results. it could be years before any charges are filed. >> it's good to see you. thank you for being with me this morning. that wraps up the hour for me. you can always reach me on twitter and instagram at j.d. ballart. the follow the show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. there's more news right now. good morning, everybody. the aftermath of election day, it is rippling through our nation's capitol. democrats have won silver lining after a very big loss in the state of virginia. nbc there's new pressure on democrats to pass the democratic

agenda. speaker pelosi is set to hold her weekly briefing any minute now. a vote could come as early as today according to our hill team. and we know she only holds a vote if she has the numbers. we're going to watch her comments pretty closely there. if there is a vote, is she confident that senators manchin and, of course, sinema would'ven back whatever the house sends their way? here is what senator manchin is saying about this process just this morning on "morning joe." >> they want you to write in blood that i'll be for this, this, and this. and i'm not, and they know it. >> so we're going to get to more on where the biden agenda stands in moments from now. right now we're following a live hearing with the cdc director and anthony dr. fauci. kids as young as five are getting vaccines. what they're saying about the next phase in the pandemic fight. and then when it comes to two big legal cases, the number sticking out is one.

in the trial of three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery, there is just one black juror. remember, there's also just one juror of color in the kyle rittenhouse trial. we'll have the latest with both those cases ahead. we want to start with the aftermath of election day. and the new urgency to president the presidential agenda. lee ann caldwell is on capitol hill for us where speaker pelosi will hold her briefing any moment now, and monica alba is at the white house. welcome to you both. thank you for joining us this morning. obviously as we well know at this point, the big question today and frankly it seems like every day, could we see a vote on the agenda, especially after the party's election loss in virginia? you have the sausage making happening literally live on conversation this morning with key lawmakers. joe manchin being one of them. he was on msnbc and cnbc this

morning. where do things stand at this hour? >> deadlines have come and gone. this is the latest self-imposed deadline that democratic leadership wants to actually meet. and we'll see if they're able to do it. speaker pelosi behind closed doors just moments ago told some of her committee chairs that she hopes, hopes she did not guarantee, but said she hopes she holds a vote today on the $1.75 trillion build back better plan, and then a vote tomorrow on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. and so that is her plan. we do not know if she's going to have the votes in order to do it that quickly. and that's really what she's waiting on. we know that just moments ago the joint committee on taxation released a budget analysis of this legislation, and that is something that some democrats, a group of five specifically, moderate democrats, wanted to see before they would'ven consider voting for this

legislation. they wanted to know if it was actually paid for and how much it would actually cost. we're waiting to get reaction. it's a hefty document, but to see what sort of reaction there is from these democrats to see if it is enough. and if they're satisfied with how it's paid for. now, the two different factions of the party, the progressives and the moderates after the election on tuesday, they have different ideas on how to move forward. let's listen to senator joe manchin followed by representative pra mill jie pauld on how they're taking how things should move ahead. >> i don't know why we're saying it has to be done right now. i have no idea why it has to be done right now. first, find out what the real cost is j what we're talking about. >> there's nothing new in this agenda being brought in from the outside. this is what we ran on. if we have delivered to the majority, they have to get together and figure out how to

get this done. that's why progressives have been compromising over and over again. >> and so those two members right there, very different ideas of how to move forward. senator manchin, one of his goals throughout the process was to slow it down. he has successfully done that. in the house it's up to speaker pelosi. i will say that most members are feeling urgency at this moment to stop talking, put their pens down, and actually take this to the floor. we'll see if it's enough members who are willing to do that if it's going to pass. >> i've got to say, looking -- listening to that sound, if i was in the game of predictions, i would not necessarily be optimistic they're on the same page considering what we just heard. with that, monica, i guess i'm wondering as to how much

pressure the white house is actually bringing. you think about as i mentioned earlier, the loss, the heavy loss for the democratic party on tuesday night. the white house wanting to shift blame to congress for that loss. for their lack of getting this thing over the finish line. so i can only imagine now the pressure is on. >> it's ramped up, but also there's a bit of a sense of deja vu here. the president has been at this place before he took those two high stakes trips to capitol hill at the end of september. and then at the end of last week before going to europe to try to encourage his own party and democrats to try to get to the same place on this and move his agenda forward. and on neither of those occasions did actual votes produce themselves in terms of where they thought they could be this. instead, the party said we need more time to figure out how and if we can get there. so the president after returning from that trip to the results of that loss in virginia and the

much closer than expected result in deep blue new jersey is essentially here trying to discuss with aids what more pressure could the white house apply to capitol hill to see if something can get done than what they've already essentially attempted and failed to do on several occasions. but he himself yesterday when he was asked about how much responsibility he takes for the results and some of the dismal outcomes for democrats said he deflected that he didn't fully take that on and that he doesn't know if his agenda had been passed whether that would have really made a huge difference. here's how he answered on the question specifically of what he wants lawmakers to do now. >> i do know that people want us to get things done. i think we have to just produce results for them to change their standard of living and give them a little more breathing room. >> how does your message for democrats -- >> get it to my desk.

>> key words there. get it to my desk. the president urgently stressing he would like to see votes materialize either today or tomorrow as speaker pelosi has indicated, the question is are members ready to get on board and do that? because the other thing is that these deadlines of, of course, the president that trip overseas as major economic and climate summits, that was something that was heavily weighing on the white house. in addition to election day, but neither of those things were enough to get the momentum to a place of actually signing the bills into law. so the question now is the results from that, the fact that he was on the world stage without being able to tout any legislation to back this up, does that get him to a different place? and remember, it was just last week that the president said behind closed doors, this week could determine control of both parties in the house and senate, and the entirety of his presidency. he said it wouldn't be hyperbole to state that. now he is behind the scenes in calls, we understand, whether

lawmakers are part of those or coming to the white house or whether white house officials are coming to the hill. we asked and that's an open question for the rest of today and tomorrow. >> we're watching the door there. we're awaiting an update from speaker pelosi as to whether or not the vote is going to be held. as we know when it comes to speaker pelosi, she will not hold it unless she has them. we're following breaking news from the justice department. a senior doj official confirming to nbc news an analyst who was a key source for the steele dossier was arrested this morning. that dossier contained allegations about former president donald trump. it is coming in connection with special counsel john durham's probe into russian interference into the presidential election. ken dilanian has more. bring us up to date on this. what do you know? why now? >> we know very little.

we do know federal authorities have arrested this man this morning. he's a russian-born analyst living in the united states. and he was interviewed back in 2017 by the fbi about his contributions to that christopher steele dossier. and what he told the fbi was that he provided raw intelligence to christopher steele about things that were essentially rumors including the salacious allegation about a sex tape in moscow. the fbi found his information was unverified and was portrayed with more confidence in the steele dossier than it deserved. the key question is what are the charges? they remain sealed at this hour. we don't know what they are, but they are part of this investigation by federal prosecutor john durham, essentially the investigation of the investigation. it was launched under the trump administration by attorney general william barr but has persisted and continued into the biden administration, and as you recall, durham indicted a democratic lawyer on charges of

lying to the fbi as part of that probe. this is really the third set of charges in that probe, coming today against this analyst who provided information to the steele dossier. what the charges are, again, we do not know. he's been arrested this morning. and he's expected to appear in court in virginia later today. >> ken dilanian, stay close to the camera. i know as you get more details, we would love to hear more as it develops. we're also watching, by the way, for speaker pelosi to walk up to the podium on the hill. we will go to that live when it gets started. plus this morning, the jury has been chosen in the trial for the three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery. there's only one black juror and prosecutors say they fought to keep out potential black jurors because of their race. we'll go to georgia to look at that trial. first, get your employees vaccinated or face a very big

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welcome back. right now dr. anthony fauci and dr. walinski are facing tough questions from senatoring on what is coming next in the nation's fight against this pandemic. this is coming as the white house announced any vaccine requirements for companies with over 100 workers. that means nearly two-thirds of american workers will have to require workers get vaccinated or undergo weekly testing by january 4th. companies will be required to provide paid time off for employees to get their shots. and any employer who fails to meet the deadline by january 4th

could face $14,000 in fines for each employee not in compliance. we are following the latest on the rules. i want to bring in a doctor who is an emergency physician and associate professor at florida international university. let me start with laying out for us the new rules, also affecting workers at facilities with medicare and medicaid. take us through the rules and what they will mean for an estimated 84 million americans. >> yeah. and two-thirds of the work force is who the administration says this is going to effect. this goes back to an executive order the president signed in september. the administration has indicated to employers this is come bug now they've unleashed -- un -- leashed i guess, revealed some soft details here in this. and those include as you mentioned, that companies that have at least 100 employees, it is going to be up to the employer to ensure within two

months by january 4th that all of those employees are vaccinated or getting tested weekly. and it is going to be up to the employee to get that weekly test to cover the cost, to find an available test or go to a testing center so the owness is on the unvaccinated employee and the unvaccinated employees are also going to need to wear the mask in the workplace, and if a company is found in violation of this, they could be fined nearly $14,000 for each unvaccinated employee who isn't getting tested and isn't wearing a mask. and they said they can ratchet up the penalties if companies appear to be not complying at all to this requirement. so a big penalty for employers. for health care providers, they also by january 4th need to have all of their employees vaccinated. there is no testout option. and if they don't, they won't be eligible for these medicare and

medicaid payments, and the vast, vast majority of health care providers get the bulk of their income from medicare and medicaid. medicare covers pretty much every senior in this country. they are heavily reliant on those payments, and you can see the administration really trying to tighten the screws there on the remaining health care workers saying that january 4th, two months, you need to get vaccinated or your employer is at risk of not getting crucial federal payments. >> doctor, what do you make of these new requirements for the private sector? >> yeah. well, i mean, i think a mandate is a way of making sure more people are vaccinated. and quite frankly, if there aren't repercussions, people will find ways around it. we tried the method and by we, i mean health scientists, physicians, public health experts and government officials, encouraging and prodding and speakly positively

about the data. and yet, only so many people got vaccinated. for whatever reason, there's a significant portion of the population that needs to be on the brink of death before moving the vast array of evidence. we can't be risking other people who are trying to do everything that's possible to stay safe by waiting on others who experience it personally. one way of enforcing it is by having a mandate and by finding employers if they don't make their employees are vaccinated. >> let's talk about, doctor, getting young children vaccinated now, ages 5 to 11. my five-year-old has two appointments now. one at his school and one at his pediatrician's office. i'm hoping to get him vaccinated at school, because here in new york city, a lot of public schools are going to offer the vax naxs over the next couple of weeks. if i had known that children could get vaccinated a at the museum of natural history, we got this video. we don't necessarily have the

video, but children are getting vaccinated at the museum of natural history. parents excited about this latest development. that being said, there's still a lot of misinformation out there. right? not every parent is willing to get their child vaccinated. one reporter reporting that some fringe groups have begun pushing the kinds of videos that the modern anti-vaccine movement was built upon. intimate, unverified videos that are visceral and effective. what do you tell parents, doctor, that are worried about getting their children vaccinated? >> yeah. i mean, this is a great question. i'm glad the museum is doing the vax naxs. it makes it easier on a child. it would make it easier on me than being in a completely sterile environment. but those videos tug at people's heart strings. when it comes to your own child, you can look at the data and try

to be logical. i as a physician would recommend that, but we know in reality, emotions affect people, especially when it comes to loved ones. i think a lot of parents would say i care about myself. i really care about my children. and so this is a very important issue for them. let me say this. the example i would use is if somebody were to get in a car accident today and the officer asked what did you eat for dinner yesterday and the person said i had a burger, it would be ludicrous to say eating ham burgers causes car accidents. similarly, when people get vaccines and there are issues later, it would be ludicrous to say it definitely happened from the vaccine. that's why we have randomized control files. the vaccines are extremely safe, and the risk of getting covid, for example, myo car diets or long covid, the risks from covid are far higher than the vaccine. i'll grant you, and i agree that

kids don't get nearly as sick as the elderly on average, but if you're weighing risks and benefits, the risks of contracting covid, especially when you're in a school setting with a bunch of over people, are way higher than the risks out vaccine, the data are clear on that. >> doctor and shannon, thank you. i want to shift pack to capitol hill where speaker pelosi is speaking now. >> it is -- it's just -- to see the commitment to the people of the world, whether we're talking about a pandemic or a planet, so inspiring. to see the two of them, the president of the united states, a devout catholic, and his holiness, the pope, glorious leader, but also knowledgeable about saving the plaent, respectful of the refugees that could spring from migration and other conflicts.

so proud of the president. and also plan to come home at a time, in that time the system was established for children, children to be able to get the vaccination to keep them safe, to keep their families safe. we know how things spread in school. and to see the beautiful pictures of the children, some of them your tears getting shot. others proud of the fact that they're going to be in tv or whatever. so covid, covid, covid. it begins and ends everything we do. now that we see -- it's about 750,000 people who have died from covid in the united states. 5 million in the world. so sad. sadly, this morning, some of our members are saying good-bye to congressman dale killdy of michigan. he was a respected member of the house of representatives for a very long time. he had a noble spirit of public

service. he, too, was in the church. i don't know if he was actually ordained, but in the -- studying for the priesthood, and he brought those values to the congress with a definite separation of church and state. so our prayers are with his nephew, dan, who serves with us now and to his wife, gayle, and the rest of the family. good-bye to dale kildy, hello to our new member, chantel brown, elected in ohio. i think it was, like, 80 /20 in the election. she is a proud daughter of cleveland. a strong advocate for working families and courageous voice for civil rights. she's here to build back better, and i'm happy to swear her in later today. so build back better. as i said, just completing a meeting of the house democrats. again, i wish everyone could see the pride we take and the work

that has been done by the members, by the chairman, by the staff. relentless, and not only our own staff and committee staff, but the congressional budget office. the counsel office and the rest. this morning we have a report from joint tax which is very -- documenting how the bill invalidating how the legislation is paid for. it came in about 10:00. i refer it to you for your review. it's a very solid -- people say well, it's really -- people say it didn't paid for. people say a lot of things, but this document, joint taxes, is objective. it's not democratic. it's not republican. it's objective view that it is solidly paid for, and that doesn't even take into account the money that we'll get from what we're very proud of in

agreement on prescription drugs which generates the sources as well as enforcement, which is several hundred, $400 billion in enforcement. so here we are with all of this. prescription drug bill is something that is news from last week. it enables us to do something we've been trying to do for a very long time. have the secretary of hhs negotiate for lower drug prices, halt outrageous price hikes and expands to make aca more affordable for those who buy insurance on their own. it's not just about medicare prices. it's about the commercial sector as well. we're very excited about what happens in the legislation. took pride in hearing various committees address how children are affected. you know, you know. but biden child tax credit.

universal pre-k and three and four-year-old families child care cost. again, this is an area where we have -- well consensus house and senate have for a long time. nothing very new in that care exception except the fact that we would like to put on the table the family and medical leave so needed and so popular in our country, and it makes such a difference in the lives in america's families. very important to women, but men, too, to have that opportunity. it is, again, better jobs, lower cost, reduces the debt, and -- and makes the wealthy and those pay their fair share. it's not punitive. it's just fair. particularly appropriate at this time is what it does for the climate crisis. again, i'm sure you read the bill last week, and i'm sure

you're well aware of some amendments to it this week. but i just want to remind you the largest investment to combat the climate crisis in the history cuts pollution and reduces energy costs and creates good-paying jobs. it's a health issue clean air, clean water for our children. it's a jobs issue, being competitive and preimminent in the world in terms of new green technologies and technology is really what is helping us to advance in making these jobs better and us more competitive. third it's a national security issue. national security experts tell us the competition resulting from drought and famine and drying up of rivers and rising sea levels and encroachment of rivers and the rest, migration that can create, creates conflict, and, therefore, national security issue, but as always, a values issue for us to

pass on this planet to future generations in the best possible way. and young people have taken the lead on this. so it's very exciting. so on the build back better, one of the other issues we are dealing with since last week is the immigration issue where i think we're finding our common ground, and what is in the bill has resonance. others want more. so do i. i want it all, but you don't get it all, and we would be open to it. what we're having in the legislation, i'm sure you're well-versed in, is the work permit and protection, and we would like to have registry in there, because we think it is the easiest, most efficient fair way to deal with people who are here so they can work, and their families can feel safe, and they will not be exploited. but it just -- it doesn't seem to have a big prospect in the

senate. so we don't want to ask members to vote for something that wouldn't have a good prospect on the senate that is controversial. if the senate, and i urge them to put it forth, over the chair, excuse me, the parliamentarian, perhaps, not getting bogged down in their rules, it's up to them. if they want to do that, we want to do that, but it has to start with them, because it is the parliamentarian has already put forth the message that this would not -- this would be privilege, and we can't have that. i guess it's time to take your questions. okay. >> reporter: what effect do you think having not passed the bills had on tuesday's election results? >> let me say it a different way. i think getting the job done,

producing results for the american people is always very positive. each election is different. as you know, i was former party chair, and i always know let's look down into the numbers and see what it is. but i do think if -- as the american people learn more about what we are doing in this legislation, for families, for children, for women in the work force, to save our planet and the rest, it will be very positive. you can't deny that it would be very positive. >> do you think democrats were penalized for having not gotten these things done? >> again, i haven't seen the -- all the analysis, and i know from my own experience that as i've said before, the anecdote is not data. let's see what the data is as it comes out. there no question. the more results we can produce in a way that is -- people understand in their lives, the better it is. i'm heart broken because

mcauliffe is a great leader in our country, and was a great governor of virginia, and i hoped he was a once and future governor. but also, we're all interested in the ballot races as well. i haven't seen much of that. new jersey, nice victory. i spoke to the governor to congratulate him and we'll be working to build back better. but without saying what impact it had, it's always a positive message to have results that are understood by the public. >> reporter: could you project this week a little bit what you expect? do you expect the vote tonight? and is it possible you might just vote on the infrastructure bill considering everybody seems to be bought in and saying it's ready for a vote? >> no. >> reporter: okay. build back better today and what are the big hurdles you have to overcome? >> i'll let you know as soon as

i wish to. >> okay. you're just worried about your own schedule. i know. i know that. but the fact is is that our members are engaged in very thoughtful deliberation with each other. as i said to you before, 90% of this bill has been agreed to. house senate, white house, and written. we made some changes since last week. people need to familiarize themselves with it. that was the purpose of our meeting this morning. as i said, it made me proud, and i was inspired by once again, hearing the depth of knowledge and breadth of vision of our colleagues, and we'll let you know. but we -- i think many of you know i was really very unhappy about not passing the bif last week. i really was very unhappy, because we had an october 31st deadline. i thought that that was eloquent. but not enough, i guess. so now we're going to pass both bills. but in order to do so, we have

to have votes for both bills, and that's where we are. >> you just mentioned that you don't want members to vote on something that may not have a good prospect when it goes to the senate. when it comes down to paid family leave, now included in this bill, senator joe manchin believes it shouldn't be in this bill. do you believe the president can convince him otherwise and what's your message to senator manchin and why it deserves to be in this bill? >> well, i don't make a habit of talking to senator manchin on the tv. we're friends. i respect him. he's a good person. he's agreed to so much that is in the bill. universal pre-k and child care. agreed to the affordable care act to expand to include those who are left out, especially seniors who depend on that for long-term care. home health care and the rest.

some of the stuff in green, we're not finished with that yet, but we've had some areas of agreement there. the fact is there's one difference between a -- the -- some of these issues, like hearing. he's not for hearing in the bill. hearing has a very broad universal support in our caucus. in terms of family medical leave. it's no sacrifice for anybody to vote for something that might not see the light of day. and these, we hope, will see the light of day. we can afford it. it's universal. it's a compromise. four weeks. i'd rather have it longer. i want it six weeks. that's when little babies can finally be able to go to child care, but nonetheless, four weeks. so my message to not joe manchin. i mean, we talk enough. but with all the respect in the world for the point of view he

represents, i disagree. i think this is appropriate for this legislation. it fits very comfortably with child care, health care, home care, family medical leave, and it has the full support of our caucus. there are other issues that, for example, registry, which may or may not. people will be willing to vote for it if there's a real prospect for success in the senate. and we'll have to see what that is. so we reserve the right to make distinctions among them. >> reporter: some moderates said maybe they need more time to review this legislation. >> well -- this has been up for -- first of all, this is the bill basically we had $3.5 trillion. and then we had to cut it in half. that was drastic. and that's what was posted last week. now we have -- we asked republican comment. and we have public comment. you act upon the comment, and that is what -- this would ordinarily be a situation on the

subject you ever want to know and reject it as soon as the bills are passed. because it will not be useful in your life for the future. one reconciliation, you can't do an expansive amendment. normally regular order, we pass bill -- we put the bill out last week. there are changes. manage the amendment, pass it on. reconciliation, you have to have it embraced in a -- the totality of a -- another amendment, but it's really -- that contains it all so it adds up. because that's what reconciliation is about. and so when people are saying wow, this is a whole new bill. no, it isn't. but if you imagined it as a manager's amendment, it might be easier to grasp, because you're just seeing the differences. that's what members presented today. again, no management amendment with reconciliation that's

substantive. therefore, you have to cloak it or pouch it in a similar amendment. last week was called an amendment as well. an amendment in the fach of substitute. >> reporter: are you concerned parliamentarian -- inhibits her ability to produce an impartial judgment on immigrant relief proposals? >> i mean, the judgment about the parliamentarian is one for the senate. for the senate. i just don't agree with the original -- that the policy outweighed the budgetary aspects of the bill. but she's the parliamentarian. you have to talk to the senate about judgments about their people. >> reporter: your leadership took a whip count. the deadline was about a half hour ago. >> i'm sorry? >> reporter: your leadership took a whip count. the deadline was a half hour ago. are there democrats still saying they're not going to vote for

this? do you have the votes to pass this by the end of the week? >> well, you are my priority. i came right from the caucus to this meeting, so i'm not familiar with what that is. but, again, we have questions that members had. whether it's about is it really paid for? that was one of the questions. yesterday we had a session where it listened to them and they want to know is it really paid for and how? we had this morning richie neil and another from the white house talk about how it was. that was early. at 10:00 the joint tax committee would -- that would be released. have you seen it? you've seen it. okay. so that was one piece. the other piece was about inflation, and we had the experts' opinions and, in fact, very recent today from moodies that the bill was paid -- since it is paid for, it would not increase inflation, and, in

fact, it would add to our economy because of child care enabling many more women to fully participate. so i haven't seen -- i was going to say, did you see the whip count. i'll tell you something about mr. clyburn. he keeps it close to the vest. even as speaker i say that. how are we. >> reporter: a number of virginia democrats were critical of not putting the bill on the floor before the election. do you believe the house democrats in any way were partially responsible for what happened on tuesday? >> wasn't that the question you asked? >> similar. >> i said any sign of progress is always good for the public when they understand what it is, and i think they understand infrastructure pretty well. it would have been better if we had. i don't know because i haven't seen the data.

perhaps you have. i think there were other issues at work in that election, and it remains not for me to make an observation unsubstantiated by data and science and fact. i'm very scientific about elections. region by region and district by district. it was not a good night. let's just not go away from that, but you have to ask -- if that's what they said, that's your story. i'm not going to comment on their story. >> reporter: we have -- >> anymore women here? >> reporter: we have this number from the joint committee on tax. >> yeah. >> reporter: obviously you have these blue dog moderate democrats holding out wanting the quite the same --

>> >> reporter: a cbo and jtc score. is that enough to get them to vote? >> let me say that we have been all along, not -- this is not sequential. like, when we get to this point, we'll send this. all along we've been sending things to cbo. this is not new to them. and same thing with joint tax and they've come now with our bill, come out and said how much money it will absolutely produce. and that doesn't include over and above the prescription drug which is hundreds of billions of dollars as well as $400 billion from the enforcement. and by the way, considered to be a low figure. former irs directors have written and said it could be close to a trillion dollars. but we're counting it low. we have been very conservative in every estimate that we make. so that it truly is formidably

paid for. the -- the cpo also has been -- the thing about the cbo is they have most of the information now. they have the new information. but they have to correlate it. you know? they have to say if you say well, we have 3.5. now we have 1 .7. cut it in half. whatever the numbers. cut it in half, that doesn't -- they have to relate it, what the impact is from one area to the next. it takes a little longer, more subjectivity, but we're -- we're -- you know, this shouldn't take long to get. the other thing that we're getting are we're sending stuff over to the senate -- well, it's -- most of the product that we've done is -- except now we may have added it in the last day or so. some of what we added is senate to the bill. like, a hearing, bernie doesn't like hearing.

excuse me, bernie loves hearing. manchin doesn't want hearing in the bill. all that stuff. so some is senate oriented and then we have the family medical leave. we figure if they're putting things in, then we can put things in, even if manchin doesn't like it. so we're getting some bird and privilege. i think most by we're getting privilege scrub. bird is important. you have to take it out. but privilege violation can take you out. so we're, again, getting that as we go along as well. but when we pass a bill, then they will see it in its aggregate and make some -- >> reporter: any concerns any of this is, quote, messaging? that they have to take some of those things out regardless, no matter what you send over 1234 you said you weren't going to send a messaging bill.

>> no, we're going to send a messaging bill, but we want to be sure what we send is not burnable or -- birdbath or privilege scrub. they're the two exercises we're engaged -- bathing exercises we're engaged in, and getting good response. there's no bad answer. you know? it is what it is. there's certain objectivity to it. it is what it is. whatever it is, this is the greatest monumental, historic piece of legislation that any of us have -- will ever be a part of. i say that with great proprietary ownership of the affordable care act which was magnificent and is. but this is strengthening that and so much more. if this isn't it or that isn't that because it's

reconciliation, we can save some of that for another day when it's regular order. but most of what is in there will survive and it will be great. i hope the american people -- it will lower the cost of raising children in our country. think of that. the -- overarching part of it. it's about the children. it's about their parents. if you're talking climate, you're talking jobs and children. if you're talking the health piece of it, you're talking jobs and you're talking children and their families. if you're talking care can't wait which is the third bucket, you're talking children and their families and jobs. and how we respect people who do those jobs, how we do home care and how we enable women and dads to participate in the work force in a meaningful way. i hope you have a very nice day. we'll keep you informed. stay tuned. thank you.

>> reporter: are you approaching -- are house democrats approaching a put up or shut up moment on this? >> thank you. all right, everybody. speaker pelosi on the hill with her weekly address, of course. i'm trying to get answers to that pressing question of whether or not they're going to hold a vote, and it seems like the headline out of that address is no announcement to a vote as of today. want to bring back our reporter. as we were learning, our reporters trying to drill down answers. we got some of them. a couple minutes ago we were speaking about whether or not there was a possibility of a vote. it seems like there's not. you had reporting on the joint committee on taxation out on the budget analysis referred to. i'm interested for you to expand a little bit on that. because we did hear from senator joe manchin earlier today on "morning joe" who cited wanting

a cbo score over and over again to prove that this is a smart bill to pass. the build back better agenda will not add more to the growing deficit in this country. what do you think he will make of this latest analysis? >> well, let's start with speaker pelosi. she did a good job of not saying specifically when a vote is going to take place, but what she did is she countered the arguments of people like senator manchin and some of the house moderates in her caucus who are saying that of things they need before a vote takes place. one of those things is a score on the -- from the joint committee on taxation on how this bill is paid for, if it is actually paid for, and how much this bill will actually cost. now, let's -- the joint committee on taxation is a little bit different than the congressional budget office which is a much more, i guess what's the word i'm thinking of? it's a much more comprehensive

analysis, and it is taken into consideration the weight of it is much heavier than a joint committee on taxation, but this one they released today, you can call it like a draft proposal. it does show that the bill is paid paid for. and speaker pelosi also said that one of the things that moderates want is time to read it. she says it has been out for over a week. of course they're changing it even as we speak. but she is saying this. and it is straight up, end of sentence, she is committed to passing these two pieces of legislation. we're keeping our eyes on two important trials this morning.

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welcome back, everybody. this morning we're keeping an eye on the courtroom in georgia. the jury has officially been set

in the trial for the three men charged in the death of ahmaud arbery. welcome to you both. let me start with you on this since you're on the ground. walk us through where things stand this morning and why both sides are raising concerns about the makeup of this jury? >> the jury process took 2.5 weeks. there is one black man that was on the jury of 12. his family, his supporters, they see this is just another injustice. for him the case is about him being hunted down. some of the people call it a modern day lynching. the defense says they wanted more every day white men on the panel. there are three, what they call

bubbas in some of their previous comments. they say that in the process of striking so many black jurors. they were doing it because they found other reasons that the jurors could not be impartial and it was not about race. arbery's family is not convinced. here he has to say about that. >> still running to those people. >> they are in this community. it was not surprising when the juries game out like that did. >> the three men pleaded not guilty. they have been charged with murder. they were trying to make a citizen's arrest and acted in self defense when this happened. again, opening statements begin

tomorrow and we will see where this goes. a lot of emotion, a lot of passion, this case, of course, is part of the reason that america went through a racial reckoning all of last year as this case and others were playing out. so again a lot of attention on this courtroom here in georgia today. >> all right, ron allen, thank you so much. let's talk about some of what ron laid out for us there. you think about the population of glenn county. 27% in that community are black. you look at the makeup of the potential 12 jurors. you would they if this is a jury of your peers, it is supposed to be representing three or four individuals on that 12-person jury would be black. >> yes, but as we have seen here with the deselection process of the juries, the black juries, and the racial overtones in the

case, it's not the case that a lot of the potential black jurors were struck by the defense. >> the major factor of this case has to do with race. why is the makeup of the jury so incredibly important? especially when you look at both sides of the issue, right? you have the defense saying there is not enough six packs and bubbas in their slew of candidates for the jury, and the prosecutor saying there are not enough black individuals to be on this jury. >> two main reasons. you apt jury of your peers. not only for the defendant, but also for the victim in this case. they want a jury that represents their son. they want to be able to humanize ahmaud, and sometimes it takes someone that has walked in those

shoes to know what he went through that day. >> you have the passing of a hate crime statute. you a repeal of a citizen's arrest law, will that affect this trial at all? >> i absolutely think it will been keep in mind the hate legislation was passed with a bipartisan effort. so there was both sides kind of coming together to make sure that it was passed and that will be impactful because the jury will look at that and say we need to send a message that these cannot happy. people cannot be afraid of a person because he or she is black. >> thank you for being here. thank you for being here. that does it for me this hour. i'll be back here tomorrow in the chair. you can catch me weekends right here on msnbc. first, former vice president al gore talks to andrea mitchell,

and andrea mitchell starts right now. >> good day, everyone, this is andrea mitchell reports in washington. the white house adds paid family leave to the social spending bill. >> we would like to put on the table the family and medical leave that is so needed and so popular in the country and makes such a difference in the lives of americas families. my message to senator manchin, with all of the rpt in the world for the point of view that he represents, i disagree. i think this is appropriate for this legislation. >> senator manchin standing firm that it does not belong in the bill. >> they want me to write in blood that i will be for this, this, this, and this but i'm not and they know it. they know it.