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really rich white christian men and their wives, many with inherited wealth, a small merchant class and lots and lots of poor people and people of color, mainly black people who were de facto unequal. indeed until the 20th century which many consider to be the great american century. women couldn't vote, black men could vote on paper but faced everything from local trickery to lynching to stop them. immigrants were routinely routed to urban ghettos and ramped segregation and a free for all for industrialests to exploit ununionized workers and drill and mine and pollute at will. by the end of that century, largely due to progressive democratic presidents, democratic legislative super majorities despite the dixie cats and forward looking supreme court justices a lot about america changed. and most people think it changed for the better. but not everyone agrees that the

new deal, the end of child labor, the ability of american workers to unionize and expanded women's liberty and voting rights are good things. and now the american right has just the kind of supreme court that can start rolling those things back. but to get to that, they first had to get the right president. >> the supreme court wields more power over your life than ever before. it's decisions carry supreme consequences. judges do not simply appear out of thin air. they're picked by the president you elect and the next president could appoint multiple justices to the supreme court determining the direction for a generation or longer. we need to elect a president who understands the limited role judges should play in our government. the court is at a crossroads and your rights are at stake.

that's why every judge matters. >> so that was a pre2016 election video from the heritage foundation, which most people don't pay much attention to but basically provides the list republican presidents choose judges from. note all the little while male icons just so you know who they were talking to and the heritage foundation has won that fight. their hand picked nominees are a super majority on the court and that means the repeal of the 20th century with its progressive reforms that largely benefitted black and brown americans and women is well underway or at least it's very much at risk. roe v wade the voting rights act, environmental protections and now the roberts court has taken up two cases on yet another right wing bogeyman, affirmative action and we have to remain open to the idea they could surprise us as constitutional lawyer lawrence tribe puts it, it's that feeling you get when you know exactly what each of the nine justices

will do but have to pretend you're uncertain while the justices go through the motion of deep thought for a year and a half. joining me is melissa murray nyu law professor and associate professor at colorado state university and researcher in asian affirmative action and host of "fireside history" on peacock. thank you both for being here. i want to start with you first, melissa. you essentially tweeted today that the supreme court members are in like yolo mode. like beast mode. we'll be heroes on the right and do what we do. are you as pessimistic about the way you assume they will role and the 6-3 verdict i think is coming on affirmative action and if you can explain the two cases before us ahead. >> sure. so these are two cases that challenge the use of race in higher education admissions.

one concerns harvard university which is a private university. it is governed by federal statutory law so the question is whether harvard violets those statutes if it uses race in any way in shaping its class. the second case involves the university of north carolina, a public institution and this is a constitutional question. whether the university of north carolina, if it uses race is part of its wholistic calculus which can only allow for the use of race classifications if it's tailored to meet a compelling government need and the government need is diversity and higher education. this court has in the past taken up these questions multiple times most recently in 2016. they're in a 4-3 decision, the court upheld the use of race in limited ways in higher education admissions but as i said in my tweet today, this is a 6-3 court

that is defying all expectations of the experiment. they have the votes. they can do this now and i suspect as professor tribe does they are likely to go all the way and dismantle affirmative action entirely. >> we'll put up there the previous 2016 affirmative action decision and those who vote in favor, anthony kennedy and ginsburg passed, sonia sotomayor and alito expecting a fiery decision knocking down affirmative action because they think it's a terrible thing. you wrote a brief. your organization wrote a brief on the harvard case on behalf of social scientists studying asian-american education issues because in this case, what the right is trying to do is hit in a sense asian-american applicants against african american applicants in an attempt to shift the narrative away from so-called reverse

discrimination. wholistic review helps prevent admissions professionals from evaluating asian-americans as a block into more accurately and realistically understand them as a highly diverse racial group by removing the consideration of race more harm would be inflicted on asian-americans. talk about this sort of pitting one group against another and the way the right is skillful at trying to do it. >> yeah, as professor murray mentioned, there is more than 40 years of legal precedent establishing the legalities of race conscious admissions and there is also 40 plus years of research on the books that demonstrate how race conscious admissions benefits asian-americans and all students of color and all students, more generally. they realize they keep losing over and over and over again every lower court so far in both cases has affirmed that diversity matters, that race can be one of many factors. and so they're playing this asian versus black and latino game essentially playing a really scenical racist game to

try to gain some ground on something that they keep losing on and asian-americans remain overwhelmingly supportive of affirmative action and conscious admissions and as it was once said, we will not be used. especially in the last two years where anti asian discrimination and bias and violence are top of mind and reality we cannot end this tool to combat discrimination. >> yet, i feel like we are. michael beschloss, the thing that seems to have changed has been their level of creativity. it used to be a blatant argument white people were being done wrong by these changes, right, from brown v board on, the civil rights act and voting rights act. this is doing us wrong somehow. there is morecreativity but it does feel to me like the right is sort of on the verge of at least trying to aggressively

repeal all that the 20th century meant for progress for everyone else. >> right, been trying to do this for years and rollback the progressive reforms of the court from the 1950s to the 1970s. they have been desperatefy this, they finally got it. at the democrats had won the presidency in 2016, there would be a strong majority we wouldn't be talking about this segment. this is a court one-third of the nine justices appointed by one donald trump. every single one of them has a shadow. the first one, the justice, first justice appointed should have been appointed and confirmed in 2016, should have been merrick garland. that was a stolen seat. mitch mcconnell refused to

confirm him and as a result we have neil gorsuch. seat number two anthony kennedy on the court and his son was a banker for bob donald trump. deutsche bank. the son was an accessory to persuade anthony kennedy to leave the court and we got bref -- brett kavanaugh. vacancy number three, ruth bader ginsburg died, 1864 similar as lincoln. wait for the new president to be elected and then go through this. donald trump, mitch mcconnell refused to do that. they rushed through amy coney barrett so as a result of these things, we've got instead of a liberal majority, we have a strong conservative majority and three justices who is pretty predictable how he'll vote on

these issues. >> you think about the right has been much more focused on this. you know, they've looked long term and said, you know, we can't win these in elections the majority of people want child labor laws and want people to be able to vote. the way we can get at this is the same way i think a lot of them feel they were done wrong in cases like not allowing segregated schools to have a tax break. they're like the court did that to us, we get to do whatever we want and we can do it through these justices as a way to sort of do it with their hands -- with their sort of fingerprints off of it. what happened in these courts now, the supreme court rules 70% of the time for like the chamber of commerce. u.s. chamber of commerce always wins. the right seems to consistently win. is this the way that they're sort of rolling back all the progress that electorally has been created? >> i think it's very clear that this is a court that has deep, deep skepticism for regulation. we see this in cases like the one they took up today on the

clean water act, which will likely narrow the scope of that administrative law regulation but we're seeing it on a range of different issues including social justice and one of things this grant makes very clear is that this conservative block which has been at war with itself at some point over the last couple of years is really assented and focused now. they have five conservative stall warts. they don't need people like john roberts with his institutional, need for incremental, they don't need him at all and more and more of the question is whether this chief justice is a chief justice name only because he may have lost control of his colleagues and they are doing what they're going to do. they took up the north carolina case. there hasn't even been an appeal let court decision in that case. they are by passing the court and taking this up together and there may be practical reasons for that but it shows there is likely a chief justice who would like to stave this off given the hot button issues the court is

facing but he wants to drive a dotson. the rest of this conservative majority wants to be in a tesla. >> i feel like just the ideas of inclusion and diversity will die in this court. >> that would be awful if we recognized colleges and universities as places of teaching and learning and education. we have decades of social science research, which is who the brief was written for was 678 social scientists with expertise on college admissions, higher education and asian-americans and race and we know that without race consciousness and these practices, you have basically how emissions is run and that is not a good picture. you've got legacies, you've got, you know, as much as colleges and universities are blind, that is not actually true. and so you've got a really big concern that asian-americans

stand to lose out as well with black, latino, native americans and low income white students. >> you know, michael, the way you pull off the perfect crime is you erase the teaching of history. what you specialize in, you say we'll do these things and it's the perfect crime because you can't teach about it. >> that's exactly right. so then we go to george orwell and the other thing, back to the beginning, joy, we have a supreme court unlike for most of american history, there used to be a lot more turnover. justices did not serve these long periods of time and that was because people didn't live too long and they also were appointed at older ages than now. there was a greater connection between public opinion and what justices did. people said there has to be some connection between the rulings of the court and where the country stands. does anyone believe that the kind of rulings that we're talking about tonight with horror are the majority of the

american people? i don't think they are at all. the other thing is often times throughout supreme court history, you'd have surprises. you'd have a david suitor more liberal than expected or biron white more conservative than expected. these people are so vetted that we know exactly what we're getting that's not what the founders wanted. >> the heritage foundation writes it and they read it. they know what they're going to do and do exactly as expected. it's a strange world we're in. melissa murray, thank you-all very much. up next on "the reidout" what bill barr may have said as newt gingrich said a republican house majority could throw those committee members in prison. the escalating tension on the russia ukraine border and now 8500 u.s. troops are on high alert for possible deployment to eastern europe. and j.f.k. wrote profiles encouraged but another member of the family could be the author of profiles and cluelessness and

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bennie thompson confirmed they spoke with donald trump's former attorney general bill barr. a committee spokesperson describes it as informal conversations. remember, barr resigned at the end of december 2020 but not before contradicting trump's big lie. declaring that the department of justice had uncovered no evidence of wide spread voter fraud in the election. there is increased interest in what barr knows especially following last week's report of trump's draft executive order that would have seized voting machines following the election. the committee has said that topic has not been addressed with barr as of yet. this comes as we're starting to see retaliation against the committee in virginia the new republican attorney general fired the top lawyer for the university of virginia who was

on leave working as a staff investigator for the january 6th committee. the attorney general's office said the decision had nothing to do with his work on the committee but wouldn't additional details but the former speaker and current kevin mccarthy advisor newt gingrich over the weekend which amounts to a banana republic style threat to prosecute members of the january 6th committee. >> i think when you have a republican congress, this is all going to come crashing down and the wolves are going to find out they're now sheep and they're the ones who are in fact going to i think face a real risk of jail for the kind of laws they are breaking. >> joining me now is congressman ted lieu of california a 2021 impeachment manager and i want to get your reaction to this idea from newt gingrich straight out of the banana republic world that they're going to turn

around if republicans get back the house and advising kevin mccarthy that wants to be speaker and prosecute and try to jail members of the january 6th committee and i presume after they're done with them they will come after those who want to impeach donald trump. >> newt gingrich's remarks are outrageous. the supreme court is validating the january 6th bipartisan committee as a legitimate committee. you don't throw members of congress in jail for serving on a committee and you really see how fearful republicans are now of the january 6th committee trying to do everything they can to intimidate the committee members and try to shut it down. they will not succeed. >> what do you make of the purges that you're now seeing in places like virginia where a lot of media folks try to give glenn youngkin credit and say he wasn't trump? attorney general fired somebody who is involved in the january 6 th committee, not saying why they fired him and not owning the fact they were doing it because they were involved but

it sure does look weird. >> glenn youngkin is acting trump-like with a number of executive orders and the attorney general of virginia didn't give a reason for firing what has been a perfectly fine lawyer. it looks like he did it because he was upset that the lawyer was on the january 6th committee, that is again, a showing of how fearful the republican base is of the january 6th committee and the committee is asking all the right questions and doing a fantastic job and we look forward to their work product. >> like i say, one person not afraid is liz cheney. not scared of anything. she responded to gingrich saying a former speaker of the house threatening jail time for members of congress investigating the violent january 6th attack on the capitol and constitution. this is what it looks like when the rule of law unravels. i have to ask you, should republicans return to the majority in the house? do you expect kevin mccarthy's reign, assuming donald trump doesn't take it from him and

become speaker himself, to simply be an ongoing witch hunt against democrats like yourself? >> let me first say that last week the economists poll had democrats ahead in the generic congressional ballot. we have every reason and motivation and indication we'd hold the house. to answer your hyper threaten kill. i think president biden asked a very good question, which is what are republicans for and right now we don't know what they're for other than for vengeance. you see kevin mccarthy saying he wants to throw off committee without giving a reason to what other democrats may have done wrong. you look purely at a vengeance motivated kind of campaign. they're in this for power. they don't have any policies for american people. >> in it for owning the libs. "rolling stone" has a few good pieces out. one of them, start the steal. emails reveal a plot to hand the

state of arizona to trump. here is sort of by line from it or the bottom line here. exclusive emails obtained by rolling stone expose an attempt to recertify the state as a victory for trump and reveal top trump world figures were come police sit. we've had a couple of members of trump's legal team come on ari melber's show and admit their plan was indeed to basically decertify certain states to try to send them back so they can put fake electors in instead of the real electors. what do you make of the openness with which these guys are admitting that that was the plan and do you think that there were crimes committed in doing that? >> let me first say that when we made the presentation at the second impeachment trial, it was clear to us that this wasn't just about the january 6th attack on the capitol. you had a lot of follow up actions and all of which were designed to keep the former president in power illegitimately.

the january 6th committee has uncovered how far this went. the fact that the coup failed doesn't mean that criminal laws weren't broken and the fact that they did this in the open doesn't mean the criminal laws weren't broken so we look forward again to the public hearings that the january 6th committee will be putting out and the final work product and i think there is going to be a lot for the department of justice to look into. >> will we wind up seeing the injustice for any crimes committed having to come from the states? we have a grand jury that's been seated in the state of georgia to look into the attempts to steal that state for donald trump. is that what we're going to wind up looking to see testimony compelled, people like raffensperger having to testify because of the subpoena by a grand jury. do we have to look there because it doesn't seem like the doj is doing any active investigations in that realm, even the january 6th committee haven't subpoenaed william barr but talked to him informally. >> with the department of justice, they often don't tell you what they're doing until you

see it publicly. they could be doing all sorts of things. we really don't know. i'm pleased that state and local prosecutors are doing their job and if you just look at their law, you've got election interference laws and if the former president is going to try to get that person fined over 11,000 votes, that is election interference and bill barr i'll pleased that the january 6th committee had discussions with him and got some information and i want to remind people during impeachment trial, we presented evidence that bill barr told donald trump to his face that the election conspiracy theories were quote bull. so bill barr is not going to provide any good information in support of trump. he might provide information that would be helpful to the january 6th committee. >> somebody that's a complete flunk for trump and even he said no, that's not real.

ted lu, thank you very much. coming up, president biden is cranking up the pressure as the u.s. and our nato allies try to keep russia from invading ukraine. the question remains how far are we willing to go to defend ukraine against putin's aggression? we'll be right back. e against p aggression we'll be right back.

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invading ukraine from a russian perspective is going to be a painful, violent and bloody business. >> in the event there is a renewed forces going into ukraine, there is going to be a swift, severe and united response. >> we'll always do what is necessary to protect and defend all our allies. >> international conflict is inching dangerously close to reality as russia continues to try to relive the soviet glory

days hoping to swallow an independent country whole via violent force. earier today john kirby announced that president biden has approved a request from lloyd austin to place 8500 u.s. base troops on high alert for potential deployment to eastern europe. >> i don't think anybody wants to see another war on the european continent and no reason that has to occur. this could be solved easily by the russians deescalating and moving forces away. which they haven't done. and so nato, as a defensive alliance and it is a defensive alliance has a responsibility to its members to make sure that they're able to defend themselves if needed. >> if deploy the troops would be folded into an existing nato led response force, which would decide where they go and what they do, no troops are intended

for deployment to ukraine itself. also today president biden held a nearly two-hour call with european counterparts to coordinate future responses in a sign of how serious things are getting, nato leaders laid out a robust deterrence plan announcing france, denmark and spain will send troops, ships, war planes and fighter jets to romania, lithuania and bulgaria. the british foreign secretary announced that russia is plotting to over throw the ukrainian government with the goal of installing a puppet regime. on sunday the state department urged the departure of non-essential staff and family members from the u.s. embassy in kiev. roughly 100,000 russian soldiers are lying in wait in ukraine. more now from matt bradley who is in kiev. >> reporter: it really does feel like everything is headed in one direction towards war. but, you know, walking around

the ukrainian capital doesn't feel that way at all. it doesn't feel like a population girding for war with a military. the opposite. everybody seems chill. stores are open. i don't see anyone packing cars rushing out west fleeing. instead, the ukrainian government's official line is stay calm, stay resolute but stay calm. at the end of the day, there is an eight-yearlong war in the east of the country against russian back separatests. this isn't necessarily something that they see as something entirely different even though there is a lot of military hardware on their borders. also, you know, a lot of ukrainians don't feel like they've been involved up until now. they don't feel like they've had a role in the diplomacy and negotiations. they've been left out. and that just figures into a frustration that's been long

standing in this country. they're tired of being seen by moscow to beat the west. they're tired of being fought over. they would rather be fought for. joy? >> nbc's matt bradley, thank you very much. with me is former u.s. am -- ambassador to russia. i want to pick up on the point he was reporting. the idea of ukraine being a constant pawn and more or less in a state of war since 2014, what i sensed from his reporting is a sense of exhaustion in that country being used but not a lot of panic. what do you make of that? >> well, they are frustrated that they're not in the negotiations and we've had two rounds of bilateral negotiations. biden flew to kiev and met with

him. both are threatened, right? the negotiators don't have strong cards. vladimir putin has put over 130,000 soldiers on three different sides of the borders so he has a lot of leverage. the ukrainians and americans right now don't. >> and, you know, there is even reporting from the british government the kremlin was developing plans to install a puppet regime, prorussian regime and here is a name we heard before a candidate linked to paul manafort that brings us back to where we were during impeachment. interesting development. your thoughts on that? >> well, i read that intelligence reporting obviously not the classified but the press reports of it. i have no reason to doubt it's authenticity. i have a hard time connecting the dots, though, joy. how do they do that? they don't have the power to install somebody in kiev. that would never happen. what makes me wonder if this is part of the post invasion

planning. i can't imagine if god forbid there was a massive military intervention invasion that this would be what they would do afterwards. i can't see it before military intervention. >> and let's talk about what it is that putin wants. he does seem to have a complex that the soviet union i guess in his mind is not viewed like people in the united states or they did before trump came along. fiona hill, the former national security counsel wrote a lengthy piece that was good in the "new york times." mr. putin wants to give the united states a taste of the same bitter medicine russia had to swallow in the 1990s and putin believes the united states is in the same predicament as russia after the soviet collapse. weakened at home and in retreat abroad. he thinks nato is nothing more than an extension of the united states and basically, he wants us out of europe period. could this be postering with 130,000 troops as a way to force the u.s. into making a decision to just pull troops out of europe, which it doesn't seem

realistic to me but do you think that's what he wants? >> it's definitely what he wants but that's a maximum position. there is no way that will happen. there is no way that the nato alliance should or could agree to his terms and i don't think the president should or could. president biden pull out of let's stop nato, the open door policy from 1949, there is no way that's going to happen. so it's one thing to put out maximum positions, it's another to negotiate and i negotiated with the russians and mr. putin when i worked for the obama administration. they put out maximalist positions but at the end they finally dropped them. what we don't know today is he bluffing with the maximalist position because that's not a possibility for president biden or using it as a -- and then

he's going to get down to serious business about negotiations or is this all just an ultimatum ultimately a pretext for invasion? not sure even sure vladimir putin has the answer to that. >> is russia even susceptible to economic pressure? putin himself is a multi billionaire and rich beyond his wildest imagination but the country ain't rich. they are a broken down sort of old ex oil empire, ololigarch, you will. is there something the u.s. and nato could do? >> i want to be clear. i supported sanctions when russia annexed crimea and intervened in eastern europe and eastern ukraine. i would have liked to see them ratchet up year by year. if you're still parked the next

day, you should get another ticket. not one ticket to be there. and i applaud with the biden administration has done to put together i think a pretty fantastic collision on sanctions. that all said, this is bigger than sanctions. putin is not motivated by cost benefit analysis for how his russian banks will be affected. he sees the mission in a much bigger way and said it very explicitly. he thinks his mission is to reunite the slavik nation. he thinks ukraine and russia are part of the slavic nation and when you think of those terms, makes cost benefit analysis how the stock market will react, i don't think plays into his analysis. >> and reunite them whether they want to be or not because these countries seem to be want to be part of europe and he's like no, you can't. fascinating character not in a good way. always great to talk with you, sir. thank you very much. stick around for tonight's absolute worst because if a certain unhinged segment of the population is making your blood

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do you ever sit back and wonder how a anti-vax culture came to take over the country? problematic people with large platforms, that's how. like robert kennedy junior, democratic political prominent anti-vaxxer whose group the children's health defense is a major source of vaccine misinformation. on sunday he spoke at an anti-vax rally on the national mall doing all the things that covid deniers love to do. spouting off conspiracy theories with massive surveillance and 5g but what has become a disturbing feature in the anti-vax game plan, he compared vaccine policies to the holocaust. >> even in hitler germany, you can cross the alps into

switzerland and hide in an attic like ann frank did. >> ann frank, of course is the jewish teenager that died in a nazi concentration camp and she hid in a house for two years. her enduring legacy and what she symbolized inspires millions today to say kennedy's comments are deeply offensive, historically inaccurate and objectively outrageous. it also echoes the republican gaslighting technique that equates anything they don't like to a state that has consequences for people who don't have kennedy's star power and platforms and buckets of money, people like educators and children navigating a landscape regarding their safety. today in virginia the trump new governor glenn youngkin kicked off his anti mask optional mandate, a mandate that seven school boards are suing to stop. for parents and teachers, the toll of school closures is

tremendous. many have hit pandemic rock bottom and in virginia, their up against a governor anti mask. let's face it, just to rally the base. their also up against the megaphone of robert kennedy junior spreading not just covid but lies and hate. so to those who say the covid response is worse than living under the nazi regime while creating terrifying conditions trying to keep their kids safe and get through the day, you are the absolute worst and up next, some weaponize holocaust to attack covid policies and others are simply over it. why once in a century pandemic does not care whether you're over it or not. stay with us. you're over it or not stay with us

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i'm done. we were told, you get the vaccine, you get the vaccine

and you get back to normal. and we haven't got back to normal, and it's ridiculous at this point. this is going to be remembered by the younger generation as a catastrophic world crime. >> my god, she so board. you know what isn't done with covid, first off covid itself. the u.s. is now averaging more than 2000 covid deaths a day. there is also those who have no choice but you have to deal with covid, educators, parents, unvaccinated children, those with disabilities or medical -- the elderly, the uninsured. and those who have been on the frontlines of this unprecedented global global prices for two whole years. health care workers, some of whom spoke to the new york times about leaving the profession, not just because of covid, but because of chronic understaffing by profit driven hospitals. >> i hope to be able to leave the bedside within this year. >> i don't know how long i can do this. physically, mentally,

emotionally. >> i will never work in a hospital setting again. i will never subject myself to that sort of frustration. >> joining me now is once a hot ali, columnist for the daily beast and author of go back where you came from, which comes out tomorrow. happy pub day. and it's so great to have you on, i've been covering your presence on this network for quite a long time. so i'm really excited to see you on, congrats on the book. let's talk about this a little bit. you know barry weiss is like so bored with covid, she's like oh my god, can i just go to the spa? and live my life with my friends. and you like sex in the city fun things. but what she was saying it, i was thinking to myself, health care workers don't have their lives back. you know, would make you sort of this attitude towards covid? >> the bar is so low for some people who complained about cancel culture from some of the most prestigious platforms. the smog cynics who use their contrarian-ism as a shield for their selfishness, they are

selfish. i'm sorry or not over covid. covid ain't over you. 950,000 americans are dead, and i'm over covid. i've got two kids, virtual skilling in virginia, because my daughters immunosuppressed. we have been in lockdown for three years, eight months before covid, because my daughter at stage four cancer. they wear masks, joy, ages five, seven, into they, sanitize a social distance. because they realize they're human beings who have to be empathetic and care about a community because it takes all of us to flatten this curve. so i don't care that you are annoyed about your dinner dates hour about your branches, or you go on bill maher and you just over covid. the rest of us human beings who care about one another, were over covid but we're doing the right thing. the last thing i'll say, people were really upset watching this right now, we are not asking us to stormed the beaches of normandy, you don't have to cut off your or more like the people and snow peers are defeated her friends. just wear a mask once in a while, get a vaccine, social distance, and we can all be friends together. >> you know, i started pointing the term panty or ten democrat

arians, because it's a combination of i am still stressed out of the number of people who died on 9/11, that gave me nightmares. that was 2000 people. i think about the titanic, all watch those films, and i cannot sleep just thinking about that many people dying at once. i am sort of amazed by the number of people who just don't give a damn, 860,000 people died, proof, and it doesn't bother them at all. what they prioritize is they need to have their convenience. and so your immunocompromised kids are just an annoyance to them. they don't want to have to do anything for them. what is that about? is that is social disease in this society, what is it? >> i mean, it's a reflects americas cruelty. we're generous country but at the same time we also have cruelty, white supremacy, massage any. america says go ahead and die but just don't die on my lawn. and we gotta respect the greatest generation, but -- grandma and grandpa. by the way, we love the case, were pro-life, but i'm perfectly fine with my kid getting covid rather than them

getting a book written by a black person talking about racism, because it makes me feel inconvenient. and so we're dealing with cells just people, with their inconvenience and materialism, who just can't sacrifice the bare minimum. like again, you don't have to storm the beaches of normandy, wear a mask once in a while. but it shows the selfishness that is at the root of this country. and some of those horses get elected, and some of those horses have a major political party where it's civility for us, cruelty for you, law in order when we want power, but for the rest of you we don't care. as long as you have to accommodate us, that's what it has. you always have to accommodate us, or limbs, in our power. >> and you are in virginia, glenn youngkin has formed a political movement around the idea of essentially making it less safe for your kids and other kids to go to school. i mean, you're gonna wind up having school closures because there's gonna be covid outbreaks. it has there been a buyer's remorse that you've detected at all in virginia for electing this clown? >> yes, because when it came waited to the dog whistle racism, when it came to parents choice, when it came to crtc

because not being taught -- other white and suburban parents were saying, you know what, diversity makes me uncomfortable, f them kids. let's get youngkin in. but now, he doesn't anti vax and anti vaccine mandates and their kids are going to be exposed to covid. and a lot of these republican parents, they're like wait, wait, not my kids. yep, your kids to. we're in this together. there is a cost of white supremacy. >> what do you make of the sort of aaron rodgers of the world? i just heard today that aaron rodgers was saying he would not play the super bowl. i see what you did there. he had to deal with the covid, you would've gone right ahead. but i mean people like the robert f. kennedy junior's, the people with big platforms that are using them to be anti mask and anti-vaccine. and this holocaust analogy is bananas. >> it's antisemitic, anyone who makes a holocaust analogy, go to poland, go to mid visit auschwitz like i did. jews were systematically murdered. --

no one's murdering you, no one's at torturing you, no one's asking you to be in a court situation camp, we're just asking you to wear a mask and get vaccinated. if you choose not to, than us and the majority, will move forward. the caravan will move forward. and i want to say this real quick, america should think the 49ers, first and foremost, we beat the cowboys. when cowboy fans cried and angel gains's wings. and then a later week later we beat at aaron rodgers. but -- not against the 49ers who our for an all against him in the season. >> -- but i'm with you on that, as growing up rock owens fans, if you beat the cowboys i just love you. real quick, to tell us all about your book. >> go back where to get to where you came from, coming out tomorrow, it's about loving a country that doesn't always love you back. it's an elegy for the rest of us who are still not seen as a cool protect this of america, but stretching and expanding this country to expand the rest of us. as there are forces right now, joy, trying to respect us and only make one hero, the hero with the white complexion -- the right complexion. but the rest of us, we're not

trying to replace you, we just want to piece of the delicious american pie. >> yeah, we can't see your short because there's a spanner underneath. so can you stand up a little bit so we can see assured. i love that. >> that i, why don't you give me something? >> -- every immigrant parents sounds exactly like that. i want one of those shirts, and i want to get a copy of your boat. thank you very much, appreciate you, congrats. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all end. >> even in hitler germany you would cost of switzerland you can hide in the attic like and frank. >> american distill be on the steps of the lincoln memorial. >> none like the nurnberger trials that only tried those doctors that destroyed the human beings. we're gonna come after the press that lied to the world. >> tonight, the anti vax movement in america and its political and cultural societal impact. then the special grand jury investigation as a key