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the neglected infrastructure, and this bridge had a lot of failures previously recorded. katy tur will have much more on that in just a moment. we will be back monday with "meet the press daily," and on sunday, it's "meet the press." good to be with you. i am katy tur. there's a lot happening right now as chuck just mentioned, president biden is in pittsburgh where he was scheduled to speak about infrastructure which turned unintentionally timely today after a bridge within that city collapsed this morning. the president just toured the damage. more on that and the president's remarks in just a few minutes. we'll go to him live. also happening, a rare joint news conference just ended with milly and austin. they addressed the tensions
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overseas as russia now has 130,000 troops surrounding ukraine on three sides. >> mr. putin can do the right thing as well. there's no reason that this situation has to desolve into conflict. he could choose dialogue and democracy, whatever he decides, the united states will stand with our allies and partners. >> again, it is a rare thing to see these two military leaders side by side, and that's exactly what the presidents of ukraine does not want the united states to do, he said there are no tanks in the streets but media give the impression that if one is not here, we have a war, we have armies in the streets and
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that's not the case and we don't need the panic, and we are no titanic in regard to the u.s. taking its diplomats out of ukraine. our guests join us, peter baker spent four years as the moscow bureau chief for the "washington post," and along with mr. bremer. courtney, that news conference was very interesting. i just heard you talking about the tone of it, the tone of it seemed to imply that things are getting pretty bad over there. >> yeah, i was really struck by general milley's tone. it was serious, and he was talking about the potential of the full scale invasion, and he was talking about the potential for a lot of casualties and he talked about how the situation feels different. our viewers were able to watch it and could hear what they were saying, but being in the room
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those are two things that stood out to me, i was struck by the feeling, by the gravity of the situation being conveyed by both men, which you said, katy, is counter from what we are hearing on the ground in ukraine. we also heard about the capabilities russia is building up. we heard another thing about logistic support, and general milley laid out why it is that the vast array of forces that russia has, more than 100,000 in number now and the capabilities they have there, why that is so concerning that they actually have the capability for a large-scale invasion. it's not clear whether putin has made that decision, but the reality is he keeps sending in more troops and that's why we have seen the tone of this really shift in the last week or ten days among administration officials here in the u.s. >> what about troops go into ukraine? the president said over and over that's not going to happen.
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is there any scenario where we would see american forces on the ground? >> that's another place that was really a window of daylight there. i think it's very clear. for weeks we have been hearing that the u.s. has no interest in sending combat forces in to go to war with russia in ukraine, and you know, what we are not hearing is that there is any indications that putin has any interest in invading the nato partners, and he's fixed on ukraine right now. secretary austin left open a been dough for the deployment of u.s. forces into ukraine for a noncombatant evacuation. i know it's an analogy the biden administration may want to hear but it's what we saw in afghanistan, right? the u.s. told americans to get out of afghanistan, and thousands did not listen, and the u.s. military went in and
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they took over the airport and helped get americans and afghans out of the country before the fullest withdrawal. we could see the u.s. military move into ukraine in advance of an invasion to help with that same scenario. >> interesting. matt bradley, we have been talking to you all week and the message on the ground is different than the message from the white house and now from the two military leaders, that things are getting bad out there. has anything changed within the capitol in the past couple of days? >> yeah, absolutely not, katy. we are still walking around the capitol and everything still seems fine. just doesn't feel that palpable sense of a country gerting itself for war. i was at that press conference, and katy i know it will shock you to hear a politician blaming
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the media for something. his issue with the media and this messaging, and he mentioned it several times, it goes back to the economy. for him it's clear that capital is cowardly, and that's an old saying. we have already seen a lot of money pulling out of ukraine and the ukrainians feel they are paying the price for a war that has not been waged, and they are paying the price for a war that doesn't necessarily involve them. the ukrainians have been left out of a lot of important negotiations and diplomacy still going on on multiple tracks, and russia is asking for things, making demands that ukraine won't necessarily -- or would never be able to give them because it's up to nato and nato countries. so president zelensky was not just telling russia to back off but telling the west to back
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off. he had words for the western press, saying i know my country better and i know this situation better than foreign diplomats and foreign agencies and politicians, and he was saying over and over and over again in response to what were variations of the same question from the western media, which is how can you be so relaxed with such a large army surrounding your country? he said, you know, we have been at war for the past eight years and this is not new. >> he doesn't want a self fulfilling prophecy either. we are looking at the disconnect between what the u.s. is saying and the west is saying and mostly the u.s., because there's wiggle room with what france is saying, and what the president of ukraine is currently saying and how ukrainians are acting at the capitol, so how do you account for that? >> well, zelensky is the one that can offer a reduction in nato integration. the united states isn't going to take that you have the table.
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if there's a deal with russia on ukraine saying we will not look for a faction plan, we are going to reduce as long as the russians pull their troops back, we don't have to have as many nato deployments of weapons and support, training and all the rest. he doesn't want to be jammed that way, and so i mean, let's face it, if war is imminent he's facing pressure from the western capitals to come to an agreement that would bring the tensions down. from zelensky's perspective, we have been dealing with war threats for eight years and why is this different? i would say there's a big difference between the russians with an enormous build up and them using that build up to invade, and i am surprised the intelligence community in the united states presented it as if those two are the same thing. what we are seeing from the russians might very well be a
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president indication to invasion. >> you spent a lot of time, peter, in moscow. what can we glean from what is coming out of the capitol there? we have not heard from putin on this since december, and we saw him yesterday at a world war ii memorial site paying his respect, but we have not heard anything from him on this issue. >> yeah, that's the irony, right. the one actor we all want to know what he's thinking, and the one we want to hear from, he's silent and that's vladimir putin. it's not just the west and the ukrainians and the europeans that want to hear from him, but it's the russians as well who are, i am certain, are curious as where this is leading. if you hear from the kremlin, you will hear how the west is
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threatening ukraine and russia is the tool to circle and weaken russia, a lot 6 provocative statements, and they took president biden's putting 8,000 troops on alert as a provocation, opposed to the 120 troops he has surrounding ukraine, and what does putin want to gather? they are not going to simply agree -- the west is not going to agree to limit nato's membership, even though they don't plan to admit ukraine anytime soon, they believe it would be a bad move on principle, they believe, and they have offered russia a couple thoughts on military exercises, to restrict those, and that doesn't seem to be getting anywhere with moscow? what is the end game? does he want to go to war? there's a disconnect between
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washington and kyiv on this, and they are more alarmists and they believe there's something going on here, and perhaps they have intelligence we don't know about, and they are going beyond saying there's a lot of troops there and they believe there's a genuine intent on the part of russia to intervene in a big way, and they believe russia is more intent rather than less on a full scale intervention rather than a minor incursion to use the phrase president biden used last week. >> i know you wanted to ask a question and were not called on for this news conference, and hearing peter baker talk off camera and not publicly suggested -- well, you tell me what you think? >> yeah, i agree with what peter
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just said, and the president was talking about the small incursion or a minor incursion, this is not what i find they are thinking, and i think that's an interesting point and it was something i hoped to ask about today. we keep hearing the united states will uphold it's article 5 to nato, so if one nato ally is attacked everybody is attacked and you have the right, and not necessarily the necessity but the right to respond. but what we are hearing here is that ukraine is the one that is under threat, ukraine -- coercion against ukraine and all these forces that are potentially going to invade ukraine, and not a nato ally, and why spend 8,000 troops and the additional allied troops, which would be tens of thousands more. why is it necessary to send them
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forward if none of these nato allies are in threat, which at this point it doesn't seem they are. the reality is to show it's a united front and reassurance, but that's a question we have not had answered here. if they are not under threat, why send forces forward? is there a potential sending these forces in could have the opposite affect and prove to putin he may have a reason to invade ukraine? >> ian, do you have thoughts on that? >> i think there's a real concern that the russians are going to full on invade in the near term, and the americans and europeans have a very strong alignment on that issue. if i were thinking about how putin has been advised by his kremlin advisers, they are not just giving him the option of taking out the ukrainian government and killing tens of thousands of ukrainians. i don't think you are going to make it easy for the americans
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and europeans to respond at all. the russians engaged in cyberattacks against ukraine, and the west has done little, virtually nothing in response to that. they have said their citizens in the occupied territory, acts of genocide are being committed against them by the ukrainian government, and what if russia says we are bringing in tanks and they are already occupied. the u.s. considers that an invasion and we will respond strongly, economically and militarily with the allies, and i don't think the allies are with us on that. as putin is thinking about this over the coming weeks, as he returns from beijing and the olympics, and i don't think he thinks i invade or back down? he will watch very carefully what the united states and the american allies do and will biden be able to hold together the coalition as effectively as
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he has in the few first weeks of the crisis. >> are they on the same page is the question? thank you all for your reporting. up next, the president's visit to pittsburgh to talk about infrastructure takes on new importance after a bridge in that city collapses this morning just a few hours before he got there. the supreme court and the senate, joe manchin said he would support a supreme court nominee that is more liberal than him. latera fallen officer is laid to rest. we will go live to new york city where officer jason rivera's funeral was held earlier today. funeral was held earlier today and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change--
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election year. he will be talking about the economy and the billions of dollars that will be spent fixing america's roads and bridges. on the very day that he is in pittsburgh to do that, well, this happened. the forbes avenue bridge that runs to pittsburgh collapsed. a man that lives nearby said he heard a boom and felt his house rattle around 7:00 this morning. later he realized what he heard and what he felt was the deck of that bridge crashing down. drivers were on the bridge as it happened. you can see a bus in the middle of that damage. rescuers formed a human chain to pull people from that bus. incredibly nobody was seriously hurt. at roughly 50 years old that bridge is not much older than most bridges in america. the investigation into what caused the collapse is under way right now. officials believe it was
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probably because of the weight of snow and ice. joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent, mike momoli. >> reporter: obviously president biden, he has had to deal with several crisis, first the pandemic, and then there are smaller flare ups wherever time the white house feels like they beat one back, another one arises. the president had a hard time getting his message across, and today a bridge collapses when he comes to talk about infrastructure. white house officials after expressing relief there were no losses of life, in fact, none, sent the president to the bridge collapse site and he called it a miracle the fact that there was no loss of life, and now today
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he will be able to underscore what he has accomplished in office so far, and more than $300 million this year going out to repair bridges, more than a billion over the next five years. the president will also talk about something else, though. this mill where he will be speaking today was once a place where they produced more than a million pounds of metal each year, and the president will make a plug for one bill that already was passed and another that he is working on now that works on increasing america's competitiveness, and all what the president wants to do more of, more talk about what they have done and intent to do. >> timing, a bridge collapse today and what better time to go down and say we need to spend money on this stuff, and i just
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passed a bill that will spend money on stuff like this. that being said, there are a number of high profile democrats in pennsylvania who are running for office and for governor and senate who are not appearing along joe biden today, they have scheduling conflicts. why? >> ultimately you saw john fedderman, the current lieutenant governor there, and he did go when biden visited the bridge collapse site, and he did previously have scheduling conflicts. another candidate also said there was scheduling conflicts. you saw that conor lamb, the congressman in the primary for senate was with president biden. this all comes back, yeah, you see conor lamb in the background, and this come backs to the story our colleague wrote earlier and there was one line that stuck out to it, there's an old adage, i will campaign for
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or against you, whatever helps most. over the next course of a year, there will be that adage played out, and there are candidates who stick closely to the president and other candidates will final benefit in distancing themselves, and when i talk to those involved in the demographic campaign committee's work, for example, the job of maintaining the house. it's a tough job. they can only afford to lose four seats, and you look at the front line, they are looking at the landscape and to them the way they describe it is they don't think it hinges on one issue, they think the issues will be won district by district, and the president looms over all this and that's why the way he spends his time as he gets out on the road will be critically important as well as what they manage to do on his agenda.
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>> yeah, we just got news from the january 6th committee about new subpoenas. what exactly did they ask for? >> yeah, katy, 14 subpoenas for false electors throughout seven states. i want to call up what chairman betty thompson said in releasing this. he said they are seeking information about the attempt of the different states to overturn the election. we know this was appearing in states like arizona, georgia, michigan, new mexico, nevada, pennsylvania and wisconsin. but in his statement he goes on to say of the 14 electors they subpoenaed that they believe they have information about how the electors met and who was behind the scheme. we encourage them to cooperate with the committee and they set deadlines for the depositions and documents request, and it brings into focus the january 6th committee is following here,
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as they get records from the national archives we need several states submitted false slates of electors, and it does seem like it was part of a larger scheme concocted by people like rudy giuliani trying to lay the ground work where the fake sets of electors were submitted and the thinking was, according to some in the president's orbit at that time, they could then have president biden mike pence plant the fake electors -- effectively overturn the will of the people. this is one of the key points the committee is trying to drill down on here as they try to get more information. we know they are going into a more public phase, but this is one of the key things here, how these fake slates of electors came to be and trying to speak to the people at the heart of it so we can get a better sense of
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into my records and do research. it killed 22 people and costs over $1 billion. we are trying to get people to stay off the roads. if you lose power, be prepared for that because it can get cold in your house quickly. let's get into the storm now beginning to form off the north carolina coast. it will take a v line to where it's at now just off the coast of nantucket, and the snow shield shown in blue will get intense at one point. what makes up a blizzard, by the way? it is difficult to reach blizzard criteria. you have to have a storm with high winds, and you have to have blowing snow or falling snow that gives you visibility of less than a quarter of a mile. that's one loop around the track, that's not very far. you have to have both of these at the same time for three
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straight hours. we will see if we meet that criteria, but there's a chance for that in areas like long island and cape cod, but we have to watch coastal new jersey for that threat. 73 million people at risk of the storm, and the extreme snowfall rates of up to two to four inches per hour. 12 inches in boston easily, and 20 inches in new york city, still a chance of a foot of snow and the coastal portions of new jersey, 12 to 18. these are all of the areas we want to stay off the roads. not only this, you know, but behind this, it's going to be bitterly cold. today it's cold in the northeast, but then this storm takes that cold air and sends it all the way down into florida where we have 11 million people under windchill advisories. look at orlando. 29 degrees on sunday. miami, 37. west palm beach at 34. this is the coldest florida has
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been in ten years. this storm is going to leave its mark. hopefully won't be too deadly and won't knock out power to too many, but it's a possibility. >> watch out for frozen iguanas. that's what i know about florida. were there any exclamations in that report as the forecast is being laid out? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, i am definitely freezing out here. i have been all morning long with the crew. but this is really the calm before the storm, right? new englanders, they are used to winter storms but when you are talking blizzard, two feet of snow and 50-mile-per-hour wind gusts and ocean surge that could reach three feet, crews are certainly getting ready and we saw that this morning. yesterday they were out pretreating the roadways. there's more than 1,000 tons of
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salt and sand ready to go in this community, and they will lay it out all day tomorrow. when it comes to residents here, there's a voluntary evacuation order so they are encouraging people to relocate ahead of the storm, so before the high tide hits, and i had a chance to talk to some folks here in this community that plan on hunkering down. they stocked up on the essentials, the food, they said the grocery stores, the shelves are bare but they have a generator. the big concern is the widespread power outages. they hope the power stays on. a lot of people are prepared to take the storm in stride but reiterating the message from bill karins, a lot of folks are saying do not go out on the roadways, today is the day to prepare and get ready.
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>> i have a sheet pan and multiple dips, and i will get disney plus so i can put my kids in front of a television if need be, and will there be a point tomorrow where i can get outside and perhaps so sledding? >> it's going to be cold and windy, but in areas where they don't have the blizzard warning, as we get from mid to late afternoon, if you can walk somewhere safely the snow should be ending and you could have two or three hours of daylight before the sun sets to get out. >> let's hope so. bill karins, thank you so much. kathy park, stay warm and get inside. thank your crew for being out there as well. >> good luck. there was a funeral held today for the nypd officer, jason rivera. clouds of new yorkers and fellow officers gathered at st. patrick's cathedral to honor the 22-year-old rookie.
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joining me from new york city is our correspondent, vaughn hilliard. we are seeing crime on the rise and a lot of illegal guns out there, and people are starting to think, you know, it feels like nobody is safe and nothing is safe. >> reporter: right, particularly gun incidents that we are talking about, katy. just look at new york city stats here. in 2021, there were more than 1,400 gun-related incidents, and compare that to two years earlier, 2019, more than 700. that number doubled from 2019 to 1921. there's a question of what role should police departments play in serving their communities, and here there were five police officers here in the city that were shot since the beginning of 2022. we are talking about a
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22-year-old rivera, and a 27-year-old, mora, responding to a call relating to a domestic violence incident. they arrived to the house and were shot dead by a 47-year-old man, and this was a tough circumstance here where you heard this morning from the widow of jason, and she actually received a standing ovation from a great number inside st. patrick's cathedral when particularly she brought up policies of the new district attorney here, and you and i were talking, katy, just before your show about this moment in which she said she spoke for all of those nypd officers pushing back on the progressive policies he ran on and won on earlier this year, and he was pushing for policies calling on his prosecutors not to seek bail for otherwise perceived as minor crimes, but it also was calling for his prosecutors here in manhattan to only seek prison time for individuals who commit
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serious offenses, in the situations of murders and one of those serious offenses not named in the proposed outlying policy was mere possession of firearms, and that's where you saw the stats over the course of the last two years teamed up here with the unfortunate passing of these two young men that served this manhattan community, and that's what led to just two days ago releasing in a new statement in which he said quote, in port, quote, we have lost too many loved ones to gun violence and people walking the streets with guns will be prosecuted, and the new mayor, eric adams took over and was a veteran of the police force for more than 20 years, and the gun violence must be addressed but there are, of course, other conversations around what that means. eric adams at the front lines
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senate democrats are poised to fill the supreme court seat vacated by justice breyer as soon as possible. it looks like they will stick together and confirm. senator joe manchin said he would support a more liberal nominee as long as he said she is fair. >> are they able to get along with other justices, and you do it in a professional way coming to a conclusion, and this is what we look for in all of our justices, especially in the supreme court, do they have the ability to make good judgment and be able to use the rule of law as your guide. that's what i am looking for. >> as for senator kyrsten sinema, she said she wants somebody who is professionally qualified, believes in the role of an independent judiciary.
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we have been talking about a handful of names, and you were hearing about a few more. >> in addition to three prominent names we have heard so far, j. michelle childs, jackson, and another name is wright and melissa murray, who is also a msnbc legal analysts. in terms of where democrats are right now, they are in good shape to get this done in the senate for the simple reason, why there have been famous divisions, those divisions have not been there on judicial nominations. president biden confirmed 42 judges through the senate so far, a rather brisk pace. and neither manchin or sinema
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has voted against a singling one of them. and jackson came before the senate, and she won not only all 50 democrats but also three republicans. as long as democrats stay together, which is the top goal right now for senator chuck schumer, and he said this will be a fair process that will move quickly, and with fairness so everybody believes they have their say, and they can meet with the nominee and believe the process is on the up and up. >> thank you so much. justice breyer's requirement is the focus on the supreme court on a critical mid-term election. joining me now is one of the democrats vying to take on republican john kennedy. thank you for being here. do you think you can do a better job than senator kennedy serving for louisiana, a very red state. what will you tell voters that
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you will change to make their lives better? >> yeah, first of all, thank you so much for having me on your show. first and foremost, i graduated from the naval academy 109 days before september 11th, and i spent the next 20 years flying f-18th off aircraft carriers, and when my service was complete my wife and i moved back home to louisiana and wanted to raise our children among our friends and family, and it disgusts me that my very own senator voted to overthrow an election. he spit in the very face of democracy that my friends and i spent the last 20 years fighting to protect and i can't stand by and watch that happen. >> he is a deep red republican. it's a deep red state, as i mentioned a moment ago. it's an uphill battle. your opponent is trying to catch a lot of attention by being very strong on legalizing marijuana,
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not just locally, not just by individual states but by doing it federally, and he released an ad where he's smoking a blunt. how do you feel about the subject? do you think it should be made federalized and made legal, or do you think it's something louisiana is not quite ready for? >> i support the decriminalization and legalization of the marijuana, but there's a responsible way to complete that message, and it's a serious topic for those suffering from illness, and there's a difference from advocating and glamorizing, and it ignores the bigger topic and the big subject is that the only senator on the ballot in 2022 who voted to overturn our election, is senator john kennedy and i am confident that
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i am the one to stand up to him. >> sorry you got squeezed a little bit as we had a press conference at the top of the show. >> thank you for having me. coming up next, bracing for the worst. with the threat of the military action at its action at its border, ukrainian schoolchildren are being taught how to protect themselves. t how to protect themselves. ♪ got my heart ♪ ♪ got my soul ♪ ♪ got my mouth ♪ ♪ i got life ♪ what happens when we welcome change? we can transform our workforce overnight out of convenien or necessity. we can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change-- meeting them where they are, and getting them where they want to be. faster.
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an estimated 130,000 russian troops are now massed at ukraine's borders. sky news was inside a school in kyiv as they conducted bombing drills. >> reporter: a school in kyiv evacuated as bomb disposal teams searched the building. a training exercise this time, but schools across been plagued with false alarm bomb scares, being blamed on russian agents. [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> reporter: the ukrainians have obviously got to carry out these kind of drills because there could be more bomb scares but this is doing nothing obviously to calm already pretty jittery nerves in the city. in the offices of the president his advisor told me a russian invasion isn't imminent but russian agents are inside the country and creating division and fear. [ speaking foreign language ] >> from boris johnson. >> reporter: across town the
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mayor and boxing champion showed me the book boris johnson gave them. the prince, the dark hearts of power. >> has that been useful for you as mayor of kyiv? >> yes, of course. >> reporter: ukrainians he says will use everything they have to defend themselves. >> we have no other choice. we have to defend our country, defend our future, defend our families. we are not aggressive. we have to defend the future of our children. >> reporter: but ukraine needs more help from allies, he says, ridiculing germany's promise to send 5,000 helmets and questioning what side it's on. >> it's joke. germany have to decide which side. if ukraine defend our independence, integrity or on the side of aggressors.
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>> reporter: ukrainians must watch and wait while diplomacy goes on miles away from here, in the meantime, preparing for the worst. >> bombing drills at schools. that's going to do it for me today. garrett haake picks up our coverage, next. garrett haake picks up our coverage, next st two great ingr. perfectly ripe, hand-scooped hass avocados and a touch of sea salt. it's like a double double for your tastebuds. subway keeps refreshing and refreshing and refreshing...
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