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and running. that's tangible action on this pandemic. far different from the roadblocks his party faces when it comes to passing votes rights. we'll have the latest from capitol hill, on the bills and rules change senators will vote on tonight. also on the hill, more subpoenas from the january 6th committee. this time aimed at four lawyers and trump aallies. there's a new court filing from new york's attorney general. the ag said we have uncovered significant evidence indicating that the trump organization used fraudulent and misleading asset valuations on multiple properties to obtain economic benefits including loans, insurance coverage, and tax deductions for years. the ag adds her office has not yet decided whether the evidence make merits legal action, so what does it all mean? as we mentioned this morning, some of the most prominent allies of former president trump, those who publicly pushed

his false election claims have been subpoenaed by the house committee investigating january 6th. who are they? giuliani who acted as his person lawyer, sydney powell who threatened to quote, release the cracken. a legal lawyer and legal adviser south campaign. garrett haake is following this development. the cracken may not have been released, but the subpoenas have been released. the committee says these four, quote, publicly promoted unsupported claims about the 2020 election and participated in attempts to disrupt or delay the certification of election results. so what could all this signal about the direction of the investigation, and what are the odds that these lawyers are going to cooperate? >> well, all four of these potential witnesses are right at the intersection between the trump campaign, the trump white house, and then the public facing effort to either overturn or undercut the election results. i mean, powell, giuliani,

epstein, ellis, were out in numerous press conferences. they testified before state legislatures. they really were go tweens between the president and the broader public, and i think that's what makes them so appealing as potential witnesses. they can speak to the conspiracy aspects of this case that the january 6th committee is trying to build. it's also what will make them very difficult to nail down as witnesses, because each of them can claim that they were representing mr. trump in an attorney/client privilege manner. we saw that in a tweet from boris epstein. both of them pointed to the idea they are attorneys. they were working with the president, they say, in their legal capacity. this is the kind of thing the committee might be able to get around, but it's going to take another legal fight. the kind of thing the committee may ultimately not have time for. >> one of the legal fights happening right now. garrett haake, thank you so much. i want to turn now to the

investigation into the trump organization by new york's attorney general. we are following this story, and also our msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. ken, can you explain the latest filing by new york's ag, and what does it mean for the trump family? >> well, look, there have been allegations for years that donald trump and his companies had a practice of overstating the value of their assets on financial documents for their own benefit. this filing by the attorney general lays out specific details with receiptsreceipts. there's a separate criminal investigation into the same sorts of issues. the stakes are high here. the document reveals also that the former president's son, eric trump, took the fifth amendment in refusing to answer some of the ag's questions in 2020. that's a huge deal. the filing describes ways trump allegedly inflated his net worth to secure better terms from banks and insurance companies.

for example, the trump organization valued a parcel of land in suburban new york called seven springs at nearly 300 million when, in fact, it have valued at around $50 million according to appraisal. the trump organization is firing back against the allegations saying in a statement that, quote, the only one misleading the public is la tish sha james. she said she based her candidacy on a promise to get trump at all costs without having seen a shred of evidence and in violation of every ethical rule. they've argued it's improper to demand their testimony in a civil investigation when he's also participating in a criminal probe in which subjects have a constitutional right to remain silent. >> the ag's office notes it has not reached a final decision. we know the ag is seeking an order to compel the former president, donald trump junior, and ivanka trump to appear first base sworn testimony. where does the investigation go from here? >> this filing appears to show

the ag can prove material misstatements. it's not clear if she can prove the misstatements were intentional. that's why she's trying to force trump and his children to testify so she can probe their state of mind. they might take the fifth. even if they do that, that might give her the evidence she needs to establish fraud here. and again, this is a civil case. the punishment would be fines. more important questions is whether trump and the children could face criminal charges and legal experts say that's a tough case to make, but that investigation is pending. >> it is a civil investigation. so what level does the evidence need to rise to that it would merit legal action from the attorney general? >> well, you know, as compared to a criminal prosecution which carries the mother of all burdens of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest burden of proof known to our laws, in a civil trial, you only have to prove a case by the. of the evidence. sometimes people say they means

51%. it actually, you know, if you would picture the scales of justice, one more grain of sand on one side of the scales, and you've got a preponderance of the evidence. the burden of proof is lower in a civil case. i think there are a few important take aways from what we learned from state attorney general. it feels like she's nearing the end of her civil investigation because you don't subpoena the targets of the investigation. donald trump, don junior and ivanka, until you have all the other evidence that you would like to use to confront them in a deposition. the other thing is as ken mentioned, they're really going to have an easy way out of testifying. all they have to do is invoke their fifth amendment right against self-ingrim nation. that's exactly what eric trump did, we learned, more than 500 times. setting aside the comedic value of that because his father famously says only mobsters

plead the fifth, which is not true or accurate, there are important legal consequences when pleads the fifth in a civil case, that can be used against them unlike a criminal case. it can be presented to the civil jury at trial, and the jury is instructed they can draw negative inferences against the person who pleaded the fifth. and that can be used as evidence to decide the case against that person. so i think as ken suggested, the stakes are really high at this moment. >> having flashbacks to my college political science classes. we heard the statement from the trump organization slamming the attorney general in the public sphere. so in your mind, what should be the trump team's strategy through the legal system? is it to drag it out as long as they can? >> yeah. i think their strategy is to try to avoid testifying at all costs. why? because they are very likely culpable in one way or another. and remember, there is a

parallel criminal investigation that is now being headed up by the new district attorney in manhattan. so the last thing these three individuals who have just been subpoenaed are going to want to do is be placed under oath and be forced to answer questions. so i think their goal will be to avoid testifying at all costs, probably file all sorts of challenges, whether meritorious or frivolous to try to delay their ultimate day of reckoning. and then if push comes to shove, i bet their attorneys will say at the end of the day, you better invoke the fifth, because you could incriminate yourself. >> i mean, we have a civil investigation and a criminal investigation here. at this point do they influence one another at all? >> well, i think they do if only because there's some cross pollination between james' office and the manhattan district attorney's office. which, as we'll recall, even

though it happened some time ago, has already criminally indicted donald trump's name sake. the trump organization, and his long-time cfo, allen weisselberg, and it doesn't feel like the manhattan district attorney's office is necessarily done issuing indictments yet. so there is lots of crossover which presents both opportunities for law enforcement and for the civil case, but it also gives the trumps a little bit of a vehicle to challenge these subpoenas that were issued by james' officer, saying, for example, it's really just a ruse to help bolster the criminal investigation being conducted. >> ken, glen, thank you both. appreciate it. the nation's two largest wireless carriers have officially turned on their 5g service in the u.s., but they've also agreed for now to limit that service with so-called buffer zones in some airports. the move is a par shall

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two sought after items the white house is making available to every american in the fight against this pandemic. the white house announced early this morning that 400 million n95 masks will be available for free at thousands of locations across the country. that is the largest deployment of ppe, personal protective equipment, in u.s. history. the announcement follows the rollout of the new website for americans to order free at-home covid tests. nbc's mike memoli is at the white house. heidi przybyla is in washington d.c., and steven sample, an emergency physician at memorial hospital in jasper, indiana. good to have you with us. mike, we can expect to hear more about the measures this afternoon when the president holds his news conference. what more can you tell us about this new plan for masks and this new website for the tests? >> yes. certainly, the president is going to be wanting to make sure the american people now know that for all the questions about whether there would be enough tests for americans, they believe they solved that problem. we saw the white house beta test the new website officially

launching today where you can go on and request four take-home tests to be shipped to you. the white house says they'll be shipped out in 7 to 10 days. this is not a small thing. we know especially with so many veterans of the obama administration and this white house, the past problems we've seen when the white house tries to launch a website of this scale, obviously selecting health care versus getting masks, a different equation. the postal service working with the service with what seems to be a successful launch. the masking is a significant shift from what was focussed on a vaccine alone stratify for this white house, but the white house making the point for so many americans that went to community health centers to get the vaccine, you can now go to the same locations in many cases to get one of these n95 masks. using the defense production act, the president has given us enough supply, the white house says, for those to be made available for free to americans.

that's something they're going to be encouraging them to do starting next week. masking. an important mitigation step the white house is pushing for the american people to do as well as getting that vaccine, getting that booster. >> doctor, i want to bring you in. this is happening as the u.s. reported, over 12 -- 1.2 million infections. nearly 3,000 deaths on tuesday alone. we need tests. we need masks. some are wondering is it too late or will the tools help us fight omicron right now? >> well, thank you for having me. excuse me. yes. so is it too late? that is the question. certainly we know that masking is a very important part of the mitigation strategy. and ordinarily in my neck of woods in southwest indiana, that mask goes -- and i think that the push for vaccines is by far and away -- i'm super happy to see this. i will get my n95 mask on the

website today. and get tests. but it may be coming a little late, at least for this wave. >> all right. heidi, let's bring you in. the new white house testing coordinator spoke with nbc news about this new plan to give out free n95 masks and the at-home covid tests to americans for free. what did he tell you in your conversation with him? >> a lot of things. he wanted to make clear the circumstances under which people should use the free tests. number one, if you have covid symptoms. number two, if you have been exposed to sun who has covid. wait five days, use the test. thirdly, if you've been around someone who has preexisting conditions. secondly, he was stressing that this is not just about getting us over omicron. as you were discussing earlier, there's a lot of questions about whether this is coming too late. i asked him that question, joe, and he said that this is about building long-term capacity and fundamentally changing the role of the government. the government has been under

immense pressure ever since the trump administration to leverage its bulk purchasing powers, and finally, they're doing that. take a listen. >> so these tests will help us with omicron. but they will also help us in the period of time beyond omicron. we're going to need to have testing capacity for the long run and this program will help people meet their testing needs, meet community testing needs for the long-term. >> so he told me that the masks will begin to ship out to the pharmacies and community centers, the same places where you got your shots, where you get your testing. at the end of this week and hopefully access will be available sometime next week. i asked them if there were priorities groups of people who should get the masks. he said no. we think the supply is substantial enough that anybody who wants one can get one. it is still an open question. how many masks per person? all the things still kind of out there as questions and how often

they're going to be doing these types of runs given this may not be the last variant, may not be the last wave of covid that we see. >> dr. sample, i want to talk about kids right now. according to the american academy of pediatrics, nearly 1 million kids tested positive for covid last week. that's a 69% increase from just the week before. so did you ever think we would see this level of transmission among young people, and does that worry you? how much does it worry you? >> well, yeah. it feels like i saw about the surge of the millions last week at work. i've seen more babies, children and toddlers over the last two weeks than i've seen probably cumulatively throughout the entire pandemic. however, we're spreading it so much. i'm not sure that the numbers actually are higher than would be expected, but boy, they are all coming at the same time. and certainly, it is worry someso some degree. we know a small subset of the kids are going to get really, really sick.

thankfully i'm not seeing that as the predominant thing, and most of -- >> and here's a question i know a lot of parents have right now. according to the cdc, n95 masks might be available in smaller sizes, but they are designed to be used for adults. they haven't been tested for broad use in children. what should be done to slow the spread among kids if high quality masks aren't an option and we know masks are important to stopping the omicron spread? >> you know, honest, i think we may be beyond that now. i think one of the reasons last year that we were successful for keeping our kids relatively unaffected by this compared to the population was the fact that school were shut down. we know that causes harm, but as long as we have bars and restaurants open, we've got to have our schools open. i would love to see higher quality masks on our kids. though, i have politicians in my state that have just shot down any attempt at mask mandates and

they're trying to shoot down vaccine mandates. so i am not entirely sure what the best thing is to do. you've got to teach your own kids for their own safety. have them wear their masks whenever they can, and try to stay back. this is really hard now. >> mike memoli, heidi przybyla, dr. steven sample, thank you all. we are hours away from a senate vote on changing the filibuster rules to pass a voting rights bill. we're going to check in on the plan and the latest on the two democratic holdouts. but first this morning, the fashion world is mourning the death of one of its most influential figures. andre leon talley. he died at the age of 73. he was a larger than life south who went to the jim crow south to every fashion week worldwide. he was the creative director and editor at large of "vogue". he even helped dress michelle obama when she was first lady. he advocated for more diversity

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right now we're keeping an eye on the senate floor. democratic senator gair gary pe is speaking right now. klobuchar reminded her colleagues voting rights was once a bipartisan issue. senators are expected to vote, a vote not expected to pass, killing democrat's hopes of pass two acts. we are joined from capitol hill. this is going to be a process. take us through what we're expecting to see this evening and why the senate majority leader schumer is still pressing forward, knowing it's going to fail. >> yeah. because that's what's really been happening here, joe. we've seen the pressure continue

to ratchet up on voting rights even from the end of the year. but the realities here in the senate have not changed in terms of being able to get that done. in large part, that's because there is no republican support for the voting rights bills that you mentioned. and there's not full democratic unity around changing the rules in order to pass it by a simple majority. those are the stakes right now as we head into tonight. what you're seeing on the screen is what we've been seeing all morning. senators from both parties speaking about this moment in history, both from a voting rights perspective, but also about the way the senate actually functions. schumer for his part, saying he is pushing ahead on both, putting it to a vote later tonight. check out what he said earlier. >> for months senate republicans have come up with excuses and sub tri fujs to avoid doing the right thing. a senator's job is to vote, and so to the vote on the most important issues facing us, and vote, we will.

>> that's where we're headed now, joe. tonight around 6:30 or so, we're expected to see the first of these votes. that's actually to move for closure on the voting rights bills you talked about. that is expected to fail, because of of a lack of republican support. then we're going to see schumer and democrats move onto voting on a targeted rules change that would bring back a talking filibuster for this package of voting right bills specifically. we know, though, that senator kyrsten sinema is not for that. neither is senator joe manchin. we actually expect to hear from him on the floor of the senate today as well. laying out his position, but as we've been hearing from democratic senators who have been in caucus meetings with him over the course of the last few days, he has continued to push back on the idea that the senate rules need to be changed in this fashion, and pushed back on the idea when other senators have brought up historical precedence for changing the rules, manchin has not seemingly been swayed by those. he's been clear on his position all along. that means even the voting package on a rules change is likely to fail as well, leaving

democrats exactly where they started on this. >> let's take a listen in right now to senator gary peters in michigan, saying our democracy has survived unprecedented challenges. let's listen to what he has to say. we should celebrate that we had record turnout, even in a once in a lifetime pandemic. and we should commend the election workers who made this incredible feat possible. instead, too many people including too many of my republican colleagues, have continued to sew doubt in the integrity of our election process. and these actions threaten the very bedrock of our democracy. instead of condemning falsehoods and violence, there is a concerted effort underway in michigan, and all across our country to rewrite history. remove election officials. and rewrite state laws to limit

voter participation. one of the bills that was introduced in michigan legislature would lock up absentee drop boxes before election day. one republican city clerk called this idea crazy. and said it makes no sense whatsoever. i agree. another bill would restrict the ability of -- >> you're listening to senator peters speaking on the senate floor about vote gt rights and the filibuster. i want to bring in allie. that's just a sample of the passionate speeches we're expected to hear today. are they going to make a difference? >> it's not likely they will. these are the same kinds of impassioned arguments that democrats have been given behind the scenes for weeks to manchin and sinema, because, again, they are the two people at this juncture who are standing in the way of democrats pushing forward on this issue alone. even without republican support, because of the way that mamplgen

and sinema are thinking about not change the rules in the senate. there's the larger picture where democrats are framing this as the fundamental issue of democracy. we've heard from senator peters in the last few seconds, but it's also something i have been hearing from the members of congressional black caucus. they likened this issue and made it so personal for them, and the members of their communities back home in voting in different states that are voting. and so for them, they have made this a very personal issue. we've watched those kinds of personal appeals continue toward manchin and sinema. it hasn't changed the stakes yet. now it leaves senators in a position of having to take a vote on a rules change, potentially for some of the frontline democrats, that could be a tough political vote to take. nevertheless, that looks like the one they're going to have to later tonight. >> allie on capitol hill. we're going to keep talking about voting, but in particular wisconsin. the wisconsin supreme court is hearing oral arguments in a case

that could determine the political map for the next decade. the court is taking up the case after the governor and republican legislature there failed to agree on new legislative and congressional maps after the census. shaquille brewster is inside the state capitol. it falls on the state's conservative supreme court to decide the maps. so explain what this means, what's happening in the hearing that's happening right now. >> yeah. i believe you have live pictures of what's happening in the room right behind me. this is the supreme court going through what's expected to be about five hours of oral arguments as they determine which maps to consider and which maps they should review and implement in the redistricting process. you mentioned this is the first time that the state supreme court has taken the decision to redo their maps since about 1964. normally this is a federal court that will do it when there's an impasse between the legislature and dwroerch. a lot of arguments deal with the voting rights act, and whether

or not different maps, about nine groups have submitted proposed maps. whether or not different maps conformed to the voting rights act and the requirements in that act. specifically when representing and dealing with the representation of black voters. look, we talk about redistricting all the time. i want to pull up this graphic. it shows why democrats are fighting for maps that are different than the ones that currently exist. in 2010, the maps were redrawn in wisconsin by republicans. you see the 2018 governor's results, scott walker andsteinny evers, pretty right down the middle. the democrat won. based on the new maps, you see it on the right, democrats despite that, only picked up 36 seats in the legislature. if those old maps were used, they would have picked up 46 seats. democrats are fighting for new maps. republicans are asking that the court adopt maps as close to what we have now or what the state of wisconsin has right

now, and i'll tell you that this is a court that has already given republicans somewhat of a victory by saying in late november that they will adopt the so-called least change approach. they'll adjust the maps now as required by law and by both state and federal law, and that's what they're going through right now. that's what parties are determining now best to accomplish that in the process. >> high stakes hearing in wisconsin. shaquille brewster, shaq, thank you. new warnings from the white house that russia could invade ukraine at any time. what we learned this morning about secretary of state blinken's meeting with the ukrainian president. plus a major new test for president biden this afternoon. we'll look at what he wants to accomplish with today's news conference, and whether it could help get his agenda back on track. agenda ba ockn agenda ba ockn tramedicine for adults with cll or chronic lymphocytic leukemia. imbruvica is not chemotherapy-

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right now secretary of state blinken is in ukraine.

he's warning russia of very severe consequences if it keeps up the aggression on the country's border. the meeting with ukraine's president is a day after the white house said it believes russia could launch an invasion into ukraine at any point. the joint press conference with ukraine's foreign minister, blinken had this to say about who is to blame if diplomacy fails. >> if it's not going to produce results, it's going to be because russia has chosen another path, not because the united states and our european allies, ukraine, have not sought to resolve the differences we have with russia on a peaceful process. richard engel is in ukraine. what are you seeing from your van teenage point? how are things there changing? >> reporter: we're seeing this new round of diplomatic activity. we've heard from the secretary of state who is here in kiev

still, and next stop is germany, and after that geneva to meet with the russian -- his russian counterpart, the foreign minister. we've also heard today from one of the senior officials in the russian foreign policy word, the deputy foreign minister who was leading the russian deegation in last week's talks. the talks that didn't end in any conclusion, and what he said, the russian deputy foreign minister is one of russia's main issues is the gradual, he described it as a drift of ukraine into nato. the united states has often been complaining that this is a theoretical issue, that russia and vladimir putin have invented a crisis out of nowhere, that they're saying that they're demanding that ukraine never become part of nato, and that the process is a long way off.

today the russian deputy foreign minister was saying the concern they have is that every year, even though it's not formally part of nato or part of the nato structure, ukraine gets more and more into the nato fold with more and more military exercises, with the united states and other countries supplying troops, supplying advisers, that it is becoming a de facto nato partner. so we're hearing a somewhat more subtle argument from the russians than we had in the past, but as far as we can tell, and we're not in the room because there are many different negotiating rooms right now, they're happening here in kiev. then in germany. they're happening in geneva. they've been happening in moscow. the german foreign minister was in moscow yesterday. this is true international diplomacy. but as far as the public positioning, the two sides seem far off, but we're hearing today a little bit more of an explanation from russia about what exactly its objections are.

that it's not just the theoretical future membership of nato. it doesn't like this gradual encroachment it sees within ukraine. >> richard engel, richard in kiev. thank you so much. in just the last hour, president biden signed a national security memorandum aimed at improving u.s. cyber security. it aims to improve the government's ability to identify cyber threats, requires agencies to take specific action when threats are detected. and directs the nsa to create security standards and testing requirements to protect critical classified networks. coming up, fighting the pandemic. getting soaring prices under control, and pushing for some kind of action on voting rights. those are just some of the issues president biden is likely to talk about and be asked about in his big press conference this afternoon. how he's hoping to get his message straight to the american people. that's next. to the american people that's next.

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back now with a live look at the white house. in a little more than four hours president biden will hold the second solo news conference of his presidency nearly a year to

the day since taking office. it comes with the white house looking to hit the reset button faced with slipping approval ratings, a lingering pandemic, and the all but doomed votes on voting rights. joining me, two guests. senior administration officials tell us the white house communication strategy boils down to making his conversations with congress less of a priority while spending more time communicating with the american teem. -- people. one of you -- senator, in your mind, what does talking more to the american people and less to congress look like for the president? it's one thing to say you're going to do it. what does it look like? >> it looks like spending time in rural america, spending time in the interlands, identifying those things that you're doing

in states, whether it's part of the infrastructure package or looking at health care and seeing about rural healthcare. it's about saying washington is washington. we know that they're dysfunctional, but we're here to help. the they're dysfunctional but we're here to help. and the one thing that this president has to begin to address is inflation. my recommendation would be everything you talk about is how you're going to bring down the everyday costs of doing business in this country. the everyday cost of just living and existing. and listening to people as they explain the concerns they have about inflation. if he can get his economic numbers up it will go a long ways towards recovering politically what we're seeing right now in terms of the poll numbers. >> harry, a reset is not a new thing for the administration. the timing is a little interesting it's before this year's midterms, not after them. does the president have the

chance to change the tide, ahead of november, by getting a start now? >> he has to. but i don't think he has a messaging problem as the senator was nipping at. that the senator noted covid is not a message problem. you think about inflation, covid and the gridlock in washington. i think those are things -- i mean, those are things that are out of his control, they're a little bit hard to fix. but that's it. i think people are responding to real events and real things happening in their lives and in the country's life. so, i don't think he can fix it with words alone. but i do think resolving those three issues, covid, inflation, the gridlock or talk about other issues. and that could be education, that could be crime. i just think that he's got to sort of appear to be solving some kinds of problems, as to not fixing things, is where we are right now. >> let's talk more about that

strategy, perry. in washington the president's agenda is stalled. it doesn't look like the voting rights bill is going to pass. build back better is stuck. and the response to covid is going to stay rechlt for a while and that's going to evolve as the year goes along. in your mind, what's the best message democrats have to hit the road with right now? >> i happen to think the best message is we aren't doing that well, but the other guys are crazy in trying to bend and teaching history and trying to make it harder to vote and so on. i think enforcing where we are right now, president biden can't really say, i have fixed things. i have fixed the economy, i have made washington work. that's just not where we are. he can say the republicans are at a war against democracy. i think that's true. and i think that would be an accurate statement, that might motivate voters to support democrats. >> senator, tonight, the senate's going to vote on voting

rights legislation. does not have the 60 votes needed to pass. they're going to vote on the change of the filibuster which also doesn't have the votes to pass. overnight, you and ten other senate democrats signed an open letter that, quote, meaningful reform to senate rights for fair efree elections. do you think there's any reform that senator joe manchin might actually agree to? >> you know, those talks are ongoing. the problem that you have, this is this myth that is growing up around the filibuster that this is some holy grail, you can't touch it. it's been amended a hundred times. it's been an accident in history to begin with. it's been used in away, certainly, african americans

understand to prevent voting rights in the '60s. so, it has a, you know, a very difficult history. so, when you look at, we did a carveout for budget reconciliation. listen, we're spending trillions of dollars in this country without a filibuster vote. we are doing things like almost eliminating obamacare, but without a filibuster interfering. and so you look at reconciliation as a major carveout, and you say, what makes sense right now in terms of getting people back voting and getting people to debate the issues in front of the public. and to me, a talking filibuster makes perfect sense. it doesn't mean that you eliminate minority right, it means you get to the point where you can have the dialogue. filibuster motion to proceed should never happen. we should have dialogue, debate in this country. so, let's not overemphasize this glorious history of the filibuster. it's been amended a hundred

times. there are, in fact, many carveouts whether it's trade promotion, whether it's a carveout for budget reconciliation, emergency powers to help people when they're hurting from natural disasters. so, i mean, what is more critical and important than voting rights? and i think that's really the question that ten of us, mostly moderates, who have signed this, former democrats who used to be in the position of sinema and senator manchin saying, you know, why don't you take a second look and do the country's work as well. and, so, i want to just mention that there are thing nas can be done on inflation to reduce energy costs in this country. there are strategies that this president can pursue, to at least, number one, tell the public, number one, i hear you. and number two, this is what we're doing when we're addressing problems with inflation. i'm not saying this is a messaging problem. i think it's a problem when people see that their costs are goes up.

they need that addressed by washington. it's not going to happen in the congress. the president needs to do the power that -- use the power that he has to address inflation and address other issues that people are very concerned about right now. whether it's health care costs. whether it is in fact costs regarding crime and what's happening on the streets. let's give the people a response to the concerns that they're seeing. and i think this president can do it. >> former senator heidi heitkamp and perry bacon jr., thank you both, appreciate it. that does it for me this hour. you can watch me at 7:00 a.m. eastern on "morning news now" on nbc news now, our streaming platform. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next

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