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lot of them under new mandates, including in chicago where we will take you for a live report in a second. all of it as we look for news from the cdc. dr. fauci predicting more clarification coming on the updated isolation guidelines if you do get sick. our medical team is standing by to answer some of your biggest questions on this. in washington, the investigation into the january 6 insurrection picking up the pace with the anniversary of the attack a few days away. new reporting dropping this hour on the state of domestic extremism since the riot. what our new analysis says about where threats are and how seriously they are being taken. breaking today, two children of former president trump subpoenaed by the new york attorney general. part of the civil investigation into the trump organization. we will talk about what the ag is looking for and what the chances are she will get it. happy new year.
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we are joined by dr. patel, former white house health care policy director in the obama administration. good afternoon. chicago is a good example of what so many cities across the country are facing. new mandates to deal with this covid surge that's still happening. questions about what kids are supposed to do as they head back to school. >> reporter: what we know, as you mentioned, chicago joining cities like new york, los angeles, san francisco as well as new orleans who have these vaccine mandates in place. what it looks like here in chicago is that anybody 5 years of age and older has to present a vaccination card showing that they are fully vaccinated. your 16-year-old and older, you have to show photo i.d. with that. you can't get into bars, restaurants, any indoor entertainment facilities like bowling alleys without being
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fully vaccinated. the city says it's because we are seeing cases spike. it is their way of trying to make sure they can manage the pandemic. listen to what the mayor of chicago had to say earlier today. >> the fact of the matter is, we have massive community spread. people are getting sick. people aren't able to go to work. our hospitals are filling up. particularly with people who are unvaccinated. we are taking these steps and mitigation efforts. >> reporter: you have to talk about the impact to businesses. we talked to restaurant owners who are frustrated saying the burden is on them to possibly have to get into a confrontation with people who are upset about having to be vaccinated, having to come out of pocket to pay for somebody to check these vaccination cards. others say, a year ago we
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weren't able to open. this is a way that we can strike a medium here to be able to try to make sure everybody is safe and also operate and make money. the city will enforce this. anybody who is violating this will be faced with a penalty. it's possible that they could have to close their doors for a day. >> meagan fitzgerald life in a frigid chicago. kelly, president biden landed in the washington area. a very snowy washington this morning. he is starting the new year where he left it off in 2021, under pressure for his administration to do more for testing to get the surge under control. what are you hearing from the white house on this front? >> reporter: certainly, the pressure on testing is great because that is one of the ways that we are seeing people say that is a step out of dealing with this. test to stay in school. test to be in the workplace. all of those kinds of things, especially when you deal with
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asymptomatic cases. one of the questions will be, will the cdc re-evaluate the time line for when those people have a positive case and have the five days when they stay at home and do they need to add a test before coming back to the workplace? that's one thing that dr. fauci, the top medical advisor, has said is worth considering. he has suggested publically the cdc might re-evaluate its guidance on that. we have not yet heard from dr. walensky if that will be a part of the official guidance. we have seen how the cdc at times re-evaluates based on science and based on questions and confusion in the mind of the public about what the best steps are. there have been questions and concerns about the availability of -- especially those over-the-counter at-home tests. millions have been made available free to the public. there's also a ramp-up period with the biden administration signing new contracts to make
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more of them available to american households, putting them out in places like public libraries and community centers and so forth. they are very hard to come by. the question of if you have an asymptomatic case or a case with symptoms that resolve, do you need a test before you go back to the workplace or school or so forth? that testing component is one of the big questions. will that be required? we are waiting to hear. >> kelly, thank you very much. dr. patel, let me turn to you. help us sort through some of the legitimate concerns from some that may be overblown. when you look at where we are, the numbers, covid cases more than tripling, hospitalizations up by a smaller amount, 35%, deaths actually down 3%, help us put these numbers into context. what puts a pit in your stomach when you look at this? what do you think is being overwritten in the narrative here when it comes to covid that people may not have to stress so much about? >> i think let me start with that. what's being overwritten about
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this is there's this narrative around mild omicron, whether or not we should worry about it. i worry about all cases of omicron when there's so much positivity, because as you heard in chicago and kelly is alluding to, it's everywhere. it's truly now at a point where the positivity rate is not even relevant. i do think there's so much narrative around the number of cases and the positivity rate, i realize those are important, those are gross underestimates. it's higher because we have self-reporting that doesn't happen. people testing at home. let's bring it back to where we are now. we are going to still see this explosive growth, even further, until we peak. that's a couple of weeks. until then, we need to have solutions. we are not going to have enough tests. even if the cdc says everyone can go back to work pending a negative test, to kelly's point, good luck getting those. the administration has to give
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better advice. what we are telling people, if you don't feel good, stay home. we need to honor that as an employer, employee, day care, child, school, all of the above. too many people are getting fixated on, i'm on day five, i think i'm better, but i'm having sniffles. don't go to the workplace. this is serious. saying this is mild is true if you are vaccinated and boosted. we have a third of the country that's not. then even more people, too many people over the age of 65, that are not boosted. we still have a vulnerable population. not to mention younger people. not to mention people that are immunocompromised and people who think that they have had infections before with covid and they are protected. they are not. omicron is reinfecting at an easier rate than any previous strain, people who previously had covid. >> talk about testing. there was a comment made just this afternoon by the florida surgeon general regarding what he described as the psychology
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of testing. i wonder what you make of it. here it is. >> if your grandmother gets a test, that's a more valuable test than the 8-year-old third grader that los angeles county is sending to get weekly testing. we are going to be working to unwind the sort of testing psychology. >> he says the biden administration has been promoting. do you believe there's a testing psychology? is that our way out of the pandemic? >> i think that's ludicrous. that reminds me of when president trump said we are testing too many people. there's no rationale -- to say and write off what happens to children who get covid, i want to invite the surgeon general to come to my shoes and understand what we are seeing with children not only with long covid but we are seeing too many children that are unvaccinated and
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omicron is presenting in the upper airways. that can present complications to children. i don't want people to fall into this narrative of only testing people who are vulnerable. that's actually how we made mistakes in the past of not understanding how extensive covid is. >> let me see if we can end on a positive note. we heard from dr. richard besser who said omicron may be the panel out of the pandemic. he was explaining if you get more infections, you could get more protection. do you share that hope? do you think that maybe after a few rough weeks, if this omicron surge hits and drops like we saw in south africa, this could be the beginning of the end? >> i hope so. i will be humble enough to tell you, i hope that's true. on the flip side, i have talked to enough immunologists who have trained me that the more time this virus has to replicate,
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it's an opportunity to get smarter and escape our immunity, which we see evidence of. i think what's true is there's so many infections that this is the beginning of the end of the first phase of our pandemic. this is a significant milestone. life doesn't just go back to normal after the surge. i think that's what we need to help americans prepare for. >> dr. patel, important context, expertise, thank you. good to see you. on capitol hill, behind me here, democratic leaders are planning a day of reflection and remembrance to mark thursday's anniversary of the january 6th attack. the committee investigating it could pick up its pace with public hearings maybe in a matter of weeks. they are zeroing in on what former president did and did not do that day and the days leading up to it. liz cheney confirming, ivanka asked her father twice to do something to stop the violence. i want to bring in john
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bresnahan. we talk about milestones. this is one of them, one year since the attack that unfolded live on this network and other networks across the country. >> three days away from the one-year anniversary of january 6. the committee is sifting through a massive amount of evidence to make sense of what happenene they say they have talked to more than 300 witnesses. they have collected more than 35,000 documents. there are other witnesses refusing to cooperate who are looking at or could look at criminal context citation and potential criminal charges from the justice department. 2022 is going to be a crucial year on two fronts. they are expecting to complete their report on what happened as well as put out recommendations to prevent another january 6 from happening in the future. what could that mean?
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punishment for future presidents for what liz cheney called a dereliction of duty when she alleged that then president trump sat and watched the deadly attack on the capitol unfold on television without doing much. it could mean changes to the electoral count act that governs the certification of votes. it could mean changes to the certification process. one house member, one senator alone cannot potentially object and disrupt the counting. it's going to be a crucial year for the future of american democracy. >> there's a really important part of this that garrett haake teased out, the issue of police preparedness. the impact on the force that covers and watches the capitol one year later. i want to play what the chief of the u.s. capitol police told him a couple days ago. >> what keeps you up at night? >> right now, probably 200
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officers below what we had pre-january 6. we are 400 below what we need today. >> talk about the implications of that. that's startling to hear about the deficit when it comes to the police force. >> yeah. the chief is going to testify again this week on january 5th before the senate rules committee. i think this is -- whether there will be some effort -- the senate is in. the house is not. there will be vigils to remember the insurrection and those who died. we are waiting to see if there's some protesters or rioters or whatever you want to call them, if they're going -- if there's more trouble on thursday. i think, listen, we have thousands of national guard
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troops here after the insurrection for months. they were going to pour a lot more money into the u.s. capitol police, into building security, infrastructure. that hasn't happened. it is slow to build up, to build the police force up to the place they want to get it. it's going to take months and years. there's been a long time recruiting problem for the capitol police. men and women who train for the police get the same as other federal law enforcement agencies and they are recruited to other agencies. this has been a longtime problem. it's a problem. it's interesting to hear the chief talk about it that way. >> when you look where we are politically, there have been new polls that came out in the last couple days, showing more than half of republicans think the people involved in the january 6 attack were protecting
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democracy, not threatening it, which was the case. when you look at that, when you look at the deadline pressure, if you will, now that we are in 2022 with the midterms 11 months away and the house select committee having a ticking clock on the ability to get work done, how does that play out? >> the republicans are trying to run out the clock. so far, the members who the committee has asked to respond, scott perry and jim jordan, asked them. they refused to comply. we will have to see whether or not the committee will subpoena the members and whether that gets -- but we are on january 3. chairman thompson was talking about whether they can subpoena members. the pace on this has to pick up. they have done a good job so far. but they really need to pick up the pace on this.
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the republicans are thinking, we get one year out from now, if they are in charge of the house, this goes away. the democrats have to get this done in 12 months, including any potential legal battles. >> thanks to both of you. coming up next, big change might be coming in the senate. the issue that the majority leader says today he may be setting up a vote on the filibuster for. donald and ivanka subpoenaed by the new york state attorney general. we will talk about what's behind the move in a minute. the move ie and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily or take longer for bleeding to stop.
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leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill. this would be a significant rules change. not every democrat is on board. joe manchin is concerned about this. it's an indication of just how seriously democrats are going to go after this voting rights issue. >> reporter: yeah. this is the farthest we have seen senator schumer go on this issue and a rules change. in the past, over the past several months, he has said he is keeping all of his options on the table. now he advocated for it. he made the case for changing the rules if ten republicans do not join all democrats in supporting the voting rights legislation. in this letter he directly links january 6, which we're coming up on the anniversary, to the changes made in republican state legislatures across the country where they are making it more
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difficult to vote. in this letter he also says something pretty harrowing. january 6 was a symptom of a broader illness. an effort to delegitimize our republic. the events of that day will not be an aberration, they will be the new norm. he is sending a warning that the same thing that happened january 6 could happen again. in the future, perhaps the election would actually be stolen, not the claims that the former president likes to make. in his letter today, he outlined the schedule. he says he is going to put up that voting rights legislation on the floor once again in the next week or so. if republicans block it, then on or before martin luther king junior day, they will debate and perhaps consider changing the senate rules in order to get this done.
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>> something i know you will watch closely over the next few weeks and months. thank you. end of an era out of new hampshire. the longest serving secretary of state stepping down. he is known for fighting to keep new hampshire as a first in the nation primary state. as for why he is stepping down. i just think it's time. local reporters know his name and face well. he came into office in 1976. up next, why the investigation into the trumpfam affair. new reporting. what happened to the rioters after january 6? what it says about the current state of extremism in this country. ate of extremism in this country.
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was revealed the former president was being subpoenaed. the documents part of an agreement between the two sides giving the trumps until the end of the week to respond. tom, you have to think, there's virtually no way -- there's a snowball's chance in hell that don junior and ivanka say, let me comply. they will move to quash them. talk about how likely a judge ends up ruling in their favor or the ag's. >> that's the appropriate metaphor for today looking over your shoulder. i think it's unlikely they will want to sit for this wholesale. the focus is something you and i have talked about numerous times before. this investigation into whether or not the trumps were involved in inflating the value of their properties or misvaluing the value for tax purposes or bank purposes. all this we know about. there's a parallel criminal
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investigation. what's new today is the fact that the two subpoenas were issued to ivanka and donald trump junior as a result of this civil inquiry seeking not only documents but also testimony focused on the question of the valuations of the properties. it's also on any matter which the attorney general deems pertinent thereto. that is pretty broad. i suspect the trump's attorneys will attack that second part of the sentence and try to get them to hone in a little bit as far as the scope of what they will be ask and the scope of the documents they are looking for as it pertains to the civil inquiry. the results cannot result in criminal charges, because it's a civil inquiry. it's a civil lawsuit. if the president -- former president's children want to take the fifth amendment in the course of any testimony they provide, they can. an important note that legal experts we have spoken to say,
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they can repeatedly ask questions that anybody can assert their fifth amendment assertion to. in a civil deposition in new york, you can ask questions and drill down on areas to eventually present to a jury in a civil proceeding. this is where they didn't want to answer. they said they have an issue. it might help inform them on the criminal side. it's an interesting tactic. >> that's interesting. we will see how that goes. happy new year. back to the capitol riot, a week of special coverage here at nbc news looking at the state of extremism in the country. you can't talk about extremism without talking about january 6. we saw the faces of thousands of angry americans. none of them famous before january 6, but after, infamous with their role in the attack. some facing criminal charges. how some of them became
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radicalized. there's another question. where did they go after finally being sent home that day? what happened to the anger that sent them there in the first place? a new investigation out just this afternoon from nbc news starts to shine a light on the answers. it ended up back in their hometowns with them. not centralized in d.c. but spread across the country. i'm joined by the author behind that piece. what's so interesting is there's a couple of groups of people who showed up on january 6. people who were members of militias. and then these average joe citizens that ended up at the capitol sparked by lies about the election, propagated by former president donald trump. on january 7, on may 7, on december 7, what happened to some of these people? >> it's funny, because the next day, people were still high from the experience.
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those dabblers in extremism that we saw, grandmothers, normal people, seemingly conservatives who were drunk on extremism that day and went into the capitol, those people along with our die hard extremists were celebrating. then the hangover set in. you had people deleting video. militia groups disbanding. they wiped out forums. after this cooling off period, sparked by arrests and, frankly, a pr crisis, you had the domestic groups that were the hard core extremist groups evolving, resurfacing and going local. they are spreading their messages and recruiting not through an election but through culture war debates like vaccines, race, education, local elections. it feels very much like early 2020 again in some respects.
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>> we will show it later this week, but i'm looking at the roots of the stop the steal movement. it's the localization of the big lie. you are seeing it in these grass-roots places, in local races, for example, where former president trump tried to put his stamp on things. >> 100%. we remember 2020, liberate michigan, the president's tweets that they were talking about going into your statehouses and sieging the statehouses. we had the high of this -- of the nation's capitol. now it swung the other way. we see people retreat back to their statehouses. >> you have -- we talked about these more well organized groups, proud boys, oath keepers, which had so many scrutiny. it seemed to stall the moe men -- the momentum in the first months. what's happening now? >> there have been more than 700 arrests and charges filed. not everyone, but a large
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portion -- there are do dozens proud boys facing charges. a lot have been decentralized because they lost leader or they turned and are witnesses to the feds. look at the proud boys. we used to have a strong national core. now we have the growing local movements. we see proud boys in the streets again. long island, we see them in north carolina, the pacific northwest. holding anti-mask protests out of high schools. a colorado militia filed into a school board meeting to oppose mask mandates. we are seeing them pop out their heads again. the question now is, what do we do to mitigate these movements before we see them sort of con
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converge on the next big issue? >> you saw, okay, maybe this come to jesus moment in the days after january 6, maybe this really intense disinformation needs to be stopped on our platforms, maybe we need to ban them. that still exists. there are fertile online communities where folks are find finding like-minded people. >> when you allow people to grow movements on platforms that are very good at connecting people and then they grow movements and you say, you are not allowed here anymore, the base and the movement is so strong that when they go to alternative platforms, which they have done, telegram or some white nationalists have start third own streaming network, they bring the audience with them. those audiences have shifted. all eyes are no longer on these smaller platforms. the threat grows without all of
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the attention on it. >> great to have you on. thank you. catch more of the report on "nbc nightly news." she will be on with lester holt, 6:30 eastern. twitter, now facebook. why one controversial congresswoman is getting kicked off social media. whether this is the start maybe of something bigger for tech or simply more of the same. ame. the real honey you love... plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? now get powerful relief with robitussin elderberry. aleve-x. it's fast, powerful long-lasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design. because with the right pain reliever... life opens up. aleve it... and see what's possible. what happens when you block heartburn with one prilosec otc in the morning? heartburn doesn't stand a chance -
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hard to see the destruction from wildfires like these. but it's so emotional for people who have lost their homes, who have nothing. juxtapose that with the fire, the storms, et cetera. i can't imagine. >> reporter: this is the scene they find in neighborhood after neighborhood. you said it, this is so surreal. snow on top of the neighborhood. let me paint the picture. if we were standing here a week ago, you would have seen christmas lights that you can still see melted on the fence. this would be the back of a two-story home, a row of homes. down there, another cul-de-sac filled with homes. on that ridge, three rows of two-story homes. instead, what you see is remnants of the homes that have collapsed in on themselves and are now in the basement. we are talking about temperatures that incinerated almost everything in their path. a little while ago we were talking to a couple. they said they had a grand piano
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inside their home. when they went back looking for things to salvage, they expected to find at least some of the ivory from that piano. they couldn't find anything. everything had been absolutely incinerated. they were overcome with emotion. looking at scenes like this, again, 100 homes here. looking at scenes like this felt to them like they were seeing a cemetery of their lives. they say they are holding on to those they love the most. tack a -- take a listen. >> we will place some of the stuff. we can't replace all of it. the thing that really is meaningful, the people you know, they are loving and caring about you. >> reporter: i asked them what they were going to do. have they thought about rebuilding or calling insurance companies or doing those thing
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things? they just need clothes. her husband was in the swimming pool when he was whistled out. they evacuated. they were able to get to their house. they got inside. they realize the garage door was stuck as they were grabbing whatever they could. they were able to get laptops, a couple of bags filled with clothes. at this point, they are out of clothes. they don't know where they will go. they are living at the embassy suites. they are looking at the future with this overwhelming sense of dread. the only thing giving them hope is the idea that they will be seeing their family hopefully soon. >> awful and heartbreaking. thank you very much. i know you are expecting more from officials this afternoon. kevin mccarthy coming to the defense of marjory taylor green after she was banned from twitter. he did it without mentioning her
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by name. he says diversity of opinion is under assault by big tech. twitter suspended her for repeat lid violating their policy against covid misinformation. facebook put a ban on her account, too. i want to bring in cara swisher. it's great to have you on. let me take the kevin mccarthy stuff and put that in a different bucket. let me start with taylor green. she had five strikes. why did it take -- >> more. >> that's what i mean. why did it take so long to get there? how do you see this move by twitter? >> they finally had to because she kept breaking it. this is what she does on purpose. she can use the megaphone of
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twitter to make trouble and break the rules. then when she gets kicked off, she can see, see, they're sensoring me. it's a bad bug within all the social media sites that you can benefit from getting kicked off. there's no real thing to do. the culture wars, it's nothing to do with free speech and censorship. she never shuts up as far as i can tell. she went over to telegram. she can go to all kinds of sites. she's a persistent troll. they decided to kick off her. she would like to make more of it than that, but it's not. >> you make a point here. you are right, she is trying to make it about free speech. they can't -- big tech can't stop the truth. setting aside she wasn't telling the truth. that's why she got suspended and banned. there are some on the conservative side who say, this is about free speech. this kind of thing is a free speech issue. does that not have merit?
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>> no. it's a private company. they can do whatever they want. this is a private company that can do whatever it wants. it continues to do whatever it wants. it's a first amendment issue for twitter to kick people off. they need to be protected. you don't have a right to be on twitter. you don't have a right to own a harley davidson. you have to buy it. i did an interesting interview with the new ceo who took over after they had their issues last year. he had persuasive ideas about big tech that we agree on. they are too big. twitter is not one of those companies. it's a small company. you don't have a right to be on them. you can have alternatives. all these people who are talking about free speech, they
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certainly get their opinion out. when you violate the rules of a platform over and over again and then you don't expect to be punished for it, it's -- claim free speech, it's like blowing a stop sign and saying, talk to the man. she blew a stop sign and created the traffic accident. that's really what's happened here. >> i told you we would come back to kevin mccarthy. saying the democrats put zero interest in passing laws to regulate social media platforms. ifthe midterms go the way he wants them to and republicans take the house, he is angling to be speaker and could have sway, if you will, over what kinds of social media regulations get passed in that chamber. how do you see that playing out? >> there's a half a dozen interesting bills being worked on in a bipartisan fashion. this is an attempt for him to raise money, make a lot of noise. there's tons of legislation and a lot is quite good.
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congress is slow moving. there's a lot of questions about what to do. people are working together. klobuchar is working with grassley. everything out of his political. he just wants to tweet. he verbally tweets. there is legislation. there should be legislation to deal with big tech in lots of different ways. this is not the hill we want to die on. >> great to have you on. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> good to see you. coming up, the driver at the center of the coded slogan used to insult president biden. why this has become such an issue. oke, for a shave as quick and easy as washing your face.
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which stands for "let's go brandon". the conservative slogan that has been picked up by republicans. brandon brown is the brandon referred to in the slogan. he wants to be sponsored by a bitcoin company called lgb. liz clark is here. tell us what your sources are saying about whether nascar will approve brown's car design. does it seem like it's doomed. >> there is a confusion whether nascar has approved it. my sources say they have not. the team announced nascar have. it would run counter all the directs they have been trying to go to to create a more inclusive welcoming sport for both fans
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and sponsors. so it would be out of step with them. >> you write about that. you talk about that. steven phelps, the president of nascar is trying to make nascarfy feel more inclusive. to approve this lgb brandon thing, what message does that spend send? >> well, the company behind it says it should make you feel proud about america. he's positioning this as when you hear let's go brandon, when you see our car, we want to you think patriotic thoughts about america. i think most people would tell you that that sounds good but that everyone knows this is a euphemism for eff you, joe biden. there is no way around that. the company is trying to have it both ways. this is not a message nascar
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wants front and center. cast nascar's cars are billboards. they go around the track with these messages. so they superintendency is do nascar fans like this? would they cheer the car? it's as much what with xfinity, the sponsor of the series, that's part of comcast, part of nbc. do corporate sponsors want this message going round and round. it is more than are fans excited about a let's go brandon car. >> i have to read the quote are the founder of the lgb bitcoin brand. you will think and feel let's go america. nobody thinks that. people know what it is, right? is this just a big troll? >> i think it is -- you know, it strikes me as an effort to capitalize on hate speech that's very envogue. you know, it has been on a
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lauren bone ertd dress. it is code -- thinly coded hate spreech and it is reflective of the politics of the moment, divisive, full of vitriol, i am not sure nascar wants to be a vehicle for that. >> liz clarke thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for all of you for watching this hour of hallie jackson reports. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts after the quick break. e wallace starts afe quick break. so they only pay for what they need. (gasps) ♪ did it work? only pay for what you need ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ spider-man no way home in theaters december 17th (man 1 vo) i'm living with cll and thanks to imbruvica (man 2 vo) i'm living longer. (vo) imbruvica is a prescription medicine for adults with cll or chronic lymphocytic leukemia.
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