we're coming on the air with breaking news on one of the trials we're watching this afternoon, that partial verdict in the unite the right trial in charlottesville. what the jury was able to agree on, what they could not with the judge set to decide whether to send them back into deliberations. we've got our team watching and monitoring. we've got our team here live.

and we've also got this, president biden just rolling out the biggest ever release from u.s. oil reserves. the question now is it too little, a little too late or the beginning? all of it as millions of people are getting on the roads for thanksgiving. plus in another courtroom right now jury deliberations in the trial of the killers of ahmaud arbery about to hit hour 4. what happens next to three men -- three of those three defendants now in the hands of 12 people? arbery's mother waiting outside the courthouse saying she believes she'll get justice for her son. i'm halle jackson in washington and start with that partial verdict over the trial in the unit the right rally. and that's be clear, this is a civil trial not a criminal one. this is something ken dilanian is here with us now. he's been covering this. we've been talking about it for a bit. ken, talk through what we know is being called this partial verdict, right? >> yeah, it's a really mixed

verdict, because on the one hand the jury awarded millions of dollars in punitive damages against these defendants on behalf of the plaintiffs who said they were injured in those two days during the 2017 unite the right rally. on the other hand, they failed to reach a verdict on the federal conspiracy counts thattual really were the heart of the case, that 1871 ku klux klan that made it a civil violation to violate the civil rights of people by promoting racially inspired violence. the jury deadlocked on those counts. the jury did find these defendants were guilty under a conspiracy under virginia law but awarded zero comp compensatory damages to each of the defendants and awarded half a million in punitive damages towards the defendants and a million dollars from the organizations. and then they went on and slapped a $6 million punitive damages judgment against james

field, the man who drove his car into the crowd and killed a woman and injured many others. he's already serving life in prison. he doesn't have $6 million to spend. so there were a lot of damages awarded here, but on the heart of the case the jury deadlocked. >> ken dilanian, we've got some breaking news to get to on a separate topic. ken. it actually might be relevant. new just into this a new batch of subpoenas just out out from the january 6th select committee. nbc's leanne caldwell on capitol hill and also with us betsey woodruff swan along with mark murray. leanne, let me start with you here. listen, this is literally just breaking in the last 30 seconds here. new subpoenas issued to the proud bois, the head of the proud bois, the oath keepers. leanne, talk through what we have here and this statement

just out now from the chairman of the january 6th select committee. >> yeah, hallie, this is a new batch of subpoenas, and there's one key sentence in the release the select committee says that it really tells why these people are targeted. it says we believe the individuals and organizations we subpoenaed today have relevant information about how violence erupted at the capitol and the preparation leading up to this violent attack. now, the individual letters, there were five letters sent out to the people that you see on the screen and the people you just mentioned, hallie, and there are instances of these people or the people affiliated with these organizations as well who espoused violence leading up to january 6th saying that violence has to -- if they steal the election then the only thing to do is to become violent. and one other interesting thing in these subpoena letters is that they are saying that through -- they learned of this

information not only through public reporting but also in previous interviews with other people they are talking to relating to their investigation. and we know this is a new batch of subpoenas on the heels of a batch that went out just yesterday as well. and also there are some deadlines today for some of the previous subpoenas including for people like bill steppian, jason miller, stephen miller, some top advisers to the former president, hally. >> betsey, let me go to you on this because i know you cover the ins and outs of this. let's go through the organizations and people subpoenaed here. and what's interestingthal chairman of the proud bois on january 6th was not actually in washington at the time. apparently he was not able to get into the city, but the committee says he was involved, they say, for the proud bois preparation for what happened at the capital.

there's also elmer roves who is president of the oath keepers and who the committee was in contact with several of the indicted oath keepers before, during and after the capitol attack including meeting some of them outside the capitol. couple of questions for you, betsey, but first of all let me start here. this is not totally expected, that the committee of course would want to hear from these groups and people some of whom are also facing charges criminally for their activities and actions on january 6th. >> it's not unexpected, but it shows the breadth of the approach the committee is taking on this issue of domestic violent extremism. one of the people named has already shown up in the prior request directed in the national archives. in the case of stuart roves and enrique they're interesting because they show how much of an overlap they're seeing between the committee's probe and what the justice department is doing. enrique tario is currently

incarcerated. he's serving a six month sentence for stealing and burning a black lives matter flag from a church. the ability of the committee to potentially question him while he's in jail is going to raise some interesting logistical questions. might make it easier, might make it harder. stuart rodes heads oath keepers. it's a very far right militia type group. the people who moved in columns in the crowd on military equipment on january 6th those are the oath keeper types. stuart rodes has not been charged even though the justice department's most interesting cases related to january 6th involve a relationship with the proud bois and oath keepers. he has yet to be accused of any wrongdoing. the committee might potentially get to him first. >> betsey, you referenced that piece of video. i think we're working to show folks, and when you see it you're going to know it because it's become one of the most infamous pieces of video from outside the capitol on the day

of the insurrection. you know i'm not a lawyer, but when a subpoena goes out to an organization versus an individual, right, because in this instance the committee is very specifically subpoenaing the oath keepers, the proud bois, what does that mean from a technical, logistical perspective here? >> from a technical perspective it's challenging. they're going to want all the materials these organizations control, but these are not organizations super well-organized. i believe a lawyer from one of the oath keepers groups recently withdrew from a federal case because he was having trouble getting in touch with his clients. there's been a lot of disorder from the upper echelons if we can use that term. it's not entirely clear there's a chairman of the board of the proud bois. it's going to be interesting from the committee's standpoint who they actually serve these

subpoenas to, how they hone in on these groups as a whole that in some ways, of course, are very effective and organized but certainly not the way you would think most institutions that get subpoenaed are managed. >> ken, on this point because i think our viewers will know you've covered these organizations, you've reported on them. i know we talked about a very separate topic but i wanted to bring you back in here because of the nexus to your beat here. play off of what betsey is saying here, right, because as she notes not particularly well-organized organizations. and now very certainly in the cross hairs of this january 6th select committee. >> yeah, that's right. i think we should keep in mind here a guy like stuart rodeos, there's bip a lot of information about his dialogue with some of the people who have been charged. he may well have some criminal jeopardy, but it may be the

committee doesn't expect to get very much out of all of these people. i spoke to a congressional staffer about this yesterday, and he reminded me, look, we're sending out all these subpoenas to people we may not expect much cooperation from. but, they, the committee, has interviewed more than 200 witnesses. so they're getting information from sources we have no yooitd idea about. they have to do the subpoenas because they have to be comprehensive but they're also on a political clock. they're trying to be comprehensive, and it'd be nice to have some of this stuff but i don't think they're counting on it. >> mark, talk about the political piece of this. as betsey noted this is apparently seems to be a demonstration of the breadth of the january 6th select committee and what they're going after. >> yeah. and hally, i think what they're really trying to get after with these new subpoenas is the coordination.

as we ended up saying january 6th not only were there just random people who wanted participate at that trump rally and walked out of the cap tol and got caught up in the moment they were members of oath keepers. they were members of the proud bois and other organizations. and whether or not there was coordination not even among those different groups but also with outside trump people and other kind of trump surrogates and people who end up having ties to these organizations almost kind of middlemen. and so to me outside of donald trump's own role and what he was doing in the white house during january 6th, this coordination on were these groups talking to each other, were they talking to people in the trump world to me is one of the biggest remaining questions that we have on the day of january 6th. >> leanne, let me go to you here because there is a question as has been noted by this excellent group of reporters and experts that we have in front of us

here, listen, if you're taking bets on whether rhodes or tariy complies with the subpoenas you're probably better not taking those bets. they seem to be willing to go after folks for contempt of congress, for example. would they go so far as to take that step in this instance? what's your sense? >> we'll see, hallie. they did that for steve bannon. we're still waiting on the committee to act on mark meadows, the president's former chief of staff, who did not comply with the subpoena. and the committee hasn't acted yet on that criminal contempt referral. and perhaps mark meadows is now complying. we don't know. i checked in with the committee just yesterday and they said there was no update for the moment. so, you know, looking ahead there's a lot of people who are extremely close, still, with the former president who have

subpoena deadlines as i mentioned today, yesterday, coming up down the road. and is the committee going to go through this process with every single one of them while at the same time as ken mentioned, they have spoken with over 200 people behind the scenes, 200 people that we don't yet know about. and they are hinting at the information they've already gathered in these subpoena requests to these individuals saying they've obtained some of this information through their own investigation. and there's a big question if this is just the subpoenas are just to prove a point, to put these names out in the media to know that they are topics of interest or to actually get information, hallie. >> betsey, yet you're reporting i know today in politico that the bannon actions that the committee has taken against steve bannon seem to have done very little at least so far in resolving these standoffs so to speak with others in former president trump's in circle who have also been subpoenaed.

>> that's right. we can confirm that dan scavino has not provided any documents the come committee, has not testified. as of this moment there's no evidence whatsoever he's playing ball. he's kept the lowest profile of all the senior administration officials in that first batch, but right now our total understanding is he's not cooperating with the committee. he's someone else who will potentially end up in their sights for moving forward on a contempt of congress vote. what makes these folks interesting, of course, is there's a zero percent chance they can make any sort of executive privilege or attorney-client privilege claim. and in fact, one of the folks mentioned here, robert patrick lewis, is someone who's touted his relationships not with donald trump but folks like michael flynn, folks like sydney powell. he's talked about a relationship with her. on january 6th early in the afternoon as chaos was beginning

to unfurl lewis tweeted that it was one of the most important battles that was being fought. he later in that day, however, tweeted that the attack on the capitol building appeared to be some sort of false flag, pushing a conspiracy theory it was actually people on the left responsible for attacking the capitol. and what's really interesting is several months after the fact he told the daily beast in a profile he was not near the violence on january 6th but rather he was at the willard intercontinental hotel, which is a location in d.c. that has been one of the top priorities for the january 6th select committee since it was a hotel considered something of a command center for all the president's efforts to try to overturn the 2020 election. i would be clear we've not seen any indication patrick lewis is being accused of crime, accused of having participated in any violence that day. he is someone who had a really interesting level of visibility into the way that conspiracy theories about the 2020 election

were promulgated. and he's somebody who's not going to have any sort of serious legal chance at shielding himself from testifying based on these privilege issues. so he is likely to be a key figure for the committee to pressure and someone who won't have a very strong ability to push back. >> that's an important point. i've got a member of congress to standby and talk about this breaking news with us. members of the proud bois and oath keepers, do we have a sense how many have been charged and going through sort of the process now on the criminal side as it relates to federal law enforcement? >> i don't have those numbers at the top of mind, hally, but it's been a number of them have there have been significant charges. the justice department has not in court papers at least answered the key question, which is was there a cop conspiracy here to attack the capitol? did anyone plan that day to attack the capitol? or was it a spontaneous spur-of-the-moment decision? it doesn't appear they have the

evidence on that either way and that seems to be what the committee is trying to get to here. >> thank you so much for your expertise, for your deeply sourced reporting as we're in this breaking news coverage now here on msnbc reports. thanks to all of you. i want to bring in someone else as we continue to follow this developing news from the capitol. democratic senator chris van hollen of maryland. senator, good afternoon to you. thanks for being on the show. >> great to be with you, hally. >> so we have word now that your colleagues on the other side of the capitol, the house select committee on january 6th, has subpoenaed several individuals including the oath keepers, the proud bois, the heads of each organization. your reaction? >> well, i want to salute the special committee for going through very methodically to collect the evidence both in terms of how the january 6th plot was orchestrated, instigated and then implemented in the attacks that day. and what this shows is that

they're going about getting that information from some of the organizations that were most volved. so whether it's organizations or individuals, they're collecting the testimony needing to participate that full picture of what happened. >> would you encourage those colleagues to move forward with further action if, in fact, some of these individual and groups do not cooperate with the subpoenas? i don't know if you heard the discussion we were just having with betsey, leigh ann and others. >> yes, we've got to enforce the law. congress has the right to enforce subpoena, and none of these organizations can claim executive privilege as others know. and even people like steve bannon have no executive privilege claim. i hope the courts will move quickly to resolve those issues, because it's important the committee get to the bottom of this, and we need the testimony to do that. >> what signal do you think

these subpoenas send as it relates to the investigation into what happened on the day of the insurrection? >> well, it shows they're casting a broad net, and they're making sure that they get the information from all the people who might have coordinated with folks in the white house. these are people who have first-hand knowledge of what happened because they were there. and they know what kind of organization was behind this. they also know whatever contacts they may have had with the president and the president's people. so this is another very important step forward, i think, in the investigation. >> let me ask you, too, in addition to this developing news happening this hour here on msnbc reports, last hour we heard from president biden rolling out that announcement about opening up those strategic oil reserves, trying to get those gas prices low. there's been some criticism from the right to the president on that move. your reaction? >> well, i think it was the right thing to do.

overall the economy is in a very good place. we've seen a big increase in jobs. unemployment is down much more quickly than people anticipated, but we do have challenges with cost pressure increases primarily due to the supply chain bottlenecks, and the president is doing everything he can to relieve those bottlenecks including now releasing petroleum from the strategic reserve, something that i encouraged the president to do along with others. so i'm pleased to see this action, but there's no one thing, hally, that we can do when it comes to the price increases because of the supply chain issues. but i do think this is an important part of the next policy we have. >> before i let you go, obviously, listen, this is a holiday week. it is thanksgiving week. it is slow at the building behind me here, at the capitol. but when you get back, when the senate specifically gets back there's an absolute packed calendar. i don't have to tell you.

there's the debt limit discussion potentially and of course the build back better act, the president's big climate and social spending bill. how confident are you, senator, the president's bill, this bill will get a vote let's say before christmas? >> i am confident. and we were just talking about some sort of price increases people are experiencing. one of the main purposes of the build back better agenda is to address the financial squeezes that american families are facing. we'll provide relief on the family budgets, reducing the cost of prescription drugs, reducing the cost of child care, elder care. and it will also provide a big tax cut for middle-class families with kids. so this is all designed to help relieve the pressures people are feeling in the pocketbook and work on the clean energy agenda. because what we're seeing here is that we've got to expand our supply of homegrown clean energy

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a jury right now in georgia is behind closed doors to decide what will happen to the three men accused of murdering amautd arbery. the state's prosecutor this morning spending about two hours delivering her rebuttal, responding spoosome controversial closing arguments from the defense. the jurors now have the task of determining whether the defendant acted with malice when they killed arbery or whether it was self-defense. i want to bring correspondent

cal perry. >> reporter: the first theme was that the idea these three men did this in the knowledge in that they were all a party to this crime. important because the prosecution want all three to be charged the same way. she wants them to be found guilty on all of those charges. obviously, the other issue at hand here was this citizens arrest law. she made clear to the jury in order to carry out a citizens arrest law, which, by the way is no longer on the books, but in order for them to carry out that citizens arrest law they would have needed to witness a felony take place in front of them. that obviously did not happen. that her other main point. and finally she asked the jury to be reasonable, try to look at this from a broad perspective. here's a little bit of that. >> those actions did it put ahmaud arbery in reasonable fear of receiving bodily harm? yes. so now what's he doing? he see running away from them. for five minutes he's running away from them. if they hadn't put him in reasonable fear of receiving serious bodily harm so that he ran away from them, would he be

dead? the answer is no. >> reporter: hally, the jury now deliberating. a quick note on the scheduling they'll deliberate today. if there's no verdict, they'll deliberate tomorrow. if there's no verdict they'll break for one day, thanksgiving day and be back here on friday morning, hally. back now to that breaking news from the house we talked a bit about not too long ago. president biden tried to make some moves to bring down gas prices maybe and deflate inflation as much as he can try to. as you know a lot of people are seeing a bigger increase in gas prices out at the pump. they're going to the dproesry store spending a bit more all in the ramp up to the holidays. and interestingly president biden in his speech there took on some criticism already coming out today related to his climate agenda. watch. >> my effort to combat climate change is not raising the price of gas or increasing its availability. what it's doing is it's increasing the availability of

jobs. >> nbc's mike memoli at the white house. talk to us what you're hearing from the white house because as we know there's already been some push back i think coming from conservative corners about this move. but the white house seems to be defending what the president's doing. saying, of course, listen, this is some right thing for us for now. >> you have the secretary jennifer granholm in the briefing room right now. there is this mismatch as she put it between the demand that's really picked up since the pandemic obviously bottom down when the pandemic when was at its peak and what the energy suppliers, energy companies are actually putting out into the market. so that's what the president is trying to do here with what he can control, taking 50 million barrels of oil from of the

strategic petroleum oil reserve. 32 million of those are going to be replenished in a few years. and the other 18 million are already mandated by congress by legislation they passed. he's moving up the time line to increase that. it's part of the effort not just the u.s. alone. as the u.s. has been frustrated with the fact opec has been heeding the demands to release more oil into the market, you have the president reaching out to our allies, the u.k., japan, india and also significantly china as well, a major energy consumer. it's part of what the president argued is going to have an impact on the every day pocketbooks of the people of america. let's listen to what the president said just in the last hour. >> while our combined actions will not solve the problem of high gas prices overnight, it will make a difference. it'll take time before but before long you should see the price of gas drop where you fill up your tank. and in the longer term we'll reduce our reliance on oil as we

shift to clean energy. and as the president talks about clean energy he also talked about that trip to detroit. last week i was with him when he went to that gm factory and talked about the jobs and had shift and the reliance moving away from crude oil in our energy and automobiles is actually going to benefit by creating jobs. we also heard from jennifer a direct response from the criticism it's the president's energy policy here that's been responsible for the increase in gas prices. she said actually a lot of the domestic oil producers have not rehired workers they laid off during the pandemic. they actually have oil rigs they've not turned back on and that there's land they have permits to continue to drill and continue to get oil they're not using at this point. so this has been an effort in part by the white house and by the administration today to push back and say we're doing everything we can but actually the energy producers are engaging as they put it in some anti-competitive behavior here. >> give us a fact check and

reality check. lindsey graham, republican senator graham among those who are critical saying today in a statement it's not going to work and we will end up having to eventually replace the released oil at higher prices. how big of a difference -- let's talk about you and me and our parents and family members and friends going to fill their cars with gas, right? this isn't a light switch. this isn't a magic wand, correct? >> that's correct. in fact, when you talk about the strategic reserve, you're talking about a very limed time of reprieve and a limited amount of reprieve when it comes to prices. now, president biden might actually be helped along by what we already know is happening. last week the international agency, the iaea put out a report that said energy is creeping back up. i believe it's 1.4 million barrels per day in october and 1.2 per day in november and december. when you see this you want to know what the broader context

here. it's not just release but is supply going up, which the president did refer to here. of course people are juggling bills significantly higher, gas prices, food prices and on down the line. >> ron, give us more of that broader context and how that fits into the bigger picture, the story we've been talking about so much over the last many weeks here, which is this issue of inflation, the issue of the policies in place versus the pandemic and the pandemic's role in inflation. >> hally, in my mind and i've argued this quite vociferously in a variety of different places this is very much like a post-war environment. in this case fighting a pandemic. demand comes back faster than supply because we've been off-line now in many different countries and many different industries for almost 18 months, computer chips, energy, a whole host of different products. so it's hard to restart that engine as quickly as demand rebounds. so a lot of this is indeed as

venter van hollen suggested almost inclusively related to the pandemic. we've replaced a lot of lost income with both fiscal policy measures and the infed has flooded the economy with money. this is not inhistoric inflation. i know joe manchin just came out said that. in 1947 after world war ii inflation was at 20%. so this is a major inconvenience. it's coming at a bad time around the holidays. and it will abate when we see more supply of all these goods whose production has been disrupted come back on stream. >> thank you so much to all of you being with us. talking about another development this afternoon coming from the white house. love to see it, thank you. come to our friends giving later. next up, concerns of this new cult-like fringe group

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okay, so do you remember those qanon people who got together in dallas a few weeks ago thinking jfk, jr. was going to come back to life and appear in front of them? we told you about them. they thought he'd come back to reinstate donald trump as president. for those of us living in reality we know that didn't and will not happen. after president kennedy's son died in a plane crash in 1999. some of those people who gathered there in dallas, they are still there. they are still there. they are camping out at the grassy knoll where kennedy was assassinated. and it's not all the qers, it's this subgroup apparently there to follow a self-described prophet called negative 48. they thought maybe monday would

be the day they'd see the second coming of jfk, jr. since it was the anniversary of the day his father was killed. and while that did not happen, obviously, they are not leaving and they don't plan to until jfk shows up in some form or another. ben, it is beyond, like, my level of comprehension that you and i are talking again about people still in dallas still out there still camping out for weeks now waiting for somebody who is dead i guess to reanimate, come back to life or in a hologram reappear in front of them. >> yeah, and they're not leaving anytime soon. in part because now they don't have any sort of conclusion to this. they don't have a specific ending to this thing. some of them said, you know, maybe we should look into the meta physical here. >> what does that mean? >> a meta physical visage or something like that. maybe we'll come back as some sort of energy or something. really anything that gets these people to move along would be

helpful. but it's kind of getting a little dangerous. they're speaking now about having to leave your physical bodies, and that's where it gets kind of spooky, i think. >> what is there at this point? you're talking about some of this reporting out there people leaving their physical bodies or experiencing physical death. at what point is like law enforcement watching this? because there are obviously, you know, some real concerns about this cult behavior here. >> also the fbi has been told about this in part because of the escalation of rhetoric in the last few day. the other spooky thing about this they're inherently anti-vaxers. they think the vaccine contains living organisms or something or nano technology or something like that. so they've been supplementing their diet for covid-19, which they do believe is real are hydrogen peroxide. they've been drinking hydrogen peroxide. that is not new in the anti-vax

circles but drinking it is certainly new. it's centered around one guy, the one guy has this sort of 24/7 service going on, like a religious service going on on telegram that people use like a cb radio almost. and these people are so fervent, a very small group of people. they're being rooted on from "q" people all throughout the world, but they're not going to leave dallas anytime soon. >> and let's be super crystal clear on this, ben, because they're sort of the "q" movement you and have talked about a lot for that what it is, political subgroup here. what we're talking about is like a subgroup inside the "q" movement. if "q" is already the fringe, these are like the fringes of the fringe. and this self-described prophet you're describing goes by negative 48, right? >> yes. so qanon believers generally think this is a way to discredit their movement as looking sillary or dangerous or weird. i hate to break it to them it is

silly, dangerous and weird, but this is silliest of all all of them. negative 48, the name, comes from a post from "q," qanon, he used to very freakerantly things were going to happen in 48 hours. nothing ever came true in those spaces, but that's where it came to. the movement generally doesn't like these people. they think they are ridiculous. a lot of these people don't believe in ghosts or reanimation all these sort of sci-fi parts of the movement. these people are way into it. they're waiting around for michael jackson to come back. it is entirely a way to never deal with loss and to never deal with the reality that is facing them. >> i would ask what happens next, but it sounds like we just don't know, right? if they're waiting for -- listen, you say like ghosts, energy fields, like something, you know, of jfk, jr. or michael jackson to appear. that's not going to happen.

are they just going to live there now, camping out in dallas? >> i would guess so or until they run out of money. these people are funneling cash to their prophet, the negative 48 guy who ran a demolition business in dallas, a regular business. now he's walking around with a literal tinfoil hat on in dallas trying to recruit. >> where's the money go? >> yes, it is funny. family members who got sucked into this they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars so far. they're going to run out of places to stay and live. >> i was asking where does the money go? is the money just going to this guy? >> you bet. there's nowhere to put it, and there's no way this stuff is going towards anything of any note, so i would just keep an eye on this guy generally. >> and we talk about the qanon movement.

we know there's a political nexus there to the far right. does this subgroup kind of follow that as it relates to the far right or it is more about the meta physical involvement? >> if there is some sort of, you know, nice thing to come out of this is these people are not inherently violent. they're not as violent as the rest of the qanon movement. generally they're not. they're not talking about killing people all the time which is what they're talking about. everybody in that movement believes that whether they believe jfk, jr. is coming back or not. >> ben collins, i'm glad you're able to bring this reporting here today on msnbc. next up, with the backing of dozens of states one attorney is taking facebook to court trying to stop sex traffickers from luring in young people on the platform. >> you seem to be arguing that facebook uses algorithms to actually connect older men, for

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here we are right ahead of the holiday season about to head into thanksgiving and it turns out that it seems kids it seems cases are spiking as we speak. weekly infection rates up 32% since the end of october. that's 142,000 reported covid cases in children. doctors fauci and lindski are pushing for parents to vaccinate their kids. they say if kids get vaccinated now, they'll be fully inoculated by the end of the holiday season. this poll shows three in ten parents will definitely not get their kid vaccinated if between the ages of 5 and 11. let me bring in dr. azar to talk through these new numbers. when you see this, put this into

context. this 32% spike in covid infections in kids. gut check us on how concerning that is for you or the context we should know about on that. >> sure. i have to say that the explanation still remains that we just have so much viral transmission in the country. there is nothing that makes children uniquely susceptible to this virus. doesn't appear to be more violent in kids or more contagious in children. the mere fact that we have a sizable portion of the adult population who has either received the vaccine or has been infected naturally so has some naturally immunity. you have a water balloon, if you poke a hole in it, the water's going to go there and the hole unfortunately here is in our unvaccinated kids and they are susceptible. the one thing i want to mention of course is that anyone who's out there, parents out there, if you're listening and you're

concerned, and i understand your concern. i'm a mom. i double and triple checked before i had my kids vaccinated, kids are not immune from this. we are seeing pediatric icus full. colleagues of mine are seeing kids with long covid. this is very, very real. a lot of kids just have sniffles, but a lot don't and i want to urge all parents out there to strongly reconsider their position. >> that said, we are now what, 48 hours away from thanksgiving dinner for a lot of people and if you are having dinner with people under the age of 17, any kids, only about a third of those kids 5 to 17 have at least one shot. real world here, real, practical world things. what are you supposed to do at thanksgiving dinner? can't tell people to wear a mask. what are the best practices to keep people safe and to minimize the risk moving forward? >> you know a lot of the recommendations are kind of what

we were seeing even a year ago. that is minimize the group. that means don't have a large gathering. don't have a lot of different households. if you are going to have households gathering, keep it to the same circle you've been around. you know, you really do need to know the vaccination status of your guests. if most of the adults are all eligible people are vaccinated, you can obviously feel more relaxed about the gathering. where we are -- >> does that include, sorry, does that include a booster? say adults are fully vaccinated but haven't been boostered yet. >> yeah, i mean, i think that for all of us who have been boosted, we feel like we have that second or third layer of armor, but i would still say fully vaccinated if we're talking about prevention of severe disease. you know, i think we worry about transmission from young kids to older adults and that can

happen, although not with the same frequency as the other way around. so what i've said to a lot of folks is don't worry so much about getting sick from your young one. if you're an older person, make sure you've been boosted so you don't get your grandchild sick. but listen, if you can be outside, be outside. if you're going to be inside, ventilate. keep the eating time to a minimum and tell your kids who aren't vaccinated that you guys should be masked up if you're indoors for a period of time. just the safest way to do it. >> thank you so much. now to a case in texas over -- after a partial victory in the texas state supreme court. now a houston-based attorney wants the u.s. supreme court to take up the case, arguing big tech should be held liable for what she sees as facilitation of sex trafficking of minors.

kate snow is here with that preview of her report later tonight on nbc news. so glad to have you and talk to you about this important story. >> thanks. yes. so let me start with annie mcadams. a personal injury attorney in houston. she used to help car accident victims, but years ago, she was approached to see if she would help victims of sex trafficking, young women. and she decided yes, i will because she told me, she saw patterns that they were often meeting the traffickers through social media platforms, specifically facebook. so on behalf of a jane doe, she filed a lawsuit against facebook arguing facebook isn't just hosting this kind of activity, but it's helping it happen. >> facebook knowingly benefits from this sex trafficking that is occurring on their site. they make money off of the connections. they push the connections to occur. >> now facebook's parent

company, meta, says human trafficking is abhorrent and not allowed on our platforms. we use technology to thwart this abuse. they said the company is on track to spend more than $5 billion this year alone on safety and security. in court filings, facebook argues the case should be thrown out entirely, that the company is shielded by section 230, the 1996 communications act. that has long been interpreted by courts to mean social media sites are not legally responsible for the content that users post, but on the other side, mcadams is now asking the u.s. supreme court to take this case and take a fresh look at section 230 and we just learned that meta is going to be tomorrow saying we don't want, they're going to file we don't want the u.s. supreme court to take this up. it's not necessary. >> it's a fascinating reporting. we look forward to seeing more of it tonight on "nbc nightly news." thank you so much.

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