ukraine's independence. the u.s. and nato members threatening severe repercussions. plus, democrats are working to get the debt limit approved. the president is hoping to get his social spending bill passed. i will be talking to senator chris van holland and we'll hear what they have to say about the beijing olympics this winter. what scientists now learn about the omicron variant. and we'll get a look at the

president and first lady looking at the memorial to honor senator bob dole. we begin in washington with peter alexander. peter, what have we heard from the administration or from the russians russians, who usually get their take on these summits out first. >> notably our only window into this high stakes consequential conversation between president biden and president vladimir putin is from the russian side right now. russian television providing us a short window earlier today at the start of that conversation. the white house would only confirm that the conversation started about 10:07 this morning. they have yet to say whether or not it ended. here is a look at their opening exchange at the start of this meeting. >> hello. good to see you again, i,

unfortunately last time we didn't get to see each other at the g 20. >> expressing his disappointment that vladimir putin was not at the g 20 that took place in room or the climate summit. and this is a conversation that comes up among the rising tensions with estimates that up to 100,000 rusian troops are now at the ukrainian border there. unclear if this is a bluff or an effort to try to destabilize that region. even without invading, but based on past history when russia seized crimea. history demonstrates that russia may not be messing around here. in the course of this

conversation will it be direct and candid? saying, among other things, there will be very real costs likely in the form of significant and severe economic sanctions, an effort tro try to isolate russia from the international financial community as well. we just got a note from the rouse as well saying after president biden is done with this conversation today he will speak by phone to the leaders of italy, the uk, germany, and frabs. america's biggest allallies, th the u.s. is not acting alone in this prepared economic consequences or whatever it may do going forward but with allies by their side and with jake sullivan that will be at the

press briefing today. >> and secretary blinken spoke with ukraine's leaders yesterday and there will be a call. so the president is trying to show they're keeping all of the allies on board, this is a contrast to the way that president trump operated, but it's not a typical that the russians got out their photo opportunity before the americans did. >> i think you're exactly right and i think we'll keep an eye on the readouts as well. i think there may be different framing about the way this conversation went. >> for sure, thank you so much. joining us now, retired admiral james. ambassador taylor, thank you so much. what are these tough unprecedented sanctions?

say vladimir putin is not bluffing and we have seen more than 90,000 troops on the border. we don't know his intentions, and he could move if he wanted to. one is the death penalty of economic sanctions, one is the economic banking system. they have don't that against iran, could they do it against vladimir putin? >> they could, and i understand the swift sanctions have been on the table this week. i understand that the state department and the treasury department officials have been in europe discussing exactly this. they're also talking about angsts on people right close to president putin. who have access to travel and investment over seas that would

go. more angsts and they lead to russia, but you're right. swift has been the ultimate sanction and they, i know they have been talking about it and they could do it. >> we talked to secretary blinken. i was on that trip, and asked what about these sanctions, and he said we know what they are. and laf love was learning and laughing them off. and they really hit them right a a time when energy costs and inflation would stick with the u.s. and coming out of the nato

meeting this person said yes. they said those americans were solid and bill tailor next to me is nodding. >> he is nodding fig resourcely. this is the week of the army navy game o so this one is for you. we're on pearl harbor day in has been dramatically telegraphed. and i think it is not only economic sanctions that we need to move in front of the russians, so they understand the consequence, but we also need be, in my view, reinforcing the ukrainians. make them a harder nut to crack. i don't think that vladimir

putin is going to go rolling aross that border in the next 60 or 90 days. we will be increasing assistance militarily, and i know ambassador taylor pushed very hard for that. i think you mentioned it earlier, we need to get this out of the channel of the u.s. versus russia. because if putin, for the third time crosses a boarder in anger, don't forget in 2008 he invaded jordan. we're going to be trying to find peace in our time and it won't be found. >> let me ask both of you, is it

at stake sneer is it on their mind? are they going to make the decisions about who can and who cannot join? >> i think is a credit ability moment for the united states and frankly in the wake of our withdrawal from afghanistan. we don't need to relitigate that, but i think there are those around the fwhorld ukraine and other places saying how important are these kind of guarantees, and they're not a nato member, but they're a close partner, they have been deploying troops to afc, and we cannot let vladimir putin decide who gets to be in nato and who

does not. >> and ambassador taylor, the afghanistan withdrawal veriment on minds, and they're saying why should we trust that you would come to our defense given the messy crawl from afghanistan? >> you make the point, the admiral makes the point that you crane is a sovereign country if used to be that large countries could plea smaller countries, and your points about credible is really important to us, and to nato. the chooi please be watching to see if the united states does. if they defend a strategic

partner, they will think twice about our commitments to taiwan. we want to respect the sovereignty of nations. that's what we do. others didn't in the past, we have to be credible on that. >> >> to your analogy, is russia's game over ukraine, is vladimir putin's demand over taiwan -- because we have never really declared ijuan independent? >> exactly wbl ukraine is sovereign. >> ukraine, mil tearly, we promised $60 million when zalinsky was visiting earlier

this year, but what more can we give them? >> we can help them with cybe. question help them with intelligence sharing. we can provide trainers, so they can performance exercises along with nato. test part of the hardware and the software. >> thank you so much from two west point men and a navy man. >> beat navy. >> we'll see what happens this weekend. >> and breaking news from france where police rescue a man in connection with the 2018 murder of jammal khashoggi. >> and we knew he was picked up around 10:30 this morning by french authorities. and it was in connection with arrest warrants announced by the turkish governments and tent

through interpol. that gave the french authorities permission to arrest him. he is a former royal guard and one of 26 people the turkish authorities reported as being connected to the killing. as far as the saudis are concerned, they say they have found, tried, and punished nine people they say was part of a rogue operation to kill jamal. he was considered the de facto ruler, the heir apparent, and it the mvs that authorized the murder, and they say they're not

don't investigating, they need to make more arrests. >> and his key man, his right-hand man, has not been arrested or punished, and he was considered the head of this hit squad carrying out the orders. so there is a real credibility gap in what the cia reported and what two american presidents have now been willing to do against a key ally, saudi arabia, who is also currently being pressured to produce more oil. all very complicated. thank you, matt bradley. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. this is "andrl reports" on msnbc. b against you creating friction. and your clothes rub against you all day. for softer clothes that are gentle on your skin, try downy free & gentle. just pour into the rinse dispenser and downy

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the january 6th committee is pushing ahead, and mike pence's closest aid is cooperating with the panel. and a july 18th trial date is now set for steve bannon. joining us now, garrett haake, phil rutger, coauthor of "i alone can fix it." and what did we learn from this testimony today? >> we learned the capitol police department needs to improve their training and intelligence operations.

they lost more than 200 officers since january 6th and the process of replacing them and improving the training of those that stayed will take time. and impruing their collection and dissemination to officers is still something he would like to see. the ig has worked to improve these same issues. >> and mark meadows is no longer cooperating? >> yes, he feels like they will ask him questions, and they are

pokes around other documents in this interview. and he is not going to cooperate. this leaves them with not a lot of options. they would will vote to the contempt process for him, but they held that off to get something down to mark meadows. steve bannon won't even go on trial until mid july, and so getting their hands on the information that meadows had will be a challenge for this committee now. >> let's talk about mark short. a key witness, he was there for the whole experience. mike pence came out after the meeting, and if he is really cooperating, we don't know that, but you covered him for a long

time. how important could he be? if he is indeed cooperating with them, as you opponent out he was with the vice president throughout the day at the capitol. he informs communication with mark meadows talking about the vice president's well-being and that they intended to follow through with their responsibility, but perhaps more important they can speak to the president's mind-set and president trump and others around him. trying to convince the vice president to send them back to the states and effectively overturn the election results. he was privy to the arguments being made, and if he agrees to cooperate fully the committee could learn a lot of new

information. >> i want to talk about a key guard, they say that two generals interfered with the deployment of dr. charles flynn. >> yeah, that was really tremendous testimony that speaks to the level of what was going on behind the scenes on that day, particularly this effort to not end the necessary back up to january 6th. afraid of what the optics would be. this is the brother of general michael flin and this creates a lot of questions. it was a political decision to not send the back up that was needed on january 6th. i think that just shows how much more the committee needs to find out about this. >> phil, before we leave, i want to talk about a real tragic loss

at the washington post. it is just unfathomable that he is gone. tell me about fred hyatt and his importance to the "washington post." >> yeah, he was really a father figure at the "washington post." he led the opinion page for more than 20 years. he was nominated for the editorials calling president trump unfit for office when he was running for office. he was a champion for human rights, for democracy, for the voiceless, and outside of our news room he was a compassionate

leader. he loved everyone, he lifted careers up, a devoted family man and husband as well. >> and margaret, the incredible team they were, wonderful colleagues and friends. and this was sudden, a terrible, terrible loss. thank you. thank you very much our condolences to "the washington post" and all of your colleagues. >> coming up next, 18 days to shop or get the present social spending bill passed. we'll talk to the senator about the chances for one of those. >> you're watching ann tree ya mitchell reports on msnbc. repo. y add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems.

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the white house announced a diplomatic wipe out of the diplomatic games.

they will be allowed to compete, and not president biden or any other u.s. officials will be attending. i spoke with republican senator mitt romney who was in charge who was in charge of the 2002 salt lake city olympics. >> is a diplomatic boycott the way to go? >> i'm proud to say they're not going to beijing. i understand people feel that we should not send athletes either. that happened in the jimmy carter years in russia, but these athletes trained their entire lives to prepare at this time and i don't feel the burden of our policies should fall on the shoulders of these people. >> is this tough enough? why aren't we also boycotting

the athletes? >> we're not sending our diplomats to china, and i hope they don't have to take the entire burden of the foreign policy on their shoulders. these people have sacrificed their entire lives to be the best in the world and to be prepared. and i frankly want to hear the united states national anthem play in beijing? >> should be be concerned about starting a new cold war? >> china is carrying out a series of outrageous behaviors. and of course the jen side they're carrying out. i don't know what other actions they plan on taking, but anyone that feel it's is inappropriate for our diplomats to be in they're country. >> you were in charge of the very successful olympics in salt

lake city. what impacts do you think it will have on the games. >> i think it is important for the entire world, the people in our country to understand better what is going on in china and to know the kind of outrage that is being perpetrated on the chinese citizens by the communist party. joining us now today, chris van holland who is on the foreign relations and budget committee. if they don't go far enough and others are not joining us? >> i agree, good to be with you. i agree with the decision of the biden administration and what senator romney just said. congress took a position on this months ago as part of the innovation and competition act that we passed and sent to the house. we included a statement of

policy calling for an official boycott. i think is the right moe and thank you for remembering brett hyatt in the previous segment. he was a fighter for the rule of law and human rights. and he supported senator tomey and i a few years ago so hopefully we can all come together in support of the president's actions. >> well, thank you for that. he was just such a strong voice and it is so important to respect real leaders in journalism like fred hyatt. china is furious about this, so will we give up leverage with china on trade? on climate change? if they retaliate with us?

>> i think the opposite is true. i think that if we don't hold china accountable for their actions against the ughyrs, if we don't stand up to the gross violations, i think the president hit exactly right mark calling for the official boycott of the olympics. and we're going to have to work with our allies in the region. i would say that we should get nick burns nominated as ambassador to china. his nomination passed the foreign relations committee earlier last month. he is being held up by a few senate republicans blocking the nomination nap undermines our

efforts. we need an ambassador there and we need to send the message that the president is sending through the diplomatic boboycott. turning now to the build back better act, majority leader chuck schumer wants to pass this before christmas? is that realistic? >> but americans are allowed to have different aspirations. some make sacrifices to have a parent at home full-time. others prefer part-time work and in-home child care. the democrats takeover would not give any of them a dime. >> so, he is calling it aed toer will takeover, giving pre-k to

kids. >> first of all, apparently mitch mcconnell decided to forget about a provision that will expire at the end of this year that provides $3600, up to $3600 to families for every child. and we passed that as part of the american rescue plan earlier this year, cut job poverty in half that helped tens of millions of american families. apparently mitch mcconnell wants that to go away because it will unless we pass the build back better conversation. these are monthly tax cuts that are coming into families who have kids that help them make their family budgets. and it goes to all families with

kids. so mitch mcconnell, apparently, wants them to go without that tax cut. and he also opposes the efforts to close the tax loopholes for some of the biggest corporations. apparently he is okay with giving big tax breaks to big corporations. but he doesn't want to give that tax cut to families with kids? >> i'm misspoke because apparently he was speaking about the child tax credit rather than pre-k, but you got the point that that is what he seems to be thinking they are attaching the debt sealing reform. could they get that through so they can come back for a second vote on the debt ceiling that

would only have to pass by 51 votes? >> i'm -- yeah, i'm all in favor of reforming the debt ceiling. we should get rid of the debt ceiling. it's a provision that says we have to vote to pay the bills already due, right? if we didn't make a mortgage payment, we would feel the consequences if the united states defaults on the on apply indications due, the whole economy craters. so we should reform it, but at the very at least, senator mcconnell and republicans should allow the democrats the vote to do the right thing. and this procedure you just outlined, coming over from the house with the ndaa, having a separate 51 senate vote on the debt celling would take care of that. better that republicans help us, but at least get it out of the

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i want to talk about covid cases in children. what are you seeing? >> i was at the children's hospital last weekend and we were seeing many children with this disease that came in, and they were placed on ventilators, and none of them were vaccinated and many times their parents were not vaccinated. now we have a vaccine for children over five years of age and this can be prevented and it is really hard to watch. this we can do and it is really hard to stand back and watch a preventable illness cause children to be hospitalized. >> i can't imagine seeing a child put on a ventilator and knowing this is preventable. what it must do to all of you in the medical profession. >> it is heartbreaking. you see them struggling to breathe, knowing it can be

prevented, it is hard to watch. >> he is also requiring children ages five to 12 to show proof of at least one shot when they go into public places. is this workable and should it be done in more cities. >> we hit a wall. there is a critical number that are not vaccinated. knowing it works, what can we do? people say i'm going to allow this to spread, to mutate, and it could be more and more resistant and what are you going to do about it? i wish we had a different phrase than mandate, maybe "good health

requirement." and certainly it seems reasonable to be mandated for this one given how devastating this virus can be. >> before you go can i ask about the omicron virus and we're seeing it in more places now, is there any more evidence to what is really going on with this virus? do we have to just wait for the lab work? we're concerned about it being related to severe illness. it wasn't true for many of the variants. all of those cases, vaccine immuity protected against serious disease, i expect that will also be true here. if it is not true, if it doesn't protect, then i think we're going to have to consider an omicron specific vaccine. but if anything, this variant

may be less so than the previous virus. >> one can hope. thank you again, thank you very much. from the children's hospital there in philly. and texas show down, the justice department suing texas over whether or not it's redistricting plan discriminates against voters of color. stay with us, this is msnbc. s m. were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone.

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and time. that is the uss arizona that was hit in attack by japan 80 years ago. take a look at some of the black-and-white footage to understand what happened that day. there was no declaration of war. the japanese launched this aarticulate, and as you noted, december 7th, 1941, what president roosevelt called the day of infamy, drew the united states into world war ii. japan at the time said perhaps they had awoken a sleeping giant, and, indeed, they did. it was u.s. and its allies that ended japan and its authority beyond its borders as well as ending hitler's master plan. let me take you down below here

where you can see in the water. this is what the arizona looks like under water today. it is there because they want to let everybody know that what happened here in terms of bodies, 900 sailors. those who survived say they want us to never forget. listen to jack holder here. >> what do you feel as you stand here right now knowing that the arizona is there. >> i can still see the ship sitting at 45 degrees covered in smoke. >> you see that as you stand here? >> oh, yeah. it looked like the same thing. >> you look back and go, how come i survived and why did they die. >> you don't have an answer to that, do you? >> i don't think anybody does. >> tur vievers say they were haunted for many years but now no longer haunted by the fact that they survived but rather to have a purpose, to make sure

before they die we make sure we hear the words of what happened. we're about four minutes of when a moment of silence will be taking place here at pearl harbor because it was about 7:55 when the attack happened. andrea? >> kerry sanders at a historic memorial right there? pearl harbor. thank you. the justice department is suing texas over the proposed new republican redistricting map. they insist they're discriminating by redrawing districts to exclude blacks and hispanics. 99% of the population is linked to black, latino, and asian residents. neither accounts for those voters. instead the two new seats have white vote majorities. texas is vowing to fight the lawsuit. joining me now, veronica

escobar. your reaction to what seems to be a classic case of gerrymandering. >> andrea, it's so good to be on your program. thank you for having me. yes, this is an extreme example of what actually has been going on in other states as well. we're seeing a very targeted strategic attack against our democracy, and one of those attacks runs right through texas with gerrymandering that is intended to silence hispanic voters, black voters, it's intended to also create -- ignore, rather, the growth in our population. according to the last census count, it was minority populations that have allowed texas to gain two new congressional seats, and yet the state legislature decided to ignore that population growth. had we had preclearance, we might not be here today, but

unfortunately we have seen erosion after erosion to our democracy, including now. >> now, what chances do you have because we've seen with other lawsuits that in texas at least in the initial stages, all up through the appeals process, you've got a pretty hard way to go, given the judges. >> we do, andrea. it's going to be a challenge. obviously we've seen extreme partisan gerrymandering before. we've not seen tremendous success in the past. but i think it's important that the doj do this. i also am going to be participating in litigation, and we are preparing to intervene in the lawsuit. there is far too much at stake. we've got to fight back in every way possible here in congress. the house of representatives has done its job through legislation that we have passed to try to

protect voters' voices at the ballot box, to try to protect representation in states that are trying to silence minority voices. we just need the senate to act. and unfortunately to this point because of the filibuster, we've not seen the senate take action to not just protect voters in texas, but to protect our democracy in general. >> and before we run out of time, i did want to ask you about the biden administration this week restarting donald trump's maine and mexico policy. >> yes, and it's unacceptable. we know unfortunately the state of texas and others have brought a suit against the biden administration, forcing them to reinstate mpp, which i think is a complete violation of our laws, a complete violation of the spirit of asylum. the biden administration has not

just reinstated it, but has unfortunately expanded it to include haitians. so that's been a real disappointment. i do know, however -- and i spoke with secretary mayorkas, they're fighting this out in the courts. they have to be aggressive. we have to prevail. we have to make sure we eliminate this awful program created by stephen miller altogether and hope we end it permanently. >> veronica escobar, thank you so very much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow us. "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts right after this. with ch starts right after this. - hi, i'm steve.

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