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welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd after tuesday night's election disaster for democrats most everyone in the party agrees they're not in a good place right now. and they need to do something to avoid something worse next year and beyond. but there are serious disagreements about what exactly that something is. but for right now, democratic leaders in washington are just simply trying to hit the gas on president biden's build back better agenda, which president biden told reporters last night should have been passed before i election day. whether or not it would have made a difference on that score he's not so sure. still speaker pelosi told democrats she's hopeful she will see votes on the president's two-track agenda in the coming hours. here's what she told nbc's garrett haake about the political sequences of the

stalled agenda? >> what effect do you think having not passed these bills have on tuesday's election results? >> well, let me say it in a different way, getting the job done, producing results for the american people is always very positive. i do think when as the american people learn more about what we're doing in this legislation for families, for children, for women in the workforce, to save our planet, it will be very positive. and you can't deny that it will be very positive. >> ahh but stop us if you've heard this one before. the next steps are a dance and steps to adding and attracting to the bill to assuage members. and just because there's urgency doesn't mean there are fewer land mines for democrats. in fact, far from it. democrats want something, anything, to get passed on both of these tracks to turn the page around this week's election which they're still trying to wrap their own arms around. nbc news projects that democrats

will hold on in new jersey but according to david wasserman, if republicans replicate nationally in races, the on-the-ground success in both new jersey and virginia they would wipe out as many as 40 democratic seats next year and as many as the mid-50s. where democrats go here we will try and tackle it later this hour as the party faces challenging with messaging and tactics and democrats to name a few. and we'll go to where the party goes now. joining us kristen welker and our capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. kristen, let me start with you. let's focus on the acceleration of trying to get something passed. what role is the white house playing? or are they basically right now, waiting to see what pelosi can pull off? >> reporter: well, i think that the president is trying to twist the arms behind the scenes while letting house speaker nancy

pelosi take the lead on this, chuck, he's here at the white house, he has no events on the public schedule at this point in time that we're aware of. no plans to either go to capitol hill or have lawmakers come here. so the action is really on capitol hill. i think what you are seeing from this president, from this white house, is an attempt to try to ramp-up the pressure on dong get something passed. you saw him yesterday when i pressed him about eat election results and i asked him what responsibility he bears for what happened in virginia and beyond those losses, that very close race in new jersey. and he essentially deflected and blamed and said, look, i think it underscores the need to get the legislation passed. so i think that's a strategy to try to use those losses to energize congress to act. but there is a lot of finger pointing going on, chuck, behind the scenes. and also soul-searching. where do they go from here. one of the challenges that the

public acknowledge doesn't understand the pieces they're trying to pass, pieces which poll quite well. but they would acknowledge that a lot of the american public doesn't exactly know what it is that is going to be incompassed in the build back better bill. i wouldn't be surprised if you saw the president increase his outreach, in terms of going on the road to try to explain this to people. i think there's a ramped-up pressure to do that. i spoke to some behind the scenes saying look it's divided. there are some quite glum and divided and focused on the work, chuck. >> kristen, yesterday morning it seemed that the white house was prepared to say, hey, look, terry mcauliffe didn't run a good race. and then new jersey got confirmed i notice they've pulled back their finger

pointing at mcauliffe a bit because now it's harder for them to explain away the environment, i take it junior. >> reporter: i think that's exactly right, it's much more difficult to explain the environment and what we witnessed in new jersey. that's why, i think you saw president biden pivot very quickly yesterday from talking about the race in virginia to the need to get his legislation passed, now, of course, and ali is going to delve into this more deeply, there's a divide on capitol hill about the message that voters were actually sending. do they want these big pieces of legislation, or do they want something smaller, more piecemeal? that's part of the debate that's unfolding right now and what may hold up passage of this legislation if it does encounter more hurdle along the way. >> kristen, you did set up ali very well here. ali, i do want to shift the conversation towards your side of pennsylvania avenue. but i want to begin with playing joe manchin's reaction on paid leave being put back into build back better, which, of course,

the president just a week ago had said was not going to be in it. and then speaker pelosi's response to it. here it is, for viewers. >> family leave. >> okay. >> democrats in the house are putting it back in the bill? >> yeah. >> does that change your view at all? >> john, i don't believe it belongs in the bill. >> with all due respect for what he represents, i disagree, i think it's appropriate in the legislation. it fits appropriately with child care, home care, and medical leave and has the full support of our caucus. >> so, ali, this is where i'm confused by the strategy now of house democrats. a month ago, there was no way they would pass anything, vote on anything that they thought would get stripped out of the senate. now it appears her strategy is whatever it takes to get the bill passed and make the senate deal with it? is that the change in strategy in trying to get this passed out of the house?

>> reporter: it certainly seems like it. and democrats privately will admit there are several things in their version of the build back better bill that are messaging points for them but that likely will get stripped out the of the senate bill. i was the person who broke the news to senator joe manchin that speaker pelosi and democrat has put it back in the bill. and what he said to me it was very challenging for him to see it in there and house democrats were aware of those parameters. manchin has been consistent on things like this, like paid leave and as well as he doesn't want to rush this. while house democrats on the point and moderates versus progressives, it's that they'd just like to move on this. that is not where senator joe manchin is. he's been fine with this taking a little bit more time. in fact, those are the words he ruses repeatedly when we ask about each twist and turn. i think the change is what pelosi is saying publicly versus

privately. publicly in that news conference in which he gave in the last hour or so, she wasn't saying when the house was going to vote. privately this morning, she did say she could see a build back better bill and infrastructure bill on friday. voting on that surely ensures that progressives are able to have the bills linked. >> right. >> reporter: but make no mistake, chuck, once they move to the bipartisan infrastructure bill, that bill is done. it can go to the president's desk. but the reality of the package that's going to go to the senate, it's going to go through a voterama. and it's going to come back to the house looking very different. so the idea this was on a two-track process the whole time has sort of fallen apart or will fall apart as soon as we see a house vote on either of these bills. >> well, that's interesting. it seems like progressives are okay with this strategy.

a strategy they didn't except a month ago. thank you both. >> let's turn to a man, democrat to the house of representatives next year, and new york congressman sean patrick maloney, congressman, i appreciate you coming out. >> my pleasure. >> let me start with what your takeaway from tuesday night before we get into the details which is on the one hand you could look at virginia and put virginia in a box if you wanted to. but then when you see what happened to new jersey, you represent the hudson valley. and my guess is what you would see here, or see similar sentiments in your district that we saw in new jersey. but do you see it that way and what particularly did new jersey tell you? >> what it tells me, people are frustrated and they want us to fix the problems that are plaguing our economy, plaguing the public health.

they want the pandemic and the economy to be over. we have a plan to do that and we're this close to putting it in place. the other side has a ploy to exploit this for political gain. what we're doing is hard, chuck. and no one should be confused about that. we're doing it with very little margin to spare majority majorities on the hill. and we're tackling the most important problems that families incur. lowering the prescription drugs, helping them take care of their kids with a huge middle class tax cut. and cheaper health care, home care for ageing parents and making more of an investment in our infrastructure since the highway system and we're tackling the climate crisis with massive investments in economies that will create jobs for the future. these are hard things and we're not done yet. the plan is a real plan. unfinished, but close. i just hope people understand that this is going to affect the frustrations that the other side is seeking to exploit.

and that's where we are. we're not finished yet. but we're darn close to putting this plan in place. >> let me is you this, you know, history is obviously a lot of lesson in history. 1993, 2005, 2009, 2017. and we're off-year elections, where the party out of power did really well. and it did -- it didn't seem like you could stop that train for the following midterm election. and indeed those ones that i outlined there all seem to foreshadow an actual party switch either in the house or the senate. how do you essentially buck history here? right, you're dealing with, it looks like, we see a shocking off-year result. how do you prevent it? because here's the cycle of doom that you got to avoid. your own side cease oh, my god, is this going to be terrible. maybe i won't run again. their side suddenly has more candidates wanting to file for

elections that they they ever not. how do you predict good for bettering better for them and bad from getting worse for you. >> the way to buck history is to make history. we're about to make history in creating jobs and technologies and industries of the future. preparing our future and workforce. and health care for our families. we're going to make history, i think that's fair to say with the scope and plan that families will people in their family budget. in ways that matter to working and middle class families like the one i grew up in. and there is no plan except to grow this economy and this pandemic and make sure people feel it. we have to tell them what we've done, we have to explain to them the nature of the plan. because not everything will happen right away. we need to tell them that we've done it. we need to real mind them that the other side is not behaving responsibly in efforts to grow the economy and pandemic because that's a ploy to get back into

power. that's how you defeat that typical pattern but let's also put tuesday in context. i think it's fair to say you'd agree by any measure it was not what president obama faced in his first year after his first year in office. it was not as bad as what president trump faced after his first year in office. and it was not as bad as what president clinton faced after his first year in office. it's a split on new jersey and virginia. we're taking it seriously. but there's no predicting what's happening in 2022 until we put the full plan in place, create millions of jobs and the pandemic, and make sure people know what we're doing. >> tell me, i'm not getting into specific members who may retire or not retire. i'm not doing the name thing because i know you don't want to address that. but tell me your pitch to a member of congress who comes to you and says, look, i'm thinking about not running. and you need them to run. tell me your pitch to convince them to run.

>> right. i'll tell you what, it's actually quite easy. and it's easy because the stakes are enormous. those who lived through january 6th and had the stare in the face and vision of violence and anger that the other side is offering, i think we understand there's much more riding on this, we're talking about future of democracy. we're talking about whether we can find our ways through these current troubles to a future that is more prosperous and to a future than we've ever known. and we have people playing a game to try to win power. and we have people willing to traffic in dangerous conspiracy theories to endanger us all so the stakes are high. my pitch to future candidates is the country needs you. and i can't guarantee the success but that's what makes the worth important. my mom used to say everything worth getting is hard. my goodness, you care about the country and future of your kids,

it's time to fight for it. >> it's interesting you brought up january 6th. there's a debate going on among democratic strategists about how effective is trump getting democrats out. one could argue talking about trump seemed to get the trump voters out. but where are you on this? i mean, it did work in northern virginia. it didn't seem to work in other partsch virginia. is there a trump fatigue in the messaging? or do you still think there's a way to use it? >> i think there's no substitute for having a record of results. we have to do the work that people care about. grow this economy and the pandemic. have a real plan for the future. but you bet, the contract is important, too. so my answer to your question is, it's very important to know that kevin mccarthy and the house republicans have just put themselves in service of donald trump's ego to the point where they won't cooperate about finding the facts about the insurrection or the capital on the capitol.

or they'll spread conspiracy theories or bad information about the pandemic. spread the big lie about who won the election. those things matter in the contrast. but it's not sufficient. it's important to understand how irresponsible house republicans have become. by the way, that's different with a candidate like glenn youngkin who can start from a clean point and be all things to all people. >> right. >> kevin mccarthy has made his decision long ago. but what i'm telling you is, i don't confuse it with the primary job of having a record of results. and we're proud of that record. we're going to fix the tough problems that the other side seeks to exploit. >> congressman patrick maloney, democrat, as i said representing part of the hudson valley in new york. thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thank you, sir. up next, what is the right path forward after tuesday night's election setback. obviously it depends on who you ask. as you heard there. we're going to talk to

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i was talking to terry to congratulate him today, he got 600,000 more votes than any democrat has ever gotten. we brought out every democrat there was, more votes than ever had been cast for a democratic incumbent -- or not incumbent, a democrat running for governor. >> welcome back, that was president biden pointing out a harsh reality for democrats. terry mcauliffe scored record votes in the gubernatorial election. and ran up big margins in virginia's largest count. and across the board in particularly rural areas.

what does that mean for democrats it means the messages progress for rural votes and white men. if you write off both of those constituencies then you got to win 65% to 70% of everyone else available. joining me that knows something about white house messaging, jennifer palmieri. jennings it is nice to see you. and i know you're in new jersey. uh-oh. let me begin with something james carville said yesterday. i want to get your reaction to it. >> it's just don't look at virginia and new jersey look at long island, buffalo, minneapolis, even look at seattle washington. i mean defund the police to take abraham lincoln's names off of stools. i mean, people see that. and it's just really -- if has a

suppressive effect all across the country to democrats. some of these people need to go to a detox center or something. s expressing the language that people don't use. >> first of all, jen, i love that cavil said all of that on pbs. he's a hot voice for our friends in the newshour there, right? this is not the first time that james has said something like this. but what do you make of that issue because it does seem to have a problem with a certain section of voters that you should have in your column? >> honestly, chuck, it's wrong to obsess about this. the cultural issues, you know, things like erg, those things take hold with voters in the face of inaction, when there is dysfunction. right. and that is when people can paul fall prey to you know, like a

gray space argument like that. that's one of the reasons why it's really important that democrats not just get something done, right? we talked about that in d.c., get something done, but we have to make sure people understand how it affects your life. i'm from new jersey, and when i talked to him about it, he thinks that the back stop -- you know, historically, he's elections are really hard. and the midterms are really hard. but there are things that you can do that make a difference at the margins and that's why phil murphy is going to be our leader next year. he said he passed pre-k here. they do have that paid leave in new jersey. they did pass the infrastructure bill. they did do things in child care. a lot of the stuff in the build back better bill they have in new jersey. so he feels like it's the back stop for him. so does it mean that democrats

are going to have good midterms if they pass build back better and have a good job of selling it? no, not necessarily but there are things that you can do to affect the trends. the new jersey governor lost in 2009, and the democrat in virginia in 2009 lost by 17 points, and terry had a good race. but that cultural stuff, that cultural stuff that james was talking about, when that takes hold with voters, it frustrates voters on either side, it's because you're not getting your job done, right? the fundamental job in terms of how i think democrats deal with critical race theory when it comes up in the midterms. hey, parents should be partners in schools like they always have, but my job, my job is to make sure that we have the infrastructure so that your kids have a great school to go to. so that it's wired for the best

kind of learning. >> yeah. >> my job is to make sure there is pre-k so your kid can go to school, right? >> that's right. >> and if you deliver on these things i think the other stuff, if you will, don't have the hold that it could otherwise. >> how about the tactical issue that there's a debate among democratic strategists about how much time do you spend in areas that you're not going to do well, like for democrats, it's rural america. for republicans, it would be urban america. is it worth shaving your margins by three to five points in those areas? it takes a lot of work, right? it takes time away from there. but when you look at what youngkin pulled off it really has made the democratic map that much harder. if the rural midterm turnout looks like a presidential turnout, you guys got to win 70% of everything else that remains. that's a pretty tall task. but i understand the time issue, how much time would you spend in rural america, how would you

divide it? >> you have to spend time in rural america. i really believe democrats have to do that. first of all, look at united states senate. look at 2010 we had 60 seats, and representative states had senators in states like montana, missouri, north dakota that we don't have today. that you -- you have to give it not just a win to rural states, but everything is going to be at the margins come november 2022. and so you can't write off any population in your state. also, it's a bad way to lead. it fosters more dysfunction if you're not talking to everyone. so, yeah, it's a lot of work but, you know, and i know that murphy's team did try to do everywhere in new jersey. and it worked a lot on early vote and vote by mail.

and they just barely -- he may win by a few points in the end when everything is counted but, you know, his lesson -- there's a good lesson here in new jersey about how hard it is going to be but also what you can do to affect that number. >> jennifer palmieri in asbury park. say hello and salute asbury park if i get it there. >> greetings from asbury park. >> that was what i was missing. be sure to tune into the latest episode of "meet the press" meet the midterms and a deeper dive into this week's election results and what they mean for next november. streams on nbc news tonight on demand start on peacock. up next, one of the biggest story lines this week how voters

took their vote in education to the ballot box. how covid and curriculum shape the races. what it means for races across the country. you're watching "meet the press daily." uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination. yeah, but most of the time, her destination is freedom. nope, just the coffee shop. announcer: no matter why you ride, progressive has you covered with protection starting at $79 a year. voiceover: 'cause she's a biker... please don't follow me in.

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education whatever that meant to respondent was the second most important issue just behind the economy. obviously that ended up helping glenn youngkin who made schools of campaigns and issues what kids are learning outside of the schools. the candidate for school boards won three-fourths of 58 races they targed in schools. the politicizing the schools has caught the saengs of arne duncan. he and phil bryant, the republican governor of mississippi. they just outlined five ways that they believe they can put aside partisan politics out of education. arne duncan, good to see you. set national standards, fund early education. renew approach to infrastructure investment in schools that are badly needed, new technology, things like that. foster accountability. and then the fifth one, keep politics out of the classroom.

i want to start with 5 first. i dough you don't, but i will. because, it's how do you even define what politics is, right, when it comes to the classroom? i think back to my own ap government teach here sigh thought was terrific. and he encouraged to us register to vote when we turned 18. and sigh knew parents who thought that was bringing politics into the classroom. so, now do you even define what the word "politics" in the classroom means to a parent? >> well, that's a great question. that's a hard question, chuck. and it's the right question to start with. i think if i listened to you earlier, jen palmieri really nailed it, if we're delivering on some of these other things, the political tension, the wedge issues, the political divisiveness drops. so if we have access to early childhood education it's the best investment we can make. if we have strong national standards so young people when they graduate from high school can go to college and not have

to take remedial classes. we help to rebuild the schools, air conditioning, heating, whatever it might be. better results, higher graduation rates, less dropout rates. and i believe if we do those things, very importantly, chuck, do those things together, for me and governor bryant, for mississippi to come together and if we have the principles i think it's pretty significant. i think if we do those first four things well, that fifth one i don't want to say becomes easy. but becomes much easier. >> i look at it, the fact that there was a political action committee who decided to do for school candidates which is normally reserved for candidates, but on the left there will be now, that feels like say spiral that's troubling because if we know the par sean

identity of every school board member in america how does that keep politics out. >> yeah, it's hard, being a school board member is one of the thankless jobs, we had a school board meeting every month where you spent all day listening to the public but it could be tiresome and stressful but you actually got ideas. whatever you can do to get more folks running for school boards across the spectrum that's a healthy thing. look at president biden's education agenda, he's talking about making universal pre-k a reality, so our babies aren't starting kindergarten a year behind. and talking about high school not enough making pre-community college a reality. moving from k to 12 system which we've had for a hundred years to pre-k to 14, it's a vision of what it has to be today.

that's the right vision, that's not a republican or democratic vision. just the right vision. and the issue to me who made the education a reality, a republican, governor haslett of tennessee. let's support more candidates to have people vote, i think that's healthy. it might be stressful, it might be tough but it's healthy. think about what is our education vision. what do we want for children? if you drop out of high school you cannot get a good job. if you just have a high school diploma, that's not enough. starting earlier, going behind high school that's something that we all across the political spectrum rally behind. >> if you're still a school superintendent and you're dealing with a group of parents that don't like how race is being taught in the classroom. i want to put it that way, i don't want to use the whole moniker of how people want to

describe it. how would you go about defusing that situation? >> sir, you know better than i, trump is so low these days. it's just a sad thing. the way you rebuild trust is the issue. whether it's around race, sore issues, there's a million issues, rightly concerned about you can't spend enough time as a school superintendent, as a principal, as a teacher, listening to parents, sharing with them, bringing them in and making them part of the process. i advise this to superintendents now, too often they try to say everything is polished and done and rosy. i want parents to see our struggles. i want them to see the tough decisions we're making and the issues we're grappling with and that we're not going to make every decision perfectly. here's what we're trying to think about and here are our values. when you do that, and less worry about the polish and work on

rebuilding relationships, you build that relationship that is critically important to helping everybody move forward. >> to sum up, don't dictate the curriculum, have a public meeting outlining the curriculum and get buy-in from the public? >> on everything. that's just one issue, chuck. talking about being transparent. what are your high school graduation rates. what percentage of your kindergartners are ready for school when they start and not behind. be transparent on every issue. every issue, and here's our goal and how we're going to put it together. >> respect the fact that these people showed up even if you don't agree with what they're doing. >> have to. have to. you want parents engaged. that's a good thing. that's a healthy thing. >> yeah, every child with an engaged parent usually has a better outcome, that's for sure. arne duncan, longtime education superintendent, appreciate you

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welcome back. let's turn to the latest coronavirus facts that we believe you should know today. dr. fauci and the cdc director rochelle walensky has been testifying on the hill about the future of the covid-19 response telling the senate health committee that controlling the long-term pandemic will control vaccination rates here and abroad. came hours after the president released details on the administration's mandates for private employers. companies of 100 or more will have to make sure employees are vaccinated by january 6th.

unvaccinated will get tested every week and wear masks. the new rules come from osha. and in new overseas on the pandemic, the uk just became the first country to approve merck's covid-19 bill. the antiviral is the first remedy of its kind, kind of like the flu, thermoflu there that we use. the new data showed taking four pills twice a day for five days cut the rate of deaths and hospitalizations in half when given to the unvaccinated. merck has not publicly released the potential side effects but an fda advisory committee will valley the pill's safety for use in the u.s. at the end of the month. and here at home, covid is surging in colorado where hospitals are rationing care. the governor warranted residents that the delta variant has made going out to eat and shopping in colorado a bit more dangerous

than ever before. 80% of coloradoans are at least partially vaccinated. according to state health officials it's the remaining 1 million unvaccinated folks are the ones getting sick and crowding hospitals. nationally, there are hopeful signs the pandemic has turned the corner. especial with vaccine rollouts of tens of millions of children ages 5 to 11. thousands got kids size shots yesterday. luckily they didn't have to do it again. from d.c. to texas comfort dogs were seen working hard for kids who rolled up their sleeves. up next, an exclusive one-on-one with climate envoy john kerry. you're watching "meet the press daily." you're watching "meet th daily.

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rep for the united states, what will you turn? >> reporter: well, before the kopp twix summit, chuck, kerry said failure to pass significant climate legislation would be like president trump pulling out of paris for a second time. he's kind of eating his words a little eating his words a little bit now, trying to downplay that, saying that we don't have climate legislation and it's not affecting president biden's approval ratings. what happens if a republican wins the white house? could all the work he's done be swept away by a republican president? here is what he said about that. >> because of those trillions of dollars of commitment, because ford and gm have made the decision that by 2035 they're not going to produce internal combustion cars, they're only going to do electric, those kinds of decisions can't be

undone by an american politician. those decisions are so locked in, three years from now, 3 1/2 years, if there were to be the election of somebody from the other party, let me tell you something. their supporters are going to be as committed to this as anybody else. >> reporter: so, you know, we'll see. that might be a little bit of a rosy prediction. but on the other hand, john kerry also said he thinks that republican voters are actually shifting on this issue. this is what he said is the reason why. >> i believe lots of republicans around the country understand what's happening. ask farmers in iowa and minnesota. ask people who have been flooded out or heated out. look at the numbers of people that died in texas during the winter. you know, this is not some made-up political thing. this has nothing to do with politics. it has nothing to do with ideology, or shouldn't. this is about mathematics and

physics. that's what's happening. >> reporter: and chuck, he also said there are more than 50 members of congress who are expected to come right here to glasgow for the second week of the cop26 conference next week. of course the vast majority of those are democrats. so another thing to remember, if the timing of this legislation, the vote in the congress, slips to next week, you'll have a lot of democrats who have to make the choice of staying back so they can pass that bill or coming to the summit they all want to come for. >> josh, i'm curious, it does seem one of the challenges i've noticed out of this conference, and it sort of fits in with an interview i had with the prime minister of new zealand earlier this week, is that every country seems to -- if somebody else doesn't do enough, then -- everybody wants to sort of pull back a bit. it feels like everybody wants to make all the right pledges but is nervous about putting their money where their pledges are. is that turning into a problem

at this conference or not? >> reporter: i think so. i think there's been a lot of lost trust over the last many years, as countries have made these pledges, particularly these ones that are decades out, oh, we're going to go net zero by 2050, 2060, 2070, but are not actually doing anything now. the other diversion we're seeing here is the fact that the developing countries and the richer countries like the u.s. still not on the same page. those poorer countries wanting the wealthier countries to actually pay for them to deal with climate change, chuck. >> josh lederman in glasgow for us, josh, thank you. terrific interview there with john kerry as well. up next, an honest mistake? that is what the pentagon probe has concluded over the botched drone strike that killed seven children and three adults in afghanistan as a response to the terrorist attack at the bagram -- at the hki airport. more details after the break. at more details after the break

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the review into the u.s. drone strike that killed innocent children including seven in kabul, afghanistan earlier this year concluded that it was an honest mistake and recommended no actions. okay, so then what went wrong, if they call it an honest mistake, never mind the word -- why you put the word "honest" there, but was it bad intelligence, bad targeting, or what? >> all of the above. they're saying that there was basically what they call confirmation bias which is seeing what you want to see, maybe not what you should have been more skeptical about. they had eminent threats that isis was going to attack again. there would been a terrible attack on the airport that killed 13 u.s. service members. they see a white toyota, which happens to be the most popular vehicle in afghanistan, but they think it looks suspicious.

a person had a back computer bag, that seemed to be suspicious, moving possibly explosive into the car. now we know, of course, it was an aid worker, it was all benign, the water cans were not explosive, because they were water cans. the review basically concluded the intentions were good, there was time pressure, there were communication breakdowns, but no violation of laws of war. it begs the question, was there negligence to the point where it was a violation? >> and is there something missing in the system? what happens, when they make a decision to target somebody with a drone, is there any sort of, let's check one more time, let's do this, let's do that? is there something missing in the system? >> that's a good question, because in the past they've said they have checks, they have ways of vetting before they carry out a strike and they have elaborate

procedures to avoid civilian strikes. but clearly something went terribly wrong. and it's not the first time. i think this will come under more scrutiny in congress. you've had human rights groups saying for a long time that there's something wrong with the process, it's somehow too easy to drop a bomb or fire a missile without checks. >> this gets to the morality of a drone strike. can you ever get to a point where you can create a system that can make a drone strike not fail-safe but 99% fail-safe? >> this shows it's not possible to be fail-safe. you always take risks. the question is should there be more accountability if there is a terrible mistake. and there won't be a court-martial in this case. there could very likely be disciplinary measures. >> how many people are involved in the chain of command there? do we know? did they release that information? >> they did not. it's quite a number. one of the problems is sharing information among all the different actors, intelligence agencies send people to

different locations. that was also a problem. considering how many years that we've been carrying out strikes, you would have hoped for a better result. >> and this feels like an incomplete investigation. >> that's what a lot of people are saying. they say it was very thorough. but you have adam schiff saying i didn't see enough here, this isn't enough accountability. >> this feels like congressional review is necessary. i'm running late on time, i appreciate the report. thank you all for being with us this hour. msnbc's coverage continues with my friend chris jansing right now. good to be with you. i am chris jansing. and today, democrats in washington under pressure following the election drubbing to stop the infighting and enact the president's sweeping agenda. but they're confronting a complicated question. is that really what americans want? house democrats now appear to be rushing toward votes on the massive infrastructure and special spending packages perhaps as soon as this week. after months of dela