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hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is wednesday, november 17th, and we've got all the facts you need to know this morning, so buckle up. let's get smarter. we've got two possible breakthroughs in the fight against the coronavirus where millions more people could be eligible for the booster in the coming days as pfizer asks for emergency approval of its antiviral drug. all of this exactly two years
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since the first covid case was confirmed in wuhan, china. also today, the president will continue his infrastructure tour heading to detroit, michigan, as his party zeros in on the social spending bill with only a few days left before the break before the holidays. and with both spending and prices up across the country, we're going to take a look at how it's shaping up to be the tale of two economies. hear from a family who is feeling the effects firsthand. we've got to start this morning's broadcast with a verdict to watch. in just moments, the jury in the kyle rittenhouse trial set to resume deliberations for a second straight day in wisconsin but not before a dramatic scene in the courtroom that some are calling legal theater. the judge directing rittenhouse himself, rittenhouse to blindly draw the very jurors who are now deciding whether he is criminally responsible for killing two men during the protests in kenosha last year.
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that jury now made up of zen seven women and five men. julius kim, former assistant district attorney in neighboring milwaukee county, and charles coleman civil rights attorney. gabe, bring us up to speed. i mean, rittenhouse himself picking the jurors. that seems so absurd. i mean, like a high school picking a prom king and queen. >> hey there stephanie, well, it is a bit unusual, especially here in wisconsin where legal experts say it is not customary to do that in other courtrooms. however, this particular judge has a certain way of doing things. he does typically do this, allow the defendant to pick the jury alternates. so yes, stephanie, as you mentioned 18 jurors have watched this case. two were dismissed previously. 18 watched it and so yesterday kyle rittenhouse selected the names of the since alternate. those six alternate jurors will remain in a separate room here at this courthouse while the
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jury is deliberating. so stephanie, yesterday, the 12 jurors who remain part of the jury that's deliberating, they were deliberating for more than eight hours. as you mentioned, they're expected back here at this courthouse to resume deliberations in less than an hour. and stephanie no specific questions from the jury so far. they've only just requested extra copies of jury instructions. but that's what we're waiting on, stephanie. no indication how long this could take. this city is bracing for a potential verdict really at any time. but again, deliberations, day two of deliberations are set to get underway in less than an hour. >> this is your neck of the woods. have you ever seen jurors selected this way? >> good morning, stephanie. i've tried a lot of cases here in wisconsin, and it's not unusual to pick alternates by some random method by a lot. and while i've picked names out
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of hats and candy bowls and dishes and that kind of stuff before, i've never seen a defendant pick alternates out of a hat by himself, and apparently this is a policy judge schroeder has and he's done this before, and we're getting to know a lot of judge schroeder's policies. in all honesty, the fact that kyle rittenhouse chose his own alternates randomly, i'm not sure it's a big deal. i'm not sure it's the smartest move given the optics of it and the criticisms this judge has already faced. >> let's talk about the jury makeup. what do you think about it? >> well, i do think that the presence of that many women on a jury sometimes can be a good sign for a defense attorney. what we know and what we have seen statistically is that oftentimes women are a little bit more hesitant to convict and in a situation like this when you're dealing with kyle rittenhouse who at the time was 17 years of age, that may be something that the defense looks very, very positively on because
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they're hoping that what we've seen of kyle rittenhouse will trigger something in some of those jurors. maybe it will make them think about their children. maybe it will prompt some of the ma material instincts that they believe some of the women on that jury may have. and while that may be sexist to sort of say and to articulate out loud, the truth is statistically we know that to be the case after having tried cases before and surveyed jurors, that's just somewhat of a fact that you kind of learn as you try cases. and so i think that bodes well for the defense, but at this point it's very hard to tell because deliberations are still relatively early for a case of this nature. >> gabe mentioned it before. jurors asked the judge for extra copies of juror instructions. what do you make of that? >> you know, in this particular case, you know, i think that that was an encouraging move, if you're the state. i think the conventional wisdom was that the defense had some
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momentum going into jury deliberations because the video evidence was something that a lot of people didn't see before and it showed to a lot of people kyle rittenhouse defending himself over an attack. the fact that these jurors had deliberated more than eight hours, and now they're asking for the jury instructions tells me they're not making a quick snap decision as to what happened, as to what they saw in the video. they are really trying to piece together what happened here based upon the evidence that's been presented, the state's argument, which i thought was compelling. they kind of turn it around mid-trial here, and they're going to really apply these facts to the law. they haven't asked for any video evidence. they've asked for the jury instructions. that tells me they're going to make an effort to try and apply the facts to the law, and that could be promising for the state. >> and charles, the longer the jury deliberates, what does that tell you? >> that's a great question, stephanie. i think in many respects, the public was kind of spoiled by the very quick decision that we
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saw with derek chauvin being tried in the case of george floyd, and so they think that this is taking longer than it should. but the reality is this is a very complex case, we have three victims and three different sets of charges for each victim that have to be considered, each and every count by the jury. so i don't find this to be abnormally long at this point. i would say that the longer it takes, we won't really know what that means until we start getting notes from the jury and they start asking questions. if they start asking questions about not being able to agree or potentially being hung our what if one person doesn't want to agree with the group, then we'll know more. quite frankly, at this point it's too early to tell. >> gabe, there's a lot of talk about potential unrest. what is the feeling there now compared to where we were a year ago? >> reporter: stephanie, i can tell you there have been very small demonstrations outside of this courthouse. slightly greater number of people yesterday, but overall, the temperature here in kenosha,
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both literally and figuratively is much lower than it was august of last year following the -- during the immediate aftermath of the police shooting of jacob blake. now, as we know the governor in wisconsin has authorized several hundred national guard members to be on standby. they have not yet been deployed, stephanie. i think that's important to note. things are relatively calm here. however, there is a very tight security presence inside that courthouse. i was there earlier this week, a lot of police officers inside the courthouse and even outside yesterday when some of the demonstrators started, you know, talking amongst themselves. there were some tense moments among some of the demonstrators. the police officers very quickly responded to make sure things stayed under control, stephanie. >> all right, gabe, julius, charles, please stay close. we'll touch base with you again when and if we get a verdict. charles, i just want to say it's disappointing we're not seeing
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your pants today because i heard you're wearing very smart purple ones. >> i am. really got to give a quick shoutout to my paternity, omega, it is our 110th founders day and i am definitely wearing purple sweatpants today. >> i'm sealing it, i'm feeling it. i'm acknowledging it, it's working. we're going to leave it there, now to president biden heading out on the road for a second straight day to talk about the new bipartisan trillion dollar hard infrastructure law. this time he's going to detroit, michigan, to talk cars, specifically electric cars. nbc's mike memoli traveling with the president. he's in detroit. peter baker chief white house correspondent for the "new york times," also with us. michael, the president wants to sell his agenda as a way to fight inflation and bring costs down. how is he going to do that in an electric vehicle plant? >> reporter: well, steph, what is the word we've heard so auch from the president from members of his administration to
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describe the infrastructure plan and build back better plan, transformational. some of the specific line items in what the president has proposed can deal with some of the biggest challenges this country faces, multiple challenges at once. by spending money to invest ask install hundreds of thousands of electric vehicle charging stations across this country, you help create a market for the electric vehicles that gm is producing in this plant behind me creating thousands of good, union middle class jobs. and you're also dealing with the climate crisis, helping gm meet its goal of going to all electric by 2035. the other part of this and we expect to hear the president talk today about investments that he wants to make in the advanced manufacturing sector that will help deal with some of the supply chain issues. think about chip shortages that have raised the cost of electronics that the president also wants to help deal with that challenge as well. it's clear, steph, that inflation challenge is one the
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white house understands a political issue for them. that's why you've seen a messaging shift over the course of these last few weeks leaning into the inflation concerns. the president arguing if you are worried about inflation, congress has the tools to do something about it by supporting his agenda. a word about michigan, this is the fifth time the president has come to this state that's more than any other state in the country, other than virginia, pennsylvania, a real signal of what the president is looking at politically heading into the midterms as well. >> that's a good point. peter, the tough part about selling a greener economy has always been that the benefits are down the road, and we live in a world of short-termism. how does this white house convince americans that their energy priorities are in the right place when at the very same time, gas prices are at a multiyear high and the cost of heating our homes of heating oil is likely to be up 60% this winter. >> yeah, it's a real problem for the biden administration to sort of make that connection to say, look, even though we're seeing the short-term, you know, gas
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hike, we're going to actually need to shift out of fossil fuels as much as possible, that's something that republicans have jumped on. remember, of course, when biden said -- president biden or then candidate biden said in last year's debate with president trump that, you know, want to talk about get ing rid of fossil fuels, that was something republicans thought was a gaffe, something, it was a bit of a political jujitsu to make the point to americans who are concerned about climate change that there is, in fact, the beginning of a real effort here to transform the economy in a way that will not just not hurt it but actually help it over the long run. and you're right, americans are short-term thinkers. it's a bit of a political uphill sell. >> give me your take, your big picture take on the biden administration's efforts to rebrand the president's agenda as a way to combat inflation. what do you think, peter? >> well, i mean, i think mike's
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right. obviously pretty concerned about the political ramifications of inflation as well as the economic concerns about inflation, so they're trying to basically frame everything in the context of that, but you know, steph, you know better than i do, there's a limit to what an administration can do to actually fight inflation. that's usually the province of the fed and out of a president's control, but they have to look like they're not only fighting it, but they have to look like they're concerned about it and recognize it. this administration said for several months don't worry about inflation. it's transitory. it's temporary, it will go away. it's a function of the pandemic easing up. that doesn't seem to be the case. now they have to recognize that going into next year this is now probably top of or very close to the top of the voter's concerns. >> it depends on how you define transitory. right now people aren't happy. i want to bring in democratic congresswoman debbie dingell, she represents michigan's 12th district, just a few miles from where the
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president is going to be. always good to see you. takes to michigan, gas prices there are up 65% in the last year. how is the president's agenda going to fix things for people where you are right now? we're heading into a winter where people might have to choose between filling their car with gas and heating their home. >> well, first of all, we have to make sure that nobody's making that choice, and that's our responsibility at the federal level to make sure people are getting the support that they need. inflation's real, but we are starting to address the capacity of the infrastructure bill, build back better, but we need to be doing more. maybe contributory factors that are causing this from the delays at the ports. he's opened the ports 24 hours. you've seen the statistics that that is down. we've got to work on a lot of other things. but i think what the president's doing by coming back to michigan is again showing that we can address climate issues, but when people are driving electric
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vehicles, it's going to cost them less ultimately to power that vehicle than it does right now. so we're in this transition phase, and i think coming to detroit, i invited them -- they know they're still going to get the vehicle and ultimately it's going to use lesser energy. and not contribute to global climate. >> congresswoman, while it's often fueled by misinformation or overstating things, republicans have a very straightforward message. their message is biden's agenda is causing prices to go up, and that's causing pain. i hear from democrats recently, and they keep pointing to papers written by nobel laureates, they're talking about larry somers, paul krugman, brilliant economists. however, when you're talking to people in dearborn, michigan, who are complaining about the
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state of things right now, what connects with them? >> first of all, i'm paying those same prices. i when i went to congress started taking picture of milk, eggs, diet coke every week so i would know what was happening to prices. then i tell them why it's happening. i remind them by the way, what we were like a year ago which began the contribution to where we are right now. we're going into thanksgiving week where a year ago we couldn't be with our friends, our family, people were scared. we were isolated. next week we're going to be able to be with them. but the way our economy, the way we were being handled a year ago contributed to all of this, so now we've got people through covid with the american rescue plan, but we're not done. we're addressing supply chain issues, building resiliency, and addressing it one issue at a time. we can't change it overnight. but we damn well better work hard to get it fixed fast. >> always good to see you. thank you for joining us, and
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this morning we're following two major developments in the fight against the coronavirus. first, most adults across the u.s. could soon be able to get a pfizer booster. the fda expected to authorize the booster as soon as tomorrow for all adults six months after receiving their second dose of the vaccine. and second, pfizer asking the fda for emergency use authorization of its antiviral covid pill. the company says the pill cuts the risk of hospitalization or death by 89% in high risk adults who have been exposed to the virus. and today marks two years since the first known case of covid-19 identified in a 55-year-old in china on november 17th, 2019. joining us to discuss dr. vin gupta, a pulmonologist and a global health expert. boosters, for all adults and a
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covid pill are potentially available soon. is this the double whammy that will finally put covid in our rearview mirror? >> good morning, stephanie, great to see you. it's going to be hugely helpful, let's be clear. the pfizer oral pill, this is something that could be given to high risk patients soon after a diagnosis, so really dependent on rapid diagnosis for somebody symptomatic, that's cutting hospitalizations down by 90%. this could revolutionize how we treat covid and ultimately reduce the death toll. the question on boosters ultimately, that's going to be should versus may. what's the language on recommendations, stephanie? should she get the booster? should everybody get the booster or may you get it? that's going to be really key to watch that language. >> to date more than 7.5 billion with a b vaccine shots have been administered globally. 441 million doses here in the u.s. give aus reality check. where would we be right now
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without the vaccines? >> you know, it's interesting, between december 2020 and may 15th of 2021, researchers found that if we didn't have vaccines pre-delta, we would have lost about 180,000 additional americans. imagine now in the era of delta what we're seeing in places like florida where even 20% of those over 65 didn't get vaccinated, what might have happened, probably stephanie, take into account the whole gamut here, we would have lost an additional half a million americans without vaccines up to now based on research that's been done and based on research that we think is our best guest on the impact of delta amongst the unvaccinated. it would have been an extremely higher death toll. >> extraordinary. i want to also ask you the kaiser foundation found that unvaccinated adults are now more than three times as likely to lean republican than democrat. have you ever seen a time in
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history where politics has played such a role in public health. no, i haven't, and yet, i'll say many of those individuals who might lean republican who are unvaccinated, i talk to many of them across organizations. i would say 60% are reachable based on survey data from government agencies. that 60% of those individuals are still reachable. they just have questions. they consume information differently. they want that one on one engagement. we should still not give up. >> we've got to help everyone rise up and be safe. dr. vin gupta, always good to see you. we're going to leave it there. coming up, remember this guy known as the qanon shaman, he's going to get sentenced in less than an hour for his role in the january 6th attack. everything you need to know next. get more with neutrogena® retinol pro plus. a powerful .05% retinol that's also gentle on skin.
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this morning the so-called qanon shaman who stormed the capitol on january 6th is set to be sentenced. prosecutors want him to serve the longest out of anyone who's been criminally charged for the riot thus far. scott mcfarland has been all over this story. scott, what can we expect? >> reporter: it begins in 30 minutes. according to prosecutors, jay con chansley, in addition to having that unique outfit was a pivotal figure at a pivotal moment january 6th. the prosecutors are going to
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argue he had a bull horn. he was egging on the crowd and he left a note at mike pence's desk at the u.s. senate, the senate president's desk saying justice is coming. they're going to say, though he shows remorse now, he was gloating on january 6th and shortly after. defense lawyers are going to argue he has mental health concerns, didn't damage anything, injure anyone, assault police or plot or plan. we're told according to the defense filings that he sought a pardon through mark meadows, through trump's chief of staff before trump left office and agreed to help the impeachment trial but was rejected. jacob chansley is going to speak today. the feds want 51 months, about four and a half years in prison. >> pardon me, that is crazy. we also know that the rioter who's accused of tasing officer michael fanone, he wants his --
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>> the interrogation the fbi agents had with daniel rodriguez of california. there are several revelations in that transcript and defense lawyers want it to be suppressed. according to the transcript, rodriguez anticipated civil war was coming and said he used the taser on officer fanone to help officer fanone. the agents were dumbfounded by that. rodriguez is a devout follower of info wars and calls one of the greatest days of his life, the day he spent eight hours with anti-trump advocates about the greatness of donald trump. >> that is next level. thank you, we're going to keep our eye on this as we watch for that sentencing. next, we know that spending is up but so are prices. a closer look at how inflation is impacting different communities across the country. spoiler alert, it is not equal. it is not even close.
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economic recovery. retail sales are up showing that people are spending more, but a lot of families are still struggling to get by and worried about the future. i talked to one family doing their best to make ends meet. andrew and brook moser are feeling the pressure of inflation on everything from clothes for their two kids to groceries to household staples. >> i am paying attention to the prices of things that i would never pay attention to the price of before. now we have to price shop toilet paper. it added a whole new level of stress i never thought i would incur. >> cereal up 3% since last year, chicken up nearly 9%, and eggs up almost 12%. the mosers don't like paying more, especially since andrew was recently laid off, but despite the higher prices given other factors, they say it's not all economic doom and gloom. >> in terms of how stressed you are right now on a one to ten,
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what would you say? >> about a seven. >> where were you last year? >> last year we were probably about a nine or a ten. we had no idea what was going to happen. >> the pennsylvania couple has had to make lifestyle changes to offset higher costs. >> where we used to do a steak night, steak night kind of got the cut. >> we now have to rebudget everything and then also throw in christmas. christmas is coming up, and i'm like, oh, this is so much fun. >> nights out for mom and dad replaced by nights in with the kids. >> we make popcorn with the kids and stuff, i consider that to be kind of like a date night for the both of us. >> government support helps too. the mosers are among the families of 61 million children receiving the expanded child tax credit. nationwide the payments average $430 a month. >> how important has that child tax credit been? >> that's absolutely helped us out in the times of need. >> there's always going to be challenges but as long as we stick together and as a family, we always rise up and try to make it better.
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>> with consumer demand high and prices unlikely to come down anytime soon, the mosers are working to find balance. like the mosers, inflation is stressing out american families across the country, and while politician and pundits are screaming about who's to blame, for facts sake, let's walk through what's really going on here. bottom line, prices are higher than anyone would like, but for some of us who can afford it, and some of us cannot underscoring the reality that we have two very different economies in this country. many americans save money during the pandemic with household wealth up a record 28%. if you own a home, if you own stocks, they're all worth more. and a lot of those people are out there spending and that is driving up prices. for millions of other americans they don't have that savings, they don't have that cushion. though hourly wages are up, those wage increases are wiped
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out when you're paying more for rent, gas and groceries. what can be done? number one, the fed can raise rates. they can change monetary policy that would likely slow the economy, but that's not going to happen for months. number two, fix the supply chain, but keep in mind, it is a global problem that the u.s. government cannot fix on its own, certainly not overnight. and number three, consumers could slow down their spending. if americans stopped buying so much, it would bring down demand as well as prices, but keep in mind, we are expecting to break retail records this holiday season so do not count on that, not anytime soon. for facts sake, no one is shrugging off inflation, but we are a country with very different economic realities. some don't like these higher prices, but they can keep paying while millions more are getting crushed and panicking over the days to come. so let's dig deeper. i want to bring in knee la richardson, chief economist for adp, art cullen, pulitzer prize
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winning editor of the storm like times, subject of the brand new pbs documentary, and michael tubbs former mayor of stockton, california, he wrote the new book "the deeper the roots." neela, set this up for us, what does the current jobs and inflation picture tell you about these multiple economic realities in america? >> good morning, stephanie, great to see you. you know, there has always been multiple economic realities. what the pandemic has done is exacerbate the differences, so, for example, in the jobs market, we've seen tremendous growth and recovery. remember, more than 20 million jobs were lost in march and april of last year, and we've seen over 5 million jobs in line with 5 million created just this year alone, but we're still 5 million down. we still have a lot of people sitting on the sidelines, and even though job openings are near record highs we still have
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labor force participation that is much lower than it was in february of 2020. what that all means is that there are some bottlenecks to this recovery, and those bottle necks are affecting certain businesses and certain consumers and certain households a lot more than others. >> take me to iowa, we have an economy where if prices go up, they go for everyone, and while some americans can afford these higher prices, other americans can't. what's it like in iowa right now? >> well, first of all, john deere workers are on strike right now, and they're the largest manufacturer in iowa, which is a manufacturing state, believe it or not. the second biggest part of our economy is agriculture and agriculture is doing pretty well this year following that phony trade war that trump waged with china. and now china has been buying a lot of corn and soybeans and
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pork, and so that's buoying the iowa economy. but those same factors are at play, labor market participation is down farther in rural areas and not recovering as quickly as urban areas. there's a lot of anxiety in rural iowa about home heating prices this winter up 50%. and of course gasoline prices over $3. and we all know that corn eventually is going to settle back down near $4 once chinese demand catches up. >> michael, people who live paycheck to paycheck do not have extra money lying around. right now families of 60 million children are getting on average $430 a month from that expanded child tax credit. that is huge, but it runs out in december. come january, what could things look likes for economically vulnerable families? >> well, thanks for having me,
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stephanie, and the picture to be painted, it will look like what things were before the pandemic, so it's like people choosing between heating and gas. choosing between groceries and child care. choing between pampers and other things. making tradeoffs that nobody should have to make in a dignified society, particularly given how well some people are doing despite the inflation, despite the fact that we're still in the pandemic. and i think that's why it's incumbent as soon as build back better is passed that we have a conversation about how to expand the child tax credit so it's permanent. that's part of what it means to be american in the 21st century. we know when you invest directly with the american people, they consume goods and things and allow them to live with dignity and take care of their children. >> nela, i mentioned sort of some of the options of ways to deal with inflation. anything else that stands out to
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you, or is a lot of this out of the president's hands? >> you know, the way that we give relief in this country i think is really important because inflation is a component of two factors. one, a lot of demand, and we've seen demand elevated during this entire period, consumers were the first to rebound out of the pandemic, and they've been spending ever since in that transformation from services spending to goods spending is why we are seeing such supply shortages now. we have an economy that can't keep up with all of this demand for goods and services, and that's led to higher prices, in addition to the pandemic-related closures. so when you think about what can curtail inflation in the short-term. in the short-term, it's about helping people get through this part and encouraging them. whatever road blocks there are to the labor force participation, whether it's not having child care, child care being too expensive, gas subsidies needed to get people
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to work, commuting subsisubsidi getting people back, making money and watching firms invest in productive enhancing capabilities so that wages grow for productive reasons, not for competitive reasons. that's what's going to make main street in the long run. that's what helps curb inflation during this transitory period. >> put things in perspective for us, that family i spoke to in pennsylvania on a one to ten as far as their economic anxiety, they said they were feeling about a seven but compared to where they were last year, sort of at the low points of covid, they were at an 11 or 12 last year. how are people feeling about the economy right now in iowa and put into perspective where we were a year ago. >> well, what i can tell you is that our newspaper nearly went broke during the pandemic, and it would have were it not for the payroll protection program. and the first half of the year
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was absolutely terrible. advertising did not return, and we started breaking even this summer, and so you know, i still have a lot of anxiety about where especially rural communities are headed, and i think that's shared as evidenced by the john deere strike where even with a 10% raise on a six-year contract they rejected it, and they're supposed to vote again. but i think that's out there, and it's on tv and you see that picket line, and you realize that there is a lot of economic angst that ultimately leads to anger. >> michael, we hear in times of crisis about different ideas, new policies, new programs. in stockton, california, you put in place universal basic income. based on your experience, is the answer write people a check, and
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they will spend it on money to support themselves? because just putting together a lot of programs costs a lot of money. >> no, i definitely think that's part of an answer. i mean, as you mentioned sort of the three options, it's a complex problem, and i think we also have to talk about the cascading impacts of the trump trade wars and tariffs that we're still paying the price for two years later. in terms of your question, absolutely, a guaranteed some sort of income floor allows people to breathe easier and relieves some of the economic anxiety and also helps them be productive. it helps them remove barriers to work so they're back participating in the labor force. what we're seeing now with all the labor strikes is that workers are demanding dignity. they're demanding wages that keep up with inflation. they're demanding to be able to provide for themselves and their families. i think it's incumbent on us to take this moment we're in and real economic channels and not to mitigate a pass that never
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was but really talk about how we build an economic future that works for anyone, the income floor starting with the child tax credit is a great first step. we have to do all the other things as well, fix the supply chain to really get our economy back and up and running. >> an economic foundation that works for everyone. you can't talk about our economy like it's one thing. it's a complicated one. michael, art, nela, thank you all. you definitely made us smarter on this wednesday morning. coming up, graphic testimony and images as the prosecution rests in the trial of three men charged with chasing and killing ahmaud arbery. we'll go to a georgia courtroom where that case is playing out next. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need
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something that's standard procedure in trials. the judge is very unlikely to do that. once the defense starts presenting its case, we expect them to portray ahmaud arbery as the criminal, as the perpetrator, as responsible for his own death almost in this case. while a lot of attention has been focused on the video that we've seen of the chase and the shooting of him, the defense is focused on home security video that appeared during the trial, that shows that arbery was in this neighborhood on a number of occasions at night in the weeks and months leading up to the fatal encounter. the defense is saying that he was a suspicious figure there, although there's no evidence to show that he was taking anything from any of the houses or robbing any of the homes. so the defense is portraying this neighborhood as a place where there was a crime scene going on, where there was a serious problem, and that these -- and that arbery was a part of the problem, and a suspect, and on the day in question, that the defendants were acting responsibly, that they had even encountered arbery two weeks before the fatal encounter, and that they were trying to pursue him, detain
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representative gosar because of that video. we know that two republicans are going to support it, that's representative adam kinzinger and representative liz cheney, as well, saying that no member should depict violence against another member. now, republicans say that democrats are moving too quickly and going too far and setting a bad precedent for the institution, for this censure resolution. the reality is that censure is really not that common up here on capitol hill. the last time it happened was in 2010, representative charlie rangel for an ethics violation, but democrats say they've tried to ask leader mccarthy to go through the ethics committee, to open an investigation. something that he ignored, so they have to move forward with this censure resolution. it is expected to pass and also, republicans have done this recently, as well, as recently as 2019. they tried to censure maxine
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waters, so there's a lot of hypocrisy on the other side on this issue, but democrats do plan to move forward and this is expected to pass this censure of representative gosar, which i said, steph, is not really that common up here on capitol hill. >> okay. so let's say it passes. then what happens? >> reporter: well, if it passes, then that censure resolution is read on the house floor and representative gosar is going to have to stand in the house well, in front of all of his members, as it is read. it will also be on c-span and what whatever networks decide to take it, as well. but i will also said that a lot of democrats are drawing a direct line from this to january 6th, how violence has become much more apparent, especially on the right and the far right of the party. and really, a destruction of the relationships and the comity up here on capitol hill between the republicans and democrats. it's something that is really
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unprecedented and only getting worse, stephanie. >> unprecedented and only getting worse. you know what that means? it is time for a change. we have got to be better than that. leigh ann, thank you so much. thank you for watching. that wraps up a very busy hour. i am stephanie ruhle. next, we are keeping a close eye on kenosha, wisconsin, where any minute the jury in the kyle rittenhouse trial is set to resume deliberations. do not go anywhere. jose diaz-balart picks up the breaking news coverage right now. and good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart on another very busy wednesday morning. all eyes are on the courtroom in kenosha, wisconsin, where at any moment now, jurors will be continuing to deliberate homicide charges facing 18-year-old kyle rittenhouse. also, any minute, on capitol hill, we'll hear from speaker pelosi and other democrats on that massive reconciliatio

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