kids are being buried and you have a government agency, law enforcement agency, tweeting something insensitive about both the holiday and guns. i don't understand it, mehdi. >> they seem obsessed with having an armed santa now which doesn't make sense to me. if an armed santa came down the chimney, wouldn't they say we have a right to shoot him in self defense? the angle is mad, whatever you look at, and let me be clear i do not want to shoot santa and do not want an armed santa. >> enjoy the rest of your evening, take care. welcome, so many questions still unanswered about the omicron variant. what's the answer with public health messaging, my sunday night panel here to discuss that. plus, what do democrats have on their mind heading into the

2022 elections, i'll talk to congresswoman susan mild about her concerns over the supply chain disruption and rising inflation. and just days after the capitol riot i learned of a woman who was from my hometown, how she became the foot soldier in one of the most dangerous movements in america. let's get started. all right. so if you have been following the news at all this week, you've likely seen a lot of headlines like these, alarming updates about the spread of the omicron variant of covid-19, in new york, d.c. area, georgia, headlines and breaking news alerts flying so fast at you it's enough to make you scared. now listen, some scientists

think omicron may become the dominant strain of covid-19, so if a case of omicron hasn't been announced in your area yet, it's probably just a matter of time before it does. now i'm not trying to make light of the situation, it's just the truth. that's why i need everyone watching this program tonight to do two things for me, take a deep breath, pump the breaks a little bit. even with all the scare mongering of omicron, the basic measures remain the same, wear a machk, especially indoors, avoid crowded areas, and get a booster. we'll get to everything you need to know about the omicron variant with dr. gupta in just a second but there is another area i want to explore tonight. how do we make sense of all the news about this variant without being alarmest or worse, complacent. for a case study how not to handle the situation, look at

how health experts handled the early days of the pandemic in 2020, particularly around the area of masking. you got an antivaccine friend, which i'm sure some of you do, you have likely heard from them over the past two years, you know, from dr. fauci now talking about masks and how they once said we didn't need to be wearing masks. now, at the time, there were concerns about ppe shortages there not being enough ppe for first responders but that's not what they said at first. in 2020, fauci said masks not really effective and surgeon general at that time said masks could increase the risk of catching covid. the guidance has sin been updated and evolved as we come to understand masks are an effective tool to limit the spread of the virus. but it would have been better to be upfront about the need to make sure first responders had enough masks first.

now listen, i'm not trying to beat a dead horse here about masking or rag on dr. fauci anymore than he regularly gets from critics and certainly those on the right but that lack of kander early on created a bit of doubt and confusion and that leaves room for the bad faith actors, many of them in the republican party, on the right, to put out counter messaging that is actively harmful in our fight against this pandemic. now here's something to keep in mind. the antivaxxeres and covid deniers don't have to be right to convince people. they can say whatever they want about this virus or any other virus. it doesn't have to be true so long as the people listening to them buy it and they are. public health officials don't have that luxury. their currency is based on trust. at the end of the day, they have to get this right. they have to strike the right balance to win over the american public. joining me now is hayes brown, n

of msnbc daily editor and columnar, global health policy expert gupta, and crystal watson, expert from johns hopkins center for medical securities and health science, this is an important conversation to have. i like to have it every couple months when we have the chance because i think it's relevant when we have new details about new variants and pandemics so let me start with you, dr. gupta, before we go further about the messaging, give us and our viewers the very latest on the omicron variant in terms of how contagious it is, are vaccines still effective, is it more deadly? what do we know? >> hey ayman, great evening, great to be on the panel with hayes and dr. watson. i'll say, for all your viewers out there, the headlines are

okay. this is not surprising, rather. so far what we're seeing is no epidemic of young, healthy people, some ended up in the hospital, in south africa, requiring hospitalization level care outside of the icu. what we do see in south africa is exponential growth of this variant across provinces like goutang and others meaning it is a contagious virus. it's spreading, there's community transmission and that's something to keep in mind, especially if you're an unvaccinated individual. more of this virus is likely to build up in your nose and lungs and end up sicker and in the hospital, but for everybody else here, and we'll talk about messaging in a second, it seems reassuring that the vaccines are holding up. >> good to know, i appreciate you setting that record for us straight. dr. watson, be first, be right, be credible, that's the goal or

what they teach you in crisis communication and see this certainly was a global crisis. i don't think any country particularly in the world handled it correctly but let's focus on the united states for a moment. from your perspective and area of expertise as a messaging expert, how are officials handling this chapter of the pandemic, the omicron variant, how did they learn from mistakes earlier in the pandemic because i've been one of those people who has been a little critical of highlighting every time we see omicron pop up in a state, the flash alerts, news headlines pop up on your phones, one case detected in connecticut, we have been saying it could be a dominant variant. why the alarmist messaging that it's popping up all over our country when we know it's most likely going to be everywhere? >> yeah, thanks for that question. i think because we're in the phase where there's so much we still don't know about this variant and there are some

concerning traits here. there are also some good signs as dr. gupta just highlighted but i think it's important for us to be very vigilant about it, and that's why public health and the public health care system are looking out for every case we can and that's, i'm sure, why it's also in the news, because we're being hyper vigilant. i think there's a lot of good messaging out there now for what people can do to keep themselves safe which you highlighted at the beginning of the segment. we also need to tell them why we think these steps are going to keep them safe, so i think there's good messaging, there's also a lot of talk about this and people shouldn't panic at this point, but it is important to watch this variant and see how it evolved and that will inform our public health steps next. >> hayes, speaking of the media here, how much fall does the media deserve for some of the conversation about omicron throughout the pandemic, you know, is the media industry

unfortunately incentivized to hype up these variants, to create a sense of an alarm when we, as i mentioned, see it popping up on our phones and the headlines that omicron detected in this state or this neighborhood or this community? >> on the one hand, we have a jobs journalist who put that information out there. they want to know if there are variants popping up in their area, so i don't blame news outlets for putting this up that we have cases here, here, and here, information the people do want to know. especially since there's not much we know and what we do know is concerning, it's a variant that spreads quickly than before, on the push side, what you're saying, i agree. we could go too hard. we could push it too far out there too quickly when there's a lot we don't know. i feel there should be way more hedging in our business when it comes to variants, when it comes

to the pandemic in general. i feel there's a lack of willingness sometimes to say we don't know because people don't like to hear that and i understand that fact. people want facts from their leaders, from their news organizations, they want concrete things that are tangible, like things, ideas they can connect to, not to hear "we don't know" even though in this case it really is the case and i think news outlets and other media companies should lean out to and push that we don't know a lot about the omicron variant yet. >> yes, certainly health experts and officials are doing a better job saying we're going to need two to three weeks for clarity on some of the critical questions. dr. gupta i want to bring you to this part of the conversation about messaging and indulge me for a moment because i want to play a little devil's advocate, listen to this clip from francis collins director of national institute of health responding to a question if there should be more restrictions on domestic

travel. watch. >> if you tried to impose those kinds of restrictions on domestic air travel, that would be extremely honorous for people trying to get around the country like on holidays, and i don't know how much we mean by it, if you're trying a protect a community from delta, well delta is all over the place right now. it's not that you're going to see it spread from air travel that's not already happening in communities, so i think we got it about right -- >> so tell me your thoughts on this and this is what i mean by devil's advocate. i travel overseas for work and pleasure, and certainly have been more frequently. when i get out of the united states, i have to get a pcr test before i fly into the u.s. somebody watching that right now, explaining that it's too honorous domestically, what would you say about having to

travel into the united states but wouldn't need it to connect new york to somewhere else -- >> you're right, it makes no sense, that a traveller overseas is at greater risk of transmitting a concerning variant than a traveller within the continental united states. it doesn't make sense, and i disagree, as much as i respect dr. collins, that's confusing messaging. we should be mandating before you board a flight, and the same policy should apply, i would say more broadly, for all your viewers out there it's important to get this out there. in two weeks time, i'm sure moderna, pfizer, other companies are going to come out saying vaccine effectiveness declined to x percentage at preventing a positive test. and that's going to cause fear and alarm and it is contingent

for everybody to be that there is no vaccine that exists in this world, prior to covid, through this pandemic, that will prevent a positive test and symptoms, for flu, for covid-19, i say this as a lung doc. these vaccines, moving forward, the success they should be measured against is to keep you away from the hospital and without severe ammonia, any other measurement, will never attain success at scale across the world. we're chasing our tail. that is the measure of success, and we have not been able to message on that definition because we haven't been messaging on the nuance of what the immune system does. so much on antibodies, not on t-cells that prevent severe infection. all those measures are still resilient in someone vaccinated which is why we're seeing most people touting omicron as not a big deal, but i urge caution

when those headlines come out. >> i agree, and if you measure up, the true facts we are successful right now, hospitalizations are down, and that trend will continue if we maintain vaccines and wearing masks. acknowledging the difficulties of getting everybody on the same page, take a listen to this. >> my plan i'm announcing today pulls no punches in the fight against covid-19 and it's a plan that i think should unite us. i know covid-19 has become divisive in this country, a very political issue, which is a sad, sad commentary. it shouldn't be. but it has been. >> how are public health agencies adapting to the realities that the president and others have noted, of our political situation, when developing messaging, is there anymore that could be done? because i look at, you know,

right wing media, i track it, i watch it. they're saying president biden promised to end covid. he has failed to end covid so they're just focusing on the fact that covid still exists during the era of biden, completely politicizing the realities of how we deal with this pandemic. >> yeah, look, this is a really hard thing to do at this point and i think people are pretty entrenched. i think the best bet we can do right now is try to address people's concerns and fears. sometimes that has to happen at a retail level, person to person. and it's still hard sell sometimes but i think one thing we have to emphasize, although i agree with everything dr. gupta said, i do worry about the healthcare system. if we have a big surge of patients, because this variant appears to be more transmissible, that could still overwhelm the healthcare system so i think some of the messaging we need to put out there right

now is we need to take these precautions, mask up, avoid these crowded indoor areas that are not well ventilated, and vaccinate. vaccination won't get us all the way there. it will protect individuals from severe illness and death but we also need to protect our communities and make sure that we keep a very, already overwhelmed and depleted healthcare system out of hot water this winter. >> yeah, and hayes, to that point, politicians trying to sees on the coronavirus for their own gains. we can't talk about biden and covid, at this moment, veterans day remarks, take a look at this. >> we declared independence from a doesn't gain, today, closer than ever from declaring independence from a deadly virus. that's not to say the battle against covid-19 is over. we've got a lot more work to do.

back then, we had the power of an idea on our side. today, we have the power of science. >> and again, you know, the president gets hammered for those remarks from right wing media because they usually don't play them in the full context of what we just did there saying we have a lot more work to do, but why do you think politicians want to try to claim the victory over a pandemic that we know is going to be with us for such a long time? >> it's part of the metaphor we use way too often talking about the pandemic, which is this is a fight, this is a battle, it's a war, and wars have to be won decisively with unconditional surrender, that's how it is in america and going to dr. gupta's point, that's part of the problem, the idea that there is perfect security. not just covid, you see this throughout the american political system, in immigration, in terms of, you know, counter terrorism, this idea that americans want to be

100% safe from anything that could harm them and that just doesn't exist. there are problems that are in this world that cannot be 100% eradicated and that i think is hard to message the american people that doesn't sound defeatist, that doesn't sound as if you're trying to suppress people, so trying to walk that fine line between the rhetoric on july 4th and the reality that viruses are going to be around a while, that variants will spread, we don't know when we'll be able to say, everybody can just burn your mask, we don't care anymore. not knowing is hard for people and i really sympathize with the people out there really struggling with all the uncertainty out there because the best i can offer them is yeah, we are upset too, we know things are uncertain but trying to get the best information out there to you possible. >> really quickly dr. gupta, few seconds left. should we start messaging, we need to learn how to live with covid instead of trying to

defeat covid? >> absolutely. this emergence of more variants that are contagious, the vaccines hopefully protecting against it, and i'll also say, we really need the cdc yesterday to update the definition of what fully vaccinated is to three doses, this initial series being three doses if we want everybody to get it because it's really confusing to say fully vaccinated with two, but by the way, get that third shot. >> dr. crystal watson, hayes, dr. gupta, fascinating conversation, thank you for joining us. pressure is on for congress to address the economic issues ahead of the midterm election, i talk with congresswoman susan wile when we come back. twitter's new ceo and how he's already making waves first week on the job. first richard louie with the headlines. donald trump's new social media company said it entered

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inflation and the supply chain. joining me now, one of the leaders behind that letter, pennsylvania democrat, susan wild. thank you for joining us this evening. according to the political poll, 90 percent of americans say they are concerned with the economy. 87% say they are concerned with inflation. why do you think you and your colleagues have to write a letter to leadership for this issue to get noticed? >> because, thank you, first of all, ayman. i just want to make sure that we stay focused on economic issue that is are so incredibly important to every american, whether they are facing rising prices in the grocery store or the gas pump. the fact of the matter is unemployment has plummeted. our employers we were so worried about having the work force egg a couple of months ago are now not reporting as many jobs open

because they have filled those positions and we know that americans are spending freely. so i want to make sure that we keep economic issues at the top of the priority list for our leadership, but at the same time, i think that the rumors of this economic demise are greatly exaggerated. i think we're in really great shape going into 2022. >> let me read you a bit more of that interview with the democratic pollster, he says the number one issue for women now is the economy, the number one issue for black voters is the economy, and for latino voters, the economy. is he right with the analysis? is the economy what cuts through the issue of all these lines that make up a strong part of the democratic base? >> absolutely. and let me just say this. you know, we passed the build back better act out of the

house, i know you're aware of that and hope your viewers are too. many of those voters that you just referenced in that prior quote are very much affected by passage of the build back better act if it gets out of the senate successfully. childcare issues are critically important to that segment of the situation. those people do need to get back to work. quite honestly, many of the things in the build back better act are going to make a huge difference to people who have not felt well-served by our economy. but right now, what we are, and by the way, it will also put a lot more money in people's pockets. remember, build back better act, it has transformational policies that will help people with not only childcare, but universal pre-k. it will help people with child, to extending the child tax credit which has been putting money into peoples' pockets every single month for the last

year. we can't let that expire. the earned income tax credit. these are all things, you know, when i said before that americans are spending at a very aggressive rate, we need to keep that happening right now, quite honestly. we're actually in good shape, but we have to get that build back better act passed through the senate. >> you talk about the state of the economy and how it's doing well and certainly the white house would agree with you and certainly need to be tweaks to it no doubt as you mentioned, addressing inflation, but there are, in the eyes of some, existential threats to democracy, criminal justice reform, you know, improving a lot of the social issues in this country when you have a supreme court that could be potentially overturning roe v wade and affecting 125 million women. those are not economic issues but certainly, by some assessment, matters of life and

death both toward democracy and time in this country. should those also not be a priority. we just talking about messaging here or also talking about these things have to get done? because quite frankly, we're not seeing a lot of movement on some of these issues. >> we are talking about these things have to be done. ayman, this is not about messaging. this is literally about peoples' lives. whether you are talking about reproductive choice and access as necessary to abortion, when you are talking about voting rights, which is critically important, i will tell you i have a slightly different view on this than perhaps house leadership. i think it's a very important that, because we seem to have so little success getting voting rights bills through the u.s. senate, i think it's time for us to take up discreet individual bills that deal with voting rights at the federal level, whether it's access to polling places, the hours that polling places are open, early voting, we absolutely have to do whatever we can, even if we take

these individual issues and break them up. so that we are voting on them in a way that requires people to take an up or down vote, so that it can't be some massive bill that people are always able to hide behind, the fact it was a massive bill so that's why they voted no. we have to really take these issues on one by one, and as a front-line democrat, running next year, i'm not afraid to take these issues on. i think this is what democrats are looking for us to take on. independence, moderate republicans. people are looking for us to take on the tough issues and figure out, how are we going to solve these, not just talk about them. >> i couldn't agree with you more on that congresswoman. i think a lot of people watching this will be saying they want to see democrats do exactly what you're saying, so i hope the house leadership is watching this and they get to hear from you on the need to get these

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hi, so five people died at the capitol in january 6th, one of those people named rosanne boilyn, she was 24, grew up in the same town i grew up. a friend of hers went to my high school, after she was obsessed with the q-anon conspiracy theories, in less than a year,

went from a member of her family to being a radical. >> reporter: for most of her life, rosanne hated politics, she was super shy. >> we come from a large catholic family so we're always in each other's business, always hanging out. >> reporter: in the summer of 2020 though, her family notice the something was off. >> he she started getting closed off and doesn't, on christmas, she was here but was on her phone the whole time, nart of not participating like in the opening of presents. >> reporter: she avoided family events and started going down a q-anon rabbit hole of child trafficking conspiracy theories. >> she's like have you heard about this, i say no, so she texts me at 7:00 in the morning, up all night watching youtube. >> her family was unsure how to

handle the obsession, with a past of substance abuse, they were afraid confronting her might push her away. her social media posts took on a new tone. >> do you believe rosanne was radicalized? >> yes. >> reporter: her family tried to talk her out of the rally in washington, but she refused. she went with a friend who was one of the last to see her alive. her family watched in horror as the events of that day unfolded. >> so we just watched the news and the second they said the second person died i, or somebody, you know, there was more than one death, i knew automatically that it was her. just had like this gut, you know, feeling that that was her. >> reporter: late that night, rosanne's family got the call they had been dreading. rosanne died at the capitol in a middle of a crowd trying to force its way past the police

line. body camera and other footage from that day paints a brutal picture. a friend, justin, can be seen in this footage, dragging people out of the way in an attempt to save her life. >> save her! she's going to die. >> reporter: rosanne died but according to the medical coroner's office it's from a prescription drug overdose. >> so do you believe the explanation given by the medical examiner as to why rosanne died is not -- >> i mean, prescription adderall? >> i think they did a rushed, half-hearted investigation a because she was a trump supporter who died doing what she did. >> reporter: in the months since her death, the boilers sought to understand how she was radicalized and what happened to her in the final minutes, some

of which they believe was captured on body cam video that was not released. also want to speak with justin winschell who was with her to the end but he stopped responding to the family's calls and texts. >> ultimately, we just want to find out what happened to her. >> now our team spent the entire year investigating the circumstances of her death, doing our best to get to the bottom of many unanswered questions the family still has. the first episode of msnbc's newest original podcast series, american radical is available now, in the first episode i head back to kennesaw to help figure out how my old friend was radicalized so quickly. you can listen to american radical now, wherever you get your podcasts. still to come, twitter's new ceo taking silicon valley by storm, but no surprise conservatives are not in his corner. cases of anxiety in young adults are rising

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all right so jack dorcy is officially done, the twitter of ceo raised the white flag from his checkbook account after years of trying and failing to reform the more toxic traits of the platform. chief technology officer agural would be stepping up, and in an entrance he banned twitter users of using images of private citizens without their consent. many weren't happy and dug up the remarks he made a year ago when he said twitter's role is not to be bound from the first amendment, our role is to foster healthy conversation and let's be clear. companies like twitter are not bound by the first amendment, the government is bound by the first amendment, not private companies, but after a week, many are saying agrawal is ready

to silence free speech in this country, an expert on all things silicon valley, katie, it's great to see you. let's start with who exactly parag agrawal is, why was he the right guy for the job at this moment? >> so he was the former cto. so in many ways, very obviously a next in line person. he is a little bit unusual because he is going to be officially the youngest ceo of a fortune 500 company. he's only 37 years old but been at twitter for almost ten years now. so he, you know, he is very involved in the company, knows the tech. you know, it makes sense. the reports are that people internally are largely pleased with this. i mean i guess except for a few people who got sort of removed in a large reorganization, but the people think that he's a good choice for the job.

>> what do you make of dorcy's departure? some see it as he through in the towel before he was able to reform the platform, some say he has given up on reforming the platform, what is agrawal up against here, what is wrong with witter besides the toxicity that needs to be addressed? >> i like the question, what's wrong with twitter. you know, i actually think that twitter in the last three, four years under jack dorcy actually really made some significant changes in cleaning up the platform, making it not a horrific cesspool of abuse and harassment. that still exists on there but there really have been significant changes both in policy and moderation and just like on a product level that actually, like, have made it better. and i feel like we have to give him credit for like, they

actually listened to the feedback and made changes and i do think that was a sort of a moment where jack dorcy had this come to jesus moment of being like, okay, we need to korean up the platform and, like, not perfect, but, you know, some decent and significant progress has been made. >> correct me if i'm wrong, he got a little more praise than somebody at facebook like mark zuckerberg or perhaps even people like google, or the people at google, excuse me, because they own youtube who dodged some of the same criticism that facebook has had. you don't see the same about twitter. >> yeah. and you know, it's, they are very different companies. and i do think it's -- it's tempting to compare twitter and facebook. and a way that mark zuckerberg,

it feels like, you have to pull him dragging, kicking and screaming to make significant change for the better but then he also will make change that's fake and tell you it's better. you know, twirt, it's a little bit of a smaller platform which makes things slightly easier. the scale is not so overwhelming, but i do think that, like, he really did sort of actually approach the problem of my platform is messed up, which is also a business problem for him, not just, you know, a problem for people on there. it makes advertisers want to flee. i think he approached it with, like, some amount of humility and dedication to transparency which is very different from facebook and google. >> let me ask you quickly a little bit about the right here. because he's been at the hem of fox -- sorry, twitter, for just

about a week now and yet we see conservatives at fox and other areas in the conservative media world. they're already going after him, knives out. why are they so eager to villify this guy? >> i think people villify jack dorsy on the left and the right for the same but different reasons and the new guy, you don't know exactly what he stands for. you know, he is the cto so he's got the technical chops but has not dealt with policy in the saving way, which is a bit different than, you know, he hasn't dealt with the problems of like when do you ban the president? when do you testify before congress? you know, these are big things you have to do as ceo that he has not done yet. and so i think it's a little bit of, you know, hey, what's this guy all about? he hasn't demonstrated what he's all about because he doesn't really have a policy background

and i think, you know, people always, you know, even when, you know, jack dorcy seemed to be letting the jerks run the platform a while, people were still saying he was, you know, stifling free speech and stuff like that. so i think that's always coming in with that bias. >> all right katie natopolis, interesting to see how twitter will shape the image now that he's at the head. appreciate it, katie. still ahead, last night, former president trump got foiled yet again by a familiar enemy. >> he said important. the sentence should have been, i don't see any reason why i wouldn't, or wouldn't be rushing. sort of a double negative. sort of a double negative. our sleigh is now ready, let's get on our way. a mountain of toys to fulfill many wishes.

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the 2020 election was either very stupid or very corrupt. that immediately kicked off open mic night on twitter. it's the old double negative trap laid by the deep state. trump did say his middle initial j. stands for genius. and this is why you should never use translation software in press releases. maybe it sounds better in the original russian. after all this, the original tweet from his spokesperson is still up more than 24 hours later and they're doubling down. his top spokesperson even tweeted, i can say, i didn't not see that coming. well, before we go, it is a sad night at ayman. there is an incredible team of producers behind the scenes led by patrick mcminman. he helped launch this show from

the very beginning, creating an open environment where we are able to express our opinions. he's the father of two love boys who love to crash interviews and meetings asking hard-hitting questions like what's your favorite food. his dog bo would bark until patrick took her outside to play. and while there is a lot we will miss, there is one thing we won't. patrick was the self-proclaimed pun master, which meant only he was allowed to make puns on our scripts. so tonight we are celebrating with our favorite dad jokes, the alphabet has a w. why haven't aliens come to our solar system yet? they read the reviews, it's just one star. life comes at you fast especially when you are an

ultimate frisbee player out of his prime. we are very proud of patrick and having worked for him and with him, but he won't be going too far as he takes on a new role as executive producer of our peacock producer overseeing maggie hassan's show and my show. we are lucky to have patrick as our leader. so patrick, this is not good bye. i will definitely see you on fridays, but thank you, and thank you for making you this show what it is. you can catch ayman on saturdays at 8:00 and sundays at 9:00. follow us on twitter and tiktok. catch all the highlights you may have missed and a whole lot more. but until we meet again, i'm ayman. have a good night. ayman. have a good night.

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