surely, if that's the way they do politics, you sort of have to. >> i agree, i think adam newsom is doing thing that are pretty clever, one, using the politics in texas that are, quite honestly, pandemic in this country, mass shootings. so it's quite brilliant on his part to use that loophole to go after gun manufactures. i think there are questions about the legality of it but that may work in his favor, because it may put pressure on texas and the justices who now see the loop hole he has identified in california going after gunrights and makers and sellers whether that will apply in texas. it may kick the justices into gear saying wait, if we see this play out in california we have to stop it there and force them to do the same in texas. >> i think the supreme court has

no problem being inconsistent and allowing the texas law, not only the california law, but i think the politics of this is brilliant and gavin newsome is someone to watch, do something many democrats struggle with this year, beat a republican and we don't pay as much attention to gavin newsom as we prach should. >> mahdi, thank you so much, enjoy the rest of your evening. starting with the latest devastating news in kentucky, 80 lives have been lost. fears that it could be even more as we begin to understand just how devastating these storms are. nbc's allison barber in dawson springs. >> reporter: about 70,000 people live in dawson springs and parts of this community and you can see, it's totally gone. you can see how far-reaching the

devastation is in this community. roofs missing, walls collapsed, cars thrown about. this morning and afternoon, search and rescue teams moved throughout the area trying to find people still unaccounted for. some families are now sorting through what's left of their belongings. we've seen neighbors helping neighbors, often through tears. devastation for the lives lost, and fear for those still missing. >> we lost three neighbors. and, i mean, material things, that can all be replaced but our lives. we're so blessed to be alive. very blessed. >> reporter: this is tina's home. right now, she says the only way to describe dawson springs is devastation. back to you. >> some heartbreaking images. thanks to nbc's allison barbara for that report. lots more breaking news for you this hour.

in dc, january 6 committee released a report holding former trump chief of staff mark meadows in contempt of court. committee comes ahead tomorrow night, joined by barbara, nbc analyst, law professor, thank you for joining us. first, tell us a little about what we know in terms of what's in this report and what happens next? >> well, it's a very detailed report, ayman. 51 pages, and the committee went to great pains to list all of the steps they have gone through in their efforts to accommodate mark meadows and all the arguments that they have against his assertion of executive privilege. they make a very strong case about why he should be held in contempt, so what they plan to do is present this to the entire house which would have to vote to hold mark meadows in contempt and they instead to do that tomorrow. >> so barbara, my question, yesterday evening i talked to

representative ted lou, he believes congress should go to inherent content, can you talk about that that means and the process right now? his concern is times, believes republicans like mark meadow and see others who are denying information to congress are stalling with the hope that republicans can take over congress, excuse me, after the midterms and effectively kill the january 6 commission so he wanted to see congress move to inherent content. talk to us about what that means and what are the repercussions of that. >> it's a very interesting idea and i don't disagree that congress should really flex its inherent contempt muscles. the basis of inherent contempt is that congress, as a body, as a coequal branch of government, has the authority to enforce its own subpoenas, it doesn't have to run to a court to ask a court to hold someone in contempt. it can issue on its own. they issue a subpoena, if someone fails to respond to

that, they can take the issue on themselves. the issue of inherent contempt, it's rarely used so rife with peril and risk, but it could be the right method, also the slowest method. if there is a challenge to the inherent content power, this might not be the right case to lead with it, because of further delay. they're going with the same path they did with bannin. it does require a separate investment in charges, so in some way, sort of out sourcing to the justice department. >> there's this other issue i wanted to ask you about meadow and see what we're learning about. it involves a meeting he reportedly had with, i believe, a former military colonel to discuss options for january 6 in the lead-up to the insurrection. what might that mean to the

investigation. is that a point of significance, you think, from a legal perspective? >> i think it is, i mean the reports are the military colonel is the person advocating for this powerpoint presentation that talks about how the whole plot can be used to undermine the outcome of the election, so most certainly, the committee is interested in asking him questions on what happened in that meeting. i think what it all comes down to is did they understand these were fraudulent strategies and did they, nonetheless, seek to undermind the outcome of the election anyway. and looking at these documents only can the committee begin to understand those facts so i think it's one more piece that suggests he should come testify. it's also important, ayman, to note that when he's talking to people outside the white house, the idea of executive privilege still does not apply. >> thank you so much, barbara, i'll let you answer that phone

call. it happens on live tv. thank you for joining us with the breaking news analysis. after 11 months, still left searching for answers about what happened on january 6th and the days leading up to it and despite this unprecedented attack on our democracy, there is still a terrifying lack of accountability on what actually happened that day almost a year later. zero in on three different narratives here. we know those who actually caused the insurrection, trump and his allies hiding and avoiding responsibility. and then there are those who stormed the capital and infiltrated our justice system, but let's talk about those who bank rolled the attack on democracy and what happened to them, the one whose actually took on the bill, you know, for transport, hotel expenses for the thousands who actually showed up that day in january. why aren't they facing consequences or scrutiny? take, for example, julia

pancelli the daughter of the founder of the grocery store chain, said to have paid at least a $600,000 role and she's just one of many, not just people but organizations too, a bizarre component i bet you didn't expect but would be surprised to hear. yeah, that guy. reuters reporting this week, that election worker ruby freeman pressed to confess to fake charges that that she had medaled in the election. also seeking accountability, social media companies, but not the ones you would think.

collecting evidence from facebook, youtube, parlor, but no significant case files highlighting the mountains of messages discussing tactics on the reddit thread turned social media site "the donald," many users discussing plans for gallows and how to transport the materials needed including secretly bringing firearms into the district despite dc's weapons ban. and the last piece of this puzzle, why did all these people end up here in the first place? a topic i investigate in my new podcast, american radical, where i explore the life of a woman from my hometown who died during the insurrection. it actually led me to ask how on earth, q-anon conspiracy theories became real life matters where people lost their lives. lots to discuss this hour, ben collins, signier reporter

nbc news, tubman, senior editor insider and liz plank, editor and columnist of the man enough podcast. i'd like to begin, early on, collectively, as a society do you think the various law enforcement agencies responsible for investigating this, are they doing enough? what does accountability look like to you a year off? >> hi ayman, yeah, i think right now, a lot of questions come up. especially with the report you just mentioned, we're not seeing certain sites used in the investigations. right now, justice is looking very questionable. at least 700 people charged, over 120 who have pled guilty, and many of them just actually received no jail time and are allowed to go home, even though they are under government supervision from here on out. however, that doesn't even look like justice to so many people who were watching that day and who were in the capitol that

day. what does it mean for accountability and what it looks like? it looks very slim at this point and that's also to say, what control or what scope the federal prosecutors or the fbi have in trying to figure out everyone involved because as we dig deeper and keep going, so many people come out of the woodworks, whether they were bank-rolling it, just in the capitol, issues among regular people that day. so the scope here is questionable. i think the federal prosecutors in this case are doing as much as they probably can here but means there is so much left to be done so what does it mean for justice? it means it's pretty slim. >> liz, i'm curious to get your thoughts. i know you're not a lawyer so this is not meant to be a legal question but we talk about this being an insurrection, attempted coupe on our democracy yet the people charged are being charged with things like trespassing or, you know, in some cases,

assault, but nothing yet to the level of it being an insurrection. in fact, one person, one of the capital rioters this week, jenna ryan, she kind of mocked a little bit this whole process saying she plans to lose 30 pounds while in jail, work out a lot, do yoga, do a detox and kind of mocks the justice system. >> mm-hmm. absolutely. jenna ryan is also, reportedly, getting a book deal and my favorite part of that is that she's writing a self-help book so i'm not sure who would like to take her advice. right now in the position that she's in, but we'll have to see what she includes in there. it's extremely disturbing, and i think a lot of the news you've presented is showing us an important, like, important facts we need to take into consideration. there's this sort of myth out there that people who stormed the capitol, people who are q-anon are conspiracy theorists

are non-educated people, kind of a classist myth out there, but 47% of the people arrested are white caller workers, people who are business owners, this is the middle class, this is educated people. so of course, there's poverty, economic reasons to fall into these dangerous radicalizing movements but we also have to be real, right? it looks like people who stormed the capitol look a lot like jen and ryan, right, people who are writing books and ms. harris who has a lot of money and influence who is using it to radicalize and is herself radicalized. >> i can't yes and to that point, ben, liz brings up a great point to the profile of these people. you and i talked about this extensively and i know you're one of the experts, i hope you're getting hazard pay on the time you spend in the q-anon world here but talk to us about it about because it's difficult

to understand how you start with this random celebrity conspiracy theory of sex trafficking ring and a cabal of satan worshipping democrats, you start there and end up with an insurrection that almost toppled our democracy. >> well it makes a lot of sense that january 6 was the day it was when you read in mythology of q-anon. sort of the last available day for them to be a doomsday, for them to be a big uprising, a big moment, the great awakening is what they call it. otherwise, donald trump was no longer going to be the president. their prophecy then on, basically impossible. of course, they finnacle their way out of it with metaphysical stuff since then but it was their last shot so all the people went to the trump's speech that day and awaited directions. that's really what went on. they went to this speech and thought they would hear donald

trump give directions and donald trump did not give specific directions. he talked about oprah for like 10 minutes and then, you know, a little bit further along he said, you know, we're all going to the capitol and i'm coming with you and he did not come. so it's easy to see how that would happen as a q-anon supporter. >> let's be haunsz, nobody thought donald trump was going to walk from the elipse to the capitol, that's a long walk. let's talk about one more thing, the vulnerable here, i've been looking into the death of rosanne boilen, accountability is a major issue, and q-anon, talk about their tactics. you get this guy trump, a demagogue saying i got this theory and people fall into the

trap. >> you by the way podcast does a great job digging into the case with rosanne how she was feeling when she got into it. q-anon supporters, are people who think, you know, the world is broken. it's chaos. and they're looking for answers, real answers, politically and donald trump was not just an answer, basically a messiah to them. so it makes sense she found trump in this movement and went there on january 6th. lots of people in this profile, didn't really understand the world as it was and wanted one person to just fix it. donald trump as he once said, you know, i alone can fix it. he was providing this messianic voice to them. to people down on their luck, maybe lost loved ones during the pandemic, lost their job, stuff to do, lost community during the pandemic, this provided them that community.

>> do you think if these investigations continue, we actually, as a society, are getting closer to a point where we can say we are preventing this from happening again or are we at a point where we are saying this is definitely going to happen again and perhaps next time it's going to be successful? because all the pro democracy people and expert that is track this say we got out of 2020 by luck. our system may have held, but it is not going to withstand the pressure that is coming in 2024 when you have officials trying to take over election boards in states. you won't even need an insurrection next time, you'll be able to do it on a state level. >> absolutely. i think, to the point of what you just said, we are not going to see this go away and we've heard countless times either from global experts, legal experts, law enforcements, saying this is just the beginning. we can always point out the conspiracy theories or misinformation campaigns we've been seeing, the crisis, is

years in the making. we can say january 6th started with websites or twitter or facebooks but they started years before this and came to a head that day unfortunately in a dangerous and fatal way so what we'll be seeing is either folks will get smarter or get quieter or work in a different way and seeing how the investigations are done right now, that's going to clue them into what to avoid, likely, in the future, if they were to, any radicalized group were to take action in such a way. >> liz, you get the hard question of what do we do to prevent that from happening. are democrats in charge of that, they are the ones leading this investigation, that has the ability right now, although, due to internal party politics have not pulled the trigger, to ensure on the filibuster for voting rights, to stop what is taking place in states across the cart and some are criticizing this administration and this congress for not meeting the severity of the

moment in the threat that is currently being posed to our democracy. >> yeah, democrats need to step up in every possible way. i mean there are q-anon believers who are on the other side and if you are going to lose to those people, not take that threat seriously, you're not doing your job. and i think that the work that we have to do is the work that you're doing, ayman, again, have to agree with ben. your podcast does such a good job of really showing us this isn't someone who was stupid. this isn't someone who was not educated or of a certain class. this was someone who was vulnerable and we know the way that groups are radicalized, we think so much about the radicalization of brown men in the middle east, right? it is the same thing that's happening here it is emotional pliablity, vulnerability, people looking for community, finding it on instagram, on facebook, so we have to see that as the threat that it is. >> liz, thank you so much for

joining us, kate tubman and ben collins, we got a lot more to discuss. stick around. as i mentioned, my podcast, the third episode dropped today, you can get it scan the qr code on your screen, catch all three episodes of american radical. currently number two on apple podcast, number seven on spot fight. coming up, a clash of laws and liberties as u.s. wins an appeal to expadite wikileaks founder. house launching a massive defense budget $770 billion, up, that is correct. raising questions about how congress is actually willing to spend its money. what are its priorities. first, steven romo here with the headlines. thanks, a lot of developments this hour. search and rescue efforts increasingly desperate as dozens are unaccounted for after

catastrophic tornados struck through the u.s. last night. declaring a state of emergency in the morning, describing the disaster as the most dangerous tornado event in the common wealth's history, concerned most of kentucky's moors aren't ready to deal with the situation on the ground. calling the storms a tragedy, biden is reported to going to visit the region, once circumstances allow, a presidential visit. more ayman coming up, after this. yman coming up, after this snacking can mean that pieces get stuck under mike's denture. but super poligrip gives him a tight seal. to help block out food particles. so he can enjoy the game. super poligrip.

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wiki leaks founder julian assange set to be expedited to

the united states, facing criminal charges over the publication of thousands of military documents. if convicts of espionage, risks a 175 year prison sentence. assange, with lawyers and advocates locked in a court battle to avoid extradition to the united states fearing for his safety in prison and mental health. this could fall much further than just assange himself. free press advocates warn it sets a dangerous precedent for the safety and security of journalists rights to report freely. my next guest explored extensively this case, asking biden to drop the charges on assange. executive director of the ninth first amendment institute, i wanted to start by getting your

reaction to this news and what you see as being the greater implication for this extradition and charges against julian assange. >> yeah, i think it's a really disturbing development. the real issue is underlying indictment. the indictment charges assange, with, it's an 18 count indictment, most of the activity in the indictment is the kinds of activities that journalists engage in all the time. national security journalists all the time communicate with government sources confidently, take steps to protect the confidentality of their sources identities and publish classified information and those are the kinds of things the indictment spends most of its time describing. and so, the concern is that the indictment itself has a kind of

chilling effect on national security journalism and a conviction, i think, would require media organizations to significantly curtail their news gathering activities. because the kinds of activities that journalists engage in all the time will suddenly be considered criminal. >> and the troubling thing you think of this, aside what you think about julian assange the person and the legal challenges he has to deal with, this is going back to specific incident in 2010 and you point out much of the war stemmed from former president trump and there was a yahoo news report that alleged discussions from inside the trump white house about having assange assassinated while inside the ecuadorian embassy, you made a plea for biden this year to intervene, obviously has not done that. how does that surprise you, as

biden administration is following what the trump administration did in suit. >> the espionage has been used aggressively since 9/11, the obama administration, bush administration, used espionage act to go after journalist sources but this is the first one in which the government has tried to use the espionage act against publisher so it really stems from this we saw at 9/11 and the obama administration considering charging against assange but what they called the new york times problem, they couldn't satisfy themself that there was a legal conviction on what assange had done and what many organizations do every day. obviously, that didn't deter the trump administration, trump

administration saw it as a kind of feature rather than a bug of this particular situation and went after assange knowing full well the prosecution of assange would have broad implications, not just for wikileaks but organizations like the new york times or washington post, any media organization in the united states that engages in national security and journalism. so it's a trump administration indictment, the first one under the espionage act to charge a publisher with violations of that particular act. as you mentioned, press freedom organization, not only my own but virtually every press freedom organization in the united states has called on president biden to drop the prosecution, thus far, obviously, he hasn't done it, but it's not too late. >> and it's incredible when you think of all the wrongdoings wikileaks has exposed in terms of u.s. military activities oversees, those individuals weren't prosecuted, kwlet here

, yet here is julian assange prosecuted of that. do you have any evidence of all of the remainder of the process in the uk? i believe there is a right of appeal for assange to the u.s. supreme court, based on what you saw play out over the last two hearings or decisions to be precise, is there any chance this one would be reversed and he would not be extradited? >> yeah, i just don't know the answer to that question but it seems to me they shouldn't turn on the action of british courts, that this is actually in the hands of the u.s. government. the u.s. government could decide today that this prosecution isn't going further, drop the indictment, going after assange on other charges not involving

publication of public information, they can do that. the problem with this prosecution is may are charging him for classified secrets, something that news organizations do all the time and that we need news organizations to do all the time. >> yeah, it will definitely have a chilling effect on our democracy and free speech if he can prosecuted here. i personally don't agree with it. thank you for your contact and analysis. appreciate it. gop extremism, the ridiculous, we'll fact check a republican senator's bizarre claims about covid and mouthwash. you heard that correctly, i said mouth wash, next. correctly, i d mouth wash, next

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where more than 80 lives feared to have been lost in the storms that pummelled the state. expect the death toll to rise over a hundred as operations continue for search and rescue. worrying, this morning, that certain morgues throughout the state may not be big enough for the current needs. hospitals around the state coordinating aid to hard-hit areas. we'll continue to to bring you updates as they get through the newsroom. >> as you probably heard, there's an omicron wave sweeping the globe, some fear the as the experts warn, it may effect some 40% of americans. >> last night on saturday night live, some great jokes on the covid vaccines but they must have some real great material when it comes to the far right. just this week, senator ron

johnson held a townhall audience saying gargling with mouthwash kills the virus. of course, this is not true, and list reason, had to respond to these statements. the company reminded us that their mouth wash is not clinically proven to kill the coronavirus. but johnson wasn't the only one peddling this information. tucker carlson claims getting covid appears to, quote, fem , feminize people. i have no idea what that even means, ben collins, kendall, let me start with you. can you tell me what tucker carlson could have meant when he said covid feminizes people? >> absolutely not.

i have no idea but suggests that covid weakens people and somehow weakens them. it's devastating that we still associate feminism and weakness with another, and also, being feminized should not be looked at as a negative thing. this is a truly bizarre stance. i have no idea how to explain this to you or where it's coming from. it makes no sense to me. >> i can tell from the way he used the word feminize he was being derogatory in his criticism so to me just saying he's clueless and mysogonistic but no surprise to anyone who watches tucker carlson, but in response to senator ron johnson claiming mouth wash kills covid.

what do you think about this? >> this has been around the anti-vax community for a year plus. i would call constituent services by the way, a lot of the people believe this stuff and he is playing to a base. this is the danger of this stuff. you get congress people explicitly saying this stuff to try to win votes, knowing for a fact it's not true or playing around with the truth a little bit. i will say the mouthwash thing is fine, like if you want to gargle a bunch of mouthwash, that's great, really cool compared to the stuff i've seen over the last year which most recently involved nebulizing which is huffing, essentially, hydrogen peroxide in colloidal silver. >> let's hope he doesn't ask skbn to inject themselves with it like the thing trump was saying with bleach.

marjorie taylor green decided she wanted in on the crazy train this week. tweeted out covid restrictions saying not a single school has closed because of cancer, every year, more than 600,000 people in the u.s. die from cancer. what the heck does cancer have to do with covid? i mean does she think cancer is an infectious disease? have we reached that level of stupidity? >> i hope we have not. i think what was really great to see was how quickly people responded with the same words saying cancer is not contagious, that's not how it works. here we are saying what it means to play with the truth. yes, many people die in the u.s. each year by cancer however if you're not paying attention, if you read this tweet, if you read any conspiracy out there like this without reading well into it you may think she has a point

here, however, it was a great relief for people to respond and say wait, if i read this correctly, this is what you're saying. you're saying it's contagious and that's not the case at all. >> i got to ask you, if aliens invade our planet today, they'll come across one of the craziest conspiracy theories i've heard in a long time. that birds are not real. this is a gen-z fueled conspiracy theory claiming that birds do not really exist and are really drone replicas installed by the u.s. government to spy on americans. i'm not even sure where to go with this. is this a parody, is it right, explain it to me. you are much closer to gen-z than i am. >> yeah, well first of all, this is incredible reporting from our friend taylor lorenz. birds aren't real, it's a conspiracy, but it's a parody conspiracy, it's basically taking aim at people who have

had family members lost to q-anon and showing the absurdities, also really good counter protesting at q-anon rallies in response to chants of real conspiracies. they don't generally believe that the birds aren't real, but it's sort of a satirical way to strike back at things like q-anon that been is an expert on and say isn't this absurd? this is absurd as well. >> any fear this jumps over from the parody and suddenly becomes, wait a minute, could it be real? because q-anon will take it and run with it and say the creator of birds are not real is actually a q member i know, you know, this is like super redux here but it's like, is there that chance? >> look, it, when in doubt, in things are going to get dumber, it absolutely will. no question about that.

we've tested the limits of this about five or six years now so i think it could happen. that said, i think this is really brilliant. i think it's really good by the kids, basically saying look, we live in this world where, you know, everything is true and nothing is true. it's a way to fight back against that a little bit and say, like, look, we are aware of this. we are aware that people are intentionally, politicians are intentionally lying to us, intentionally feeding us all of these things and we can fight back in the same way. we can fight back with parody which should be spelled parroty. >> we'll have to leave with that. great to have you all with us this evening happen appreciate it, guys. up next, say it ain't so, congress passes a defense bill of $770 billion but many say it is a missed opportunity, back on

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$778 billion wasn't even the sum that president biden actually requested for military spending this year. he only asked for 753 billion. so in short, the military industrial complex is getting everything it wanted, with a $25 billion cherry on top. you might remember in 2019 when president trump signed a collossal defense bill slammed rightfully by the press but that was $40 billion smaller than this one. quick question for you, is there nothing else we could have spent this money on? keep in mind, this military spending surge comes after the u.s. pulled troops out of afghanistan. how about reappropriating just the $25 billion that no one asked for, to help with, i don't know, maybe the pandemic we're still struggling with? i mean earlier this week, press secretary jen saki wrestled with

reporters over the chance to provide free rapid tests saying it's too expensive. the average rapid test in this country costs about $11. $25 billion could buy in the bill 2.2 billion covid tests for americans, but no, by all mean, i'm sure whatever boeing and ratheon are doing with that money is far more important than testing americans for covid. coming up next, how one french artist is making waves and impacting change all across the world. we're going to show you right after the break. d. we're going to show you right after the break. why give your family just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. ♪♪

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