the governor's office said he is considering what is a rare request for clemency by the parole board but as of this hour, no action has been taken. we'll continue to cover this story for you, which is a reminder how the death penalty often does work in america. thank you for watching "the beat." "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> hi, ari, thank you. have a wonderful evening. we begin "the reidout" with the scene on the floor of the u.s. house of representatives. alexandria ocasio-cortez addressed the video and posed today official house account that depicted him killing ocasio-cortez and turning knives on biden. she delivered an denoudenouncin

>> i've seen other members of this party advance the argument including representative gosar himself, the illusion this is just a joke. that what we say and what we do does not matter so long as we claim a lack of meaning. i am here to rise to say that it does. our work here matters. our example matters. there is meaning in our service, and as leaders in this country when we incite violence with depictions against our colleagues that trickles down into violence in this country. >> congresswoman casio-cortez

came before the house voted to sensor congressman gosar and strip him. liz cheney and adam kinzinger did not vote for it. expelling a member from congress, in fact, according to the "new york times" fewer than two dozen members have been sen censored since the early 19th century. after republican after republican took to the floor to justify it and to use their time instead of addressing the video at all, to scream about brown people at the border and afghanistan and inflation, on the floor basically talking about anything, any talking point they could think of not related to paul gosar indulging in the murder of a latina colleague and they continue to investigate the trump inspired

violence against the capitol on january 6th and gosar's threat against a co-worker would get anybody else fired from any other job but in the house, the republican minority leader kevin mccarthy doesn't care because if it takes violent aname fantasy memes to make him speaker, that is good enough for him. he ignored questions about gosar but was animated in a speech from the house floor where he delivered a master class in what about and complaining from gas prices to the mueller probe to inflation. here is how congresswoman ocasio-cortez responded to kevin mccarthy. >> what is so hard about saying that this is wrong? this is not about me. this is not about representative gosar, but this is about what we are willing to accept. when the republican leader rose

to talk about how there are all of these double standards and a lininy of these different things, not once did he list the member of congress threatening the life of another. >> the truth is, this is a long time coming for congressman gosar that made no secret of his radical believes. he openly associates with known white supremacists like nick fuentes that denied the holocaust and joked about genocide and the republican party not only tolerates him, they embrace him and why wouldn't they? not so subtle ways and in some subtle ways, republicans are just openly now issuing the threat of political violence to reach their extremist base. madison hawthorne and little kevin himself have spoken about using physical violence against their political targets. and this comes as an actual trial of white supremacists,

people that like paul gosar associate with the believes of nick fuentes and use violence and murder to defend a racist statute. that is taking place now. congresswoman, let me play for you paul gosar defending himself and his really stupid, i call it violence porn aname video. here he is defending it. >> i rise to address and direct the mischaracterization accusations from many in this body that the cartoon from my office is dangerous or threatening. it was not. and i reject the false narrative categorically. for this cartoon, some in congress suggest i should be punished. i have said decisively there is no threat in the cartoon. if i must join alexander hamilton, the first person attempted to be censored by this house, so be it, it is done.

>> first of all, that man is not alexander hamilton and it's a disgrace for him to spit his name out. i want you to respond to that. do you accept that as a woman and woman of color that has to serve with that guy in congress that he says this video is not threatening? >> joy, my third day in congress was january 6th where we were literally afraid for our lives. after that, i had to get security at my home. my 5-year-old -- when i went to drop him off in the carpool line, i had security with me because of leaders in our country like him who are following donald trump and white supremacists in this country that made it unsafe for me to serve in this body of congress. no matter how many times he called it a cartoon doesn't make it okay and person after person after person came up and these all right same people that tomorrow will ask you why you're not signing on to their bills or why you're not working in a bipartisan fashion but i think

we need to go back to the maya anglo because his siblings tried to tell us who he was when they came out and campaigned against him when he was running for congress and not enough people listened to his own family members so we -- i was a proud co-lead on this resolution today to strip him of his committees and strip him in front of the house but to watch his colleagues, republicans stand with him in front of chamber, stand with him with pride as if everything he did was okay. >> let me play jim jordan, louie gordon and matt gaetz. i have a question for you on the other side. listen to them. >> what are they doing today? censoring a member for a cartoon. you got to be kidding me. >> when there was violence against us there was no

condemnation. >> today we're critiquing paul gosar's aname. next week we might be indicting the wily coyote for an explosive ordinance against the road runner. >> that last guy is accused of allegedly sexually trafficking a teenage girl. if the republicans take over the house and they are sworn in as the majority after the 2022 midterms, kevin mccarthy will be speaker and those three will probably be committee chairs. mask mandates will be gone. people will be able to walk around and cough covid all over the house of representatives and apparently, violence against women and fellow members will be a okay. and they will probably -- they said today pretty openly they will try to exact revenge on the democrats for this. will you feel safe serving in congress if kevin mccarthy is the speaker?

>> i don't feel safe today knowing that i have to walk in a chamber with those people. every day who tell -- they're telling us exactly what they believe and subscribed to and they walk in that chamber every day and they're serving in this body with us and they have these people across the country who they are encouraging to do this, though, i have to get on this plane when i go home, go to the grocery store, live my daily life in the deep south. i'm from georgia, joy. i'm in the deep south and i have to live this every day when they're continuing to perpetuate the violence in this country and we -- i hope maybe one day matt gaetz will have his day in court for the crimes he's committed so we will see what happens but i'm going to do everything that i can to make sure that kevin mccarthy is not the speaker of the house. we have some elections coming up in georgia and i'll be working around the clock to make sure that we continue to keep the majority because we can't let

kevin mccarthy lead this country. >> of course, matt gaetz denies the charge against him but yes, it will be -- there will be elections in georgia. that's for sure. congresswoman williams who serves in the seat formally held by the great and late john lewis who knows a lot about political violence. he did in his brilliant life. thank you congresswoman, appreciate you being here. >> thank you. with me now matthew dowd, candidate for lieutenant governor in texas and the author of the book "revelations in the river healing the nation and healing ourselves" and david gosar, brother of paul gosar, your brother denies his aname violence porn video was at all dangerous. what do you think? >> well, joy, you know, given paul's track record, if he tells you that it stopped raining outside, grab your umbrella. you know, i mean, he's just a

liar. of course he meant this as stoking controversy. i mean, they cook this up with the intention of, you know, getting attention, raising funds like they always do. you know, with these house trolls, they all have to one up each other. okay? so he knew this would be controversial. and he was heavily involved. what a lightweight move to blame it on your staff. seriously. and then he knew it was going to happen. it was intended to raise funds so clearly, it was intended. you know, paul, explain where the humor is because i'm having a hard time understanding the humor. >> marjorie taylor greene gets fundraising. they use this as a grift but

also mean the violence. they seem to be very sincere about wanting the violence and attacking members of the other party. matthew dowd, let me play for you what speaker pelosi said about this video. >> disguising death threats against a member of congress and a president of the united states is in an animated video does not make those death threats aniless real or less serious. and indeed conveying them this way makes them potentially more dangerous by normalizing violence. >> so here we are, matthew. lauren did an ad in which she had a gunshot that was, you know, referencing the speaker of the house, political violence is now apparently very acceptable to the republican party. and only two republicans found what gosar did objectionable enough to censor him, your thoughts? >> we have a history knowing

threats of violence and words of violence happened to african americans long before violence was committed on them, they got violent words at them. asian-americans, same thing happened. gay americans, muslim americans, jewish americans, all of it is proceeded by words of violence and i think that's where we are today. i was the subject and still the subject of death threats. i was the subject of death threats at abc directly related to donald trump's speech in this. i was at a campaign event a month ago where a guy came with a glock handgun screaming about a stolen election, screaming about that. we know it. my issue today is and i'm glad they did the vote, there is supposed to be a line between right and wrong between robust rhetoric and encouraging violence. there is supposed to be a line but if we don't cause people in this day in age to suffer consequences, there is no line. and i apply that to everything. i apply that to gosar and donald

trump and january 6th. if consequences are not suffered by those who do it, then we might as well say there is no line because it's totally allowed in this moment in time and i think that's the problem. we know what happens. we know what happens when people speak like this and when there is no guard rails from the republican party, zero guard rails, zero condemnation, zero ability to say you can't do that, don't do that, then the fringe elements of people in the society are free to do they feel are free to do whatever they want to whomever they want. >> yeah, and as a reminder, you know, we live in a country where multiple presidents were asass -- assassinated. this rhetoric resulted in real death of political leaders. used to have duals. he wanted to mention alexander hamilton. we used to have duals in this country where people settled supposed political disputes through violence. i know i'm having issue with

david's audio so i'm just going to ask you this final question, matthew. because i don't see how -- where this goes. if the republicans take over the house, i don't see where the limit will be because they'll know that they are just one presidential election away from full autocracy and there is almost nothing they won't do. their third in charge said he's david duke without the baggage and they promoted him after that. >> well, to me, every day i thought it can't get worse, it gets worse and i thought 2020 was the most important election in my lifetime and i've been doing this 40 years. i actually think 2022 is more important because after everything that happened in the aftermath of 2020 it's gotten worse since donald trump left office. it's gotten worse. if they get away and take power in that after all of that, it's only going to be extended further and further and further. the republican party today is a failed political party in a democratic country. it is a failed political party.

it no longer is interested in governing and no longer interested in policy for the sake of bringing people together or solving our problems. it has no interest in that. it is an aggrieved party that all they're worried about is cancelling the idea. they don't want us to be a multi cultural country. they don't want it. >> they don't want it. there is a name for what they are doing now and it's called fascism. we need not be afraid to say it. thank you both very much. up next, as we wait for a verdict in the kyle rittenhouse murder trial, the man that shot and killed ahmaud arbery takes the stand in georgia and senator elizabeth warren joins me about the concerns about inflation and what congress and the white house need to do to help people struggling. plus an exclusive interview with julius jones on the eve of his execution in oklahoma. and i'll talk with nick coal henna jones about america's long historyvicting people of

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we continue to watch the two major court cases in bruinswick, georgia and kenosha, wisconsin. kyle rittenhouse's trial just ended a day without a verdict. they wanted to rewatch videos including rittenhouse shooting gaige. a different video led to rittenhouse's attorney asking for a mistrial claiming they received an inferior copy of video showing rittenhouse turning and shooting joseph rosenbaum, video the jury also wanted to watch. >> we talked to mr. rittenhouse and i'm going to be asking the court for a mistrial. i think it is required in a case like this where he's looking at

a life sentence potentially without parole if convicted. >> the judge did not rule on the motion or the previous mistrial motion from the defense on monday. meanwhile in georgia, the judge until the trial of the three men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery dismissed two motions by the defense to end or dismiss the trial. after the defense's opening remarks they called travis mcmichael, the man that ended arbery's life to the stand. >> i want to give my side of the story. i want to explain what happened and to be able to say what happened from the way i see it. >> now mind you, ahmaud arbery doesn't have the luxury of telling his side of the story because he's dead. all we're left with is the evidence and the words from the man who killed him. >> what did you do? >> i shot. >> why? >> he had my gun. he struck me. it was obvious that he was -- it

was obvious that he was attacking me that if he would have got the shotgun from me, then it was -- this is a life or death situation and i'm going to have to stop him from doing this so i shot. >> did he stop when you shot? >> he did not. >> and a scene reminiscent of the rittenhouse trial, michael wiped away tears after recounting the events. the prosecution began a brief cross-examination. the prosecution is suggesting to bring in more evidence suggesting racial anamist. thank you for being here, david. this mistrial request should worry anyone concerned about this judge, i would think because the judge talked about having qualms about even admitting this video. it aerial video from a drone that when you blow it up because the prosecution wanted to show that, you know, this young man was aiming his gun at protesters

earlier and you blow it up big and it loses quality so he said he had some qualms about admitting it at all. he then said that the request for a mistrial would have to be addressed if there is a guilty verdict, literally meaning couldn't he just void the verdict? >> you know, joy, that's what he's suggesting. i've never seen a judge do that before. there are a couple things goes on here. number one, if your client gets caught doing something wrong on video, you want to keep the video out. the more clear the video is, the more you want to keep it out. that's all you have to know to know where the defense is coming from. the judge is hard to predict and made so many unusual rulings is why they keep emphasizing this. prosecutors made this judge mad several times during the trial, i think probably what is going on here is the judge wants them to have to sweat it as long as they can possibly make them sweat it because otherwise he should have ruled on this motion a long time ago. i've never seen it take this long. >> i think they made him mad by

bringing the case. he doesn't like the fact the case was brought at all. >> he basically said that. >> we should find out if rittenhouse is his nephew or something. let's go to the mcmichael trial. this is the most -- it wasn't strange if you ever watched like police officers, some of these are former cops but not current cops now but the claims that they're making, mcmichaels and his other co-defendants against the dead man, ahmaud arbery are bizarre but sound familiar the way police sometimes get away killing people. mcmichael is claiming after these three because they believe that somebody had been doing property crime and they thought this must be the guy and they go and jump into their truck with their guns and chase him, they claim they are armed with firearms and when ahmaud arbery saw them, they claimed he ran toward them and grabbed mcmichael's gun. have you ever heard of anybody,

a black man running, jogging, whatever in georgia, in the south anywhere seeing three white men in a truck with guns and run toward them and try to grab their gun like they're in a movie or something? have you ever heard of that? >> no, because you have to remember they've been chasing him for four or five minutes already. he's being chased by trucks with white men with guns and a confederate flag on the vanity plate in front. what gun owners don't seem to understand, you can own a gun, you can carry a gun, you cannot point your gun at people. the moment you do, that ahmaud has the right to defend himself. but something else you have to remember here, joy, they're not saying they didn't do it. they're acknowledging they did it. they were saying they were justified so to get an instruction on self-defense, which is what they want like rittenhouse, they have to offer some evidence to support the claim and so one of them with

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so republicans want you to believe the economy isn't doing well, that's terrible. unemployment is at the lowes point since the pandemic began. prices are higher which is never good but americans are spending a record amount of money, which economics 101 drives prices up, aka inflation. that conflict between how much we want to spend and what we can get into our hands quickly is contributing to help pessimistic many americans feel about the economy. consumer confidence is if the lowest in a decade and that lack of confidence has translate into a drop in biden's approval rating in part because republicans are seizing on inflation and blaming joe biden for it personally. which is a fun twist after republicans and trump maxed out the national credit card on tax cuts for the super rich and a partial wall that mexico was supposed to pay for. i'm joined by massachusetts democratic senator elizabeth warren, member of the senate committee on banking housing and urban affairs. thank you, senator, for being

here. the white house has put out this good news on today and they said here is what they said. major retailers are saying the shelves are well stocked. according to government statistics, there is a big jobs boom in the summer, not a bust. build back better will not add to inflation and 10% of 5 to 11-year-olds are vaxed in ten days, which is way ahead of schedule. and in fact, washington post does report that with revisions, the economy had 194,000 jobs in september and headlines called it ugly dismal disappointing. turns out it was 312,000 jobs. the economy isn't bad. people are mad because everything is late and things cost more. what do you make of this? >> so i look at it this way. there are a lot of strong signs and i try to look what is

happening in families across this country. keep in mind the big expenses here, joy. child care. from the time i was trying to get child care to today, child care expenses have gone up nearly 1,000% for parents. anybody who is trying to take care of an elderly parent and needs home based care for it has seen the prices go through the roof. anybody who is taking a prescription to have it filled has just seen huge price increases. these are big increases that hit a budget hard. this is the reason we need build back better. if we're really talking about what effects people's pocketbooks every single day, week after week, year after year, it's these big expenses and this is what the next bill that's teed upright now, house has got its toes right on the line to pass this thing that

will give us universal child care and prek that's going to give us home and community based care and it's going to give us negotiation on drug prices and help bring those costs down. so i want to see us move to lower the cost for american families for hard working families. the way to do that, pass build back better. i hope this means republicans are ready to join us. >> i wouldn't count on it. the reality is as you've said, what they say has nothing to do with reality because they want to get back in power so i set them aside. i'm glad you said the way you did because here is the thing. people are frustrated because of the supply chain issues meaning you order some stuff online, you order a couch and it takes like 12 weeks to get there but the things that are making it hard for people to work in the jobs where they ship stuff to you, you know, the people who work in shipping, the people that work as clerks, the people that work driving trucks but especially as you said the people that work in

the jobs that are part of that supply chain that are women, they're not going back to work because they can't afford the child care. they're not going back to work. the things that you could actually do to get people back to work to fix the supply chain if you pass that bill. >> that's right. these small businesses that say they need those workers, then let's get build back better done so that we're really creating the infrastructure so we've got the child care so those mamas in particular can go back to work and by the way, while we're at it let's raise the wages of every child care worker and preschool teacher in america. let's make those jobs the way we made construction jobs two generations ago good middle class jobs, let's do the same thing in the care giving industry. you want to talk about something that's good for families and that's good for our economy overall, and this time instead of being predominantly men's jobs, let do it because these

are women's jobs and mostly women of color,tment as a natio up those families. >> a lot of people are upset about gas prices but people weren't driving for a year and somehow gas prices still went up. there are some calls to investigate these oil companies because also, they don't really like build back better either because it deals with their issues but how is it when people stay home for a year suddenly the price of gas went up. can you explain that? >> come on, joy, we know exactly who the oil companies, what the oil companies pay attention to. what is their number one priority profit? think about it this way. if this were ordinary inflation we might see prices go up but prices at the pump have gone up, why? let me give you a hint. chevron, exxon have doubled their profits.

this isn't about inflation. this is about price gouging for these guys. so i get it. when we see prices go up we're all concerned and the republicans want to come in and just try to hammer on one theme about this economy but we got to pay attention to the fact that folks like the oil companies say i think it's just another opportunity to make profits and we need to call them out on that. >> one last thing, i know yourself ed, jeff asked president biden to pardon non-violent cannabis convictions at a time weed is hugely profitable for people who don't look like me and people that look like me are serving long sentences for it. talk about why that pardon would matter. >> so look, we now in 49 states have done something to make marijuana legal in one form or another. we have recognized that the war

on drugs put a lot of people behind bars for doing nothing more than smoking marijuana. we also know that the odds that you would be prosecuted were much higher if you were a person of color than if you were white. it is time to acknowledge the changes, acknowledge our mistakes from the past and say let's just take non-violent offenders, people who have violated those old marijuana laws and let's turn them loose and let's expunge those records. these are people -- >> amen. >> who have every right to get a good job, have every right -- >> that's right. >> to apply for college loans, every part of it. >> amen. >> they need to be part of all of us. >> amen. >> make it better. >> amen to that senator elizabeth warren. thank you so much as always. up next, the teaching the true history of america instead of the rosie parts entered the political main stream.

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one day in 1944 in south carolina police came for george of the bodies of two white girls were found near his home. he knew the girls and was accused of killing them. the threat of lynch mobs ran his family out of town and george himself was moved to an out of town jail and a lynch mob ensued. it took an all white jury ten minutes to convict him of murder. his sentence death by elect cushion. george is 5 feet tall and not even 100 pounds. they had to sit him on books because he was too small for the electric chair and the state of south carolina executed this

child ignoring cries for mercy. 70 years later he was exonerated because of course it turns out he was innocent. we're still executing people in this country who we're not even sure were guilty. julius jones is set to be executed in oklahoma tomorrow, tomorrow despite grave doubts about his guilt in a murder that he says he didn't commit. it's yet another case riddled with doubt and racial bias, another story reflecting the racial disparity that pervades the criminal justice. we don't teach the parts of american history that make some people feel embarrassed and uncomfortable. nicole hanna jones is fighting that so we can face the stories head on. joining me now is politzer prize winning reporter for "the new york times" magazine and night chair in race and reporting at howard university, nicole henna jones, creator of the 1619

project which is now expanded into a book out now with the picture book "born on the water." i have a lot of questions about the book. first, i want to read you a quote. thank you for being here. there was a piece written in the "boston globe" opinion section that published on tuesday that said being a black child afforded george stinney no mercy from a death sentence. i feel like one of the things that we don't talk about is black children and what being a black child has meant historically from enslavement to today often times it's meant nothing, nothing when it comes to whether or not people have empathy or sympathy for you. your thoughts? >> yes, absolutely. we know that what happened to george stinney is what happened to trayvon, it's what happened

to mcdonald when he was shot 16 times by police. there is a sense that black children are not actually children, that black children get treated as adults from a young age. we often don't even refer to them as teenagers but as young men or young women and that innocence of childhood really gets stripped away from children and we're, you know, as you pointed out, our system of the death penalty is a racialized system. we know that you are the most likely to be put to death for a crime if you are a black person who kills a white person and you are the least likely to be put to death for a crime if you are a white person who kills a black person and we are -- we were one of the only countries that allowed the death penalty to be used against children and until recently, we were the only country in the world that allowed children to get life without the possibility of parole in prison for charges

that weren't even murder. so we know who are those children who are serving life, who are the most likely people in this country to get the death penalty and this is something that is ongoing. the way we're talking about kyle rittenhouse, which is a young man, a child that committed a crime just by taking that gun across state lines and it's just a completely different narrative than we see of black children who have no weapon whatsoever. >> yeah. and, you know, so i want to talk about the 1619 project because last time we were on, we talked about the fact in a way you're the most dangerous woman in america because when people are fighting critical race theory, they're fighting you. what freaked them out is you. it was the 1619 project that reframed the definition of how this country came to be and forced people to reckon with the fact that child abuse, child kidnapping, the kidnapping of moms, the rape of women, this

was actually a founding part of the country the men that founded this country weren't saints but slave owners and slave breeders. talk about making this into a book and why you thought it was important not just to make a book but create a children's book as well. >> that's absolutely -- it didn't take long for us after we published the 1619 project to decide this was something we wanted to turn into a book for a number of reasons. one, there were so many other areas of america cap life that we weren't able to get to in the original project. we don't talk in the original project for instance about settler colonial. we talk about how the haitian revolution and the fear that black people because of course black people resisted slavery and the fear black people would

rise up against the white americans that held them in slavery leads to the young man stinson being killed, which is what leads to trayvon martin being killed is a fear of black people that is an fear. we want to expand the project to dig more deeply into the aspects of american life that are still being shaped and corrupted by the legacy of slavery and for the children's book, specifically when the project came out, i kept hearing from parents again and again particularly black parents that we don't want to wait until our children have grown into adults for them to have an origin story for them to have an understanding of the role black americans have played to shape this country and the democracy and they wanted something they could put in the hands of their children to give their children a sense of pride about our story and our legacy because as you know, joy, so often we're

talking to black people just took it that we just we're in africa doing nothing, waiting for someone to come steal us and once we were enslaved, we waited for someone to come free us as if we have no agency in american story and we do. we're the democratizing force in the country, and the children's book is the book i wish i would have had when i was a child. >> me, too. i want to show a great story. we have run out of time, unfortunately, but i want to show this great picture. there are archival photos in the adult book, and this is a picture of your book in the chapter on democracy. give us some context. what is that picture? >> this is my father in germany. he was a military veteran. the time in germany, this was a man who was born on a cotton plantation in mississippi. and joining the army is what allowed him to see the world. and to see himself as an american. in a way that he couldn't at home. so these were some of the greatest years of his life, and

he didn't live to see this day, but i have to imagine wherever he is, he's so proud. >> absolutely. the book, the 1619 project is illustrated. i love the illustration by nicholas smith. i'll be buying it not only for myself but as christmas presents to give to other people. you know i love to give out your book, sister. i appreciate you, nikole hannah-jones. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> still ahead, an exclusive interview with julius jones on the eve of his execution. ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. hello? gordon ramsay? this is a cold call! nfl teams are turning to cold with tide, will you? that will never work! if it works on nfl jerseys it'll work for you.

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away from the execution of julius jones, which will take place tomorrow afternoon. if oklahoma governor kevin stitt doesn't stop it. the oklahoma parole board has said twice that jones' sentence should be commuted. yesterday, journalist spoke to jones asking him what he would say to the family of the man he was convicted of killing. >> what do you want to say to paul howell's family? >> i love them. i love them, and i forgive them. they hate me, and they don't really know why. but it's the moment, they'll know the truth, and i hope one day they open up their eyes and see the truth. at this point, i hope they heal first and i hope they find

healing. i never had any ill will towards them. i don't wish them ill will. i pray for them constantly. >> you seem to almost always be worried only about your mother. what do you want to say to your mom? >> i'm blessed that i was able to come into this world through you, to be raised by you and my father. to have the brother and sister i have. i don't really have the words. i wish i was there to protect them, comfort them, lift them up, but hopefully, if i'm not here, they'll remember, you know what i'm saying, i'm sorry i was a bad kid. i'm sorry i made mistakes. but you know, i'm not a killer. i'm not a murderer. >> all right, mara joins me now, and my dear friend, mara, this

is hard. did mr. jones' mom get to see him today? >> yeah, joy. this is one of the most heartbreaking stories that i have ever covered. i just watched your segment with nikole hannah-jones and talking about the history of black children. as a black mother, i feel so much empathy for his mother. his family did visit with him today, but they told me they were denied a contact visit, meaning they were not allowed to touch him. they had the visit through the glass as they were to have a standard visit, even though it is very possible that is going to be their last time seeing him alive ever. and he told me that the last time he ever touched his mother was when he hugged her during the trial in 1999. his mother has not hugged her son for 22 years. she went there today to hold him in her arms for one final time, and she was denied even that dignity. it is inhumane the way this is being managed, and the governor

still has not said a word about his own parole board's recommendation to commute this death sentence. >> it's shocking to me that this is -- well, it's not shocking actually. this is exactly what we should expect because this is what we have done in this country for decade after decade after decade after decade. is there anything left that the jones family can do? is there anything left the people can do? i have gotten so many dms and texts and people saying what can we do. is there anything left that can be done? >> yeah, well, there's a problem built into the fact that not enough people even know about this. that tells you a lot about how little black lives matter because a lot of people are just learning about this today and we're less than one day out from the scheduled execution. people can call the governor, the justice for julius coalition has put out information on reaching the governor's office. they can sign a petition on change.org. that petition has almost 7 million signatures. and this family is an incredibly faith-filled family, and they're asking people to pray. there is still time for the governor to rule on this, and

just as a reminder, commuting the sentence is not a pardon. it's simply commuting it from a death sentence to a life sentence so the mistake is not made of executing a potentially innocent man. and a lot of people have questions about julius' guilt for more than 20 years now. >> and what else did he say when you spoke to him? how long did you talk to him and what else did he want the world to know about him? >> well, we spoke for about 20 minutes, and we have spoken several times over the last year that i have been covering the story, and he's incredibly respectful so he's never authorized me to record our calls or report any of what we discussed because he doesn't have permission to do media interviews. yesterday, he gave me permission to record the call because he's aware these are likely his last words to the public, and what has been most important to him consistently every time i have spoken to him is that he wants the world to know he is not a murderer. he's adamant about his innocence, and he's also focused

almost exclusively on his mother and his sister's wellbeing. so this is someone who is really concerned about how they're going to do after he's gone. >> i, as well, we should all be. we should be praying for that family. governor stitt, if you're watching this or get a clip of this, you can easily show mercy to this young man. let him fight for his freedom. my god, we have to be better than this at some point in our history. thank you. and that's tonight's reidout. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight, on "all in" -- >> issuing a depiction of murdering a member of congress is wrong. >> a far right congressman faces punishment in the house. >> what is so hard, what is so hard about saying that this is wrong? >> tonight, the paul gosar vote, and the rising tide of political violence and violent threa