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welcome to "meet the press daily," i'm chuck todd. here we are, anxiously awaiting the science on omicron. public concern waits for nobody and right now uncertainty is dominating the headlines. what the white house says and does to fill this vacuum of information is going to be critical in the next couple of weeks. they use this as an opportunity to reset their messaging on the pandemic, specifically vaccine mandates, or not. the white house's covid task force is holding its briefing on omicron right as we speak. they are echoing president biden's comments that the variant is a cause for concern, but not panic. it comes as the cdc has clarified and strengthened its recommendations for covid booster shots, basically saying unambiguously all adults should get boosted when they are at least six months removed from their last vaccine dose. so here's cdc director rochelle walensky just a few minutes ago. >> for the 45 million unvaccinated adults, now is the

time to get vaccinated. we also know that vaccination helps protect you, your loved ones and your community from covid-19, and we fully anticipate this protection at least in part will be beneficial against omicron. >> meanwhile, here is some of that uncertainty i was talking about. fed chair jerome powell was on capitol hill today testifying about a heavy dose of economic uncertainty facing the country with omicron. moderna's ceo talked to the financial times about vaccine uncertainty, predicting that there will be a, quote, material drop in vaccine effectiveness. the question is how much. nevertheless, medical experts agree that the best way to go ahead -- to get ahead of omicron right now or any of the variants is getting every person possible vaccinated and/or boosted which puts white house messaging in the spotlight. ron klain responded on twitter to nbc's first read, disputing the notion that the white house was losing the messaging war on the vaccine mandate. even though less than half the

country now supports a vaccine mandate, according to our most recent nbc news poll. mike memoli is in minnesota ahead of president biden's visit to talk infrastructure. also with us is washington state secretary of state dr. amir shaw and also with me is dr. zeke emmanuel from the university of pennsylvania and he's also advised president biden on covid both during the campaign and since in office. mike, i want to start in minnesota with you. what's interesting is there is a choice the white house could make. essentially all of their current problems that they're trying to deal with in this country, inflation, it's about covid. covid itself, it's obvious. the supply chain. we can go on and on. it is all through the prism of covid. are we going to see more of that front-facing messaging out of the white house now considering with omicron on the horizon?

>> reporter: i think, chuck. i think when you've heard from the president, from the white house officials since the emergence of the omicron variant just a few days ago, one of the real messages has been are you better off now than you were a year ago? it's been to try to say this is certainly a cause for concern but not a cause for panic, as the president himself said yesterday. they're pointing to all the ways in which they prepared for this moment, they have been closely tracking it. we're in a much different place as a country to be equipped to deal with whatever comes now than a year ago. the much better comparison is to what happened when the delta variant emerged just a few months ago. at that point there was a period of a few weeks where delta was a very real presence overseas, hadn't yet emerged in the u.s. but the white house was pushing forward with, we remember it well, the july 4th independence from the virus sort of ramp-up. the celebration that happened when they took their masks off. they were very eager to turn the

page and it sort of bit them in the end. now it's coming where they were already planning to address the winter surge that they were expecting of delta or whatever variant emerged. it also comes as they were already going to be mounting a more robust push for boosters, for vaccinating your children. in some ways there's an alignment of the white house imperative as omicron is emerging in a way that there wasn't a few months ago on what will be looked back on as some of the missteps of this administration. now they're very much willing to put their experts out front and have the president be seen as on top of that because they need to get back to that competency view as we head into a series of crises now. >> mike, the point of our lead in "first read" is about the fact the white house is not engaged in pushing back in what is a very robust anti-mandate messaging war that the right is engaging in. sitting governors are doing it

and all of this. it is why i think you have in our poll we had more people against the mandate than for it. now, i want to put up ron klain's pushback on twitter. he said, look, he takes issue with the idea that they're losing this war because he says, hey, we've got 70% of adults fully vaccinated. they say we have the fastest vax program in the world for kids and tens of millions vaccinated since the first vaccine requirement was announced by potus. we won the debate is the question he had ask. and i guess that's the question, though, mike, that it feels as if they always respond with stats and yet you look and you're like where's the progress and should they be fighting harder to defend their mandate, not just in court? >> reporter: well, court is certainly the first frontier of this and one where there's increasing concern about in the white house. but as much as ron klain goes to twitter and tweets himself, i'm reminded of what the biden campaign used to say which is that twitter is not real life.

there's a view that while on the right this is really one of the most animating issues and there is never really going to be an opportunity to sort of counter that messaging in its own space. they do think that just like they did in the campaign, that the quieter population, the larger, sort of more moderate middle population if you were is where this battle is being won. we're just paying more attention to the noisy right in this case. that's been a long-held belief of the biden administration on a number of fronts and continues to be the case here. >> mike memoli in minnesota for us, mike, thank you. let me bring in dr. shah and dr. emmanuel. zeke, you've been advising private companies and trying to convince hem to abide by the vaccine mandate, sort of adopt the guidelines that the administration is trying to push. do you think there needs to be a more robust public defense of these mandates?

>> well, i think it is the case, you heard rochelle walensky state the very good case, which is you want to protect yourself, you want to protect your family, you want to protect the community and minimize their risks of hospitalization and death? vaccines are the way to go. and none of us -- you know, we don't know about omicron. we don't know where it's going to go. is it going to transmit faster and be really mild, which is a good thing, or is it going to transmit faster and be worse and more virulent, which would obviously be a bad thing. in any of those scenarios, you want to be fully vaccinated confronting it. and it seems to me that is the right message. and we should push hard on it. and the president should lean into it. we have effective vaccines. it looks like we have an effective oral pill. and those things are very different, as stated, from january 2020. what we have to do is convince

the unvaccinated. that's the key group. we need to do everything we can, like as i've been pushing domestic travel vaccine mandates. you want to get on a plane from new york to san francisco? you've got to be vaccinated and that will get a number of people vaccinated. we've seen these mandates be incredibly effective. almost every company that's put one in has gone over 90%, 95% of the group vaccinated and that is really, really positive. >> mandates are good for the economy. you know, there's a lot of positive sort of political cases you could make if you had to do that, if you wanted to do that. there. shah, let me ask you this. you've got -- look, we can talk about your state geographically. eastern washington has a much lower vaccination rate than obviously what we've seen in the seattle area and in the western part of the state. what messaging have you seen that's been effective?

and do you think the mandates do help or there's an argument where the governor of mississippi said the mandates made people dig their heels in even more? >> well, chuck, first of all, thanks for having me. it's great to see you again. i will say that it is a double-edged sword here. on the one hand mandates do work. as you just heard, not just private companies but even in the state of washington we have put requirements in place for most state workers, health care workers, k through 12 school staff, an mandates have worked. you've had over 90%, 95% of people being able to comply with that. the sky was falling, that everybody said you're going to have disruption of services or people are going to leave in droves from the field and that just does not happen. that's been across the country.

but i think the key message is that we've also -- we're losing a culture war, and that is a real concern for all of us in public health. and what that means is while we are putting these policies in place, doing everything we can to protect people, on the other hand we have very much people that are digging in because of those very policies, so that's where we have to get to the heart of the communities and be where people are and trusted messengers on the ground. so we're doing it at a community level and that's where it really begins and that's where it's going to need to be fought here. >> dr. shah, the real fear on the fight against mandates, have you seen any setbacks in suddenly parents not wanting their kids to get other vaccines? >> so we've had some decreases, not necessarily for that reason,

it's really been mostly around people who are delaying care. parents who have just not taken their kids in to see a doctor or into the health care system. so you are seeing that. we haven't seen as much because of, quote, unquote, a requirement but we are seeing parents and adults in general have not gone into the health care system. you've seen a lot of delay of care. one of the reason we saw surges in our state or across the country was that people who were now delaying care going back into the health care system on top of that coupling with you had the delta surge. so together you're seeing that, but i don't think it's the requirements that are at play, it's really the delay in care and the inaccessibility of the health care system. >> zeke, do you think the resistance of having the president be out there more forcefully on the mandate, because it is divisive and it runs counter to his other goal,

which is to try to lower the temperature, get the country become together? in some cases a vaccine mandate, it's hard to do both things at the same time if you're going to push a mandate. >> chuck, i am not a communications expert for the president. >> i know. >> but i do think we've got to disengage the vaccines from the culture war as dr. shah says. the vaccines are about science, they're about protecting your family. and i do agree with the point you made, which is we want to get this economy moving. we want to get services going, people traveling, staying in hotels, eating in restaurants, going to the theater, going to concerts. we really have to get covid sort of behind us and minimize. it's not minimized now. the best way to get it minimized for the surface economy to blossom again is going to be vaccinations. and i think that's a message the

president can take. i am interested in the economy. and everyone knows the best way to get the economy moving is to get people vaccinated and to minimize the threat of covid. and that is a message that i think can be unifying. >> dr. shah, i want to talk about surveilling for omicron. washington state is always going to be known as the first place at least at the beginning of this where we found the virus the first time. how would you say your surveillance system is? i know you guys feel like you have a pretty good one, but how comfortable are you with the country's ability to surveil for omicron these days? >> well, let me first say that we are very confident in our surveillance system in the state of washington. about a year back our state epidemiologist made it very clear that, hey, look, we've got to look at the future of what mutations are going to mean for a state like ours and so we

invested in the genotyping and we're one of the top states in terms of the percentage of samples that are geno typed. so there's a lot of work happening with partners on the ground and that includes surveillance efforts related to omicron, so i think there's a lot there. but i will say your broader question is a good one. look, south africa, botswana, these countries, these global colleagues did a service to humankind by finding this variant, right? absolutely. and yet we have to be asking the question if that were in the united states, how quickly would we have found it? the answer is that it's a patchwork across the country. that is something we need to see more of is more investment in these genotyping and geno surveillance systems and think about vaccine diplomacy. really the very countries who come forth with information, we

cannot slap them with economic restrictions that really make it very difficult then for the next time a country to come forward and say, hey, we've got a problem here. that's something we've got to be thinking about as a global public health community and beyond. >> zeke, i think you've been talking about this issue that the cdc's ability to surveil is not as good as it should be or could be. how's it looking these days? >> it's looking better than a year ago, but it's still not up to snuff. we should be surveilling at least 20 and maybe 30 or 40% of all positive cases and doing genetic surveillance on that. as dr. shah said, not in a patchwork of large cities with good academic centers, but across the country. and we should not just be testing those seriously ill that come to the hospital, but all the tests, whether they're

at-home tests or a pcr test are in fact being linked up to a database so we know in realtime what the actual cases are in the country. and i think we don't have that. and by the way, those at-home tests, we need to be sure that they get omicron and also that they're cheap. having them at $12.50 a test is not a way to get people to regularly test and quarantine if they test positive. >> dr. shah and dr. emanual, you both provided important points and items that hopefully our covid task force folks are focusing on. thank you both. thank you for getting me started. up next, what do we really know about how effective the covid vaccines will be on the omicron variant? a top vaccine expert joins me next. and later developments in the january 6 investigation with new cooperation from the former president's chief of staff.

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welcome back. experts have been saying it's going to take a few weeks and maybe even more than that until we know exactly how well our current covid vaccines will hold up against this new omicron variant. as we said at the top of the show, moderna's ceo certainly didn't calm anyone's nerves telling the financial times, quote, there is no world, i think, where the vaccine effectively is the same level. i think it's going to be a material drop. i just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. but all the scientists i've talked to are like this is not going to be good. let's get right to our go-to guy when it comes to vaccines, dr. peter hotez, the director of the center for vaccine department at texas children's hospital and one of the foremost experts on vaccine effectiveness. dr. hotez, do you have the same sort of grim outlook that

moderna's ceo shared this morning? >> you know, the ceos of the companies for the last two years, when they make these statements, we always have to remember they are not meant for you, they're not meant for me, they're meant for their shareholders to jack up the stock prices. that's their job, and unfortunately they do it. without the context of how this will resonate. chuck, i don't know the answer, but here's how i think there's one possible scenario this could play out if i could have a minute. the first part is when you look at the sequence of the omicron variant, in terms of its transmissibility it looks an awful lot like the alpha variant that the delta variant first displaced. so alpha came out of england at the end of last year and that was the first big wave across the u.s. in the beginning before it was outcompeted by delta. so it has a lot of features that look like the alpha variant. and that means that i think delta is still going to be around in the u.s. i don't see omicron totally

outcompeting delta. i think -- if you're not vaccinated, i think the biggest threat is the delta variant by far. that's going to continue. but the reason why omicron could gain some foot hold, we have a lot of partially immunized people. if you've been infected and recovered but not gotten vaccinated on top of that, i think you're going to be very susceptible to omicron reinfection. we've seen a fair number of reinfections in south africa. so that's going to be the role of omicron, i think, causing reinfection in people who have been infected and recovered but not vaccinated or maybe among the partially vaccinated, meaning they got one dose but didn't complete the series. the big unknown is what happens to those of us who got three doses. i don't have the answer. we're working on it in our lab, as i'm sure moderna and pfizer

is. i think it may not be so terrible. i think we'll see a drop in protection, but i'm more optimistic than the moderna ceo, at least in his statement, that we may not need that specific designed booster for the omicron. but the bottom line is i see both omicron and delta circulating in the u.s. by next year with those who have been infected but not vaccinated getting potentially reinfected with omicron. >> so it sounds like what you're saying is that we could have sort of two viruses running rampant simultaneously and there's just two different populations that become vulnerable. >> exactly, exactly. that's one scenario that i could envision. i haven't discussed it in depth with colleagues and everyone should know this is nothing more than peter hotez' opinion and nothing beyond that but i think that's one possible scenario. >> what gives you the confidence -- it sounds like you have some confidence that this -- the vaccines are going to be pretty helpful here.

what about omicron gives you that confidence? what part of it? because there's all these mutations which is obviously freaking out -- this is a more mutated virus than i guess was expected this early, correct? >> well, what we've seen is when you get really very, very high levels of virus neutralizing antibody, when we looked at it against the beta variant that came out of south africa last year, or the lambda which had some of the same mutations as omicron, yes, you got a decrease in virus neutralizing antibody with it but if you had enough to begin with, it seemed to hold you over. there was spillover, i think that's the term dr. fauci used, spillover antibody to cross-protect and that may still be the case even though there are additional variants. and the experiments we need to do to confirm that are not that complicated, so we're doing it in our lab now at texas children's hospital and baylor

college of medicine as i'm sure moderna and pfizer is. you take serum from an experimental animal or serum from patients who have been vaccinated and you first confirm that it's neutralizing the original variant, which you'd expect, and then you look at the decline in virus neutralizing antibodies against the omicron variant as well as some of the others. undoubtedly the moderna ceo is right, there will be a decline. i still have optimism that it may hold up sufficiently to cause significant protection, but it's all moot. we'll know this in a week or so and those are going to be important studies. >> i was just going to say this is a knowable answer before the end of next week? >> possibly. and again, this is not the same as looking at actual vaccine effectiveness studies in the field. it's still a laboratory-based observation. but it gives us a trend and a hint of what we're dealing with.

so i think with all of this we're going to be learning so much more over the next week and a half in terms of transmissability, in terms of severity of illness and vaccine protection, so right now there's a lot of speculation going on. so the speculation that i'm speaking with you about is maybe about as valid as anybody else's is but we'll see how it plays out. but i don't see -- i don't see the apocalypse coming. i think we're going -- i think we're going to be okay as a nation if we can get everybody vaccinated and this gets to the final point. you know, what we do, whether there's omicron or delta really doesn't change what everybody needs to do, which is to get your third immunization if you haven't, because you need to do that. if you're infected and recovered, you still need to get vaccinated to both protect yourself against reinfection either from delta or omicron and get your kids vaccinated and that's the bottom line. that's why we're failing as a country because we've only done

this with about half the population. >> given what we're seeing here, the variants, the not enough vaccinated population, is the booster shot i got a week ago today something that's going to be an annual event for many of us? >> i don't think so. what i've been saying is it's not one and done and two and done, but it could be three and done. the reason is because that third immunization is what gives you the 30 to 40 fold rise in antibodies and gives you more durable protection. we don't know that for certain because it is a new technology but the precedent we have to go on is what we do with our little kids. we give them a series of primary immunizations and we wait. we wait six months to a year and boost. oftentimes you don't have to boost for another five years or ten years or sometimes never again. will the mrna vaccines operate by the same playbook? we don't know. but i think that's a possible

scenario. >> dr. peter hotez, really appreciate you coming on and basically being as transparent with your scientific knowledge of what's available and the full reminder, many of us, you're hypothesizing, that's what you do, an we'll get hopefully some answers next week. we look forward to hearing your analysis of that as well. >> thank you, chuck. still ahead, a major market reaction as the treasury secretary and the chairman of the federal reserve testify today on capitol hill. what they said about inflation and omicron that prompted a drop in the dow. you're watching "meet the press daily." u're watchin"meet the pr daily.

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welcome back. you're looking live at the dow which fell over 600 points this morning after the chairman of the federal reserve, jerome powell, testified on capitol hill that inflation would likely get worse, setting up the fed to potentially raise interest rates sooner than expected and to pull back a bit faster on the buying of assets. powell was joined by the treasury secretary, janet yellen, who testified about the state of the economy and the importance of raising the debt limit. her testimony comes as congress' deadline to raise the debt limits approaches maybe mid-december, maybe farther, but there's still only a few legislative days left in the session before december 15th, the earliest that the u.s. could begin defaulting on its debt. yellen delivered a dire warning on what could happen if congress fails to act. >> i cannot overstate how

critical it is that congress address this issue. america must pay its bills on time and in full. if we do not, we will eviscerate our current recovery. in a matter of days, the majority of americans would suffer financial pain as critical payments like social security checks and military paychecks would not reach their bank accounts and that would likely be followed by a deep recession. >> aren't all members of congress, come on, aren't you embarrassed by the silliness of this debt limit thing, this shenanigan. just shame on all of you, shame. come on. particularly republicans, you're playing games this time. i know democrats play games but enough of this. this is stupid. enough of it. meanwhile powell also testified on the state of pandemic-related supply chain issues and inflation warning that the new omicron variant could push back the recovery. >> the recent rise in covid-19

cases and the emergence of the omicron variant pose downside risks to the employment and economic activity and increased uncertainty for inflation. greater concerns about the virus could reduce people's willingness to work in person, which would slow progress in the labor market and intensify supply chain disruptions. >> we're going to have a look at how inflation and supply chain issues are impacting food insecurity and food banks later this hour. still ahead, we now know former trump chief of staff mark meadows is cooperating at least somewhat with the january 6 committee. what that could mean for the investigation and how much is he cooperating? you're watching "meet the press daily." we'll tell you after the break. daily. we'll tell you after the break

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remind your parents to pack an emergency supply kit. making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. welcome back. we're following some of the breaking news out of capitol hill where former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows appears ready to cooperate with the committee investigating january 6. according to committee chair

bennie thompson, he has produced documents and will appear for a deposition. this comes after the committee might recommend meadows face a contempt of congress charge for failing to cooperate with investigators. it also comes as a federal appeals court hears argument on whether the committee can obtain records from the national archives. donald trump has blocked that citing executive privilege. whether he has that privilege to give is an open question. joined now by leigh ann caldwell and pete williams. leigh ann's let me start with the most recent news and that is the mark meadows' decision. it was interesting to me that they kept dragging the -- meadows was the one that seemed to hint that he wanted to find a way to cooperate. maybe that he's a former member of congress. maybe that's what it was. apparently they have got something. are we still going to run into a fight over executive privilege at some point with him? >> we could, chuck.

the fact that the committee has dragging its feet for so long saying that soon they were going to perhaps move forward with these contempt charges but not actually doing it led me to believe that perhaps some negotiations and conversations had been under way with mark meadows. i've been covering mark madows for a very long time, since he was a freshman member of congress, and i'm actually not surprised that he has decided to give some sort of cooperation with the committee. he does not like to be on the wrong side of the law, does not like to be on the wrong side of anything really. and so the fact that he has decided to at least engage with the committee is a sign that he doesn't perhaps want to go through the same path that is happening to steve bannon and that could happen with jeffrey clark, a former trump administration department of justice official which the committee is supposed to vote on criminal contempt referral charges tomorrow night. so, you know, in mark meadows'

statement responding to the fact that he's now cooperating, he says that he's trying to work with the committee to find some sort of path so that he does not have to violate his executive privilege in working with the former president. so this is just the beginning. he has staved off any legal action for now, but we'll see where it goes. >> pete williams, there was an argument today, d.c. three-judge panel, circuit court of appeals in d.c. it seems as if the courts are desperately trying not to get involved. are they going to be able to avoid, though, having to? >> well, they are involved. the question is are this egoing to be involved in deciding whether the committee gets the documents or not. i think the answer to that is probably no. this was an argument scheduled for an hour. it went three and a half hours and shows you how seriously the three-judge panel took it. i think two questions they had. number one, does president trump even have the authority to sue at all over president biden's decision to waive executive privilege.

it could be one of the judges said all he can sue over is if the archivist doesn't follow all the rules in the presidential records act and give the former president a chance to object. of course that's already happened. but at least one of the judges said that's one possible reading, all he can do. assuming that he can come into court and say the former president's view should prevail, the current president is wrong, the court seemed really to struggle with that and was quite skeptical of the arguments by trump's former lawyers. judge patricia molette said suppose there is some foreign policy crisis, like overflights over a foreign country and the foreign country in the past gave us overflight rights and then denied it in public and said we violated their sanctity. could the current president say i want to release the document from the former administration about this, i want to make it public, but what if the former president objects?

several members of the court said in what other area does a former president get to override the wishes of the current president on some foreign policy crisis? so for those and a number of other hypotheticals, i think it's pretty clear that this three-judge panel is going to say president trump can't block these documents and then his lawyers were asking for the end of the argument how soon can we get to the supreme court. >> well, i was just going to say do we go straight to supreme court or does the full d.c. circuit have to engage first, pete? >> well, that's the decision of whatever loses here. they have the option of going to the full d.c. circuit. and i don't know. i mean if their goal is to stretch this thing out as long as possible and delay, delay, then they might want to do that and then reserve the right to go to the supreme court. if they want to get it resolved quickly, they would go to the supreme court. a lot is riding on this because of the executive privilege claims made by a number of the witnesses. this is all about documents. but it's the same kind of privilege that's been asserted

by the witnesses as well. >> leigh ann, is there any chance that mr. clark cuts a deal with this committee before tomorrow night? are they in active communication or is this inevitable -- does it look like we're on an inevitable contempt charge. >> there's always a chance but it looks like it's on that inevitable path. jeffrey clark appeared before the committee several weeks ago, but in that appearance he cooperated zero. and so he has publicly presented himself, but he hasn't given them anything that they want. and so it looks like that's the path. of course anything can change. you know, this is a question for pete, that actually our team was talking about. what sort of legal ramifications does he have for his bar license should it go down this path. we didn't know if that was going to be something that would discourage him from doing that. but it seems like the vote will take place tomorrow night in the house and it will go -- or in the committee and then it will go to the full house, chuck. >> pete williams, leigh ann

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we understand that high inflation imposes significant burdens, especially on those less able to meet the higher cost of essentials like food, housing and transportation. we are committed to our price stability goal. we will use our tools both to support the economy in a strong labor market and to prevent higher inflation from becoming entrenched. >> welcome back. that was the fed chair jerome powell this morning testifying this -- before the senate about the impact high inflation is having on americans. many americans are feeling the

impact. at the supermarket, prices continue to go up on some items and others just remain unavailable. the still remains high as we enter the holiday season, and as people can't afford to feed their family, they turn to food banks. one in five of americans turned to the charitable food industry in the last year. claire, i want to start with, look, inflation hits everybody. it's suddenly hitting people who thought maybe they had enough money to make ends meet. now they don't think they do. and, oh, by the way, this is now costing charities like yourself more money to service this. just walk me through how difficult this situation is right now. >> well, first, let me thank you for having me here. i think one of my biggest concerns about where we are right now is that those lines

that people saw early on in the pandemic, they're going inside buildings, and i think with that people may think it's going away. there are still tens of millions of people who still need help for basic things like food. thank you for having me here to set the stage for what we're seeing. first let me start with, ordinarily before the pandemic, we could reasonably rely upon retailers and manufacturers as primary sources of food that we then would provide that food to people in need. unfortunately, as a result of the pandemic and all of the issues with systems, et cetera, if those retailers don't have food on their shelves, that means they don't have food to donate. if the manufacturers don't have food to put on the shelves, it means they don't have it to donate. we have had to increase our purchases by 58% in the middle of a pandemic that has brought along with it significantly higher grocery prices, so it's

quite a big challenge for the people that rework with in this network who are desperately trying to help people right now. >> so does money continue to be the best way to help? are there hard-to-find items that you actually need donated? look, i support two different food banks in two communities that i'm close with, and one only wants money, discourages physical donations. the other, there are certain things that they need constantly and they encourage it. where do you land on this? >> the first thing i always encourage people to do is go to feedingamerica.org, type in the zip code for the community that you most want to help, and there is a food bank that's serving that community that's a part of our network. one example of what they might need would be the capital area food bank which serves d.c. and surrounding areas. they've seen a significant increase in transportation costs, as much as 50% increase

in transportation costs. as a result, that means they definitely need an increase in funding. in addition to that, they've also seen an increase in how much it costs to get protein and canned fruit and canned vegetables. so they might also need donated goods. my encouragement is go to feedingamerica.org. if you're in need of help, by the way, you should also come to feeding america. we're here to help you when you need us. if you go and reach out to your food bank that's serving the community that you care most about, they can tell you what it is they need, but generally we say we need food, we need friends and we need funds. so we need all three and we're really excited that we get a chance to talk about that on giving tuesday, which is a day that specifically is carved out for neighbors to help neighbors. this is a powerful way that your audience can do that. >> you know, there are people

-- we talk about how to give, but i would like to take a second. i think there are people who need help but they don't know how to do it. maybe they're embarrassed. what do you suggest? >> you're absolutely right. one of the biggest barriers to people receiving support is there is so much negative stigma attached to being food insecure. i refer to it as some odd concept of earned hunger. it stops people from getting access to the food that they need. and we're here to be helpful. if they turn to feeding america, we will be helpful. go to feedingamerica.org if you're a person in need of help. type in the zip code that you live in. there is a food bank that's in that community that's there to help you. reach out, call them up, make sure you tell them what it is you need and they'll find ways to help you. at the same time we're working on how do we get food to people in ways that are more affirming to them?

so people have the ability with some of our members to actually go online to order the food that they need just like i would be able to do, and then get access to the food that they need. >> ceo of feeding america, appreciate you coming on, walking through how to get the food you need. the two food banks i encourage in arlington, it is the arlington food bank, and in pensacola we support manna. those are the two i would encourage if you're in those two areas. thanks for being here at this hour. we're back tomorrow with "meet the press daily." msnbc continues right now with katy tur. there is new evidence despite trying to slow the omicron variant, it is likely too late. dutch authorities show that samples of the variant were in the