and, i had tears. i can't wait for my child to see her growing up. >> that's all the time i have today. i'm alicea mendez. i will see you tomorrow. but first i hand it to maria teresa who is in for ayman. hi, maria. >> we talk about how teen representation is so important and how it shapes conversation, so that's what we'll be talking about with him tonight, alicea. >> thank you. good evening and welcome to ayman. fallout from the kyle rittenhouse verdict. we'll look at what message it sends about white vigil ante justice. plus the white house finally signed the build back better

vote, and actor and comedian, john leguizamo will join me to discuss the project and how it shines a lite on the criminal justice system. i'm maria teresa kumar filling in for ayman. let's get started. yesterday's acquittal of kyle rittenhouse on all charges, including homicide, ignited protests that continued today. thousands expressing outrage over the verdict and the message it sends about america's legal system. after the verdict, the parents of anthony huber, one of the two men killed by rittenhouse, released a statement suggesting justice was not served for their son or the other two victims. it read, in part, quote, today's verdict means there is no accountability for the person who murdered our son. it sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can

show up in any town, incite violence and use the danger they created to justify shooting people in the streets. and for example, contrast the rittenhouse acquittal the case of crystal mason. she's a black woman in texas sentenced to five years in prison for voting while on probation in 201 in the presidential election. the cases are very different and illuminating. in one, a white woman cast an erroneous ballot, while in the other a white woman brought a gun resulting in the death of two people. but it was a caste of a ballot that resulted in a prison sentence. joining me is cynthia a former federal prosecutor and kimberley motley, who survived the shooting. i want to start with you, kimberley. you were in that room when this was going on. you talked a little bit about what you were seeing last time

we had you on last week and i want to get your take because i think that being in the court room, listening to what the prosecutor and defense were saying and listening to the judge ask throughout the trial. i would love to get your take on what it felt like to experience this. >> thank you for having me. i was very surprised at how much the judge was acquiescing to the defendant. frankly, he's known as a judge who is very harsh when it comes to defendants. he certainly is the longest standing judge of wisconsin. i've never seen him so nice and frankly, bending over backwards for the defense. i'm personally from wisconsin. i practice law there for now over ten years. i see him practice law. so, i'm not a stranger to how this judge is and how the legal system is handed down in the state of wisconsin.

so, i felt that the judge was very biassed in the situation. and i certainly hope that every defense attorney in wisconsin, that chooses to be in front of judge schroeder orders the transcript and make sure he is consistent with their defendants brought before him, particularly defendants of color. >> something that came out at me was a piece in the "the new york times" that basically said self-defense laws need to be modernized because there's so many people now carrying guns that, sadly, what we saw in the rittenhouse verdict could be a playbook for others to actually follow. what do you say of this? >> i'm sure that's true. i think the case was -- the disaster of the case was right in the beginning when it was illegal for him to carry an ar-15 to the rally. that's the beginning of the tragedy that started the whole ball rolling and that's a function of the law. well, what do you mean a

17-year-old took an ar-15 to a rally and there was not a problem? and there was a problem. he shouldn't have been able to do that. let's just say if a black man took an ar-15 to a rally, he would have very quickly, either been shot or that would have been removed. nobody would have been handing him water. i do think there was complete unequal treatment in the manner which this kid was dealt with at the scene of the crime. the problem with this verdict is les for me about the verdict, in that it is going to encourage other vigilanteism, both on the right and on people on the left to protect themselves from the people on the right. and we're just going to have a violent clash and i'm afraid for people. there won't really be any legal changes until we've had more violence, which is terrible. >> carrying on that note and i think that's what so many people

are afraid of is that this asymmetrical law of how people come to justice if they're african-american, latino or white. and one of the things that was really striking was just because kyle was acquitted doesn't mean he was innocent. is there an intention by you that represents the family of the other victim to file a civil suit or take another course? >> well, absolutely. i mean, justice delayed will not be justice denied in this situation. we've already filed a civil suit against this city in the county of kenosha. we're looking at doing that against kyle rittenhouse. we're pretty positive we're going to do that against mr. rittenhouse as well. i agree with what your other guest was saying. she's right that if this were a person of color, certainly they would not receive the same treatment. i think this is a really larger issue with american culture, frankly. we have this culture where we set aside unfortunately and that has allowed for people like kyle

rittenhouse to go in communities not his own and be this chaos tourist and to murder people. i think in addition to us having a more equal criminal justice system, we need to take a strong, hard look and make some changes as it relates to american culture. what this means for society and frankly, the young people out there protesting, on the right or left, who should be able to protest peacefully, according to the constitution. >> carrying that note, what do we do whether it's the government to address some of the structural barriers we're seeing, implicit bias in the work being done to carry out justice? >> the first thing is elections matter. we have to hold the house. that is critical. you can't underestimate that. and here's an example why.

right now there's a supreme court case pending that is going to probably -- you know, most experienced supreme court watchers say, is probably going to loosen gun laws and make it easier for people to get concealed carry permits and say everyone has a right to conceal carry permits. that's because we lost the 2016 election, because trump was president and we can't lose elections. we have to win the arguments and elect house members, senate members, and the president. and i think we relied -- we just have been lackadaisical about that, lackadaisical about winning the argument on a host of issues. on choice, on all kinds of things. and somehow we think we can go about our lives and things aren't going to change but they are going to and things are only going to be better if we win elections and that means winning the argument.

>> and one of the things i often like to remind folks is in 2018, so many people came out and voted and we saw change and got stuck because you had a certain party, the republican party, that did not want to hear a lot of legislation, including the george floyd police reform act. when you hear cynthia say we have to go out, we have to participate, vote. i know as well as you do that judge schroeder has been on the bench for quite a while. do you think someone will now basically try to run against him, based on his verdict and the way he was conducting himself in the courtroom? >> i certainly think cynthia's absolutely right, and i don't see judge schroder running again, beyond 2026. he's an older judge and he's made his mark now with the rittenhouse case. i think it's important for the

viewers to note that even though people like me are very much against the verdict that this is our legal system. i think the jur -- they made their decision. whether you like it or not is beside the point. but we all have responsibilities to speak up and we all have responsibility to, frankly, be better within this wonderful country of hours that i'm really beside myself at. it seems like it's going down. in ugly and dangerous ways and we're supposed to be better than that as americans. i hope people get out and vote and pay attention to the criminal justice system and speak out when you see things that you don't think are right. >> i think you're absolutely right. we have the democracy in which we participate. if we love it and nurture it, then it will return the governance we need. thank you both for joining us

tonight. coming up, the house finally passed biden's social spending bill but not before kevin mccarthy tried to have the last word. plus i'll be joined by actor and comedian, john leguizamo. we'll discuss his comic book and presentation on the screen. but first, richard lui is here with the headlines. >> operations are returning to normal at the hartsfield international airport. a gun accidentally going off in a security screening area earlier this afternoon. and that was the security line at the country's busiest airport after a prohibited item was found going through a tsa checkpoint x-ray. they told the passenger with the bag to not touch anything during the search and then the passenger lunged at the bag and grabbed the gun, which then went off. the passenger then ran out of the airport. here's an eyewitness. >> absolute disbelief. i mean, you hear about it and you read about it but just being in the middle of it is something i thought i'd never experience in my lifetime.

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it's been months in the making. on friday, house democrats finally passed the build back better bill. it now heads to the senate where its future remains uncertain. the $2.2 trillion package contains measures on climate change and expanding the social safety net. >> this bill is monumental, historic, transformative. it's bigger than anything we've ever done. >> president joe biden said this will rebuild the backbone of america. the vote was supposed to happen thursday night. instead, house minority leader, kevin mccarthy spent eight hours ranting about everything from thanksgiving, china, hitler and abraham lincoln. what is more interesting is what

he failed to say. in the many hours, he never mentioned the pandemic or its devastating effects or the deplorable behavior of his colleague, paul gosar. gosar censured wednesday over an animated video he tweeted showing him killing alexandria ocasio-cortez. all also missing from mccarthy's speech is the republicans in support of biden's infrastructure bill. and all in this theatrics, purposely and soon forgotten, the bill passed friday morning by a standing ovation by democrats. and now americans, regardless of party, will reap the benefits, including mccarthy's own constituents in california's 23rd district, which happens to be home to one of the highest numbers of immigrants in this country. its local economy devastated by the pandemic. mccarthy's diatribe was for an increased tribal republican base and its leader, twice-impeached trump.

for more we're joined by congresswoman carolyn maloney. thank you so much for joining us on saturday night. listening to kevin mccarthy ranting and raving and not telling his republican party to stand down, to go back to the business of governing and not trying to incite violence was really devastating for so many people. take a look at what was said on gosar. >> do you plan to give margery taylor greene and paul gosar their committee assignments now? >> the committee assignment now, they may have better committee assignments. i think with gosar, those are the ones he wants. taylor greene, she was just a freshman. she has a right to serve on committees. >> congresswoman, what is your reaction to that? the fact that after he was censured for the first time in ten years, a congressman on the

house floor and only the 24th congress person ever censured by the u.s. house of representatives, the leader of the party said nothing? >> i know and it was a very serious issue. what representative gosar did is both despicable and beneath the office he holds. no other workplace in america would tolerate such dangerous conduct and neither should the house of representatives. i was proud of the democratic leadership that moved swiftly to censure him and remove him from his committees. mccarthy, he also is a disgrace. he didn't accept any responsibility for this. he should have. it's really very serious. promoting political violence has real consequences. many of my colleagues, not just aoc, but including myself, the capitol police and many others have received death threats and many people try to act on them. it should not be tolerated. rejecting violence should not

have been a partisan issue. we should have joined together, rejecting such violence. >> and i think what you're saying as well is the fact that once violence becomes toward, they spill into other actions, such as the insurrection january 6th. i know the subpoenas keep pouring in. but i want to pivot to what a week the president has had. he just passed the most ambitious plans in america to retrofit our infrastructure, while at the same time lowering the cost of insulin to around $35 and the list goes on. can you speak about what the politicking took to the last minute. i understand speaker pelosi was talking to manchin and sinema all along. so, this was surprising and

allows the chances of it passing in the senate to actually be possible. what do you say? >> i'd say the bill is a game-changing bill to the american people. i never thought i'd have the opportunity to vote on such a transformational historic bill. the whole week was historic. on monday, we gathered at the white house for the signing of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. building on the american relief bill. their three major pillars of president biden's goals this year and the final one is the build back better bill, which we passed and is now in the united states senate. i am confident that our senators will send it to the president's desk. i do want to note that, at the celebration on monday, both senators sinema and -- was there and manchin was there. and there's every indication -- i hope they'll be supporting and working with us.

>> and what is the likelihood, do you think, that because we're going to pass this in short order, that we're going to see the light of day on the freedom to vote act? if people are disenfranchised because of the redistricting we're witnessing in state-run legislation, that we're not going to be able to do that. >> i tell you i think we should have an exception to the filibuster for voting rights because it's so fundamental to our democracy and our rights. if you don't have the right to vote, you don't have a democracy. and efforts to hold it back, to weaken it, this is very serious. we're going -- we have to win the next election. that's my top priority. we need to re-elect president biden. we're thinking ahead but i can tell you it was a historic week passing this important bill and the investment and attacking climate change was historic. and my committee, we passed the electrification of the federal fleet and post office moving us off fossil fuels.

it's a huge step forward to protecting our planet. there's so much in this bill there's soy much in the bill from family and medical leave, the child tax credit, lifting children out of poverty, investing in 3k, 4k education, you name it. it's really transformational. >> congresswoman, you show what happens when people vote in record numbers. voting works. thank you so much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. now for more on republican tribalism, we're joined by an msnbc columnist and publisher of news letter "truth and consequences." i read your opinion piece that you published on msnbc, and i was really struck by how you analyzed the republicans as being tribal versus the democrats being wrapped around and mobilized by issues.

what do you say to that, where we are right now, and the likelihood of picking up where the congresswoman left off of elections next year? >> i think this speaks to something that's a real problem in general. their supporters are not as loyal as republicans are. and i think you saw this in the recent election in new jersey in virginia in which republicans turned out in big numbers. democrats, either in some stayed home, some voted for republicans. depending on loyalty to party with republicans. and you see this from cycle to cycle. in 2020, republicans turned out well down the ballot. in red state america, republicans did extremely well. were able to hold on to their majority in the senate, to some of their governships and house seats. what you see over and over is democrats aren't as willing to look past problems with their own party.

republicans, the loyalty to republicans, even in the face of acts like paul gosar, threatening to murder one of his colleagues, it's unbreakable. the bond that exists between voters and republicans in the republican party. >> so, how did the democrats fight the tribalism that is not just unifying the republicans but many say is also eroding democracy? >> there's no easy answer to that question and i hate to say it. for democrats, they don't have an easy way around this. i think there's an assumption that if you pass all these bills that help people and increase the social safety net, that you're going to win over republicans. it has a transactional effect. the reality is it's probably not going to happen. republicans may say we like paid family leave but it's socialism, communism and everything we don't like about the liberals. more likely to vote for republicans, even if they agree with some of the policy measures democrats are enacting.

i think what you see as tribalism has become much more representative of our national politics, as two parties become more polarized. republicans seem more inclined to vote republican no matter what. i didn't mention donald trump, which is the most obvious example of the phenomenon. he could not have screwed up the response to covid more than he did. it did not affect republicans turning out and voting for him. he lost but he did better than expected, considering his track record the previous nine months before election day in november. >> and you're talking about the ways in which gerrymandering played into this. you had someone who garnered 500 more votes than trump did.

what kind of structural changes can happen so, regardless of party, they're basically counted equally across the country? >> it's not going to be easy because you have a situation with -- around the country, they're going to gerrymander the districts to ensure republicans have an advantage. one thing democrats could do that they're not going to, would be expand, make d.c. a state, puerto rico a state, add new senators and congressman. that's the kind of ruthless political gesture republicans would do, democrats won't do. without that -- i hate to sound so negative on a saturday night, we should all be enjoying ourselves, but it's hard to see how democrats overcome this. because you have these structural disadvantages. you referred to gerrymandering, which is a problem and then the increased loyalty in republicans and the fact democrats cannot be counted on to the same degree to turn out. i think what really helped

democrats in 2018 and 2020 was fear of donald trump. if i was playing democrat, i was focussed on that fear again. i think it is a big motivator, for democrats. i think you could argue it did work to some extent. it worked in california for governor newsom. maybe it helps mcauliffe narrow the margins more than they would have been. i think it's probably the best thing democrats have going for them is the fear factor and it's a huge motivator. we all know that. >> and you can disenfranchise d.c. while you're at it. thank you for joining me. >> and policywise, d.c. should be a state. it should be. what should happen and will happen we both know are two different things. >> i do think you're right and i'm going to have to bring you on another time because we could talk endlessly about this because we're not quite seeing eye to eye but i appreciate your insight. thank you so much. now your redistrict will zoom in on the legal challenges

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a second lawsuit was filed this week against texas governor gregg abbott over the new congressional district maps in his state. the suit was filed by other voting rights groups and alleged that the maps, quote, intentionally discriminate and reduce their voting power." they contained not a single new district where black or latinos are the majority, despite the data showing that people of color account for 95% of the state's population growth in the last decade. full disclosure, i'm a member of the group who filed a challenge. i'm joined by julian castro,

former secretary of housing and urban development and an nsnbc analyst. you have been so seeped into what is happening in texas and the irony of the fact that the reason the state gained two seats is because of the growth of the population of both latinos and african-americans. yet they are receiving zero representation. why do you think this is? >> it's great to be with you on saturday night. >> always. >> i mean, your staff pointed out that 95% of the growth in the last 10 years in texas has been fuelled by people of color. about half of that by latinos. you asked why it is that republicans have gerrymandered this way.

it's to change into the kind of state we've seen turn over, like arizona, georgia most recently, and they have intentionally discriminated against latinos and other people of color in the state of texas through these maps. i'm glad that several lawsuits have been filed against it. people should remember this is not the first time we've been through this. i'm having a bout of déjà vu because a decade ago, they did similar maps and it was found to be intentionally discriminatory against people of color. for anybody out there thinking well, you know, this is not intentional, they're just drawing these maps based on political interest of individual politicians, which also happens, no. the texas republicans have a very clear and sordid history of intentionally discriminating against people of color through gerrymandering, and they're up to it again. >> and the reason the maps last time around were basically thrown out was because of the

voting rights act. it was because they did not pass muster under preclearance. a lot of these lawsuits right now are challenging the whole notion of section 2. can you break that down for our audience? >> yeah, well, it used to be before supreme court case, a few years ago, that maps like this would have to get precleared by the justice department to make sure they didn't run afoul of the voting rights act. after that case, that no longer is the case. so it's given free reign, basically, to the states like texas to engage in discriminatory behavior and throw that to the courts on a case-by-case basis. but even with that, even with the eviscerated voting rights act that was in place, a federal district court did find that one of their maps had violated the voting rights act and they engaged in intentional discrimination. i'm hopeful there will be a

finding in this case. what i am more concerned about, though, is we have a supreme court now that is basically turning a blind eye to violations like this of the voting rights act, and that's very worrisome. to me it just reminds us of how urgent it is to pass the freedom to vote act and the john lewis voting rights advancement act. >> and i think the reason the freedom to vote act you're referring to, what folks don't realize is one of the first things it does is surgically removes gerrymandering and that seems to be what is causing so much chaos and preventing people from participation whether you are in texas or georgia or what have you. i want to thank you so much for tonight for joining me and i -- oh, my gosh, i called you congressman. >> i was just going to let it slide by. >> do i owe you a tequila?

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in tonight's edition of "that's what they said," ahead of wednesday's house censure vote, alexandria ocasio-cortez dragged gosar over the coals.

>> it is a sad day in which a member who leads a political party in the united states of america cannot bring themselves to say that issuing a depiction of murdering a member of congress is wrong. and instead, decides to venture off into a tangent about gas prices and inflation. what is so hard, what is so hard about saying that this is wrong? our work here matters. our example matters. there is meaning in our service. and as leaders in this country, when we incite violence with depictions against our colleagues, that trickles down into violence in this country. and that is where we must draw the line independent of party identity or belief.

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shooting while white. if kyle had been a black or latino kid, he wouldn't have lived long enough to make it to a trial. in a country where they shoot black kids for playing with toy guns and latin kids for putting their hands up? >> he's an emmy and tony-award winner. his latest project focuses on this issue. he's the creator and author of a new comic book of a latino superhero. it revolves around structural racism in the criminal justice system. joining me now is long-time actor, award winner, friend, john, how are you doing this evening? >> hello. thank you for having me. it -- >> it seems right now you're trying to shed light on the criminal justice system, how it's sometimes stacked against

latinos and african-americans, and it falls in the backdrop with the rittenhouse case. what do you say about it and what are you trying to explore with your new project? >> obviously the verdict of this rittenhouse has devastated so many of us. like there's no justice. somebody can come in with an assault weapon to a peaceful protest and kill people and get away with it is a horrible message in our country. it's written and all hands touched by latin x illustrators and drawers was to bring a lot of attention to a lack of representation, first of all, because we haven't had a latin superhero and we've been here since 1492 and been superheroes since then. when i was bringing attention also was how toxins and radiation and pollutant particles are put into people of color's communities. instead of it killing us and giving us asthma and destroying our bodies, it makes us immune and powerful.

that's how i created it, and max gomez, unfortunately because he's a person of color, is wrongfully profiled and incarcerated. >> in the comic book, the main character, i quote, at first i thought the system was broken and now i think it's working fine, to keep people like me down. tell me more about that. >> there's an incredible documentary called "crime and punishment" about new york city and the unspoken quota that some policeman were arresting latin and black kids to fill unspoken quotas and ruin people's lives. this happens in america. it happens in latin communities, obviously, it happens in black communities. and i want to bring attention to it because we need to fix this broken system. >> and we have talked often times about the importance of

voting to change the system, to occupy the voting booth. you've been such an incredible advocate of it. what do you say to a young man who picks up your comic book and says i see myself now in this comic book. it speaks to me,

>> israel has been a month or a month temporally hafls in the dynamics of their outbreak, in their response by vaccination, and now in their boosters. >> as more people get boosted, another question looming is how safe are they? >> a big concern has been myocarditis of young men or inflammation of the heart muscle. >> have you seen anything from israel? about any sort of safety signals emerging? >> the answer to that is no, and we're in pretty close contact with our israeli colleagues.

>> dr. fauci's advice, is it maybe time for all of us to get the extra shot? >> there are no significant adverse events safety signals, that it look clear from safety, then i would be very much in favor of having boosters for everyone who's been primarily vaccinated at any age. >> and now that we know boosters are safe and effective, how and where do you get them? the best way to start is to call your local pharmacy or go online to your local state health department to see where the shots are being given. >> that is it for me. now i hand it to my colleague, zerlina maxwell. you'll be in incredible hands. she's picking up the second hour of our coverage. hello, zblerchlt are you going to get a boost? >> i already got mine. i went immediately. i'm boosted. i'm boosted. please stay safe.