome to you both, ladies. thank you for joining us on this. as always, we appreciate it. representative chuy, i want to start with you on this one. i want to jump off of what we just heard from speaker nancy pelosi there. the last decisions are set to be made it, seems, at this point. it is less than democrats had

projected, but it's still going to be obviously, a huge infusion for the economy in this country and for folks that are in need, as well. talk to me about this meeting that we have been watching closely. at this point, do you feel confident the stage has been set for the final push of this reconciliation bill? >> i felt very encouraged to hear that senator manchin and schumer were at president biden's house. i felt that they were therefore in very serious discussions to finally come to a conclusion on the build back better bill. and i know that there are things that will be so transformational already with this bill, with universal pre-k, subsidized child care, but that there's more to be done to bring this to an end. the climate policies of paid family leave, as well as the expansion of medicare. but nonetheless, this is

significant progress. >> representative clark, we have heard a lot of criticism over, um, not necessarily adequately covering what exactly is in this bill. and i think one of the reasons why, despite the fact on this program, we have covered adequately what is in this bill. and i continue to listen over and over again so folks can really understand. but one of the reasons why is, it keeps getting pared down. this is off of $6 trillion. that is what democrats wanted as a whole. it's not necessarily what they're getting now. i'm having some camera issues here, by the way. then it was pared down to $3.5. now we're around $1.9 trillion or so. and of course, we know, manchin's top line is $1.75. what exactly is going to be in this thing that you know for sure stay and is not going to get cut? >> let me just say this. we are focused on the president's build back better agenda. and i have to tell you that the progressives under the leadership of chairwoman jayapal

have really adhered to that, and we see that manifested in the negotiations right now. i don't think it's helpful to try to negotiate or delineate what's in the bill on national television right now, because we're in the midst of really closing in on a deal that everyone can agree. but i believe that the vast majority of what the american people have asked for, deserved, and that president has put forth in his agenda is what we're going to receive. albeit scaled down. but i can tell you, yasmin, at the end of the day, we're putting a significant down payment on the priorities that will move this nation forward, facing all of the crises we face and we're going to pay for some of it now, but this is notover by any stretch of the imagination. as these crises continue to bear

down on the american people, we will be able to say that we got this thing done to meet the moment. and it's a tremendous moment for our nation. >> so one of it seems like the incentives of the president, right, to move across the country was to sell the build back better idea, was to sell the reconciliation bill. don't you think it makes it more difficult when folks are not necessarily being forthcoming as to what exactly is in this thing? where things stand right now? you have to at least know what you believed will stay for sure, and what is potentially on the chopping block, representative. >> well, i'm confident, when i hear our speakers speak to closing this, that she has heard her democratic caucus, which really, you know, heartens me that the vast majority of the build back better agenda will be

addressed through this reconciliation/infrastructure bill. we know that the caring economy is critical to americans getting back to work. be that home care, child care. we know that we've got to give our kids an opportunity to get a great education in this nation. that means universal pre-k across this nation. but there are a whole host of things. we know from the pandemic, for instance, that stay-at-home orders did not apply to everyone and that affordable housing is a at crisis level. in our country right now, we've got to build more affordable housing. and so, i am confident that with all of the leadership at the table, including senate majority leader chuck schumer, who is my constituent, that the vast majority of our priorities will be a part of this legislation.

it will move our nation forward. and as i've said, you know, we're going to put this sizable down payment down. and that's what it is. because the crises we face really speak to a massive investment. and we're either going to invest up-front and be proactive about it, or we're going to pay a dear price for what happens when you don't -- when you're not decisive and you don't act on these issues. >> representative chuy, i think we can all agree this is going to be a massive investment either way. you have the hard infrastructure, the possible soft infrastructure that looks like it's landing just over $2 trillion. but i do want to nail down a little bit of the nitty-gritty to what exactly is going to be ending up in this bill. and one of the things that is near and dear to my heart is paid family leave. at this company, we get four months of full paid family leave. i am incredibly lucky to have that. i have two young children. i took that to the utmost. i wish i even took more, but i didn't at the time. nonetheless, we're looking at paid family leave in the build back better program reduced from

12 weeks to 4. that's not enough time, representative chuy! four weeks is not enough time. >> well, i'm so glad that you raised this particular issue. i've actually been a champion of this provision on the ways and means committee and i was so glad that in the bill, as it passed out of our committee, it was 12 weeks of paid family leave. i think this is so essential to have and i absolutely agree with you that it takes at least 12 weeks to be able to recover from a pregnancy and birth and to be able to take care of your child. however, i have to say that this is the beginning. we start with this and we build it up and we are able to expand beyond this. once people can see the benefits of having a paid family leave program and the fact that we can

actually pay for it, let me say also that i was in california when we first put in paid family leave in the year 2002, it was for six weeks of paid family leave and governor newsom just signed law to expand it to eight weeks. so that's what i could see happening in the future. it's making sure that this program continues to expand and serve the people in the way that it should. >> this program being changed and the beginnings of that much more change down the road. thank you both. appreciate you jumping in with me on this sunday afternoon. i want to bring in my panel now. amanda renteria, and rick wilson, author of "running against the devil: a plot to

save america from trump and democrats from themselves." that is quite an undertaking, i must say. amanda renteria, let me start with you. we have been talking the hour leading up to now and of course just now about this meeting in wilmington, delaware, at the personal home of the president, right? joe manchin coming, chuck schumer coming to sit down for this last and final push, hopefully to meet the deadline, of course, of speaker pelosi being october 31st. are you optimistic at this point that they were able to get a deal done? and how crucial do you think this informal setting of a meeting at the president's home is? >> you've got to try it all. and listen, i think those kinds of meetings are where you actually build the relationship you need to build for what's ahead. for getting to an agreement, for being able to take on the messaging that's going to come at senator manchin, at democrats, and really building that tighter connection. you could see last week with manchin, with his head in his hands, that there needed to be

some rebuilding again. and biden is perfect for being able to really bring back those colleagues together again and state the importance, as things move forward, that the democratic party needs to be together and there's no doubt right now, you have virginia in the background, that election happening. that's setting the tone for the midterms. and biden needing to actually deliver on his priorities is absolutely key. and so i am optimistic that having him in the room really does help this very moment. >> rick wilson, we're looking ahead at this point to the midterms about a year away from now. and a lot of democrats are doing so as well. wanting to keep control of washington. and you can't help but wonder whether or not if that's going to be seen as a victory for the democrats, no matter the number. we know they have pared this down significantly. if they're able to get it through, will it be significant? >> i promise you, you could hook jumper kabls up to most voters,

they won't be able to tell you the number. the fact that it gets done is getting it done. the fact that it is accomplished is the only thing that matters. and it's going to have a marginal utility for voters in the coming election. this election is most likely going to end up being nationalized by one side or the others very quickly. if republicans nationalize the election they're trying to do right now on critical race theory and antifa and black lives matter and anti-vax craziness, then that framing is what we'll fight out next year on. if the democrats are going to fight out the framing on covid and economic recovery, they better hurry. they need to get this done. they need to land this plane and move forward. because they need to frame faster than the republicans do. and the republicans honestly, my old tribe is pretty good at this work. so the number doesn't matter. the accomplishment itself is what matters. it gives them something to hang a hook on and say, i passed the build back better, it's helping our community. boom, you're done.

voters don't get into the granular weeds of what program got "x" billion or "y" billion, they want to hear something moved forward in washington. and it's good for the president, because it shakes lose this thing that the conventional wisdom media in d.c. has been trying to hang around. oh, we can't get the deal done. we're getting the deal done. everybody needs to take a deep breath. >> we try to, and then we start hyperventilating once again. it's just like, the truth of covering the whole insanity of washington and the way that it is. so i want to dig a little bit into kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. they were not household names. and now they certainly are because of the role they've played over the last six months or so with these negotiations. and i want to read for you, rick, a little bit from matthew iglesias had a column out today talking about the differences between kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. given the varied set of positions that sinema, a former

green party activist and one-time progressive firebrand in the arizona senate has had over the course of her kroob wst the a little hard to know where she's coming from in her latest political incarnation, but her brand of renegade politics is fundamentally a dead end in ways that should be appreciated, even by those of us who would think that the democratic party would benefit from a bit more. and the argument is, no one knows where kyrsten sinema stands. at least joe manchin is saying, this is where i stand. this is my top line. this is what i won't go beyond. >> and let's be honest. washington, d.c. understands characters like joe manchin. he's transactional. he's wheeling and dealing. he's making a thing that is in his head best for him politically and best for his state financially. sinema is a much more sort of elliptical figure. you can't quite pin down what she wants. but with manchin, you know what he's after. the guy absolutely transparent about it. and it harkens back to a kind of older washington. not necessarily -- not

necessarily a great kind of washington. it's transactional and transactional politics leads to corruption. but, look, you sometimes have to make a deal with the devil. and so the deal that's being made here is being cut with manchin. sinema will either come along or not. i think this means that schumer has at least one or two other votes in his pocket that he's now confident on. and if you break manchin, you break it. >> hey, amanda, quickly. i want to talk about the virginia governor's race. we have been spending a lot of time on this. we saw former president barack obama stumping on behalf of terry mcauliffe yesterday. it seemed like he sure as heck missed doing just that on the campaign trail. he really brought it yesterday, to say the least. and it seemed like he made it into a national election, despite the fact it is obviously very much about virginia, because it's as if it was a reflection of the president's first year in the white house and how he's doing, and want to look ahead in the year to come. your crystal ball on this?

where do you think this goes? >> i think it's looking pretty good. i think it's very important to have president biden come in and have all of that energy and fun on the stage, because it was uplifting and it reminded people of what is possible. i think right now, his message of how people were tired, are tired, and it's now time to keep moving forward, absolutely hit where people are. but, you know, not only is this a test of this administration and what people think about this administration, but it's also a test of how much juice does trump have? because people are going to be looking at that going into the midterms. >> amanda, rick, thank you guys, both. appreciate it. enjoy the rest of your day. great to see. still ahead, everybody, the untold story of the civil war, a new documentary looks at the facts versus what we learned in school. >> and in order to make peace, we told ourselves a certain story about it. and for a long time, we had trouble telling the difference between that story and the truth. >> how those on the losing side

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welcome back, everybody. tonight, msnbc will be making history by looking into the past. the documentary "civil war" is going to examine how the great divide between north and south is actually taught in schools today and how that teaching impacts race relations. here's a glimpse.

>> i have been conditioned to think of emancipation as an ending point. so i realize that freedom was not just like liberation. freedom was like owning your humanity, operating in your full humanity, being recognized for your full humanity. i think that the spirit of slavery that i talked about before, that makes color a mark of degradation is still very much with us. and i think for too long, the onus of racism has been put on people of color to solve, when this is not really like a people of color issue. this is like a white supremacist issue, where white people need to talk to other white people about how they can overcome these issues. white allies today have to take a very radical stance. >> one of the voices you're actually going to hear in the documentary tonight is stephanie rolfe, a doctor of history at milsap college in jackson, mississippi, and stephanie is joining us now. stephanie, it's great to see you this afternoon. thank you for joining us on

this. i can't wait to watch this documentary. i've heard so many incredible things about it and the making of it and it's so incredibly important for our nation's history and for so many of us to learn the truth, right? i guess my question to you is, what do your students actually know about the civil war when you first meet them? >> they know quite a bit. so i'm at milsap college in jackson, mississippi, and only recently did we change the flag to remove that confederate flag symbol from the top left corner. a lot of my students come in with a lot of family history and the stories that get passed down from generation to generation about who served in the confederacy. on the other side, i have students of color, black students who have a long history in the south, whose families sometimes know what that lineage is and sometimes they don't. and so i think they come in with a little bit of trepidation and a little bit of defensiveness,

in some cases, about how that popular topic is going to be taught. >> right now -- and i want to bring up this next, guys. you have 28 states who have passed or debating banning the teaching of critical race theory, stephanie. which is incredibly troubling, right, to a certain extent, whitewashing our history in this country. what do you make of that, of kind of the epidemic that's happening across this country? >> well, i think that it -- it does create some concern. i think this is something that in some ways, as history scholars snuck up on us in terms of this sort of just being a fixture in the way that we present controversial history and in the way that we talk to our students about this history's troubled and complicated past in a way to better understand where we are and why we haven't made as much progress as we wish we would

have. you know, i think that there is a -- there is a bit of a struggle, you know, when i get first-year students any early u.s. class, to kind of help them enter that space with this understanding that that class, which is kind of a basic survey class, is one where we're going to be doing a lot of myth busting. and a lot of the myth busting that we do is based on what they have learned in their k-12 education. and it's surprising, for all of my students. i think sometimes to get into the long history of slavery and the persistence of inequality in the aftermath of emancipation. and just sort of making our way through that space in a way that is going to enable them to enter the conversation. in a way that makes them feel comfortable and open-minded. >> why do you think now is the time more than ever to be having this type of conversation and the teachings when it comes to

race and of course, the history of the civil war. >> i think that this has been the case for the entirety of the country's existence. that we really have to engage this all of the time. the reason why it feels so pressing now is because we are -- we are, you know, over the past several years, have confronted these deeply seeded issues in a really direct way. and one of the ways that i talk to my students about this and to colleagues and to folks who sort of doubt, you know, the validity of teaching this way is that, you know, as we look at the racial reckoning that defines the summer of 2020, i think that you do see a lot more interest in understanding the systemic problems that are still around us, and especially for white people. i think it's really difficult for them to recognize some of these things. and so, unfortunately, it takes

more of the shocking events to get people's -- to get white people's attention about this, but certainly historians are doing this in the classroom every day with our students, and doing it through the lens of the discipline and what history actually does show us. there's a lot of the issues that are being contested in the public space, especially related to the civil war are not really tested for historians. scholars generally agree on the causes of the war, the aftermath of the war, and how the memory of the war helped shape where we are today. >> so much to learn here. stephanie rolph, we thank you and we will all be watching tonight, "civil war." watch "civil war," 10:00 eastern tonight on msnbc. we'll be right back, everybody. n tonight on msnbc we'll be right back, everybody definitely higher.

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abortion rights. the supreme court is going to hear arguments from the state of texas and the doj over the state's ban on abortions after six weeks. and one week later, arguments on a separate mississippi law will be heard. and now we have learned arkansas is likely to be the first state to pass a bill mirroring the texas ban. abortion rights advocates across the country have not faced this serious and this many threats since their cause began. i'm joined now by arkansas state representative denise emmett and emily wales. welcome to you both, ladies. thank you both for joining us. emily, i'll start with you and i want to read justice sotomayor's dissent, of course, to the texas six-week ban that will be standing until they hear arguments and make a decision subsequently in the supreme court. and she wrote this. the promise of future adjudication offers cold comfort for texas women seeking abortion care who are entitled to relief now. you can't help but think and

wonder as to whether or not this decision to keep the texas sb-8 law in place is only an indication as to where they're going to land when it comes to the supreme court. >> that's certainly a very real concern for us. obviously, we're watching closely what's happening in arkansas, but planned parenthood abortion service also provides services in oklahoma and texas. we've seen hundreds of texas patients coming across state lines, often in crisis, seeking access to care that is still constitutionally protected. >> i've got to say, emily, i've been reporting on this story for quite some time. i was actually in louisiana, speaking to women that were coming across the border from texas to seek out abortion services in the state of louisiana, because they could no longer do so in their own state. and there was this idea that texas was really a test case. people were watching and saying, if this is actually going to work in the state of texas, we are then going to institute this

type of law in our state. and that's exactly what's happening in the state of arkansas. were you prepared for something like this? have you guys been preparing for this after having dealt with sb-8. >> we've been watching it since before the texas law took effect. as a neighboring state, we knew that the impact would be real for us, that they would see these patients and they would be scrambling with child care and work arranges. so we tried to prepare our staff, and right now we're in the process of trying to communicate to the legislature and to the public in arkansas just how cruel this law is and what the real impact is on patient's lives. but you can only do so much to prepare, both for when a region loses access to care, it is a huge strain on other providers in the region, and also, it's hard to prepare patients who don't yet know that they will need access to these services and have no idea that it may be totally inaccessible to them. >> state representative emmett, let's talk about what's happening in your state there. you have senator jason rafert saying that he is going to introduce this bill tomorrow, which will likely include the

same kind of vigilante bounty system that sb-8 has. how are you going to fight it? what's the plan? >> well, it depends on -- first of all, i want to say thank you for having me on your program. it depends on if the governor put this in on his call, special session. if he does, we will work diligently with our more moderate colleagues on the other side of the aisle to try to defeat the deal. >> rafert also says that arkansas is already the most pro-life state and it will have no problem passing. state representative emmett, do you agree with that? >> i'm hopeful. in politics, anything is possible. i'm hopeful that we can work on the other side -- work with the moderates on the other side to help defeat this bill. in this past session, we've passed at least ten

anti-abortion bills, so this texas-style abortion bill is not really needed here in arkansas. >> emily, there is this argument to be made that i've heard quite often from legal scholars about the fact that abortion clinics should continue to offer abortion services, even in states that seek to restrict abortions. for instance, in texas. because it seems as if folks that are anti-abortion rights are not willing to go the in actually prosecuting anybody, because they know if the constitutionality of sb-8 is challenged, it will fail. >> you will see there is really restricted access in texas right now, because of the threat of these lawsuits, the vigilante justice approach is very concerning to providers. and i think the anti-choice, people who are behind the law,

who worked with anti-choice legislatures have been somewhat disciplined in not just bringing a flurry of suits, but we know that that could happen at any time. and at the end of the day, the chilling effect of a law like texas is, whether care remains safe and legal in the state. the people that are coming to us in oklahoma say they are concerned about whether they'll get arrested when they return to their home state. they're concerned about whether the people who give them rides will have this lawsuit filed against them. patients know that there's a threat and that has a very real impact on its own. >> there was a woman i spoke to in louisiana, anecdotally, who told me that she was afraid for her life. she was afraid that someone would see her texas plates at an abortion clinic in louisiana, they would follow her to her hotel room, they would harass her. she was fearful for her safety and for her life. that she was going to get a hotel room with a balcony, to make it look as if she was there on vacation, so it didn't seem that she was suspicious for any other reason. and that's incredibly hard to hear, anecdotally, stories like

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"the washington post" reporting today on a command center, set up by some of president trump's most loyal supporters, led by rudy giuliani, at the willard hotel, in the days leading up to january 6th. the papers say they were working day and night with the goal of overturning the results of the 2020 election. their activities included finding and publicizing alleged cases of fraud and urging members of state legislatures to challenge joe biden's victory. the january 6th committee considered steve bannon's reported presence in the war room in its efforts to try to compel testimony from the trump adviser. the house voted this week to pursue contempt of charges against bannon for defying the subpoena. and a short time ago, adam schiff was asked about what will happen if the u.s. attorney's office declines to follow through on that effort. >> if congress can't enforce its subpoenas, it ceases to be a

force of power and becomes a plaything for a corrupt executive. we're contemplating what's plan "b," plan "c," but i don't want to go into those at the moment, because we're really counting on plan "a". >> schiff made some other news, saying that jeffrey clark is expected to testify to this committee, though he wouldn't confirm reports that the deposition will be held on friday. clark has emerged as a key player in donald trump's push to amplify his voter fraud claims. he was in close contact with the former president in the days leading up to january 6th and wrote and circulated a letter urging the georgia governor to have officials in that state investigate unfounded claims of voter fraud. all right. coming up, everybody, career burnout. more than 4 million people quit their jobs in august alone. coming up, why covid is leading many to change direction. hey, there. tonight at 9:00 eastern on

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welcome back, everybody. millions of americans are taking a risk, leaving their jobs for careers in new fields. in august alone, more than 4 million people left their job, in many cases, leaving those roles unfulfilled. joining me now, two of those americans with new career paths. sarah webb, who was laid off from her job at a zoo and former tv news anchor, lynn smith, left her on-air job, moving to consult and then to tv journalism. i want to start with you on this one. i mentioned that you were laid off from your job at a zoo.

you were working with animals. and you've talked about how the skills that you learned at that job, you are now using in your new career path as a death doula. explain to us what you're doing, what a death doula is, and how that journey has been for you. >> it's something that i could never have imagined, but when i started working as a death doula, i put it out there into the world and my contacts that that's what i was doing, and i had some people share that who were part of the zoo field, because those were my former colleagues. and i had some institutions reach out to me and ask to get my advice on dealing with the loss of animals at their institutions. it's a really unique pain that a lot of keepers experience and knowing that they're talking to someone who has been through the exact same thing, has led them

to really share with me. >> lynn, full disclosure, you and i have worked together. full disclosure, i adore you, as a friend, as well, so i'm so happy you're joining me. >> full disclosure, same. >> so happy you're joining me on the programdisclosure. >> so happy you're joining me on the program today. you and i have talked about your transition and i know it's been a nerve racking and scary one, but it's been the right time for you for all intents and purposes. talk to me about why you decided to do it now. >> as a working mom and i think a lot of working moms felt this way. this pandemic gave us all a permission to fail at these unrealistic expectations that are put on modern mothers. i think i looked at the job i had, the time i put into it and the time i spent way from my children and i said it's just not worth it anymore. it was worth it. but not anymore. i needed to know i had a purpose

and i was making an impact. even in this new path of my career, it is so intentional what i do. that i work with people -- even breaking news, i signed on to work with munchkin as the host of their podcast and i spoke to the founder and said the reason i would want to work for a program like this, it's because of their mission as a company. that's what i want to do and i think a lot of people are reassessing that and i do realize that it is an incredible privilege to be able to make those switches and changes and i hope this is a call to action to a lot of corporations to reassess flexibility for employees and whether or not they want to retain that great talent by giving them some of those options that can help them balance that life with their family. >> sarah brings up a good point. this idea of feeling fulfilled in this new career path and making this transition. i'm hearing that in lynn's voice and journey.

do you feel more fulfilled now despite the fact that you didn't necessarily leave your job willingly? do you feel more fulfilled now in your new path forward? >> i certainly feel very fulfilled. zoo keeping is a calling. not just a career. so i knew when i did transition into something new, i knew i had to be just as passionate about. i have a different quality of life now. i don't have as much securities as far as finances and insurance and things like that, but there's a lot to be said the work i'm doing and the way it lets me set my own pace of life. >> were you scared for this new path? >> i have been at times, but honestly, i felt so compelled to do it during this particular

time when death is so much more on everyone's mind than it has been and there's so much fear out there. i just see so much work to do and so many ways that i can help. i, i felt very confident that no matter what, it would be of help to the world. >> so, lynn, what do you say to people to folks that are wanting to make this transition, but they're scared? they're worry about the uncertainty of it all. of building up those contacts. of clearing that path forward for themselves. >> and the one thing that i will say is you cannot avoid the scary and if you are scared, it's probably the right thing. many people have said to me in this time, oh, i wish i had that choice. i can't make that choice because i'm a single mom or whatever it is that their circumstances and i will say to them, no job. no matter how secure the paycheck is, is secure. there are layoffs. there are changes. are you doing something that makes you feel fulfilled and are you making an impact? because as we saw, there's a very short amount of time that

is not promised that we can make that kind of impact and it is a situation we can't ignore either. there are 1.5 million mothers that are still missing from the workforce and it's because they don't have access to childcare. they don't have some of these things that we are fortunate enough to be able to pursue and continue our careers. we cannot afford to lose them in the workforce. >> lynn smith, used to it, my friend. wrapped it up quit. >> sarah webb, great to have you. kisses to you, lynn. kisses to you as well, sarah. >> coming up, the run and my message to those in washington. we'll be right back. hose in wasn we'll be right back. three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. voiceover: riders. wanderers on the road of life. the journey is why they ride.

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watching the reconciliation process play out. it's long and drawn out and it's the result of two things. actually, three. first, republicans completely one willing to get on board with social change. second, two senators who refuse to budge on their view of the filibuster and the third being the slim almost nonexistent majority the democrats hold in the senate, hence being dependent on the two senators. one of which is kind of hard to nail down what she wants or why. especially considering her past criticism of folks who did the same thing she's doing now. it certainly made the two of them, manchin and sinema, of

course, household names if that's what they were going for, and the only two people integral to get it over the finish line. some could argue that if biden's agenda is sunk, it's on them. and the republicans' refusal to negotiate. i find it amazing that our government run by folks in washington and legislation that could help americans is constantly held up by the personal interests of a few. especially when it's something as simple and important as voting rights. we just emerged from one of the most traumatic elections in our history where an election lie was pushed around the country resulting in an attack on our capitol and a loss of life. where voting became more important than ever and now voting rights are under attack and nothing is being done to protect them. again, because of two people. what can be done? the barely there control in either party needs to be expanded. so one party has a better chance

of getting things done and not controlled by a few. what does that come down to? voting. what's under attack? voting. what needs to be done? vote. it's ironic. it's reality. that wraps up the hour for me, everybody. i'll be back here next saturday and sunday, don't worry. 3:00 p.m. eastern. now to politics nation. good evening and welcome to politics nation. today out of atlanta, georgia. tonight's lead, a fight on two fronts. right now, president biden is working hard to save one of the center piece policy platforms of his presidency. not just from republicans in congress or the maga or maga crowd, but also from waring factions within his own party who are at