mississippi, and tennessee. one of the strongest tornados potentially traveled over 200 miles from arkansas to kentucky. here's a look at the damage today in bowling green. weather officials have confirmed an ef-2 tornado hit there with winds up to 120 miles an hour. at least 70 people are believed to be dead in just the state of kentucky alone. however, officials say the final figure could end up being closer to 100. we've got some drone video to show you of the total devastation of a candle factory, this in mayfield kentucky believed to be one of the hardest hit areas. in just the last hour, kentucky governor andy beshear gave an update from that devastated city. >> this has been the most devastating tornado event in our state's history. and for those that have seen it, what it's done here in graves county and elsewhere, it is

indescribable. the level of devastation is unlike anything i have ever seen. it appears total and complete. here's some footage today of an amazon facility in illinois. that's where the roof of the building was ripped off and a 100 foot portion of a wall collapsed, at least two people are reported to have died and multiple others have been injured there in edwardsville just a bit near st. louis. an employee described that chaotic scene. >> when i went around to the back area, that was completely destroyed. it was debris all across the lake, the power loss, the majority of the cars, some of the amazon advance close to the lake, and it was just completely destroyed. >> in arkansas, at least one person is dead, fiver seriously injured at a nursing home. the facility saying they took a direct hit from a tornado there: governor asa hutchinson is

touring that damage in monette today. here's a look at some of the damage as tornados ripped through parts of missouri where at least one person was killed in st. charles county. now another look at the damage today in kingston springs tennessee, not too far from nashville. at least three people have been confirmed dead in the volunteer state. hundreds of thousands of people are grappling with power outages today and that includes more than 140,000 outages in just the state of tennessee right now. more than 80,000 outages in the state of kentucky. we've got a lot more now on the frightening scene, this in edwardsville, illinois, and also the intense search and rescue underway at an amazon warehouse. reporter ryan henson is there. we welcome you on this really difficult day. what's the latest where you are? >> reporter: well, since day break broke, really since last night, crews have been streaming in here trying to help clear some of the debris, clear some of the rubble. like you said, this is very much

a search and rescue mission, and the concern is really those people who are still unaccounted for. that wall you're looking at right there that's no longer there, that stretches about the length of a football field and those strong winds that came through our area last night ripped off the roof off of the building right there. so we have two confirmed fataliies like you mentioned, alex, and several injured to varying degrees, one person who had to be flown out of here to an area hospital in st. louis. police say they are still trying to get an official count of people who were in the building at the time. one problem that they're having is some workers left on their own accord, and police are in the process of trying to track them down now. here's one amazon worker at this facility out here. >> the front corner of the building was still intact, butt the back corner of the building onto the right side was caved in. so i waited in my van around like 30 minutes and then they told us to come inside to like a tornado shelter area, and from the tornado shelter area you

could kind of see into the warehouse, so from the station i was in, the back corner where i usually check in and grab my bag and stuff like that, keys for the van, all that was caved in. there was a bathroom over there, so that bathroom was gone. >> reporter: so we're deeply saddened by the news that members of our amazon family passed away as a result of the storm in edwardsville illinois, our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their loved ones and everyone impacted by the tornado. we ls want to thank all the first responders for their ongoing efforts on the scene. we're continuing to provide support for our employees and partners in the area. here's another message from area police. >> this will be an ongoing effort, like i said, to make sure that we account for everyone that we don't leave anybody behind, and, you know, that may take the rest of the morning. it may take the rest of the day. it may take two days. i do not know that answer at

this point. >> reporter: so illinois governor j.b. pritzker has already reached out to the mayor of edwardsville here, which is about 20 miles northeast of st. louis, missouri. the governor says he's issuing all support that is needed. the mayor says this cleanup effort could take a couple of days. i'll send it back to the studio. alex. >> hey, ryan, so i have a question. i was listening to thomas, the amazon employee you interviewed there. he talked about being in his car for half an hour, which made me wonder, these two fatalfatalitio you know whether or not they were in the area that collapsed of the building? might they have been outside? has that been clarified at all? >> reporter: no, in the press conference earlier this morning, police didn't clarify exactly where the folks were in the building. they didn't clarify exactly if people were inside or outside. they did say that they guessed mate about 50 people were at the facility at the time, going back to the fact that they don't know exactly who left and who stayed

after first responders started showing up. so still trying to clarify the numbers and exact locale of where people might be located. they did say a lot of the damage, though, happened on the south side of the building. >> okay, ryan henson of ksdk. thank you so much for that breaking news report. we appreciate you. joining me storm chaser mike gordon. mike has been assessing the damage in missouri and kentucky for us. mike, give me an update of where you are and what you're seeing now that it's daylight. >> currently i'm in mayfield, kentucky. the -- a lot has changed since last night. they've really started moving in here cleaning up the roads, so people can travel back and forth. i know the search and rescue efforts are still ongoing there at the candle factory. i was down there a little while

ago, and i believe that's going to go on for some time. there's -- i mean, there's just debris everywhere, and it's going to take a long time to get it cleaned up. it just scatters for miles and miles and across all of the roads there's power lines down everywhere. it just -- people are starting to go through some of their homes that were damaged or destroyed, and pick up their belongings. i have started to notice that. i mean, it seems like the families here are in good spirits are from what i've noticed. and it somewhat brings peace of mind, yes, it's very sad what happened, but they -- a lot of them were out there, you know,

enjoying theirselves, and i mean thank god that they're okay. it kind of -- other than that, there's -- i can step out here of my truck and show you just kind of where i'm at. so i'm over here by the water tower. this looks like to be almost a brand new water tower, completely collapsed. as you can see, almost every tree in the area is damaged, and the damage doesn't really stop. this is about a mile away from the candle factory. to the east, everything almost

looks the same throughout mayfield on the south side. >> yeah, mike, i hear the wind a little bit out there. what's been absolutely extraordinary is watching drone video from above that we've been seeing, you know, live. and you see people driving their cars down these streets, you know, respecting the intersection, stopping there, but there is nothing but rubble for them to drive past. that certainly looks present in everything you're showing us there, but i have to ask you, as you were taking pictures last night, you were watching the storm up close. what was that like, how loud was it? how frightened were you? how close were you? give me a sense of what you saw? >> well, it was pretty

terrifying. it really didn't hit me until after the tornado came across the highway in front of me and i noticed how large it was. i didn't expect to be -- i wasn't planning to be that close to it for one and it -- when i rolled down my window, it was like sucking me -- it's like it sucks all of the air right out of the vehicle. it was just -- and the roar was very intense. it was -- i mean, that's all i could hear. the tornado sirens went away. i mean, they were -- the roar of the -- i mean, you could hear like crackling, snapping, and

where it was traveling there was more through an open field, so i believe, you know, that might be the debris in the air, but it was so loud it wasn't just a roar, but there was pops and cracks and different things going along as that thing traveled across. >> so michael, tell me how this works because we are looking at your video as well. you are in the dark of night, and the only thing that's going to allow you, aside from maybe the audio, but the video of a back lit sort of lightning strike will show you exactly where that tornado is relative to where you are and how big it is. i mean, at what point do you get the hell out of there? >> i try and stay as safe as possible while, you know, when going after these types of

storms i have three children as well, so i mean, i want to be around as long as possible, so you know, i take precautions when i'm entering into these types of situations. i see them on radar. i notice them on radar. i got a little better idea of where they're at, but then i try and pinpoint them, yes, within the lightning. a lot of times these storms are rain wrapped, and if you look at one of the videos you can see that it was completely rain wrapped in the beginning. i don't know what video it was, but there is video there that you can see as it crosses i-55, you see a lot of rain around the north side of the tornado, and as it got further north closer

to me, it looked like that started to dissipate, and that moisture dissipated within the tornado. i can't confirm that, but as -- after it passed, you see more of a direct funnel type cloud wedge. >> yeah, yeah. >> and then as it gets farther away it turns into more of like a stove pipe. >> it is -- >> and gets skinnier. >> i mean, it is absolutely extraordinary what you do, mike, these pictures that you've brought to us are extraordinary. i'm so glad you're safe. and we may check in again with you during this broadcast to see an update from your perspective on where things stand today. it's extraordinary video, and mike, you've got three kids so i don't need to remind you to stay safe and thank you so much for your time. >> all right, thank you. >> we're going to bring in our nbc meteorologist right now,

michelle grossman, i mean, one heck of a night, and this is not over yet. we've still got storms coming our way. >> yeah, we still have a cold front moving through these really warm air masses, and it was a tough night for many, so i mean, specifically speaking about the mayfield tornado, we're talking about devastation, deadly, historical and just really unusual. i mean, these storms usually happen typically in the spring, maybe late fall, october, early november, but for december and two weeks from christmas, to see this type of system move through, it's really unheard of. so let's talk about the overall outbreak and then we'll move specifically to the super cell. so we saw 32 tornado reports. that doesn't mean 32 tornados, but it means reports. they move through towns and we see the reports, surveys go in. they tell us how many tornados go through. it's going to be a couple of days before we get the whole picture on this. as we zoom in closer on this super cell that mike was just talking about, this stretched

and tracked for 250 miles. i mean, typically when you have a tornado, a big, strong tornado, it will go a quarter mile, maybe a half mile. maybe five miles in some spots, but not 250 miles. also, the survey -- the damage survey, did it lift up? did it drop back down or stay on the ground the entire time? that's going to be super unusual and probably will land us in the longest tracking tornado. let's start in arkansas because that's where we saw the first warning, and that was around 5:20 yesterday, and then backing up even further, the storm prediction center sent out these alerts two days before. i think we started talking about it late wednesday into thursday that we knew a pretty big system was going to be coming. that was alerted on thursday, and then yesterday that was an enhanced risk. by yesterday we saw it moved up to a moderate risk. that's one of the highest. the news was out that this was going to be a pretty big outbreak. it was a pretty big outbreak, no matter how much warning you have, some of this is unfortunately unsurvivable. we went from arkansas through

missouri through tennessee and then eventually into kentucky, 250 miles. time wise that first tornado warning, that's when those sirens go off, the whistles go off. it's sort of that notice of you need to get in your safe spot. that was at 5:50. for the next several hours, that final tornado warning was at 12:20. so that's a really long time. and like mike mentioned, it was under the dark of night, nocturnal tornados are very dangerous, so that's unusual too. tornado warning for mayfield, that was at 9:05. that was 30 minutes before the tornado actually hit. that's where those bells and whistles are going off. then a tornado emergency, we don't really talk about this too much because we don't normally see them issue, but in fact eight were issued last night. a tornado emergency is relatively new over the past few years, and that's sort of the notice of hopefully you're in your safe spot but a life-threatening weather event is about to move through your

town. that was at 9:27. that was three minutes before the tornado actually moved through. there was that notice but i can't imagine that fear that was invoked in people and what they felt, you know, was going to happen in the next three to five minutes. so as we went through, we had many, many warnings. we actually just had our tornado watch drop. that was a half hour ago. our last recent warning just dropped about 15 minutes ago. so we are in the clear in terms of that. so when this all wraps up and we see that survey damage, aex, i think we're going to see an ef-4 or ef-5. it's hard to speculate until we really get in there. looking at those pictures that mike showed us that we're seeing all over the place, it does look likely it could be an ef-4 if not an ef-5. >> well, the pictures would certainly back it up if it indeed is categorized as such. you've got a busy day ahead. we'll see you again. thank you so much. let's go from there now to nbc's lauren eagan in

wilmington, delaware with new reaction from the president. i'm guessing a federal disaster area should be declared at some point soon. is that what you're hearing? >> reporter: that's right, alex, we know that the president was briefed earlier this morning by his fema administrator as well as other members of his team on these deadly tornados. the white house said they are rapidly deploying fema personnel to the hardest hit areas by these storms as well as other essential goods such as water. in a tweet earlier today, the president said, quote, to lose a loved one in a storm like this is an unimaginable tragedy. he went on to say that he was working with governors to ensure that they have what they need as the search for survivors and damage assessments continue. the white house is also telling us that the president is going to continue to be briefed here in wilmington throughout the day as we learn more about just how severe this damage is, alex. >> okay, white house from delaware, certainly keeping an eye on this closely as are you

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now for a look at some of the other top stories we're following today, including new reaction from president joe biden to a government report showing prices have risen nearly 7% over this past year.

it is the biggest one-year surge since the early 1980s. the president seemingly confident the worst will soon be over. >> i think you'll see a change sooner, quicker, more rapidly than it will take than most people think. every other aspect of the economy is racing ahead, it's doing incredibly well. we've never had this kind of growth in 60 years, but inflation is affecting people's lives. >> on capitol hill, the house committee investigating the january 6th attack issuing six new subpoenas overnight including two former white house aides who the panel says met with donald trump days before the insurrection. and at this hour, memorial services for former senator bob dole are underway as the senator makes one final trip to his home state of kansas. it comes after two days of somber ceremonies in the nation's capitol honoring the iconic republican including tributes from tom hanks and president biden who called dole

a hero of democracy. plus, new comments from congresswoman ayanna pressley today on her resolution condemning lauren boebert's anti-muslim comments. >> we need to send a strong and strident message on stripping lauren boebert of her committees, that this is unacceptable. it's unconscionable, it is dangerous, and we will not stand for it. >> joining me now is colorado congressman, jason crow a democratic member of the small business committee. good to have you back on the broadcast. republican leadership, as you know, has been reluctant to condemn boebert's anti-muslim comments against congresswoman ilhan omar. let's take a listen to what minority whip steve scalise had to say about the matter this week. >> do you believe that representative boebert islamophobic comments were wrong? >> if you look at what lauren boebert said, she came back and apologized, and i do think this

gets lost too often. we've had members on both sides that have said things that we disagree with. i don't know if i've seen a time where a democrat's apologized for their statement. lauren apologized for what she said. >> okay, but he still did not answer the question, do you see it as wrong. however, the way he did express it, sir, do you see it that way? why do you think there is an apparent unwillingness by republicans to see this for what it is? >> thanks for having me on, alex: first of all, there's been no republican leadership on the other side. there's been silence, complicity and the moment they have an opportunity to actually own this and show leadership, instead they turn it back on the victim of this rhetoric and try to blame some of my colleagues who have been victimized by this rhetoric. so there's no leadership, and the reason for that is very clear. this is all about politics for them. they don't want to lead. they don't want to govern. they don't want to try to move our political discourse in a positive direction and move us

beyond the toxicity and the vitriol that's been coursing through our country. all they want to do is win elections, and they're willing to do anything they need to do to win elections. so from my perspective, i'm not going to allow that to happen. i represent a very large muslim community, one of the most diverse communities in the country, certainly in the state of colorado, and when people attack my constituents, when they say things that actually are not words but actually have danger, pose danger to my community, i'm going to speak up and push back on that. that's exactly what i continue to do. >> yeah, what about congresswoman ayanna pressley's resolution to strip lauren boebert, your fellow coloradans by the way, committee assignments do you support that? >> i do support that. i think ie a na's doing the right thing here. this is something i had to think

about. it was very clear to me there had to be some consequence to lauren boebert's actions, not just with regard to ilhan who's a friend of mine and somebody who i want to make sure i'm standing beside and with, but to the muslim community that i also represent because this is not just about words and rhetoric. listen, i'm willing to have a policy discussion. i'm willing to have debates all day long. that's what this country is all about. this is about a marketplace of ideas and having discussions and trying to arrive at a good solution, but that's not what's going on here. what's going on here are dog whistles or even outright rhetoric that incite violence. people get hurt as a result of words like this. people are getting killed, violence, there's aggression against communities of color, against the muslim community, against the jewish community because people in position of power say irresponsible, vitriolic and dangerous things and it has to stop. >> in terms of stopping this

particular incident or at least making some accountability for it is unclear whether speaker pelosi's going to take any action on the resolution. she said it's up to republican leaders to punish the unacceptable behavior of their members. as we've seen, kevin mccarthy doesn't do anything about it, so what do you think will happen? >> what's going to happen is we're going to continue to talk to our colleagues and get co-sponsors for this resolution. the more cosponsors we can get, the more momentum we can get behind this effort, it is helpful for us, and it shows that there is support to push back on this type of rhetoric. that's what we'll continue to do. i'll continue to speak up like i am right now in letting my community know, colorado know and the country know that there's a lot of elected officials who are not willing to let this pass without some consequence. so that's my view, and i continue to talk to the leadership, and i continue to talk to my colleagues and let them know that's my position. >> okay, and we are hearing you on that position loud and clear, congressman. thank you for that. let's go to the january 6th attack on the capitol, there's a federal appeals court that has

ruled former president trump cannot stop the house select committee from accessing hundreds of documents that were created while he was in office. of course his lawyers are next expected to file an emergency appeal with the supreme court. this whole fight, sir, is over documents from the national archives. how vital might these be to the committee's goal of getting to the bottom of what led up to january 6th? >> well, they could be very vital, alex in the fact that trump and his lawyers and his enablers fight this so hard actually tells us that there's probably something there that they don't want us to see. the harder they fight it, usually that's an indication that there's something there that's not good for them. so we're going to continue to push. this is exactly why we formed the 1/6 committee, why they have subpoena power, why we continue to vote to hold people in contempt who are not complying with the subpoenas because that's the role of congress to hold the executive branch accountable.

listen, we're coming up on the one-year anniversary of january 6th. as you know, it was one of those numbers that was trapped in the house gallery for a time surrounded by that mob, by those insurrectionists. we have to be really clear as we come up on that one-year anniversary what happened a year ago. what happened was donald trump, who does not believe in american democracy and puts himself before the vote of the people, did not like the result of the election, so he called and incited a mob to attack the united states capitol to overturn that election and stop the certification of the right to vote. that's what happened, and police officers died. police officers were brutally beaten, and came very close to having that certification stopped. they failed, we went forward and prevailed at the end. that effort continues. it's not over, and we have to make sure that we're resolved to make sure that we're stopping it however it comes up. >> you mentioned the contempt charges specifically from mark meadows. i think that will go to the house on tuesday. will you vote for that?

and then here's the real question, will that be an effective deterrence to others and say you better cooperate with the committee because thus far it does not seem like there has been a lot of effective deterrence. >> i will vote for that, alex, and there has to be consequence to this. you know, if the separation of powers, if the balance of powers that is so essential to the operation of our democracy and the survival of our democracy is to work, then congress has to have power and has to build and enforce its oversight of the executive branch. that is what's at stake here. if we issue subpoenas, if we call witnesses, if we try to prevent, abuses, violations of the law, violations of the constitution by donald trump or any president for that matter, and they simply ignore it, then it loses all meaning. that separation loses all meaning and we can't serve as that exec on the executive branch. i'm not willing to let that happen, my colleagues are not willing to let that happen.

until we impose real consequence on folks in the way of criminal contempt. until people start going to jail who are unwilling to actually comply with the rule of law and with the law as it's written, then you know, we got to continue to pose those consequences. i'm a firm believer in making sure we do everything that's necessary to uphold rule of law, to uphold the constitution, and assert the authority of the united states congress. >> congresswoman, last question, i want to get your thoughts on a new "axios" article, and it's titled "inside trump's hunt for disloyal republicans." sources close to the president are telling "axios" trump and his associates are systematically reshaping the republican party working to install hand picked loyalists across federal and state government and destroy those he feels have been disloyal. how concerning is this for you? i mean, is there a legit sna r owe of trump heading into a 2024 election with more state officials willing to do his bidding and is there anything

that could be done to stop this? >> alex, this is not a legit scenario. this is what trump is attempting to do in broad daylight. it's his plan. and you know, there's this powerpoint that recently came out in the public when they were literally after the election they were distributing a powerpoint presentation, members of congress, to people in the government that was a blueprint for how to overturn our democracy. donald trump doesn't believe in democracy. he believes only in himself. and he wants to purge anybody who isn't 100% loyal. that is undemocratic. it's un-american, and it's a danger to our system and to the american people. that's what's going on, and he's trying to replace election officials that have loyalty to him instead of to the constitution and instead of to the free and open vote of the american people. that's what we have to be honest is going on here.

it's an extreme danger. we're entering -- we continue to be in and enter even more dangerous territory, and it's important that we're vigilant and honest about it and we stand up against it. >> all right, congressman jason crow, i appreciate your candor and your focus on all this. keep going and come see us again soon. many thanks. so we're awaiting another update from the governor of kentucky on that spree of tornados that's believed to have killed at least 70 people if not more. we're going to have more from the region next. to have more fr the region next. (judith) in this market, you'll find fisher investments is different than other money managers. (other money manager) different how? don't you just ride the wave? (judith) no - we actively manage client portfolios based on our forward-looking views of the market. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions, right? (judith) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest. (other money manager) so when do you make more money? only when your clients make more money? (judith) yep, we do better when our clients do better.

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a massive search and rescue effort underway right now after tornados ripped through the south and the midwest, at least 36 tornados are believed to have touched down, and right now at least 70 people have been killed, thousands remain without power. let's go to nbc's morgan chesky

with more. >> reporter: more than 100 people were inside a candle factory when the tornado ripped through mayfield, kentucky. >> the only thing standing was the bathroom and the hall. >> reporter: now kentucky officials believe this storm was one of the most severe in the state's history. the powerful twister demolished the monette manor nursing home in arkansas, trapping 20 people inside overnight. at least one person is reported dead and five seriously injured. a massive emergency response rushed to the site and were able to bring the rest of the residents out safely. a second nursing home in truman was damaged. power lines down there, the roads still blocked. >> the nursing home is hit. >> reporter: still more damage in leechville as the twister cut 100 mile long path diagonally through northeast arkansas. powerful winds swept through illinois too shredding an amazon warehouse and trapping dozens of workers in edwardsville.

the fire department reports multiple injuries. anxious relatives fought through the storm to reach the sea. >> it was lightning bad, we lost power for about two hours now, and then my phone died so it was like i had no idea what's going on, and i'm -- we're just worried sick. >> it's a frightening place to be. that was nbc's morgan chesky reporting there. a horrifying reminder of the lengths people will go to to find a new life here in the united states, we're going to talk about this and the decision to put a controversial policy back in place. ontroversial poli back in place. (vo) t-mobile for business helps small business owners prosper during their most important time of year. when you switch to t-mobile and bring your own device, we'll pay off your phone up to $1000. you can keep your phone. keep your number. and get your employees connected on the largest and fastest 5g network. plus, we give you $200 in facebook ads on us! so you can reach more customers, create more opportunities, and finish this year strong. visit your local t-mobile store today.

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officials say the victims appear to be from guatemala. the mexican government says it would offer humanitarian visas to survivors and cover funeral and repatriation costs for those killed. joining me now, julian, a friend to us here, this was brutal. these images, julian, so disturbing but they help drive the point home that migrants literally are taking their lives in their hand just to make this trip. >> they absolutely do, alex. i mean, it was a very, very powerful reminder, another one of their desperation of the long dangerous journey that they make, and over the years we've seen these kinds of tragedies happen not only in places like key awe pas, which borders -- is at the guatemala, mexico border, but also our border with mexico and in texas and in other states in the interior of the country.

we've seen in boxcars of trains, we've seen it in these cargo trucks and 18 wheelers where folks are being smuggled. this is a miserable journey. one of the most important things that was brought to life in the interviews with some of the survivors was the why. many of these were other people, they said we're looking for the american dream. these are folks that out of desperation are leaving places like guatemala and other northern triangle countries trying to seek a better life in the united states like generations of people from different places have over the years, but it certainly is tragic. the other thing that it points out, alex, is how important the work that the biden administration is doing with these northern triangle countries and with mexico to address the underlying causes of that migration. you know, the recently there's been some press about vice

president harris and this obsession with things like whether she prefers blue tooth or not. really what they should be focusing on is the work she's doing with these countries to make sure that people have safety and opportunity at home so they don't have to make that dangerous journey to the united states. and we can prevent tragedies like this and so many others that they encounter. >> yeah, definitely, this is something that she's spearheading, and again, she spent time there talking with leaders from the different countries there in the golden triangle. let me ask you about recently the biden administration's moves having returned its first -- i think there were two migrants under the remain in mexico policy. some democrats have objected to this. how about you? what's your thinking on this? should the administration have fought harder to avoid this? >> well, they did try and get rid of the program, and then they were ordered by a federal court to put it back into place. that took some time, and you know, they have said that they've tried to improve the

program by exempting people who were formerly part of it, specifically elderly and disabled individuals and also working with people across the border, organizations across the border in mexico to ensure that people are more safe there. but at the end of the day, you know, it's an inhumane program, and never should have started in the first place. and unfortunately, the biden administration also expanded the scope of who can be sent over to mexico to wait while they have an asylum claim. it used to be that only people from spanish speaking countries were eligible for remain in mexico. now they've expanded that to everybody in the western hemisphere, including patients. that's a head scratcher and that is disappointing. they didn't have to do that. they went above and beyond the court order, so they're really sending out mixed messages about their intentions here. >> okay. i'm sure you want to get to the

bottom of that and ask a few questions yourself. let me ask you about this wall street journal poll, which shows that hispanic voters in a hypothetical 2022 vote are evenly split with a margin of error of around seven percentage points. this was taken by a democratic pollster. do these numbers reflect what you are hearing? >> i'm skeptical that the numbers are that close. this was a very small sample size, about 165 people. that's why the margin of error is so huge. you know, usually you see these polls and the margin of error is 30 or 40 points. this was like over 13 points. i would take this with a huge grain of salt. however, it's also not unlike other polling that is done of the latino community or other groups. a lot of them share this defect in them. so i do think that it is a cause for concern. we know that in 2020 trump and the republicans did better with

some latinos than people expected. what that means for democrats going into 2022 is that we can't take anything for granted. there has to be a 365 day 24/7 push to register latinos to speak to them about what matters and get the vote out. >> brian striker told the "new york times" that democrats have a branding problem. he says people think dems are coming across they're too focused on social issues and he says the number one issue for black women and latina voters, it's the economy. he's not advocaing for ignoring social issues but voters actually all want to hear about the economy and things to help them out economically. is this fair? are democrats falling into a tenor of a socialist trap? >> i don't think so. in fact, democrats are very focused on the economy. i mean, that has been the lion's share of what the biden

administration has been focused on. more importantly, not just talking about it, but taking steps to improve the economy. right now the economy is doing a lot better than it was a year ago, a lot better under democrats than it was under trump and republicans. and investments like the american rescue plan, the infrastructure deal, and hopefully soon build back better are going to have a real concrete positive impact on people's lives. so yes, we have to focus on the economy, we have to talk about that. we have to, you know, make sure that people understand and give credit to biden and democrats for everything that has been tone and will be done by 2022, but also, you can't forget that people don't live their lives in a silo. they're also concerned about quote, unquote social issues because those are things that they live each and every day when my home state of texas, for instance, starts banning books or saying that based on your identity, you know, you can play sports or not play sports, that

affects real people, and democrats have always been about making sure that everybody can thrive in this country. we have to remain committed to that. we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> okay, julian castro, you definitely can do that and chat with us. thank you so much. we'll look forward to seeing you again. so you might say it sounds crazy. congressman matt gaetz's idea for who should be the next house speaker. i mean, should it be taken seriously? our strategists weigh in next. one idea on who you think it is. yeah. you think it is. yeah at progressive, we love your pets as much as you do, like this guy in a hat. that's why progressive car insurance covers your pets for up to $1,000 if they're ever in a car accident with you. this mini majorette's gonna march her way right into your heart. -i'm sorry. can we stop? i know that we're selling car insurance here,

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comeback. >> if i were a betting person right now i'd say trump is going to run again. i want people to understand that this is a make or break point. >> joining me now adrian ed el rod, democratic strategist and former senior aide to the biden harris campaign, and shermichael singleton. welcome back. let's do this again. adrian, you first, i'm wondering what you think of what your former boss had to say there. i assumed this is something she is not taking lightly. >> yeah, you're exactly right, alex. i mean, we certainly learned in 2016 that you've got to take donald trump seriously and that has not changed over the course of the last five years. she's exactly right. i mean, i think there's, you know, a very decent chance that donald trump runs again. right now poll after poll shows he is the front runner in the republican party. if he were to run for president, he would likely clear the field or at least dominate the field and would be the next nominee. she's right, you know, to raise

those warning flags and for us to all take a potential donald trump comeback very seriously. >> i listened to the words of john kelly, john bolton, michael cohen who know donald trump very well and they say no way he's going to run because he doesn't want to risk losing. that said, running in 2024 is not the only talk of a trump comeback this week. in particular congressman matt gaetz said he's talked to donald trump about this scenario making the former president speaker of the house if republicans win a majority in 2022. what's your reaction to that? is that even in the republicans' best interests? is it in donald trump's best interests? >> i mean, first of all, that's not even constitutional because the former president would have to run, be elected as a member of congress, then be voted by the majority of the party. donald trump has no interest in running for congress. i don't think donald trump has any interest in being speaker of the house. it's a difficult job, alex. you have to understand the various machinations of the house. it's complicated, as we have seen under democratic and

republican leadership. i think matthew gaetz is trying to make some news as he typically does. i am not playing a lot of attention to this. i don't think any person who's a serious student of politics or history should give matthew gaetz much credibility on this issue. >> i'm going to agree with that, so we're going to move on. adrian, one democratic pollster wrote a memo to the party that says, quote, if our most effective message in 2022 is that republicans equal trump, we're going to get creamed. do you agree with that? i mean, wouldn't it be more effective for democrats to not focus on donald trump and instead run on their legislative accomplishments, how much trump fatigue from all angles is out there and that includes reasonable republicans. >> first of all, i want to say something really quickly about trump being speaker. the thing we've got to keep in mind is you don't have to be a member of congress to be the speaker of the house. that is a real possibility. i mean, i can't imagine a

scenario where that happens. if republicans take back the house, that certainly is a possibility, especially by the far right wing of the party that supports trump. back to how democrats should posture themselves and focus on trump, i mean, the bottom line is we've got to continue to focus on what the american people want. those kitchen table issues that folks talk about every night among their families. rising gas prices, you know, the rising cost of child care, things of course that the build back better act once it's signed into law will have a dramatic impact on and will really help american families, we cannot focus all on trump. i think to an extent you saw that happen in the virginia governor's race. terry mcauliffe is a very dear friend of mine. i think the overall party apparatus was so focused on making glenn youngkin donald trump, and what virginia voters wanted to hear really what the governor or the future governor was going to do for them. i think we've got to make sure that we are obviously running a

contrast campaign that's very important to what, you know, any kind of campaign that you're showing a contrast with your opponent, but you've also going to to talk about what you're going to do for the american people and their families. that's an important thing that democrats have to keep in mind in 2022 and going into 2024. >> absolutely. hey, real quickly to you shermichael on this one regarding the congressman thomas massie christmas card which drew backlash, the holiday photo of his family holding guns with the caption, santa please bring ammo. the timing was just dag after the michigan school shooting that left four students dead. now you have congresswoman lauren boebert with her even younger children. there's one kid that the gun looks bigger than that child. they're posing around the christmas tree. shermichael, i know you're a gun rights guy, but you have to draw the line somewhere, right? these are children, the timing of it seems in very poor taste. >> yeah, alex, i can understand how people would say god, guys, come on, i don't think the timing is good on this. growing up in the south, i think

i got my first rifle at maybe 6 or 7. my grandfather taught my brother and myself how to shoot. my sisters were quickly behind us. that's sort of a normal tradition of anyone who grew up in the south to be quite honest. were we taking pictures and putting them on postcards, no we were not. you know and the viewers know we're all living in this viral shock moment. everyone's trying to get more tweets, more re-tweets, everyone wants to be in the news headlines. that's really what this was, members of congress wanting to get their supporters riled up, is and quite honestly have us talking about it. i do think as a matter of firearm tradition and firearm safety starting kids out responsibly while younger is important, particularly if you have firearms in the home. and i don't think we want reckless parents similar to what we saw in michigan to the point that you raise, but time and -- the timing is not good. >> okay, thank you so much. good to see you. it is a devastating region in the wake of a series of

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