hi, there, live at msnbc headquarters in new york, it is friday, december 10th, and we start with that breaking news, we just got the latest numbers on prices and inflation, and to say the least, they are not good. consumer prices are up 6.8% from where we were last year. the highest jump in nearly 40 years. up 0.8% just from last month. for people trying to get a read on the economy, this is important. the cpi number has become the one to watch. even more than the jobs number, as inflation pushes americans to laser focus on their every day expenses. over the past year, the price of meat has gone up 16%, eggs are up 8%, milk roughly 5%. and the price of gas is up 58% over the past 12 months. i want to bring in nbc's michael a -- monica alba at the white

house and steve liesman and jason, hard economics professor and former chair of the economic advisers. what a fantastic pam for this important news. steve, first of all, big picture, what did you learn from this report? obviously, these numbers are not good. >> i think the technical term is everything is up. energy and gas as you just said is up a lot, but other things are up as well. and that is really the issue here, with inflation. it's rising from what it was. it's persistent and it's widespread. i think those are the three things that we're looking at here. and there may be more to come, i think, which is not necessarily in this report, but two particular areas stand out. one is that i believe it is probably too early for the wage gains that we've seen out there, to be priced in to actual consumer pricing. that may be to come. there may be more housing inflation. which has been on the rise to price to the index here. so it's not just that it's where

it is now, with a 39-year high but the issue is there may be more to come when it comes to pricing and obviously, so far, wage gains have not kept pace with inflation and that means the standard of living. >> i made big lists here. in the past month, jobless claims at 50-year low. the unemployment rate is back where it was before the pandemic. housing demand sky high. we know stocks are doing great. people are able to save money. but to the average consumer, and i certainly hear this when i'm out there talking to folks, if they're paying more for milk and eggs and gas, does any of that other stuff really matter? >> yeah, look, what you just said is really important. a lot is going right in the economy. it is great that we're not sitting here now talking about 10% unemployment. we're not talking about continuing to be in a deep recession. but yes, prices are up. some people blame the media. people don't need to wait for the cpi to know how much they're paying for things. people are actually quite expert

at figuring out that the cpi on their own and steve is exactly right, this isn't just one item, this is every item, and some things this month are unusually high, gasoline prices will come down, but there's some other prices that are probably going to actually go up more in the future. so i don't think this is changing very much any time soon. i don't think there is a whole lot the white house can do about it. but for the federal reserve, a better economy and higher inflation both tell them they need to continue to pivot to get this under control. >> it seems the message is clear, steve liesman, looking at the latest numbers from cnbc's new poll, the president's approval rating at 41%, his economic approval only 37%, and i'm very curious to hear, i don't know if you have the breakdowns, what the approval rating is with democrats, and independents. >> well, when it comes to

overall views on the economy, republicans are much more pessimistic about their current assessment of the economy, and their future assessment than democrats are. but democrats aren't dancing in the streets either. it's one of the interesting things here. when we polled for donald trump, republicans were always relatively optimistic on the economy, less so for democrats but when we look at the survey here, what we find is that republicans are very pessimistic and democrats are, you know, not as optimistic as republicans were under trump. and what we find is that these inflation numbers are really eroding people's views on the economy, and of course, people's views on the president. as well as covid, by the way. his approval on handling covid is also under water for the first time in our polling since we began when president biden took office. >> monica, good news for the white house, not good news for people who are running for office, as democrats next year. and obviously, the white house

was anticipating bad news when it released a statement last night that said prices, specifically energy prices, have already come down, they're going to keep coming down in the weeks to come, but we know the administration's economic messaging, and it hasn't always been great but i wonder is it even possible to message your way out of this? going back to my first point, to jason, or do you just have to hang on until prices come down? >> that's exactly what the white house attempted to do yesterday, they tried to get ahead of this, they did indicate these numbers would be quite sobering and tough and the way they will try to frame and spin this today, once the formal report now is out, senior officials indicating they're going to say this report is backward-looking, that there are things on the horizon that are likely to improve, like gas prices, which we are already seeing them trend down. things like wheat, and pork and used car prices. some of those are starting to come down slowly but of course the broader picture and the headline here cannot be mistaken

and the white house is keenly ware of that. so they're going to to attempt to pivot two things they believe will help americans understand, especially those feeling the pinch right now, how they could be helped with the president's legislation and economic agenda and still hasn't passed, extending the child care credit, and parts of build back better and it is still tied up in congress, they will pivot to try to make that messaging point but let's be frank over the last few months, the white house says the inflation is not transitory and downplayed it at times and now we know from fed chair powell who testified indeed that's not the case and this will likely linger into next year, and that of course, this is going to be a problem, and a headache for the white house, not just on a messaging front but when it comes to a policy front as well, because soaring inflation has also been something that critics have used to tell the president that this agenda, what he wants to put into the economy, with

the multitrillion dollar spending, may not be appropriate, either. so the white house really juggling this on multiple fronts. >> the implications are very broad. so jason, if you had a crystal ball, i'd ask you when you think prices are going to start coming down, but unless you do have one, maybe the better question is what are you watching in the coming months to tell you that some of this inflationary pressure is easing? >> right, well the presser that matters the most for consumers is gas prices and there i do have a crystal ball and have come down since last month and probably will come down a bit more. in terms of the underlying inflationary pressure, some of the questions are, do the wage increases we've seen start to feed into price increases? what happens to people's rents? that could potentially be going up. are there other prices like restaurants and air fares which have stayed on the low side that

rise? those will all be things i'm looking for. i expect inflation rates to stay high over the next year. not as high as it is now. but still to be uncomfortably high. >> and i think when you have gas that's up 58%, year to year, and a little bit of a price break is not going to be enough for a lot of people, but we'll see. it's very complicated and we really appreciated you all giving us your perspective on it, jason, steve, monica, appreciate it. meantime, over on capitol hill, the senate has cleared the last big hurdle to raising the debt ceiling. just a couple of days to spare before what could have been a catastrophic default. nbc's lee lee ann caldwell is on capitol hill. >> reporter: the debt ceiling is not raised just yet but they had a key procedural rate in order to pave the way to lift the debt limit and this came after an agreement with majority leader

schumer and senate minority leader mcconnell to enable the debt ceiling to be raised. so what it was, they voted yesterday on a one time rule change that would allow the senate to lift the debt limit with just a simple majority vote. now, that is very critical that there's 14 republicans that joined the key procedure vote, and there were 10 republicans who passed that rule change measure, including mcconnell's leadership team. everyone on mcconnell's leadership team voted for it, including senator johnson who has not jet announced whether he will run for re-election in conservative south dakota next year, but what this does now, it sends it to the president's desk, where he will sign this one-time rule change, and then the senate can actually come back next week and lift the debt limit with just democratic votes. now this is a very complicated way to do this, but in the end, republicans wanted the democrats

to have to name how much they are going to increase the debt by, and it is going to be about 2 to $3 trillion and that is going to be in that legislation next week and then democrats are going to be able to do it alone with just democratic votes. >> leigh ann caldwell, thank you for that. a developing story this morning. a new weapon on the fast-spreading omicron variant. the fda and cdc signing off on a booster dose of the pfizer vaccine for 16 and 17-year-olds, six months after their last shot. allison barber is at a hospital in hard hit michigan and our doctor, infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist. there was pretty heavy disagreement in the medical community about boosters for 16 and 17-year-olds, not to mention other adults but what's your reaction given the situation we're in now to this booster approval for that age group? >> the earlier debate was really

focused on whether you had a waning immunity until what, did you have waning immunity versus infection, or against hospitalization and death? and we have not seen waning immunity to the more critical outcomes among the younger population. but now, with the rise of omicron, it's a different calculation. now, you're concerned about what we call immune-evasion where your immune response to the vaccine or even the prior infection is not going to always recognize omicron, and so the idea here is to shore up your immune responses to boost them up, so you have a better chance of warding off omicron. >> does that mean that younger kids might see their boosters get fast-tracked to approval? what are you expecting there? >> well, remember, that younger kids just became eligible, so even if you saw say today, the fda said 5 to 11-year-olds were eligible, you're still really

talking about six months from now before any would be a candidate for that six-month booster. so i don't think there is any rush to do that. and i think right now, we're really just trying to buy ourselves some time while we learn more about the properties of omicron, how infection is it, how virulent, how severe disease does it cause and how immune-evading is it. how well are vaccines still standing up to that? we have some early signals on that but we're waiting for more definitive data. >> and you're in michigan because this is one of the hot spots now, what, 10%, one in ten koifbz cases in the u.s. is michigan, 85% of the state's icu beds are full i know you were in that hospital a year ago and compare to us what it is like now and what's going on? >> you know, when we talk to doctors and nurses about the situation right now and why there is a surge right now, they tell us they're seeing a lot of

patients from rural neighboring counties where vaccination rates are lower, and that they are also having some patients in here who still doubt the severity of this illness, the severity of the pandemic, and are actually refusing some of the treatment that they offer and asking for other unproven things, like ivermectin, herbs, to be treated with that instead. they say misinformation is part of the problem here. and i'm on one of the covid floors at this hospital and i want you to kind of just listen, because i think the lack of sound actually tells you a lot about what is going on here will is this kind of constant lull of beeps but everything else is quiet. every single one of these rooms, there's a covid patient inside them, and you can see the nurses and doctors working in the hallways but it stays relatively quiet, because most of the work that they are doing, it takes place inside these rooms, at the bedsides of patients. it's also so quiet in here because most of these patients

are sedated. and they are entirely alone because we know this is a virus that forces loved ones to stay away from you. there are 33 patients on this covid floor, but this is not this hospital's only covid floor. we were on another floor yesterday, and i met a woman there who contracted and found out she had covid-19 about a week and a half ago, and she was unvaccinated, as was her husband, and her daughter, all three of them contracted covid-19, all three of them ended up in this hospital, her daughter is in icu rit now. i asked her if she could say something to herself, two weeks ago, or to someone else who is maybe not vaccinated, and what would she want them to know, what does she wish she would have known back then. this is what she told me. >> don't make the same mistake i did. you get in there, and you get that vaccine. oh, my goodness, yes, please do not wait. and it's so important.

this stuff is taxing. really, really bad. so whatever you're contemplating, yes, no, indifferent, whatever, don't decide like that, just go do it. it's so important. because you could lose your loved ones. >> i asked her a little more about her daughter, she didn't actually know how she was doing, because things change so quickly, particularly if you are in a situation where you need the level of care that you would be getting in an icu. this is not just a problem here in lansing, not just an issue here at sparrow hospital, i spoke to another hospital system in detroit and they said they're doing the exact same thing. sparrow hit their record number of covid patients this week. this is arguably their biggest surge yet. and in michigan, until last night, they hadn't detected a single case of the omicron variant and now doctors are

worried what else may come, could this surge just go on and on and on. >> ellison, thank you for that reporting. so dr. gounder, you listen to a patient who says i'm not vaccinated, don't do what i did, get the shot, but it's also a story we've been hearing for months and months and months, and almost 800,000 americans are dead. what do we need to do that we're not doing to move the needle and convincing people, if somebody lying in a hospital bed, begging you to get your shot, her daughter in the icu doesn't move people, what do we do? >> i think many of us are frankly at a loss. even now, the vast majority of patients in the hospital we're seeing with covid, over 90% of people who have not been vaccinated so for all of the talk of booster, the most important thing remain, how do we get people who are not

vaccinated vaccinated? i can tell you, i've tried to do everything talking about what it would be like to be at bellview, walking by the mortuary trucks going into work every day, a similar feeling going into the death star, at the height of the pandemic, talking about watching loved ones die and watching someone die without a loved one at their side, having to assist those conversations over an iphone. and nothing seems to be breaking through. i think a lot of us just do not know what to do. >> dr. celine gounder, thank you for your work and we can't say this enough, that people who are fighting this fight, this surge yet again, we owe you such a huge debt. thank you. and it's good to see you as always. coming up, the january 6th committee now one step closer to seeing president trump's call logs and documents connected to that day.

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court. and it comes as the committee's vice chair, liz cheney, says the investigation is firing on all cylinders with 300 witness reviews, including four yesterday. chris, john eastman, kash patel, and ali alexander, the stop the steal rally organizer. on monday, the committee will decide whether to recommend contempt charges for former white house chief of staff mark meadows after he sued the committee and refused to cooperate. we have more from capitol hill, and also with us, nbc justice correspondent pete williams and "washington post" senior washington corner phil rucker, co-author of "i alone can fix it". >> let me get to the first question. how quickly could a case over trump's documents get to the supreme court? how soon could they rule on something like this? >> well, it will get to the supreme court within two weeks. the appeals court put its own ruling on hold to give the lawyers for the former president

trump 14 days in which to ask the supreme court to hear the case. now, there's no guarantee that the court will take the case. you have to ask, in a case like this, for the supreme court to hear your case, the appeal is not automatic, and it's by no means certain that the court will agree to take it. if they do, then really there's no way to predict how soon the court would rule. i doubt that the lawyers for the president, for the former president will ask the supreme court for expedited review. because it does seem like they want to drag this out as long as possible. they have to act within 14 days though because that's the time limit that the appeals court has set. i think the lawyers from the former president saw it coming and you can see from the way the oral argument went that they were likely to lose so if they're as good as i think they are, they probably already have something pretty well drafted up and just making changes based on what the appeals court opinion said yesterday but they should be ready to go here pretty

quickly. >> phil, the courts keep ruling against trump, he keeps appealing and as we said, this could go to the highest court. what are you hearing from trump world? how are they feeling about this? >> they're not pleased to see so many trump allies and former aides cooperating with the committee and seeing the committee getting a hold of these phone records and all of this other information they've gathered but in terms of the legal process, it is exactly how trump lawyers and trump world advisers have seen this playing out. they're trying to buy time. they're using the courts as a mechanism to delay ultimate cooperation decision and yesterday the ruling was not in the president's favor and not wholly unexpected and as pete laid out there, are additional steps to come. >> and part of the work ongoing, the committee met with four witnesses, not exactly household names to the average american. what do we know about what they

learned and do we know anything and what does it mean for the investigation's time line? >> that's right, first i should say that former president trump and his team have every skbengs of appealing this to the supreme court, they have every expectation that the supreme court will take that up, the trump spokesperson liz herringson put out a statement yesterday said regardless of the appeals court decision, this case was destined for the supreme court, and the president's duty to defend the office continues. and yesterday was a fruitful day for the committee, interviewing several witnesses, including multiple hostile witnesses, ali alexander, the former defense official who is roped up in this, kash patel and nbc news reports john eastman the conservative lawyer who wrote a memo that has been likened to a road map for a coup, and this is a committee getting to work, insisting they will try to talk to all of the witnesses they can, and they're using the threat of punishment, the threat of a criminal referral, as a deterrent to try to get these

people to cooperate. the committee says it's gotten valuable information, and liz cheney the republican on the panel said that president trump is trying to obstruct using legal tactics to do so and they won't let him do that. let's play a little bit of what one of the democrats in the committee, jamie raskin told our colleague yesterday about how it is going. >> everything is moving in our direction at this point. we're getting a really fine grained image of what was taking place. all of it is becoming clear youer to us. >> we will see what they do with that fine grain image and how quickly they can paint that for us. >> okay, so the committee will meet monday, right? they will decide how to move forward with mark meadows. what do we expect with that? >> we are expecting the committee to meet on monday, and vote quickly to hold mark meadows in contempt, to refer him to the justice department for criminal prosecution. after that will go to the full house of representatives which could vote as early as tuesday. they can do this done very

quickly and certify it by a u.s. attorney in washington and who will have the decision whether and when to prosecute mark meadows criminally. the precedent is steve bannon, it took a day or two for the full house of representatives to approve the contempt citation and took 22 days for a u.s. attorney to put out an impeachment which steve bannon is now battling in court. >> when you have folks like jeffery clark, roger stone, all pleading the fifth, how big of a challenge is it, and obviously, we heard jamie raskin yesterday and i saw that as it was happening and garrett pulled him over and obviously they had a good day yesterday, but overall, what's your sense of how they're feeling about this and how it's moving? >> well, obviously the committee members would like full cooperation and not having to make threats like this, and they would prefer to not have to have any votes to hold anybody in criminal contempt of congress. but that's not the way this investigation is proceeding. and to some degree, it can

potentially, over the long run, become helpful to the republican side, to have all of these votes, because it reinforces the republican argument that this is some sort of a partisan endeavor, the investigation, if you're going to end up having party line votes on whether to hold these hostile witnesses in contempt of congress, and so it's in the commit's interest, you know, which is a bipartisan committee led obviously, co-chaired by the republican, liz cheney, it's in their interest to use whatever tactics they can use behind the scenes to secure full cooperation and participation from these witnesses before having to hold anyone in contempt, and referring to the justice department, and creating a much more sort of publicly hostile and partisan environment around the investigation. >> phil rucker, loving your very festive holiday backdrop there. pete williams, thank you. thanks to all of you, sahil, thank you for being with us on this friday. while that investigation ramps up in washington. another one is picking up steam in new york. where the attorney general wants a deposition from former

president trump, less than a month from now, as part of a potential fraud probe into the trump organization. an hour after making that announcement, ag leticia james suspended her look at governor. isn't this interesting, david. realistically, let's start here, what are the odds that trump would actually show up and be questioned? >> i think low, that he would show up and be questioned without a fight. there's two investigations going on here. and that's the complicating factor. this effort by the attorney general to hold, to depose him is in a civil case, looking at his financial practice, the way he valued his properties, did he commit fraud. at the same time, there is a criminal investigation going on by the manhattan d.a., which the attorney general is also a part of, looking at sort of similar issues. and i think what trump's argument is going to be, look, you say this is a civil deposition, and part of the

civil investigation, but then you might take anything i say and turn around and use it against me in a criminal investigation. i think he will try to quash the subpoena on those ground, that's not a slam dunk but make that argument to delay the process a little bit. >> let's talk about the investigations one by one. tleticia james' numbers were lagging behind governor hochul's numbers in the race. what does it mean for the investigation? obviously she has deep knowledge of it. >> it is hard to read those tea leaves. you're right it is not that much of a surprise that she dropped out of the election. she was polling at 18%. now an incumbent, kathy hochul so she might have seen that and said look i can run a losing campaign and put a cloud over this big investigation, the high profile investigation of my career or drop the election, and

then focus on this as attorney general. and there will be possibly more like there will be a lawsuit and charges. >> let's talk about that manhattan d.a. case, criminally investigating the trump organization. what's the status of that? >> well, the manhattan d.a., cyrus advance, recently impanelled a new grand jury to consider and possibly vote on charges related to valuations of trump property. this is sort of a different set of allegations than the ones indicted last summer of trump's cfo. that was basically payroll tax fraud. these appear to be things like lying to profit tamp officers and to lenders. that investigation will continue, in the term of the new d.a., allen brag who won the election to replace vance. i don't expect any action before vance's term ends at the end of the year but charges may be

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has been days of high emotion from the witness stand, more testimony expected today in the manslaughter trial of former police officer who fatally shot dante wright during a traffic stop. wright's girlfriend taking the stand thursday describing her attempts to save him. >> i just remember trying to just get him up. i was the one there, trying to help him. trying to push on his chest. and calling his name. and he wouldn't answer me. >> let's go right to shaquille

brewster in minnesota. what a couple of days it has been, the mom, girlfriend, what are we expecting today? >> based on the courtroom conversations, we expect to hear from one other officer who was on the scene, sergeant johnson & johnson, on the passenger side -- sergeant johns on the passenger side of wright's vehicle and who kim potterfield fears would have been killed if she let daunte wright get back in the car and drive off. and we heard the powerful testimony of someone stating wright for three weeks or so but had incredible perspective on before and during and after shot. and she says things escalated quickly when wright got back in the car and crashed into another car. and it was that moment, and the body cam video, the dash cam video that you are looking at right there, it was that moment that prosecutors drilled down on with other witnesses yesterday, saying that those responding

officers to that crash didn't know basic information, for example, they didn't know daunte wright's condition and they didn't know that he was shot by an officer that was an accident and that crucial information was held by kim potter after and that behavior was reckless and in their words criminal. meanwhile you have kim potter through her defense attorney saying daunte wright's behavior, getting back in the car trying to evade police, that behavior contributed to the condition of what they say was an accident, and reached for her gun and yelled taser, taser, taser and fired that shot into his chest. we expect more of that testimony today. and as we enter next week. remember this trial is expected to last two weeks. and we do expect to hear kim potter take the stand at some point next week. chris? >> shaquille bruce brewster, we will be watching the case

through the day. actor jussie smollett now awaiting sentencing after the jury convicted him of five of six charges believing he did indeed stage a racist anti-gay attack on himself and lied to chicago police about it. meggen fitzgerald is in chicago. what is the sentencing and what is he facing? >> well, we know there is a presentencing hearing scheduled for the end of january and we suspect that smollett will be sentenced sometime in the beginning of next year. he faces up to three years in prison but legal analysts say that is not likely. he will probably get probation because he does have a clear record. the jurors have to comb through evidence, over the course of the seven-day trial, it took them two days, more than nine hours, to come to this guilty verdict, and the prosecution, from the very beginning, saying this is a hoax, this is a lie, and that smollett never wanted police to get to the bottom of the investigation, because of that, and that's the reason why he didn't cooperate with police.

they also said that he paid two brothers some $3500 to orchestrate the whole things. smollett of course, vocal at times, throughout the last two years, or so, maintaining his interference. but in the end, of course, jurors finding smollett guilty of five of those six counts, and i can tell you, for the chicago police department, this is vindication, because they have said just weeks after this attack took place, that smollett was lying, that this entire thing was a hoax. chris? >> meagan fitzgerald, thank you, and thank you for your coverage throughout the trial. in just hours, msnbc films will premiere the award-winning documentary "paper & glue" and takes us for a front row seat with french photographer and street artist jr as he collaborates with locals on powerful art installations in places like the u.s. mexican border. a slum in brazil. the high security prison in california. jr has gained an international following for week that defies

borders, race rules and upends the status quo. growing up in an immigrant family on the poor outskirts of paris, jr's first foray into art was graffiti. he expanded into photography, after finding a camera left behind at a train station. he eventually combined those two interests with a little inspiration from a friend, on his first oversized installation in france. >> so today, why don't you take a photo of me? >> everybody looked at it. you have a gun? you were there. it's not a gun. it's a camera that's your camera. it's crazy. one day of taking photos. all of these photos, then you don't know what to do with them. i looked and it was over a

billion. let's just do it. >> joining me now, the artist himself, the subject of his documentary, jr. thank you so much for being with us. congratulations. i don't know how you feel about it, i thought it was absolutely riveting. these unique collaborations with locals in the places that you visit, giving a global voice to every day people, i'm so curious what you discovered about making people feel seen in a world where they're almost overlooked, or disparaged. >> thanks for having me. i think when i was a kid, writing my name on the wall was a way to discover seen and heard and posting people's faces on wall, i would make them seen. and i realized it was something much more powerful, because of the fact that for anybody in the world, remember, i'm basically

looking at a generation, born in '83, that the digital part of the world, to make photography available, and flights around the world were very cheap and allowed me to travel around the world with very little money and i discovered the power of paper, the power of art, no matter if it is at the border, the border of mexico and u.s., or in the maximum security prison. >> can i talk about a couple of those things you mentioned, because the super max prison in california, an extraordinary project, you talked to several of the inmates there, and i want to play just a little bit of one clip. >> my name is kevin. i was a gang member. i put my whole life into what i was doing at the moment. really, i was just trying to people please other people. i knew that this wasn't what i wanted. but i was scared. i'm not the person you see. >> this documentary brings

humanity to people who have committed crimes, people who are im poverty, and, in poverty and don't want those things to define everything about who they are. what did they tell you about how your art, including them in this, this huge mural, for example, at the super max prison, meant to them? >> so, first of all, the person you're seeing here from that piece, his name is kevin, and there have been, you know, a lot of other inmates from different ethnicities interviewed, and different gangs and what he's saying, kevin there, and more on the instagram, you can see the interviews and on the film tonight, you see how we created a conversation with people, and why i was in prison. so the video you're seeing now, i was interviewing for my instagram and he was responding to people who were asking him why he has that swastika on his face and that was very powerful because he explained of course how he would love to remove it

and it was a mistake he did when he was in prison to be part of a gang to try to survive in there and he had the tattoos in prison and the more recent conversation with the inmates, literally last week, they were explaining how they could see behind his tattoo, while he was in there, because they knew the person that was in there, and i was asking, kevin, what do you think society would say when he came out and he actually said just last week, he's free now, he's out and the first thing he did was to go out and get his tattoo removed. so it's very powerful to understand, okay, how we as humans are ready to give someone a second chance, even when someone has a swastika, or had a swastika on his face, this was a big movement for me and it is something to appreciate, to push the boundaries that you would think we would never be able to push ever. >> and the documentary raises so many question, small big and big picture, and i was curious after watching it if he was ever going

to get that tattoo removeed so you just answered that question for me. there's another iconic front at the u.s./mexico border and i know take thousands if not tens of thousands of images but two of them are so powerful. that table that is made, that again, that you put the visual of those eyes on that table, and there, then there is this young child, huge, looking down, over the border wall. what did that dreamer and the young child represent? or what did you hope it would represent? >> well, you know, when i start a project, most of them are where first off, i hope i can do it, simple as that, we went there and we literally bill something on the mexican side without asking any permit, except asking the locals that live around the location. what is amazing to see is first of all, it was possible.

who knows how, i won't be able to explain it even today. but what was impossible, possible to build the table because it shows the road on the u.s. side, but the border patrol there that day, they decided to let it happen, and they only came at the end of the picnic, and you know, and actually, i had a chance to have tea with one of them, while i was on the mexican side, with cheers through the wall. i think that sent a very strong message to see those eyes, and to see that little kid, literally lives right there by the wall, in one of those houses that look every day to the world, but when you're one year old, you don't know what a wall is, you don't know what a fence means, due understand the fact that there's two sides, you don't understand the fact that there's two sides and all of these regulations, it is just a child, and that's what it meant and remember it is to raise question, not give answers, so i'm not trying to say that it

should be this way, i'm just reflecting on the world we live in and the places that i get to hear every day, on television, and that i sometimes want to go and see by myself, and invite people to do the same. >> the visuals are extraordinary. and the filmmakers did a remarkable job of capturing it all. jr, thank you. and i want to let everyone know that "paper & glue" premieres tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, we're going to to the nation's capitol where any minute the casket of the late senator bob dole will be moved to the national cathedral for a ceremony honoring his life and legacy. ceremony honoring his life and legacy th. keep dreaming. [coins clinking in jar] ♪ you can get it if you really want it, by jimmy cliff ♪ ♪ [suitcase closing] [gusts of wind] [gusts of wind]

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nominee, and for 27 years, a u.s. senator. yesterday he was prougt to the capitol who fought for bipartisanship while working on programs like the americans with disabilities act and food stamp expansion. our senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake joins me now. also with now, michael beschloss. good to have both of you here. garrett, president biden served alongside bob dole, knew him well. he'll be among the speakers at today's ceremony. what are we expecting? >> i expect we'll hear from the president, similar to remarks to what we heard yesterday, in which he lionized former senator dole as someone who is absolutely a fierce partisan. someone who is going to fight for what he believes, what his party believes, but someone that puts democracy and the country first. and dole really exemplified that ideal of service, of political service, from the time he was in

the military, all the way through his congressional career and long afterwards. but i think it's the idea that you can be so fiercely partisan, but set those things aside to put country first that will be a thematic element we heard from the president yesterday and again today. >> there is a lot to say about bob dole, his service in world war ii, his time in congress, but also about how he continued to serve long after he left political life. what would you expect to hear today? >> i think praise of dole as not only a great leader of congress, but someone who just as you said, chris, served his country for almost 80 years, both in war and in peace. i was thinking this morning, bob dole was lying in honor in the capitol rotunda. the first person to do that was in 1852. henry clay of kentucky, who served both in the senate and the house. clay was known as the great compromiser. made all sorts of compromises

that held this country together, not all of them wonderful, but especially those on slavery. but someone who was known for what james madison wanted of leaders of congress, which was to make deals across the aisle. eight years after clay died in 1852, we were in a civil war, clay was out of fashion. i hate to say it, but this morning, we're going to hear a lot of people praising bob dole and his way of politics, and how he was civil and made deals across the aisle to keep this country together, but i'm afraid that we are living in a country that disdains that matter of politics. >> yeah, garrett. you mentioned bob dole was both a tough partisan, but also represented that golden era of bipartisanship, what many believe is a bygone era, unlikely to return, garrett. >> well, chris, there's certainly no evidence it's coming back anytime soon. you look back over the work of

this last conference, you can point to the infrastructure bill, which got 19 republican votes in the senate. but none in the house as a pretty good example of this. bipartisanship in this congress is badly broken, and so much of that stems from the insurrection, from the lies told by the former president and the way that they have been embraced by some members of the republican party. it is going to be very, very difficult to sew this congress back together in a way like what i think we'll hear from senator biden, from former senator pat roberts, another kansas speaker who was a fierce partisan, who is expected to speak here today. >> it takes something like this, it seems, to get them together on the same page, as we see the leaders of both the house and senate, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, all standing there waiting for this movement of the

casket carrying the body of bob dole to be moved to the national cathedral. you know, michael, his story, bob dole's story is in many ways the american story. son of depression deprivation in kansas, i think he had a paper route there. he suffered those serious wounds in italy. and went on to become the senate majority leader. what is important about that part of his story and maybe part of that story that's less told. >> you know, i think the founders felt very strongly that this should become a country that you could become a leader even if you weren't born into a rich family or had a fancy education. harry truman was a great example of that and so was abraham lincoln and so was bob dole. if we were talking about him at the age of 1 or 2, many people would have bet against him.

they certainly would have bet against him after he became one of the last heroes of world war ii, injured badly in italy in april of 1945, lying in bed for almost four years, trying to recover from his injuries. but here's someone who may not have made every decision right, as we might have liked it, but at the same time, had enormous strength of character that loud him to serve his country for all of that time. >> and it is one of these moments, you know, michael, that brings, as we saw, the republicans and the democrats together to honor this man. the importance of having these ceremonies, the importance of honoring someone, by having them lie in state at the capitol, of bringing them to the national cathedral, of having people from both parties honor him, a republican, and as we've pointed out, several times, in many ways, a fierce partisan. the importance of this, in our national history, that is one

thing that continues. >> that's right, and we have very few ceremonies that really are intended to unite the nation. one of them, sadly, is official funerals. another is inaugurations. but look at what's happened, you know, the inauguration this year, which is supposed to be the peaceful transfer of power, donald trump did not show up, and he locked joe biden literally off the white house, who had to stand there for five minutes before coming in. the rotunda we think of as places where abraham lincoln lie in state and john f. kennedy and so many others did, but now we have to remember that also as the place where there was an insurrection on the 6th of january this year, almost cost us our democracy. so we always have to be fighting to prevent the forces of darkness that want to extinguish democracy, and at the same time remember that one duty that all of us have as americans is to try to bind this nation

together. >> michael beschloss and garrett haake, thank you so much, as we wait for that casket carrying the body of bob dole, from the place where he served for nearly three decades to take it to the washington national cathedral. jose diaz-balart is here to pick up our coverage right now. jose? >> and good morning. it is 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i am jose diaz-balart. right now, we are looking at capitol hill, the hears carrying the flag-draped casket of former senator bob dole. any minute now, it will arrive at the national cathedral, where friends and loved ones will pay their respects to the world war ii veteran. we will bring you live coverage of his funeral service later this hour. but first, the fda has just paved the way for millions of american teenagers to get that third dose of covid vaccine before christmas. we're also following the latest out of that tragic truck accide