an affinity with people who had my sort of political views but certainly had friends much more conservative and much more liberal than i am, and i don't think my kids do. >> that's true. >> actually really looking at gene's jacket and his nail polish but that's mostly what i'm interested in. it's good. >> i don't have the jacket. i have the nail polish. but i need both. it goes together beautifully. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hey there. i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it's wednesday november 8th and we have breaking news on the coronavirus. so let's get smarter. pfizer just releasing brand new data saying a booster dose of its covid vaccine appears to provide strong protection against the omicron variant. the key word here, and i'm going to underline it, star it, give you an at-risk is "booster."

company saying the standard two-dose may not provide enough antibodies against the variant. >> two doses bence omicron are almost equivalent to the effectiveness against the -- the original variant. those are very good news. preliminary because we are waiting to see more data, more accurate data with the more accurate essays that will come in a week or two and of course more data. but so far looks like a third booster improves dramatically the efficacy. >> i have the best team with all the information you need to know from nbc meg tirrell, sam brock and dr. aneesh adalja. never a day i wanted you here more, meg. no one breaks that news quite like you do. explain to us what's going on with pfizer. >> reporter: yeah. so this was really surprisingly

good news this morning. especially after we got data from south africa last night that showed after two doses you saw a 40-fold reduction in neutralizing affecting cells against omicron. this morning pfizer-biontech saying a full reconstruction in antibodies. with a third, up by 25 fold. looks you can restore antibodies to level that protect against infection. two doses may stilling protection against severe disease because of other parts of the immune system like t cells. still continuing to work on omicron-specific vaccine in case that's needed and expect more data from lab studies to help make that decision in concert with health authorities, and if it is needed, then that could be available by march. right now the booster looking really, really good against

omicron, steph. >> doctor, break it down for us. for those who don't translate data or think about t. cells. is this you must get the booster? >> they have protection. they have protection against what matters. serious disease, hospitalization and death, what we expected. so now it comes to your goal. is your goal to prevent all infections including mild breakthroughs or is your goal to prevent serious d.c.? somebody thinks serious decease decease -- disease and hospitalization is the most important thing. high risk, must-get booster population. the other group, i think there's still controversy. there are people in the field and i'm sort of in minority thinks healthy people, booster is a margin's benefit, but i think it's good news no matter what from pfizer and just important to know first and second doses are going to protect you from the severe consequences of omicron.

that should be the headline. >> doctor, for people who just started getting the vaccine, who just got their first dose, maybe second dose, should they be getting the booster immediately? the rest of us, we waited six months. >> they probably don't need to get it immediately. also depends on your individual risk tolerance and risk profile for severe disease. what we know with boosters. where they're especially, six months after the second dose. people who get pfizer and moderna six months later. j&j is different. single vaccine probably a two-dose vaccine two months of a the j&j dose get a booster. usually mrna vaccines bike pfizer and moderna mix and match when you mix two. >> you're in minority. said booster isn't necessarily a must if you've got two doses and heal healthy. does this new variant change your assessment whether or not to get that booster?

>> it hasn't changed my assessment, because, again, if you're talking about breakthrough infection in a healthy person it's going to be mild. it's not going to be something that land you in the hospital. to me, the goal has always been about preventing serious disease hospitalization and death. especially with the first generation vaccines. the antibodies fall after timened you have to boost them back up again. kicking an inevitable breakthrough down the road. that's not as important as first and second. if we got everybody boosted, still problems in the hospital. still 1,000 deaths per day. this is really about getting first and second doses into people. 60 million americans eligible but not vaccinated are driving the pandemic and still tuck in stuck in this. >> say i've had my first and second dose. haven't had my booster and without the booster i could get this variant but won't get super

sick? what's the down side of getting a booster? >> there isn't much of a down side, but it's important to remember you'll probably need another booster down the road. for me, prevention of illness isn't so much that valuable because this is a virus all will eventually get. not going to be eliminated. our goal always containment, remove its ability to crush hospitals. first and second doses do tore healthy persons. high-risk, get a booster today. >> doctor, meg, given good news. sam, give the bad news. we know hospitalizations are on the rise, but six particular states that are seeing the worst of it. can you explain? >> reporter: right. so, steph, nationally, there are 30-plus states right now that have seen increases of hospitalizations the last couple weeks. that half dozen make up majority of those increases. talking about where is this going on geographically, primarily in the midwest with michigan, ohio and indiana leading the way. pennsylvania and new york are

also included in that group and the question really becomes, stephanie, how are we moving in this direction now? look at the fact 60% of the entire u.s. population is fully vaccinated. 71-plus percent of adults 18 and older are vaccinated yet it's not just hospitalizations. 23 states now plus district of columbia are seeing double-digit increases in covid cases. national figure is back now close to 110,000 per day again. the deaths increased right now, 19 states also seeing double digit increases, and all of these folks are vaccinated. start talking about the omicron variant. 20-plus states in the country identified at least one case. in florida, just found first two cases. one in st. lucie, and tampa, continues to expand. what role is omicron going to have adding fuel to this fire? all important questions. spoke with someone from a hospital a doctor in michigan. issues a clarion call right noi for more health care workers saying the issue no not hospital

beds. the people. health care workers on the frontline going through this burnout since march of 2020 and need relief. >> meg, are you seeing this no your reporting? health care worker shortage because of absolute burnout? >> reporter: absolutely. this has been a problem for months now. i mean, we often hear that hospitals can expand capacity. they can get the actual physical beds. it's the folks to staff them who can actually treat these patients, that it's been difficult this entire time to be able to find and now at this point almost two years into this pandemic, a lot of folks are really burned out. it is a massive problem. and something that i think a lot of people think we need to address, but difficult to find good solutions. >> doctor, is that a problem in your hospital system? >> definitely. i work in the pittsburgh area clinically and i worked all day yesterday. gruelling to take care of unvaccinated patient after unvaccinated patient after unvaccinated patient with a vaccine preventible illness and

frustrating when you have this continue to occur and it's self-inflicted. only so much i can do. i'm far beyond burnout. i don't know what the word for this is. >> can i ask are those patients, a., apologizing to you, and, b., are they getting treatments that are as risky as, let's say, the vaccine is? because they continue to make the argument, i don't want to get this vaccine. i don't know what it will do to my body. what are the treatments you're giving them in the hospital after they get mega sick? seem to be okay with that. >> some of them are apologetic. i saw one patient with leukemia adamant. perhaps hypoxic this wasn't something could have been prevented, vaccine wouldn't work and sometimes not worth arguing. remdesivir and other drugs, monoclonal antibodies, line up for them and we have difficulty schedules people for them because so many are unvaccinated

taking those drugs available on emergency authorization but not take the pfizer approveds vaccination. it's mind boggle what's they choose to take and not take. almost -- the fact it's self-inflicted is the worst part of it, because it didn't have to be this way. more people vaccinated, a lot less problems in our hospitals. this is not sustainable forever. it's worse because this is a place where we have so much access to vaccines. getting more booster shots into people than first and second doses. it's just really paradoxical. >> so many sick people in africa don't have access to the vaccine, and people here are refusing it. doctor, sam, meg, thank you all so much. certainly made us smarter and safer this morning. now we have to turn to the latest on the january 6th committee threatening to pursue criminal, i said criminal, contempt charges against trump's former chief of staff meadows if he doesn't show up for a deposition today.

the right side of your screen he would be walking if he were to come here. the thing is, he said he's not going to. i want to bring in nbc's ali vitali on capitol hill and a former progress prosecutors and ashley parker white house bureau chief for, of course, the "washington post." ali, what's going on here? mark meadows unwilling to show up for his deposition but pretty sure he showed up on television to, guess what? talk about january 6th. >> reporter: yeah. showed up in a few places, steph. remember, this is a deposition he asked for. puts us back in the place of a fee weeks ago. wasn't cooperating with his subpoena, then said he was going to and now back in the same place. the committee seems poised to vote on some kind of punishment for not cooperating with the subpoena. when i spoke, for example, with several members of the committee last night, they referenced the fact they were almost readyback

meadows seemed to come to the table, backed off on it. they'll move expeditiously on this now going forward. the thing that makes it a little slower, the fact after friday the house isn't supposed to be in. not to say they won't get called back next week for business. if they do, then we could see the full house floor vote on a contempt referral if that's the way they want to go. all of these thing, supposed to compel these witnesses to actually comply and actually give the committee this information. it's something you and i talk about a lot. is this really deterring people? this threat of a contempt referral or any of these other options? something i asked chairman add an schiff last night, and he said they should be compeled by legal and moral obligation, but, steph, you and i watched everything over the course of the trump years and over the

past year that has been after trump and it doesn't seem like those obligations are enough. >> legal and moral obligation, see ya later, yesterday. he ain't showing, ashley. i said on sean hannity last night. listen to a bit of what he said. >> we've tried to work with the committee to provide them, and even offered them other options in terms of answering questions, that if this is a true legislative intent we want to help them fix the problem where it never happens again, but i can tell you that, you know, they've been pretty aggressive about holding people in contempt and, know, they'll do what they need to do, and -- at this point hopefully the courts can work it out. >> all right. ashley, they didn't have to hold them in contempt. he could have cooperated. last week, eight days ago, he made an agreement to speak to the committee. what changed? >> well, i can tell you exactly what changed. first it's important to keep in

mind even when he made that agreement there was a sense he was trying to split the difference. basically avoid a contempt charge but very few people were, they were skeptical he was really going to be totally forthcoming. what changed, to answer your question is, that he came out with a book. it was a book that said former president trump learned that mark meadows -- very much thought that trump was like and that was not the case. there were revelations in there -- trump had a positive -- joe biden -- trump was furious about. he was upset, told that meadows was beside himself, and after trump's anger in this effort to get back to his good graces he has now switched again. that is the key thing that's changed. >> can i just ask a quick question on that front. if you're mark meadows and your audience for that book is trump superfans, who exactly are you writing that book for?

if you're doing something that's making trump angry? it's like a chris christie, who's the audience for that? >> anytime in trump's orbit you're actually, not writing for the mega base, writing for an audience of one. for president trump. and fascinating is that the former chief of staff could have so misread this man who he worked for. meadows truly thought trump was going to like the book. trump did not like the book. metd meadows again, beside himself and lard to imagine a lot of the maga base wanting to buy a book that president trump says is full of things that aren't true and that has angered him so. >> so in a blur for the book. remember, trump didn't read the book. someone highlighted the bad parts for him. talk about this. meadows is former chief of staff to trump. he wants to make the same

arguments steve bannon is on the executive privilege front. does he have a stronger case? remember, steve bannon trying to make the case and he was a private citizen. didn't work anywhere but for himself. >> yeah, steph. no doubt. mark meadows having been chief of staff will have a more robust executive privilege claim than steve bannon. steve bannon has zero claim to executive privilege and basically the courts acknowledge that. here's the thing. there is this thing called waiver by disclosure. i think we'll have to talk about it. meadows put a whole bunch of stuff in a book and it looks like all of this may be a ploy to try to sell as many books as he can. that stuff involves conversations and interactions with donald trump. so here's the thing. the law generally says, even if you have a viable privilege. executive, doctor/patient or attorney/client privilege, if you start talking about information openly and publicly that would otherwise enjoy a privilege, guess what?

you've waived it. here is the only way mark meadows can avoid a criminal contempt referral. he has to go before the house select committee. begin answering questions and then if the questions get into territory that arguably enjoys an executive privilege, then he can start invoking executive privilege, you know what? you can't put this stuff in a book, disclose it publicly and then say, but i'm not going to share it with the house select committee. that's a recipe for a criminal referral to contempt. >> better hope a lot of people buy that book. a big, old headache. ali, ashley, glen. leave it there. thank you. coming up, fallout from that high-stakes call between biden and putin. a two-hour call including a warning to russia. but with 100,000 troops still on the ukraine border, what's going to happen next. plus head of instagram in the hot seat today. or at least the hot show as the company rolls out new safety measures for teens.

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alba at the white house and from moscow and former u.s. ambassador to rush michael mcfaul. monica, how is the u.s. going to gauge whether this conversation had any effect? as of now, those russian troops, they haven't moved. >> reporter: right, steph. watching the situation closely with the white house careful not to put a timeline when they expect any kind of resolution. monitoring it in close coordination with european allies and tomorrow speaking with president walensky what could be the next step. setting out a road map which if rush does invade ukraine? prepared to take further action than in 2014 when rush last invaded ukraine. the very important thing to remember in terms of potentially more economic sanctions and potentially sending more reinforcements and supplies to our partners and allies in the

region who have also been very closely watching this and who also would be a part of the conversation of what happens next. this is something the white house doesn't want to lay out any dates or measurements and, again, saying this is what we would do if russia were to act, and they believe u.s. intelligence still assesses that president putin hasn't made that decision yet. >> ambassador, jog our memories. national security adviser jake sullivan said the united states is prepared to go further than the sanctions imposed in 2014, when russia annexed crimea. i can't remember back to 2014. can't even remember back to last week. how bad was it? how bad could these sanctions be now? >> well, i think he's reminding vladimir putin that the west did not do enough in 2014. >> hmm. >> there were more sanctions in, after he intervened in eastern ukraine, by the way, and that was later but trying to say they'll bring the full arsenal. i don't know what they talked

about. let's be clear. obviously. we just have the readouts and don't know what was actually said. i think sullivan was hinting as massive sanctions against multiple companies and individuals close to putin. maybe kicking russia out of swift. right? the interbank process by which he could conduct business outside of russia. that would be, in my view, a very, a qualitatively new sanction. talking about that and disrupting nordstrom ii, a pact russia and germany built recently. as you rightly pointed out, not threatening military intervention. the united states is not going to go to war with russia over ukraine. i think biden also made that clear, and readout subsequently. >> matt, for facts sake, help us out. russia says it's building up forces around ukraine as a response to ukraine possibly

joining nato. hit me fox in one show pap banner across the screen said, putin just wants to keep his western border secure. that's not true. is it? >> well, stephanie, i think that's actually, well, a very accurate characterization of what vladimir putin says. i suppose if you completely discount the fact that russia in 2014 invaded ukraine, annexed crimea and fermented a local -- provided weapons training and a time in 2014, 2015 directed those troops. look past all of that, a characterization, but add ukraine just wants security. >> just, my mind is blown that any u.s. media organization that calls themselves news is using vladimir putin's talking point. stunning. ambassador, ukraine's former defense minister told our colleague richard engel the

united states should not concede anything to russia, because anything would reward putin for creating this crisis. what do you think? >> i agree with it, and i think that was an important outcome from yesterday, because there were some that were worried that president biden might give putin some security guarantees or talking about things that, you know, were going to acquiesce to this buildup and i think it was very proper he did not. but that now means we have to wait for putin's reaction. right? think about it from his point of view. he built up 150,000, 175,000 troops. what has he got from that so far? a zoom call. that suggests to me that this drama is not over. >> what are you watching for? >> i'm watching for putin to underscore and simplify the myth that nato is expanding to ukraine. by the way, he just did that about ten minutes, and i want to

underscore. whatever tucker carlson is saying it is a myth that the, that ukraine is somehow threatening russia. let's be crystal clear about that. this was completely, this crisis by vladimir putin. what i worry about and looking for, if he keeps doubling down on that myth, then that is a pretext for military intervention. and i don't know if putin's going to invade. nobody knows. i don't know bill burns at the cia doesn't know. i don't even know if vladimir putin himself decided, but if he keeps escalating that threat that puts pressure on him to do something. to put all of this pressure and receive nothing, that's a bad move on putin's part. >> a myth spread by an american media. and what could be a catastrophic debt default. a major play by house democrats. speaking of democrats, a new

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once signed into law the senate can pass a bill with just a few votes in the senate. only democrats plus tiebreaking vote of vice president kamala harris to lift the debt ceiling to avoid default. goes back to the house. once they pass it, goes to president biden. they avert economic calamity, do more nominations and beyond that the single big task trying to do before christmas. build back better. likely found way satisfying republicans and democrats and don't have to used more circuitous budget reckon sill lation. >> reconciliation. >> thank you, very, very good news. other news for democrats. another challenge on their hands. a memo sounding alarms about the party's problem before the

midterms with the m memo saying if we're running 2022 on republican candidate equals trump we're going to get killed. joining me now, the person behind that memo, brian striker. democratic pollster and with us dave wasserman and heidi heitkamp, former democratic senator from north dakota. you talked to virginia voters after glenn youngkin flipped the state. what do democrats need to fix? they don't need to talk about trump. they can talk the wins now in terms of public health and the economy, two really big things. d. i think specifically important when making our case to voters. one thing i think we didn't do enough of in hindsight in virginia. make the positive case. talking about getting costs down for families. the cost of gas. bringing supply chains home. taking on china. being more economically competitive. i think that's really important we make that case rather than try to make the election a

referendum on trump. >> heidi, voters feel this with even though biden is creating jobs, wages up, infrastructure passed. giant wins. how come democrats can't seem to ride these wins? they can't say i'm going to fix the global supply chain. en global and complicated. >> actually, look what's happening now. the supply chains are opening back up. we aren't getting credit for it. one thing i want to add to the discussion here is, we can't run against trump, but we need to run against republicans. so we're lowering the cost of insulin to $35. right? which it should even be lower given how long insulin's been around. republicans voted unanimously to avoid that. we can't just talk about what we've done. we've got to talk about what we've done in contrast to what republicans haven't supported.

so that's the real trick. people aren't going to listen to a list of this is what we've done. they're going to listen to this is what we've done and they didn't help and they don't care. on inflation, when people drive by those big marquees where you see gas prices and the number begins with "3" they go, ah. if the number begins with "2" things lighten up and i think gas prices coming down a huge benefit for democrats that add maneuvering room to get the message out there. the question is, how smart can we be, or just going to turn our attention on the next big thing we want to do a as opposed to taking 100 victory laps on what we've done. >> all we make our decision on, whether gas prices, a three on the left side or a two? oil and gas prices are going down. heidi said it. insulin prices going down. few republicans vote and this one in a lifetime infrastructure

package that's going to help people across the country. can democrats start to run on that? it's amazing to see joe biden's poll numbers going down and in the face of a lot of good news. >> the truth is that democrats fate rests with how good voter are feeling next year. president biden and democrats pretty much exhausted major levers, actions, to make people feel better quickly. whether stimulus or federal vaccine mandate. i think biden's approval rating has to be back above 50 by november for democrats to have a chance to hold on to congress. on the current trajectory, superimpose results in virginia and new jersey, down ballot, on congress democrats lose four senate seats and 51 house seats. right now a question of mitigation. >> brian, i want to read more of what you wrote in your memo. voters couldn't name anything that democrats had done. except a few who said we passed the infrastructure bill.

in general, they just aren't seeing the smoother ride they thought they'd get after having voted out trump. do they not remember that this time last year our kids weren't going to school? we weren't in the office and we weren't celebrating christmas with our families? this vaccine rollout has changed the way we live and work, and now we can work and get better and higher paying jobs. what am i missing? i think they did think we did a good job on that, but they sort of say, thank you. what's next? how are you going to fix the economy? how are you going to get these prices down? iheitkamp. the prices are coming down and important for voters to see that. some is a function of time of things to get better. some thing wes have done and are about to do in the china competitiveness bill, in the build back better bill will look much better if the economy has gotten a year from now and can go back and point to them say

here are the things we did to make your lives better. >> but the economy is better today. your house price is up. your investments are up. even if you're not a wall street investor, more than half the country has some sort of retirement fund and government support for those economically vulnerable in terms of expanded child tax credit and other things. heidi, the president is not popular but his policies are. how do you solve that? >> you know, it takes me back to the clinton, george herbert walker bush race. when what he kept saying at the end? economy better, gdp growth up, reducing inflation. all the numbers are in the right direction. but people didn't feel it at home. that's the disconnect, stephanie. i hate to be the old lady on the panel who remembers all of these campaigns, but that's the disconnect here. we've got to connect these policies with lower insulin prices. got to connect them with now you

can afford your day care, if we get this done. we don't personalize the economic message, and that's the problem that we're having. >> then they could contrast rgdp with our vaccine rollout to our supply chain and inflation issues with countries around the world. remember, it's a global pandemic. we went from being at the bottom in lowest point in the pandemic and here we are on top. heidi, brian, david, thank you all so much. definitely made us smarter. coming up next, instagram rolls out new safety rules for teens, so they say, hours before its chief heads to the hill. is all of this just a big show? w we'll pay off your phone up to $1000. you can keep your phone. keep your number. and get your employees connected on the largest and fastest 5g network. plus, we give you $200 in facebook ads on us!

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it is? small changing around the edges, announced. some of which, a good idea. all very good ideas or do something more significant saying do not create instagram for kids, or you can't target teens specifically. >> okay. and they've already -- they've already created instagram for kids. instagram is for kids and teens. >> i got that. >> oh, did you know you're not allowed to have an instagram account if under 13? absolutely no one knows that including their advertisers. >> yes, i understand that. this is a separate product they put on pause, plans on pause. talking about the idea what's happening in other countries where they're banning teens to using these services during certain hours. making sure these teens have parental linkage to it, et cetera, et cetera. i get they find lots of ways around this. partially facebook's issue, because they haven't stopped them. and the problem with teens. this is what they do. they find ways to get on to things because it's the popular

thing. i think around targeting and the ability of these kids to sign up is where i would focus. rather than do these extra things around the edges which they should have done from the very beginning. today's hearing probably a lot of noise. ed markie and senator blackburn, marsha blackburn yelling at them saying enough is enough. i think they're correct both on both sides. and this is a quote from marsha blackburn, instagram's repeated failures to present children's privacy now time for action. look forward to looking into solutions of safety for children and grandchildren. no specifics. idea stop instagram for kids, thinking ruling out. another targeting. nothing gained any kind of -- momentum to have it happen. so we do rely on facebook or meta to decide what they're going to do to try to aga

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in less than an hour, an explosive trial of jussie smollett will be one step closer to wrapping up with closing arguments set to begin. the defense resting its case against the actor took the stand, telling jurors that claims he staged an anti-gay, racist attack on himself are, quote, 100% false. let's go live to rehaima ellis in chicago. rahema, where could the jury get on this case? >> reporter: stephanie, according to the judge, at the end of the trial yesterday, he said to the jurors, quote, this matter will be in your hands tomorrow, meaning today. this after a second day of testimony from smollett, who continued to vigorously maintain its innocence when grilled by the prosecutor about his contact with the two brothers accused of allegedly attacking him. smollett has come into this courtroom each day surrounded by family and friends. and when talking about why he maintained his contact with

those two brothers, he said, on the night of the alleged attack, he was coming back into chicago. the prosecutors wanted to know why was he telling the brothers about that. he said it was because he had a training session with them. he also said that he posted the information on his instagram account, because he wanted to keep his followers up to date on what was happening. so as you point out, this case, just a few minutes from now, the two attorneys will present closing arguments. it's going to then see, there'll be charges from the judge to the jury, and this jury of six men and six women will have to decide who's telling the truth here. and there is no video and no audio coming out of the courtroom, but we've got one of our colleagues in there who's going to keep strict notes for us and we'll get information from you as soon as we have it. >> rahema ellis, thank you so much. coming up, a major amazon outage hitting everything from air travel to streaming to shipping during the busiest time of the year. of course, we're just a couple weeks out from christmas. the fallout, next. t from christs the fallout, next. .

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i planned to discuss amazon, but i've got to break in, because we've got news on capitol hill. mark meadows and the january 6th committee. new news. miss ali vitali is back with us. ali, what happened? >> we heard just now that chairman bennie thompson sent this letter to mark meadows attorney regarding the fact that he says he's no longer going to cooperate with the committee. we know that he's going to show up for a deposition here this

morning and that was not likely to happen. now, of course, we have confirmation that it's not going to. but there are a few parts of this letter that we just got in that really struck me. i'll start at the end, because that's where this goes next. in this letter, it says that the select committee is left with no choice but to advance contempt proceedings and recommend that the body in which mr. meadows once served refer him for criminal prosecution. this is something that they seemed prepared to do several days ago. at that point, though, they pressed pause again, because meadows said he was going to comply, and now it seems as though they're going to push ahead on this. we were asking these questions last night of chairman bennie thompson and other lawmakers on the committee. right now, the house is not scheduled to be in session next week, and chairman thompson said that the sixth committee would not just bring the house back in order for them to vote on this contempt proceeding. but if the house does end up back in session here next week, steph, then it's likely that we will see the january 6th committee do their work, and then later refer this on to the larger house floor, as we've

seen them do already with jeffrey clark and steve bannon. >> you also have news on roger stone. what'd you learn? >> reporter: yeah, roger stone, even when he was served this subpoena, said that he wasn't going to cooperate. he was going to plead the fifth. that has now become official, in a letter that he sent the committee through his attorney, saying that he wasn't going to work with them and that he was going to plead the fifth on this. there are a lot of people now at this point, steph, who are saying that they're going to plead the fifth. we know jeffrey clark is one of those people, roger stone is now one of those people. but that's not necessarily a workaround to saying that they're cooperating with the committee, so that they're not held in contempt. there are ways for the committee to move ahead with people who say that they want to plead the fifth, because they cannot criminalize themselves for wrongdoing. there are ways that the committee can get them to say, okay, you don't have to criminalize yourself for the things that you're talking about, but we still want that information. that's probably where this goes next, as we've seen more people try to plead the fifth, too.

>> my goodness, this is getting more and more complicated, but hopefully, closer to a resolution. ali vitali, thank you. and thank you for watching this really busy hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. and don't forget, today at noon, dr. anthony fauci will be joining andrea mitchell to discuss this major news from pfizer on the new covid variant. but right now, jose diaz-balart picks up breaking news coverage. good morning, it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart on what is shaping up to be a very busy wednesday. we have breaking news on the omicron variant. pfizer says that early lab tests suggests that the booster shot of its vaccine protects against the variant. on capitol hill, congress appears to be making progress toward dealing with two big items on its to-do list. we'll talk about where things stand with michigan democratic senator, debbie stabenow. as two key witnesses say they will not cooperate with the house committee investigating the january 6