into in west virginia and new jersey. so there are answers. we have answers. we have actual solutions, and you know, in terms of the -- cultural issues, those issues take hold for republicans when democrats don't act, right? you should say for democrats are dealing with schools, yeah, parents should be partners here. my job is to make sure your kids have a good school to go to. my job is to make sure pre-k is delivered to your child. that is my job. and you take the sting out of these cultural issues, you drain the power of them. >> thank you all for being with us this morning, and that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters

in new york city on this very big wednesday, november 3rd, we have a ton to get to. let's get to the news and let's get smart e. it was a huge win for republicans in the virginia governor's race last night. glenn youngkin knocking off terry mcauliffe by more than 70,000 votes, and there's potential for an even bigger shocker in my home state of new jersey. the governor's race there still too close to call. this was a state where incumbent phil murphy was supposed to win easily. instead he's leading the republican jack chit rel lee. last night was a dream situation for the republicans. for democrats it is a nightmare or at the very least a wake-up call. the question is are they going to wake up, and what did republicans take away from last night? it wasn't a trump night. i want to dig into all of this with steve kornacki. he's at the big board, rehema

ellis in hoboken, new jersey, and chris jansing in leesburg, virginia, and managing editor of saab doe's crystal ball. donna edwards, joins us, former democratic congresswoman from maryland, and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida who's no longer affiliated with the party. new jersey, your home state and mine, i have not heard people talking about bergen county this much since the cone heads moved there. what happened? >> phil murphy right now with a lead of just under 1,700 votes on here. it has been -- this is true talking to republicans and democrats in new jersey. they are both confused and frustrated by how the vote return has been reported out here. there's been a lot of question marks about exactly what's left, where it's left, what type of vote is left. here's our best sense of it right now. you mentioned that murphy has

that small lead right now. we believe there is still a fairly significant number of election day votes. that is to say votes that people cast in person at the polls yesterday in essex county, a couple of dozen precincts perhaps in essex county. this is a big democratic county , as you know, i think anything else that comes out of essex is going to help murphy. another one you have here is mercer county, trenton area, state capitol. this is a blue county, we think, we're trying to mail it down. the vote by mail you're talking about -- >> they don't start counting until last night at midnight, yeah? >> it varied by county, and not every county has reported out a publicly exactly, you know, what the breakdown is in terms of what they've counted by mail. when you look at what they have reported out here, it suggests that what's left in mercer county is the mail. if that's true, that would be thousands of additional votes plurality for murphy because the vote by mail is so heavily

democratic. so again, essex county, mercer county. we also think there is some vote left to come in in camden county. this is a core democratic county. so there's a number of places on this map here where it looks like there are pockets of votes that murphy is going to benefit from. so you see that advantage there of 1,600. you could see him building it with anything that i just gave you there. one thing you're looking for -- >> look at this, 49.64, both of them, even no matter what the result at this point, though, how much of a shock is this to phil murphy and new jersey democrats who thought they had this in the bag. >> big picture, you talk to democrats in new jersey, you talk to republicans in new jersey in the final week of this campaign. they were not talking about this being competitive. they were talking about maybe this could be a single digit race. this is the backdrop for this. biden won the state by 16 points a year ago. what i'm pointing to you here now is a path. you can kind of glimpse a path

that could get murphy to a victory. there's still some question marks and haziness. the best case for murphy right now is to get like a point, point and a half victory in his re-election. this is something no democrat expected. by the way, the surprise is so great here in new jersey for democrats, the state senate president, the major force in state politics is also closely aligned with one of the biggest power brokers in the state. looks like he is on the verge of losing his re-election, his opponent spent $150 on the campaign. >> 150 total? >> $150 and had a facebook page. that is what happens when the republican at the top of the ticket here, chet rel lee does this much better than expected. you start looking down the ballot, you can find surprises, the state senate president in new jersey is in danger of losing his seat this morning

because jack chit rel lee so exceeded expectations. >> that is a wow. you are in hoboken new jersey, i'm looking at bergen county, traditionally deeply blue. what happened? were people voting against murphy. this is a high tax state with people saying they don't want their taxes raised. we've seen more and more people from new jersey leave the state because of the high taxes. >> hey, stephanie, i think it was a combination of both things or a couple of things by talking to people here. the people of new jersey have a voice as you well know, this is your home state. what ciattarelli did is he listened to and made their voice his message. that is what you are talking about, the frustration with the economy, the high taxes, the highest property tax of any state in the country, and there was anger in this state over the handling of covid, the vaccination mandates and the masking. much of what people were saying is hurting small businesses.

it kept their kids out of school for far too long. that became his message what people were saying. listen to what his message was to people in the early hours of the morning as the vote was coming in and it was razor thin. >> we have sent a message to the entire country, but this is what i love about this state if you study its history. every single time it's gone too far off track. the people of this state have pushed, pulled and prodded it right back to where it needs to be. >> so that's what he thinks he was doing for people, pushing the state back to where so many people said that they wanted it to be, and that's a way to bring back the economy for people here and to ease the mandates on vaccines and masking. stephanie. >> remember, new jersey is a state of a whole lot of small businesses. there's not a lot of big business there, and they complained day after day. there was lack of communication. they didn't know what the covid

rules were, and they went out and voted. steve, i want to go back to you. we got to talk about virginia. how did glenn youngkin pull this off? >> let's take a look. you see young kin just about all the vote counted in virginia, about a 70,000 victory. the short answer is he improved everywhere relative to where donald trump was here in the state a year ago and trump lost by ten points. we can zoom in on a couple of interesting factors that go into it. let's start here in henrico county, this has become a major source of support for democrats in recent elections. compare what happened last year, biden won this thing by almost 30 points. mcauliffe wins it last night, but now it's down to 18 points. one of the goals for youngkin was in places like henrico counties, suburban counties in northern virginia, republicans had lost a ton of ground in

places like that, specifically during donald trump's presidency. this is how blue it got with donald trump as president. so youngkin was able to roll back the clock a little bit, take republicans back a little bit towards where they were in the suburban areas before donald trump came along. that alone would not have been enough for him to win statewide. we saw it in fairfax county, loudoun county as well. that alone would not have been enough to win this statewide for glenn youngkin. he also drove up massive numbers. you can talk about southwest virginia, south side virginia, the shenandoah valley, a lot of trump counties in here, places where donald trump, there was sort of a surge trump vote in 2020. trump did actually better than republicans typically to. i think it was a fair question coming into last night, could youngkin -- could youngkin lock in that same level of support. he actually exceeded it.

we could just go county after county and pick rural counties here, southwest virginia. i'm just showing you carroll county kind of at random here. look how much donald trump squeezed out of this in 2020. he got more than 80% of the vote. youngkin didn't just match what trump got here. he exceeded it. he takes republicans up to 83.5%. he rolled back some of the big democratic surge in the suburbs, and he supplemented it with improving on the trump surge in rural virginia. it goes a long way to explain that result. >> wow, surprising night. kyle, the messaging for terry mcauliffe, at best it was very messy. he focused on covid. he focused on trump. he focused on abortion. it sure sounds like voters cared about education and the economy. was that his fatal flaw? >> well, look, i think the biggest problem for terry mcauliffe and phil murphy to the extent that he underperformed from 2017 is that there's a democrat in the white house now as opposed to donald trump being in the white house. what you see over and over again in these races and also in sort

of off year and midterm elections more broadly is that holding the white house is a real problem, and that typically the party that doesn't hold the white house is more motivated to show up, and i think we definitely saw that in virginia where i think democratic turnout was pretty good. mcauliffe got more votes than ralph northam did in north am's blowout four years ago. republican turnout was off the charts basically everywhere. there's just motivational problem for the presidential party that, again, pops up. again, democrats had some poor results in other places across the country. you know, i think that you had had the full midterm last night, i think we'd be talking about republicans making big gains in the house and senate and governorships all over the country, and so this is definitely a warning sign for democrats if the environment doesn't change and biden's approval rating doesn't go up, they are in big trouble for next year. >> chris, let's talk about education. it was huge in loudoun county. democrats are saying, well, this was all about critical race

theory, which isn't even true, but is it more than that for parents? there are parents who don't care about politics, but they're exhausted. they continue to fight with schools, fight with teachers unions, schools were closed for over a year, and they're angry about learning laws. they're angry about what their kids have gone through. are democrats discounting all that parents are angry about when it comes to education? >> not the ones i talked to, stephanie. i will tell you, and i've been texting with a lot of democrats, they're reeling this morning across the state to steve's point, this is a place where joe biden won by 25 points, and youngkin dropped that by 15 points. he gained 15 points among those voters and i actually spent the weekend all weekend with suburban women, a lot of them moms exactly the folks that you're talking about. they're the key demographic for both sides, and they told me they were very worried about glenn youngkin's message on education and not necessarily because of critical race theory

but because their neighbors were telling them how exhausted they were after 18 months of covid, how long their kids had been out of school. they felt that youngkin was addressing that, terry mcauliffe wasn't. and it was kind of prescient really when you look at the exit polls. a couple of them said they were worried about youngkin's economic message. a number of them said to me i can't afford to buy milk. youngkin said he's going to eliminate the tax on groceries and finally i would say in talking to democrats, they agree with kyle. they say in these suburban areas this wasn't just about in 2020. people being sick of donald trump. they also were looking at the democrats and joe biden who said we're going to make things better, we're going to get things done, and in fact, that hasn't happened the way they see it. so i think there were a lot of signs here. i certainly heard it from suburban women i spent time with.

i heard it from voters, for democrats i think the breadth and the definitiveness of this has taken folks by surprise. and while republicans seem to find in glenn youngkin a path forward for 2022, the democrats i talk to disagree about what the lesson is about this. >> donna, let's drill down on democratic messaging, specifically about the economy. there's -- i want to share part of an opinion column in "the washington post" yesterday where they said almost two-thirds of americans say the economy is poor. a majority have said they believe biden was not handling it well. instead of taking these concerns seriously, many who should know better are telling americans they're wrong to be angry. should democrats be talking more about the day-to-day issues at the gas tank and the grocery store. paid family leave is hugely important, but for many people it's a goal, and their immediate need is being able to afford that milk and gas. >> well, i do think that you never tell voters that they're wrong about the things that they're telling you that they're

concerned about, and so i think it's democrats -- democrats have to get smart about the way we talk about kitchen table issues, listening to the voters that chris jansing talked to. these are issues that are near and present to people's lives. how do you pay for the milk, how do you buy gas to get to work, and you know, as national as we want some of these races to be, the fact is that democrats going into 2022 need to focus on what's going on at home, even though there's a broader national political environment because at the end of the day, people vote their own pocket books, their own families, their own neighborhoods, and you know, and democrats have to get smart about addressing those issues even in this confused national landscape. >> david, what do republicans take away from last night as

they look to 2022? last night we saw a candidate who kept trump away from him actually win. >> that's right. >> is that a message to other republicans that donald trump may be beloved by a limited base, a base that didn't put him in office for a second term but he loses on all other counts? >> that's exactly right, stephanie, and look, republicans had the opportunity of running in a macro environment. it was difficult for democrats, inflation is up. congressional democrats are in disarray. covid policy is kind of ping-ponging back and forth. we saw president biden on the world stage with afghanistan. this is not a good environment for democrats and so republicans have the luxury of just saying, hey, we'll do better, right? and that actually does resonate. you hit on a very fine point, which is the shift away from the biden plus ten in virginia or biden plus 16 in new jersey does suggest that the success of joe biden was in making promises to progressives, suggesting to

moderates that he would be that moderate hand and also suggesting to anti-trump performing voters, independents, democrats, republicans, that joe biden was not donald trump. last night donald trump wasn't on the ballot. you saw glenn youngkin and other republicans get as much of the trump brand as they wanted to maximize the appeal but also distance themselves. and this is the critical lesson, frankly, for democrats in swing states in '22. florida democrats, pennsylvania democrats, texas democrats who think they have a shot. look at what happened in virginia last night. the republican brand without trump is a strong brand in many of those states. now, the paradox is republican candidates need trump to get through their primary. what we saw in virginia is there is a successful way to thread the needle from the primary to the general. >> kyle, the argument we hear all the time is you have to fire up the base. but the democratic base is progressives. the republican base are trumpers. neither one was the key to victory for their candidates

last night or in 2020. do both parties need to recalibrate and stop focusing on their bases and start focusing on everyone else or at the very least broaden out their base so they can get through the primaries? >> yeah, look, it's a combination of base turnout and persuasion, and i think, you know, in virginia and likely in new jersey, too, the votes are still being counted there. i think we saw that republican candidates were able to benefit from really high republican base turnout, but also that they did make inroads as steve showed on the big board that they made inroads in places that trended away from them, particularly during the trump years, and so it's a combination of both, and if you've got, you know, the right candidate and the right environment, which i think glenn youngkin was in virginia, you know, you can do the persuasion, and you can also benefit from the base turnout without necessarily having to do big rallies with donald trump. if youngkin had wanted donald trump to do an in-person rally

for him, trump would have happily done it. but he still benefitted from the big trump turnout anyway. >> donna, i have to ask, a lot of people are surprised that abortion, what's happening in places like texas didn't motivate more voters. is that because a lot of people in places like new jersey, think if this does become a state issue, it won't become illegal in their state. it won't matter to them? >> well, i do think that we're going to have to figure out how it is democrats -- how it is to message to those voters who are moved by abortion rights, but i think that there's a limitation, and i think the challenge for democrats is going to be able to find voters to move on one issue and then, you know, try to move voters in the middle and independents on the broader questions in their various congressional districts and

states, and abortion may not be that issue. >> all right, donna, david, kyle, rehema, chris, steve, thank you all so much. very, very busy morning. coming up, we're going to stay on our top story. warning sign for democrats with a loss in virginia, warning sign for republicans. you don't need trump. maybe he's your anchor. and the race to new jersey still too close to call, so how do both parties respond? plus, 28 million kids now eligible to get the covid vaccine. the challenges that lie ahead as doctors start putting shots in arms. that's next. s start putting shon arms that's next. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world.

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this morning it's a day that millions of families have been waiting for. overnight the cdc director signed off on pfizer's low dose covid vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11 after an agency panel recommended it. that panel which includes many parents voted unanimously to approve more than 28 million children can now get it if their parents allow. and pfizer is already rolling out millions of shots after the white house said the kids vaccination program should be fully up by next week. pfizer's ceo says they're ready. >> the u.s. government has -- with us that basically covers every kid of this country. >> cal perry outside children's national hospital in washington, also with us dr. tonya altman, a

pediatrician and a spokesperson for the american academy of pediatrics. cal, vulnerable kids are getting their first doses now. what is being communicated to parents across the country in terms of getting their kids vaccinated? there's been a lot of talk about panels and waiting and approvals. it's confusing. >> reporter: the waiting is over. shots are going into arms this morning. certainly the more vulnerable children are going to get those shots first. talk to your pediatrician, talk to your pharmacy. those shots will be widely available by next week. this is the first day in a year and a half of covering our front line medical workers where i'm seeing smiles in those morning meetings. this is a day that they have long waited for. it is what could help unlock our school systems. another third are saying they're not going to get vaccinated. take a listen to what the ceo of children's hospital told me this

morning about why it's so important. >> we have kids in the hospital. they're on ventilators. thankfully most of them recover, but there's also this long haul syndrome that happens in adults, but it also happens in kids. why put your kid through that or take the risk of that where they might have a long-term problem with their heart or their brain? >> reporter: the vaccine has an efficacy rate of 91% in children ages 5 to 11 and the main side effect is a small price to pay, stephanie. sore arms. that's really what we've seen in the trial data. >> doctor, you just heard cal say it. a third of parents want to wait to get their kids vaccinated and another third have said they definitely do not want to do it. as a medical professional, do you believe there has been a communication failure that's caused this hesitancy? >> well, you know, i think that initially it looked like kids weren't getting as seriously sick. we know that's definitely not true now, you just heard from

cal and the children's hospital that we have had over 8,300 hospitalizations in kids. a third have no underlying medical condition, a third ended up in the icu. we are seeing severe heart issues, inflammatory issues in kids who have had covid-19 and about 8% of kids are getting long haul syndrome which i'm seeing in my office, which is causing trouble in school, trouble concentrating, trouble sleeping, fatigue. that's why the american academy of pediatrics is strongly recommending that all kids get the vaccine when they're eligible. i think when parents talk to their pediatrician, and they really realize this data has been thoroughly poured through and the fda and the cdc have both unanimously decided that protecting kids definitely outweighs the risk of getting covid-19. it's not a choice to vaccinate or not. it's a choice to get the vaccine or get covid-19, and i have a 6-year-old and i have a lot of patients and i would much rather give them the vaccine. >> at what level of vaccination

do we need to get to for kids to be able to take their masks off in school? i'm at work right now. as a fully vaccinated person at my office, i'm not required to wear a mask. >> so that's a great question, right? and we don't really know yet because it's also going to depend on community transmission rates around the country. so it may depend on the percentage of vaccination at your child's school and your community, and then what your local public health department decides. i know that's the first thing that parents and teachers and pediatricians want to do. so as we see transmission decrease, as more kids are protected and as more of the adults and high risk people also continue to get their vaccines and even get their boosters if needed, we will start peeling back a lot of those layers of protection. i know that masking is one of the first ones that i think everybody wants to know. >> there's also a lot of confusion over boosters. it is very hard to understand who is eligible. why do we even have to

prioritize who's eligible. we've got an ample supply of boosters. >> you know, that's a good question. when you look at the guidance, almost anyone can really be eligible because if you're 18 or older and you have a high risk medical condition or live or work in a high risk setting. this could be someone who takes care of an infant. this could be someone who takes care of their grandparents, you are eligible to get a booster. talk to your own doctor. we have ample supply around the country in the pharmacies, at your doctor's offices, so if you feel that you want one, that you qualify, there shouldn't be a reason why you can't get it. now, i want everyone to realize that now that we're giving out the pediatric vaccine as well, usually pharmacies are going to have to alternate days they give each vaccine. the guidance is very strict. we want to make sure there are no mistakes and there are a lot of checks and balances that are set up because of that. you'll have one person fixing the vaccines, another one administering them. and so some parents are saying

i'm going to go with my 14-year-old and 5-year-old and get the same vaccine at the same time, hold on, they're doing this vaccine on tuesdays, this one on wednesdays, this one on thursdays. plan ahead, make your appointment and get vaccinated as soon as possible. >> all right, thank you. after a rough night for democrats, many are pointing the finger at progressives in the party but it was centrists who lost. with biden's agenda stalling on capitol hill, we're going to speak with the congresswoman at the center of it all, congresswoman pramila jayapal joins us next. a jayapal joins us next.

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democrats are on edge this morning after republican glenn youngkin won the virginia governor's race. it comes only one year after president biden won that state by ten points. in a shocking nail biter, the new jersey governor's race still too close to call. in washington, congress is rushing to pass president biden's agenda, but last night's democrats had no big victory to run on from the federal level, and this headline right here says it all. elections are a warning shot for democrats, but will they heed it? i want to dig deeper and bring in congresswoman pramila jayapal, a democrat from washington and the chair of the progressive congressional caucus. congresswoman, thank you for joining us this morning. i heard one strategist earlier say if hard infrastructure had passed, terry mcauliffe would

have won. what do you think? >> stephanie, it's great to see you this morning. look, there is no way that you can blame a 12-point swing on one bill. the reality is that voters do want us to deliver. i think youngkin appealed to parent in education. i think we have the formula to appeal to parents, even more by passing a bill that provides child care, that provides pre-k, that provides jobs. i mean, both of the infrastructure package and the build back better app, the entire agenda, the president's agenda is about jobs. it's about families. it's about rescuing people, and i also just would reject the idea that congress hasn't done anything and we don't have anything -- that candidates don't have anything to run on. every single candidate can run on the american rescue plan, which was a phenomenal achievement that congress got done with now the a single republican vote.

we delivered shots in arms under president biden's leadership. we delivered millions of dollars to small businesses under president biden's leadership. we delivered real money in people's pockets with those survival checks under president biden's leadership and democrats in the house and the senate. so my message now is let's get these two bills done. it's actually been the same message i've had for a couple of weeks. let's get the two bills done. we will then be able to really appeal to families and say we do understand your economic pain, and that's why we're going to lower costs for working families across this country with child care, with pre-k, with housing, with health care, with prescription drug pricing, which we just got negotiated, which was amazing, an amazing step forward, not everything we wanted but a big start on prescription drug pricing. those are the things people want to see us get done, and we're going to pass both of these bills this week. >> you do think this week both are going to get passed? >> i do. i really do.

we -- you know, i think there's a lot of unity. i have been working, as you said, very hard to deliver all of our congressional progressive caucus members to vote on a bipartisan infrastructure bill, which, you know, some of them weren't too thrilled about, but everybody understands we've got to get both of these bills done. >> are last night's results a warning that democrats should change their messaging, their strategy? think about it, jamie harrison, terry mcauliffe, both moderates who lost, but republicans painted them as progressives. >> well, i think that the most important thing is we can never run just on anti-trump. that is not a message that voters are going to resonate to. we have to run on the things we do when voters deliver us majorities in the house and the white house. i think there was an attempt to

kind of nationalize the race around trump, but that's not what voters are looking at. they're looking at can i g et child care so i can go back to work. i mean, women pushed out of the work force in record numbers over the last two years still haven't returned to the work force still can't afford child care. still don't have pre-k. still don't have health care. these are the things that we can deliver right now to people, and we should. and we also shouldn't make last night's -- we should pay close attention to them, don't get me wrong, important for us to deliver. we also just shouldn't assume that that's the course to beat. we can change the course by delivering results today that appeal to families who are struggling right now. >> we are living, though, in a world of short-termism, and while plans may be in place to create major changes that will help us in the long-term, people vote based on what affects them today, and thus far, i have to be honest, i just interviewed

the treasury secretary two weeks ago, and when i brought up inflation, she kind of brushed it off. we haven't heard many democratic lawmakers prioritize gas prices, grocery prices, and these are things that people are talking about every day. they're washing their dishes because they have a broken dishwasher and can't get a new one in two months. that impacts them today and people vote based on today. >> i couldn't agree with you more. i think that's absolutely right. we have to recognize the pain and in the build back better agenda, what we are doing is cutting costs for working families. average working families will see their costs go down because they won't have to pay for child care because they will have affordable housing, because their prescription drugs will cost less and because there is going to be a tax increase on the wealthiest corporations to start to pay their fair share, so you're exactly right. we do have to recognize and we have to run local, stephanie. i mean, the thing is people want

to see us paying attention to what's going on in their lives, and so as we think about the work that we have to do in congress, we should be thinking about what is it that is going to make people -- and i've been saying this for months. what is it that is going to make people wake up and feel differently about their lives and their livelihoods? in my mind, it is costs, you're absolutely right, and it is about lowering those costs for middle class families and working families and poor people across this country. that's what the build back better agenda does. that's why we're working so hard to get it passed. >> before we go, are you prepared then to lose other voters? look at the state of new jersey where voters said i don't want to run the risk that my taxes go up. i'm concerned about my property taxes. i'm concerned about -- maybe that salt deduction gets put back in. maybe people making $400,000 or more won't get taxed. for those who live in those high

tax states, those suburban women who voted for joe biden are now saying this doesn't work for me. are you prepared to lose that voter? >> no, i don't think we're going to lose that voter. i think we're going to get some sort of -- >> phil murphy lost that voter. phil murphy lost that voter last night. >> well, look, i mean, it was the republicans who ended the salt deduction. i have sympathy for that perspective because i think we have to be addressing the issue of the wealthiest paying their fair share, but i think that in this bill, there will be -- everyone will come together, and there will be some sort of a compromise on salt that hopefully is revenue neutral and that doesn't, you know, that doesn't sort of say we're going to prioritize one wealthy person over another. let's just all pay fair shares and we'll fix that and we'll get a fixed -- i believe we'll get a fix to these things and we'll be able to move forward with two packages that address many of the things people are concerned about. >> all right, monday morning i

invite you back. you think both of these are getting passed by friday? >> yes, i'm working hard on it. i believe we're going to get it done. i really done, as you know, stephanie, i don't say things without having some reason for believing that. so yeah, we're going to get them done. and look, it's been a hard -- you know, it's been hard because negotiations that play out in the public eye and washington, d.c., are messy. i mean, democracy is a bit of a -- that's what it is. it's about the negotiation and the key thing is in a couple of weeks nobody's going to remember these three weeks that we've been negotiating on these bills, but they are going to see their child care costs go down. they are going to be able to get back to work. they are going to see their prescription drug pricing costs go down. they are going to see us taking on climate change, something very, very important to young people and all of us across the country including those of us that live in states where we've had wildfires blazing and floods coming in and record things happening because of climate change, so we are going to get this done, and everybody just

hang on a little bit longer. we are to the end of the road here. >> all right, then, this is what democracy looks like working. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us this morning. i appreciate it. and you are looking live at a wide ranging rare discussion with general mark milley talking everything from the afghanistan withdrawal, aggression from china and exactly what went on behind the scenes in the final days of the trump presidency. that's next. in the final days of the trump presidency that's next.

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in my view, we're entering into a world that is potentially much more strategically unstable than the last 40, 50, 60, 70 years. what does that mean? that means that we're going to have to put a premium, in my view on maintaining great power of peace. the world order, the so-called liberal world order that was put in place in 1945, that was not designed to prevent korea or vietnam or gulf war 1 or terrorism for that matter. it was designed to prevent world war 3. it was designed to prevent great power war, and it's been successful for -- we're in the 76th year. we, russia, china, and everybody else, all the allies and partners are going to have to be very, very careful and conscious about how we deal with each other going forward. >> nbc news is the media partner for the aspen security forum. i want to bring in bob woodward, assistant managing editor at "the washington post," also the co-author of the new extraordinary book "peril." bob, those were some very scary

comments. he is not talking about the threat of terrorism. he's talking about the threat of world war 3. what do you make of milley saying we're entering a period of increased instability? >> well, he said publicly he talked for our book and you know, one of the -- probably the best way for me to try to answer your question is to think about the overall, and the overall is we've got precarious relations with china, russia, iran. he talked about length about cybersecurity and the threat of that, of millions of attacks, cyber attacks in this country, not just against the pentagon and the intelligence agencies, but against everyday users of

the internet. so in trying to reflect on this what robert costa and i did in this book, the title is peril. often when you do these books, you go back and you think, oh, we should have renamed we should have renamed it something else. actually, peril is exactly the right title. it is an unstable world and the military obligations are very high and the uncertainty overlaps that. >> he wasn't really forthright when he was asked if he had regrets about talking to you for his book. what's your take there? >> well,, you know -- actually,

a couple of weeks ago, he testified under oath before the senate armed services committee and the house armed services committee and confirmed everything that we had in the book, including these sensitive calls with the. chinese. and we were in a time, sorry to use it again, but it fits, a time of peril between the election in november and the final inauguration of joe biden as president. so the peril was there. robert costa and i discovered a real national security crisis. worried about what was going on with china particularly. it is a hair trigger environment. it was at the time. and unfortunately, it remains. so if you listen to chairman

mill milley now as lester is talking to him, milley makes it very, very clear that we're not talking about something bad happening, maybe tomorrow, although he said, anything is possible, but in the next six months, year, we are in a bad situation and he is making -- there is no ambiguity in what he is saying and what the situation is. >> bob, thank you so much. a reminder to our audience. xi jinping, he doesn't have to worry about the midterms, re-election. he's in power for the rest of his life. he's fearless. coming up, the supreme court set to hear arguments in the most important gun rights case in more than a decade. everything you need to know this morning. that's next. need to know this morning. that's next.

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arms? at the heart of this case is a new york law that says that you can't get a handgun to get a conceal/carry permit unless you show some special need beyond a desire for self-defense. and the challengers say that states can't do that under the second amendment. new york says it has a long history and tradition of states and local governments restricting the carry of gun, especially in populous areas. this will be the biggest gun rights case in a decade, stephanie. >> all right. then, pete, thank you. we have breaking news from virginia, where just moments ago democrat terry mcauliffe conceded to glenn youngkin in the governor's race. mcauliffe congratulated youngkin on his victory and said he will never stop fighting for the state of virginia. while in minneapolis, residents rejected an initiative to replace the city's police department with a department of public safety. shaquille brewster is in minneapolis with the latest. shaq, walk us through what happened. did the defund the police branding hurt something that could have actually been good for the city? >> reporter: it was certainly a

factor, steph. even opponents of this amendment acknowledge that the amendment did not directly defund the police, but the truth is, that phrase was wrapped up in the entire conversation and it's really what led to that amendment being on the ballot in the first place. and steph, i got a text message from a voter who was undecided this morning that i have to read for you. she's someone who has been in this city for 35 years, a black woman who said she was undecided, even after collecting signatures to help get this amendment on the ballot. and she told me yesterday that in the voting booth, she said, quote, i went back and forth on it and that's the same sentiment i heard from so many people, where i had so many people who said they voted "no" on this measure. that they wanted reform but they were uncomfortable with the idea of supporting a department that was largely undefined when they were asked to vote for it. and when you talk to advocates for this amendment, they say that kind of was the point here.

they wanted to force the conversation through the city council and the mayor having to create this new department. they wanted to force a conversation about how this public safety apparatus should be in the city after the murder of george floyd. they say, now they plan to hold elected leaders accountable. they say that many of them shifted their positions and supported some of the reforms that they were calling for and that they want to keep the pressure on them right now. but i think that you have to acknowledge is that although defund the police was not in this amendment, it definitely had a role in this amendment not being passed. the vote that -- the vote totals that we have from the secretary of state's office show that about 56% of voters oppose this amendment while you had about 44% of voters supporting this amendment. 51% of voters was needed to have this change to the official city's governing document. steph? >> well, it sounds like they don't want to do away with the police force, they want to improve it, reform it, make it stronger and better. you know, all day long, every

day, people can complain, they can tweet, they can talk on social media. but one day a year, you get to vote, the people have spoken. it's why protecting and preserving voting rights is so important. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. thank you for watching. stick around all day. jose diaz-balart picks up breaking news coverage right now. good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. at this hour, we continue to follow all of the election results. votes are still being tallied in the new jersey governor's race. unexpectedly locked in a dead heat. this after republican businessman glenn youngkin was elected to become virginia's next governor, in a state president biden won by ten points just a year ago. also this morning, a historic step in the fight against the pandemic. for the first time, kids ages 5 to 11 are getting their first dose of the covid vaccine. we'll talk to a pediatrician about the significance of