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expert about that development. we'll hear from a democratic senator in last night's meeting between senator manchin and the democratic colleagues and a progressive house member on what happens next. hello there, welcome to "meet the press daily" i'm chuck todd. the biden administration trying to ramp up the testing capacity and tamp down the fears for vaccinated people as omicron sweeps across the country. long testing lines and in many places not enough testing the country was caught unprepared for this variant. the new strategy the white house rolled out yesterday includes making half a billion at-home tests available for free to any american who wants one. something people have called for since the start of this pandemic, but those tests won't be available until next month

after holiday travel and after the worst of this current surge and comes a couple weeks after the white house downplayed the need for at-home testing. here was press secretary jen psaki less than two weeks ago and then yesterday. >> why not make them free and have them available everywhere? >> should we send one to every american? >> maybe. >> then what happens if every american has one test? how much does that cost and what happens after that? i would say there's not a day that goes by that i don't leave this podium and wish i would have said something with greater context or more precision or additional information. and that day there was a lot of good questioning on testing and during that briefing, i conveyed a lot of information about our expansion of testing about the 50 million tests that we were making available, about the 20,000 free testing sites and should i have included that additional context again in that answer? yes, going back i wish i would have done that. >> keep in mind more than half a dozen cities and states have

already begun handing out free at-home tests to their residents. meanwhile the president, vice president and dr. fauci have faced questions in recent days about why the u.s. seemed unprepared. >> is it a failure that you don't have an adequate amount of tests for everyone to get one if they need one right now? >> no, it's not. because covid is spreading so rapidly. if you noticed it just happened almost overnight. just in the last month. if i told you four weeks ago that this was spread by a day-to-day basis, it was spread by 50%, 200%, 500%, i think you would have looked at me and said, biden, what are you drinking? but that's what it did. >> while the white house continues encouraging americans to get vaccinated and boosted, israel is prepared to give a fourth dose of vaccines to residents 60 and older. and hopefully some encouraging news. cases in south africa which is

been at the leading edge of the omicron surge down suggesting our own omicron surge may not last all that long. josh letterman is at the white house for us and gary is in d.c., one of the places already distributing free tests to residents. josh, let me start with you, you know, yesterday the president framed the battle this way essentially saying we have the tools to deal with this and implying that we have the tools to live with this. but this issue of testing, they seemed overly defensive on this front because it's frankly been a question that's hung over this administration's head ever since they took control of the response. >> no question, chuck, that the white house is trying to thread the needle here. they are trying to prepare americans for a reality of living alongside this virus. we heard that from president biden yesterday. of course, they don't want that

to sound like failure or acquiescence to something that the u.s. was unprepared for but president biden and vice president harris have acknowledged at this point that they did not anticipate that the virility and the fact that this new strain would be quite as infecktuous as it has been. now, white house officials will argue that's different than saying we were unprepared. they say we have been preparing by stockpiling all kinds of equipment and ppe and gowns and other things in anticipation of a winter surge, but, of course, what they didn't prepare for is this 500 million tests that they're now trying to speed up the process of getting out to americans. the other thing i think i want to mention is we've all been waiting the results of the president's latest covid test after he had a close contact about five days ago. the white house telling us that today he took another pcr test. the result just came back negative and it's an indication,

chuck, of how the white house is struggling with their own issues with trying to stay safe from covid within their own ranks, even as they're trying to scramble to find new ways to protect americans around the country. >> josh, it did seem like six months ago they believed vaccines were the best tool not testing and now they seem to at least admit they needed more testing. after this initial $500 million that they're going to provide, is that it or is this going to become a recurring thing until the pandemic ends? >> that's the big question. everybody having one test is not going to be functional when we are basically being encouraged to test as regularly as possible. now, the white house would say that they can't exactly predict what we're going to need because this has been quite an evolving situation, but i also think kind of a goldilocks element to this, as well, chuck. every time the white house takes drastic additional measures and new restrictions and new steps they get criticism even from the right and even from some on the

left and there is also that barrage of criticism that they're getting right now. they are trying to find that happy medium and discovering that so far they're not really pleasing anybody. >> very quickly and i know the isis a one off here, but there was another announcement today that they're postponing the student loan, they're essentially keeping the moratorium in place another three months. does that mean this is likely this moratorium is going to last through the election year? i say that because i can't imagine now that they've postponed this until may, i think is the month, there's no way they reinstate it before november '22, is there? >> the white house is leaving open the possibility that they will extend this further. this was sign posted when the education department said we'll tend it for a week while we figure out and saying in the statement he just released that it's possible that they will look to do that again, depending

on what the economic conditions are like early next year. >> appreciate that, josh. let me go over to gary who is dealing with testing in d.c. as good as any place to go to figure out these days of the testing capacity. what are you finding? >> hey, chuck. you know, we've seen over the past holidays over the past two years there's been lines at testing sites every holiday and this is no different before christmas here. we're seeing lines here in d.c. and around the country and d.c. is seeing, as you know, 3,000 cases just this weekend alone of coronavirus. it's a 350% change just from two weeks ago. so d.c. health is really scrambling into action here. one thing they're doing is increasing the testing capability. they're starting a new program called test yourself express where they're handing out 1,000 rapid c, ovid tests.

we were just at a center there down the road and there were hundreds of people in line, probably more people in line than we had the capacity and a lot of frustration, too, among people. one because mayor muriel bowser lifted the mask mandate and then just this week put it back in and, two, because they believe, people believe in these lines that the officials should have seen this coming. here's what some folks i talked to had to say. >> yeah, i feel like there should be more available and this should already be anticipated. i mean, if i can expect it, i'm sure they can anticipate the quantities needed for different regions. >> why is this, why are we at this point? why wasn't this prethought through that this inevitably was going to happen that they should have had tests and surplus a long time ago. >> just announced in the past hour by mayor muriel bowser now

going to be a vaccinate mandate in d.c. starting in mid january. if you want to enter a restaurant, a club, a shopping center, if you want to go to any of the indoor entertainment venues, you're required to be vaccinated to do so starting in mid january. going to make life very uncomfortable here in d.c. for people who are not vaccinated. chuck. >> gary, does the city have a definition of vaccinated? with or without the booster? >> actually, yeah. so what it seems like they're doing right now and this is ongoing as we speak, but it seems like january 15th is the date where they want people to have at least one dose in to enter these places. by february, mid february you need to be fully vaccinated. >> gary in washington, d.c. for us, thank you. let me move over to ron sanchez in tel aviv and it does seem what israel ends up doing is something we eventually get there. it was after a meeting with the israeli prime minister that president biden in august

thought, oh, maybe we need to do boosters at five months. turns out that would have been the right decision. it was, quote, getting ahead of the science or using israel's science to make that decision. instead that didn't happen and we have the booster confusion. explain to me how israeli officials are communicating the need for a fourth dose of the vaccine. >> yeah, chuck, that's right. israel has been ahead of the curve at so many points during this pandemic. the recommendation right now from this israeli health ministry panel is that the most vulnerable get this fourth dose. that is people over 60s, that is people with compromised immune systems and that is people who work in the medical field. the question, of course, will it eventually be rolled out that the entire population here in israel is getting that fourth dose. now, i spoke earlier to an adviser to the israeli government and he said there wasn't a single smoking gun

piece of research that led them to this decision on the fourth dose, but two major factors. one, omicron is growing here as it is in the u.s. and they are trying to do what they can to get out in front of it. but the other thing is there is some evidence here in israel that those third booster shots do wane in their effectiveness over time. i want you to take a listen to what he had to say about that. >> yes, we are seeing some increase in the number of people being infected as more and more timing passes since they received the booster. so, i would carefully say that i think there is a waning effect of the booster. >> now, those fourth doses still need to be given final approval by israeli health officials, but that's expected to happen very soon, possibly as early as next week. the israeli prime minister welcoming that recommendation and he's telling the public here, get ready to take that

fourth shot as soon as you can. chuck. >> hey, rob, what is the hospitalization situation there in israel right now? >> so far it's manageable. israel is not sewing yet the kind of spike that we've seen in the uk, in other countries, but the rate is growing, it's doubling. every couple of days. they are expecting to see growing numbers. there is some feeling here in israel that the omicron may be slightly milder than delta. but, of course, chuck, if you have lots and lots and lots of people with, you know, positive with the virus, it doesn't matter. you will still end up with a lot of people in hospital. chuck. >> true. but a pretty well vaccinated country. josh, gary and rob, thank you all for getting us started. coming up, what does the next month look like and what are we learning about a vaccine the u.s. army is developing that could protect against every variant there has been.

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♪ i'm watching it fall ♪ watch the full story at www.xfinity.com/sing2 >> wait, wait, wait a minute. you asked the first question did i get my test today? yes, i did before i walked in here. i haven't gotten the result yet. i walked over. well, we do know his result now, it was negative. president biden taking questions after a supply chain task force meeting. he was obviously talking about another pcr test and as we told you, it was negative. it's at least his third negative result this week, but the incident reveals how prevalent covid is even around the president. hundreds of thousands if not millions of americans have been exposed to omicron and many more exposed in the coming days and weeks. americans have easy access to testing like the president does. joining me dean of brown

university school of public health. i am going to basically treat you and ask you anything type of thing of what we have learned in the last day because i think a lot of confusion out there. number one, more studies it seemed to indicate omicron is less severe. how should the public take in that information? >> yeah. so, chuck, there is, i would say, a moderate amount of data that it may be less severe. that's good. we want it to be as mild as possible. there is also some data out of the uk and denmark that maybe is not that much less severe. the big picture point here in my mind is if you are fully vaccinated and boosted, you will have a mild course with this virus. if you are fully vaccinated but not boosted and you're in a high-risk group, i would still assume you could end up having a pretty bad breakthrough. if you're unvaccinated, you're taking risks and not mild enough to get you through this without potentially getting you into trouble. >> how much comfort should a

vaccinated boosted person have traveling in the next month? >> pretty good. i think domestic travel is pretty reasonable. wear a high-quality mask because you don't want a breakthrough, i would wear a high-quality mask. that's important. obviously, if you're visiting high-risk people, take precautions and take a test, if you can get a test. i don't think a fully vaccinated person needs to be holed up at home. >> south africa news is that cases are dropping. it was described, i believe by one of their leading epidemiologists as climbing the north face of mt. everest and now going down the south face. up fast, down fast. are we about to see a burning through this country that fast, too. and is there an upside to this if this is how omicron goes here in the united states?

>> yeah, so, first of all, we don't know if it will play out the same way, obviously. i'm hoping that it will. i'm hoping that we will not see a big spike up and then a high plateau but instead a climb down pretty quickly. look, the dynamics of the virus are going to be different in south africa than the u.s. they are in a different season and different population immunity profile and i wouldn't bet on it but i'm hoping it is. if it gets through us pretty quickly, yeah, it will cause a lot of disruption but then the spike will be over and we'll be able to kind of recoup from that and much, much better than an ongoing sustained high level of infection. >> the issue of a fourth booster shot, brought it up on this show yesterday, the israelis have rolled out a fourth booster. both of them citing the same evidence that they've been seeing scientific is that this booster wanes quickly after about the third month. first of all, why is, why would that be the case and should we start treating this as the flu

vaccine? >> yeah, those are two good questions. so, first of all, very little data so far on what israel has sort of put out. israel has been terrific. their data is the guiding post for most people in the world. so, if they're doing this and we have to take this very, very seriously. my take is we have to make some deition ises about our goals here. antibodies wane after every vaccine and every infection. the question will remain, are we going to be able to protect people from severe illness and death after two shots or three shots. that is not a question i have seen at all begun to be answered. is there an annual booster? it might be. do i think taking shots every six months forever? somewhere in between we'll find out in the months to come. >> it's interesting you say that. we have to make a decision as a society, what are we tolerating? if the vaccines prevent death and hospitalization for

five-year period. look, i have a covid positive at my house. her strepthroat was worse than what she went through this week. vaccinated, not boosted. if that's what this is going to be for the vaccinated, you know, how much do you worry about boosters? >> yeah, that is the fundamental question. two things really. we want to prevent severe illness and death and prevent long covid because also the sum proportion who end up. my best read of the data right now on vaccinated people who have breakthroughs, much less likely to have long-term complications of any kind. our society is pretty immunized and pretty protected. maybe the highest risk nursing home residents continue to get booster every six months and maybe for the rest of us knowing if you have an infection is going to be mild and might be at home for two days and back in the office five days later. maybe that's a level of infection that we tolerate with lots and lots of other viruses that maybe we're thinking about

whether we're doing that for covid. we should be willing to do that for covid and to get covid to be like a mild cold or flu. >> what does approval of that mean? >> especially for high-risk people. you can imagine get an infection and having a bad one and high fevers and it's day two and you call your doctor and, boom, you're going to essentially reduce the likelihood it will get worse. should be a really important part of our tool set. >> our friends are reporting that the u.s. army is developing a vaccine for all of it. a one shot. this feels like it's out of no where because we keep having moderna and pfizer telling us we're working on this and working on that meanwhile the u.s. army has a single vaccine against all of this? first of all, what do you make of this news? if that's the case, how soon will the rest of us see this available? >> this is a phase one trial.

phase one is very early and testing out dosing. we don't know how well it will work against all the existing variants and whether it will work against every conceivable variant in the future. i don't think we know that either. that said, this is phenomenal research we should invest in it and figure out how sustainable it is and if it ends up being as good as it sounds, we want to ramp up production and make it available to everyone. very good research group working on this. it is really, really early stuff right now. >> finally the last question is delta. delta has been a horrendous, i don't think we fully appreciate how destructive delta has been in this country. it still has people killing people today. in fact, i don't know if we'll know this, but over time we'll learn the current deaths are more delta related than omicron related. will it put the delta fire out or if omicron surges and recedes so fast, do we still have to live with delta? >> it's a really good question. one of the big questions we've

all been thinking about as you said, does omicron snuff out delta or does delta stick around and having to deal with two. so far the early data from the uk is that omicron has taken off in the uk, but delta is there. one is not eliminating the other. we'll have to see how this plays out. i do think delta will also recede once we get into the new year and it will have infected so many people. but between delta and omicron, i'm worried maybe a third of all americans, a quarter or third of all americans getting infected in the next couple of months. >> does that all lead to herd immunity? >> it will, it will certainly make a big difference in terms of getting high, high levels of population immunity and that means future waves of variant will have much less impact on us because all the immunity we're building up. >> all right, dr. jha, appreciate you playing the ask you anything game with me and there's a lot of these questions in the last 24 hours. you're very helpful.

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agenda. senator manchin did join the call two days after he said he could not support the bill from what sources were telling us, the call was not quite a festivus style airing of grievances but did reiterate about the bill. even though it appears doomed to the fail, at least first version for it now. the very fact that he was on the call does mean he will pass something which for close manchin watchers is not surprising. joining us now minnesota democrat tina smith. senator smith, thank you for coming on. >> great to be with you, chuck. >> let me start with, so, manchin's on the call, everybody feels as if you guys are having a conversation. what does this mean going forward? do you still think the caucus wants to have a vote just to say they tried or is it time to actually put together a bill that you know manchin can support? >> yeah, well, so, i think we

heard senator manchin say last night what he said publicly, which is i just can't get there. so, what we need to know from senator manchin is where can he get to? where does he want to end up with this? i heard yesterday on the call from my colleagues a real sense of determination to do the best that we can and a sense of urgency to get through with this. and, you know, i also kind of think that in this moment, people are pretty mad on all sides and sometimes the more you talk, the worse it gets. so, i think right now it's not bad that we take a little bit of time -- you come back together again and there are some signs of optimism that we are going to be able to find a path forward. not everything that i would want and not everything the progressives would want but something really good for the country and that's what we have to stay focused on. >> what in your mind has to be in there and, you know, where

you sit there and you're like, boy, this is a waste of time if we didn't do this? >> well, there's a lot in build back better that i think are really great. here are two places where you can find important common ground. i worked really, really hard on expanding access to child care that is affordable. by all accounts, this is something senator manchin thinks is a good idea. if we have 50 votes, let's just get that done so we can help families go back to work and make sure that children have a great place to be. we have a terrible shortage of child care in this country and it is hurting families and hurting our economy. and, of course, the other issue that i had some hope for is taking strong action on climate and carbon emissions. the reports are that senator manchin left that on the table in the last discussions he had with the white house that gives me hope because this is the number one thing that we have to do to reduce carbon emissions,

create jobs and put the united states on the forefront of the clean energy transition in terms of technology and innovation and building domestic supply chains. >> did you think that was the reason why senator manchin can't really support this bill, too much climate in here and he thinks it's too impactful to west virginia's economy? >> well, i mean, to tell you the truth, i worked really hard on the clean electricity plan which would have made great headway in reducing emissions and senator manchin said to me, i just can't get there. he seemed to have the same message on sunday, i guess it was, when he went on fox news. so, now the question is where can he get? that's what we're all trying to figure out. i take senator manchin at his word when he says that he wants to protect domestic energy resources and energy sources and that's what clean power is all about. i'm hopeful that we can find a path forward there. there has to be action and finally get this done. >> any part of build back better that you wouldreconciliation

process because manchin would like to try to get it out of reconciliation. i think he's probably on an island. i get that. is there any part of build back better, though, that you think it is worth putting republicans on the record on? >> in terms of the votes that we would ask people to take, i mean, there is so much on this bill, in this bill that the vast majority of americans support it. this is what president biden ran and won on. let's talk about paid family leave, which is so desperately needed for american families and is something that is very difficult for small businesses to offer. let's talk about lowering prescription drug prices which has been something we have been working on for a long long time. that's in build back better and see where the republicans will vote on that even though that is what their constituents want. let's talk about the child tax credit which is helping to lift so many kids out of poverty and helping families pay their bills right now. now, those are all the things i love about this bill.

the question is what will get 50 votes. none of those provisions as far as i know have a single republican vote. and that is a big problem. >> the president just announced that they're extending the moratorium on student loan debt. student loan debt, you heard it on the campaign trail, look, you talked to a lot of younger voters. if this isn't dealt with, this might be a demoralizing effect on younger voters turning out. it's put off to may. the cynic in me assumes it will be put off to '22. how does this get resolved? how do we get to a point where there is some relief and there isn't a free ride at the same time? >> yeah, yeah. well, two things. i think the president is absolutely right to do what he did today. but, again, i have to point out in build back better there are provisions that would dramatically expand pell grants

which don't come close to meeting the current needs of today's students. so, if we pass build back better, we would be able to nearly double pell grants and that will make a huge difference. the folks who occurred this massive debt over the last 10, 15, 20 years still need assistance and still need some help and the point is that good for them and their families and good for our economy, too. they are using that money to grow their families and buy houses and do the things that we want people to be able to do in this country. >> very quickly, this build back better, this is a get it done by the state of the union or not going to get done. do you see any magical end date here or go until we go? >> well, one thing i know about negotiating sometimes the more you talk, the worse it gets. i think we need to figure out what's doable and do it and not extend this much longer. >> i think the best advice you gave is that everybody needs a cooling off period.

that's why we have the holiday break. anyway, senator smith, appreciate you coming on. hope you can enjoy a little rest during the holidays. >> i'm looking forward to and glad the dogs didn't bark during this interview. >> they're paying attention. thanks very much. >> thank you. we'll hear from the other side of the capitol on what's next. a leading member of the caucus side joins me. you're watching "meet the press daily." daily. only from fidelity. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes? now they can! with downy light in-wash freshness boosters. just pour a capful of beads into your washing machine before each load. to give your laundry a light scent that lasts longer than detergent alone, with no heavy perfumes or dyes.

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where do progressives go from here? joining me now ro khanna that represents much of silicon valley. congressman, good to see you. i want to start with something the president said about manchin and the house progressives yesterday. let me play the sound bite. >> joe went on tv today and i am told he was speaking to a liberal caucus in the house and said joe biden did this. >> were you a part of that meeting where manchin talked to you and what can you tell us about it, if you were? >> there was no such meeting. chuck, i don't think it's productive to speculate people's motives or assign blame. what the american people want is for us to make progress and what we ought to do is sit down with the president and senator manchin and see what can we agree on. we can agree on universal preschool and child care and agree on expanding healthcare

coverage and then let's get to something that can pass. i think that's what democrats need to do doing forward. >> what i also noted in the lead in the issue of the child care tax credit, do you think it's going to end up off the table and end up a separate issue? what is the future of this? because it sounds like congresswoman jayapal came away with her talks believing that is the highest hurdle to clear. >> i certainly hope not, chuck. let me put it in very simple terms. here's what it means. it means 300 bucks a month for families that are working class, middle class who have kids. that means can you buy kids christmas presents and get them winter clothes for the holidays? senator manchin has a problem because a few couples who make up to $400,000 and who may get some portion of that credit, that we're willing to negotiate. we can look at what the appropriate thresholds are. but the idea that someone making 50 grand, 40 grand who has kids shouldn't get some help, i just

think that's something we all should agree on, especially in the christmas season. i just saw "christmas carol." we need a little more christmas spirit and child tax bill is one of the biggest things we can do. >> then the definition it means testing to you if you want to lower the threshold to what? 250, 300? maybe that answers senator manchin's concerns. >> as i understand right now the child tax credit to get the full credit it ends at $150,000. but there are a few cases making over $200,000 as a couple where you still get some benefits. i'm willing to negotiate that. look, i have a high cost of living area in silicon valley and the money doesn't go as far as in a place like silicon valley than west virginia, but i'm willing to negotiate that. we are open to compromise, we always have been. let's not get rid of the child tax credit which has cut child

poverty and one of the proudest things i've done. >> what is frustrating to watch in this debate, seems to be bipartisan agreement on the issue just not bipartisan agreement on how to do it. and i'm always, i've been curious, do you think more of an attempt should have been made to see if there could have been a growing, just taking the child care tax credit. you have a mitt romney and a marco rubio who are supportive of the idea. do you think more effort should have been made to peel that off the reconciliation or no? >> i just don't think we can get the ten more republican votes. if senator manchin or senator rubio could come up with a package that has 60 senate votes, i would be willing to look at it and consider it but they always say let's have bipartisanship and then they have one or two republican senators that gets us to 53, 54 and that's not really real. so, the only way we're actually going to get it done right now is through reconciliation. but, of course, if you can get 60 senators on something, that's a compromise, i'm willing to

look at it. >> nobody likes to sit here and pick and choose what's left. a lot of people argue what's left in build back better are essential. you know, there's no more picking and choosing. but i want to read you something that was written in "the atlantic" today. something has to pass. some version of a climate bill, any version of it. if you believe what they say about climate change any tax policy including the child tax credit is worth sacrificing. is there any part of you that says, yeah, if you got manchin on something here, take it and run? >> absolutely. i think the president's executive authority under executive order is to be able to increase treasury federal finance and if we can get significant climate provisions in my view, that's the highest priority and that's where senator manchin shouldn't put it

because it's not going to affect in my view west virginia negatively. most of the bill is renewable energy and innovation and competing with china that senator manchin has said he is for that. i agree that is the highest priority. >> any regrets of untethering the infrastructure bill from build back better? >> it is a good bill that will help get lead pipes out of people's homes and infrastructure. i'm proud to have supported it. i think the idea of leverage was always overdone. people in the house aren't goegto have leverage over a sitting senator. i think what we achieved is we got the president to a compromised framework and that ought to inform the debate of what the build back better bill that passes should be like. >> your optimistic christmas spirit, perhaps it will get contagious. congressman ro khanna, thank you for coming on. >> happy holidays to you and

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graphic pictures of her actions were revealed, grooming young girls for sexual assault. she did not take the stand in her own defense. she faces 80 years in prison. in minneapolis, kim potter shot and killed daunte wright during a traffic stop in april. she testified she meant to pull her taser but instead drew and shot her gun. the jury may already be at an impasse. they asked the judge yesterday what happens it they can't reach consensus. and after three months of testimony in california, the jury is taking a break from deliberations today in the trial of theranos founder elizabeth holmes, charging with multicounts of fraud and conspiracy. she pled not guilty. jury deliberations resume tomorrow. jfk files, right after the break. from a spider bite? i could use some help showing the world how

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administration released a trove of previously classified documents, over 1,000, on the 1963 assassination of president john f. kennedy, including filings and memos of various agencies, including the fbi, state department, and yes, the cia. among the papers, tips and leads the agencies chased in their investigations of the tragedy and insights into the movements of lee harvey oswald in the months before the assassination. this comes as a small percentage of the files that have yet to be declassified. jeff morley is author of the book "the ghost: the secret life of a cia spy master." jeff, i've known you for quite some time. i know how well you pour yourself into this. so let me ask the bigger question. why isn't everything released? we were told these things were going to be released at a 50-year anniversary.

we're not there yet. why? >> the agency, the cia, has something to hide. that's the only plausible conclusion you can draw, i think. congress put a 25-year deadline on this material, enacting a law in 1992 saying everything should be released by 2017. in 2017, the cia director, mike pompeo, went to president trump and said we can't possibly release this. trump acquiesced to their demands and there was four more years of secrecy. the same question came to president biden in october 2021, same result. he acquiesced to the cia's demands that most of this material remain secret. what we saw last week was about 10% of the 15,000 documents that continue to have redactions in them. why is it taking so long? the cia doesn't want to obey the law, is my conclusion. >> look, the easy hypothesis to me, no matter where you are on

what the -- whether there was a conspiracy or not, it certainly looks like the cia doesn't want to admit what it knew about oswald before the assassination. there seems to be no other hypothesis to come up with. do you agree? >> yes, and two documents came out last week that confirmed that. these are two cables that were written about lee harvey oswald in october 1963, sucks weeks before the assassination. and for the first time in 58 years we have a complete unex purr gated version of the cia's preassassination file on oswald. it took them 58 years to come totally clean on who at the cia knew about oswald before the assassination. i think you're right, the question they want to avoid, it seems to me, to delay, is what did we know about oswald before the assassination. the cia really doesn't want to talk about that.

that's what we found out last week. >> i mean, is it possible they were trying to make him an asset or he was an asset and they don't want to admit he turned out to be an asset, oh, my god, we didn't know he was going to do this? >> that's what's so interesting about the two cables that were released in their entirety for the first time last week. one of those cables was a cable to mexico city written by six top cia officers, and i mean top, the deputy assistant, director, the foreign intelligence liaison officer, the chief of the mexico desk, the chief of operations in the western hemisphere. so that's the sensitive part of all this is, how did top cia officials know so much about oswald before the assassination and do nothing? okay? that's the question. some people say, well, they were just incompetent, they were asleep at the wheel. other people say, to me it looks like they were running an operation. but given that we don't have all the records, we really can't answer the question. the cia needs to come clean on

that. i mean, i think that's the story here. it's common sense. why wouldn't the cia want to release all of this material? >> okay. let me ask you this. why is william manchester's interviews with jackie and bobby, why is that in control of the cia? or the federal government, excuse me. why are they in control of those interviews? >> because when congress wrote the jfk records act in 1992, they included a provision that nothing in the law would override the deed of gifts. and so when william manchester gave those papers, those transcripts of his interviews with jackie and bobby kennedy in 1964, he put on them a 75-year time limit. and so the law does not overrule the deed of gift provision. so that material, according to the deed of gift, will stay secret until 2039. and the reason why that's significant is, it's known that jackie kennedy and bobby kennedy did not believe the warren

commission. they did not believe president kennedy was killed by one man alone. they privately thought he had been killed by his enemies. >> jeff morley who basically is about the best person you can go to to separate fact from a fiction when it comes to jfk assassination. appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thank you, chuck. you this all for being with us this hour. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." msnbc's coverage with katy tur right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. a big development in the fight against the pandemic. just about two hours ago, the fda gave emergency approval for the first antiviral pill to treat covid. the fda says pfizer's drug is approved to treat people ages 12 and up with mild to moderate symptoms and are at risk for severe disease or hospitalization. the news comes as we're expected to get an update from the white house covid-19 response team in the next hour after a