♪♪ first up on msnbc, breaking news, a powerful nor'easter slamming the east coast, and threatening to bury several major cities under deep snow. thousands of flights are canceled. we are tracking it all. plus -- >> this was a coordinated effort, a multistate effort. who did communicate to these individuals and what was the intent and i think a clear picture is starting to emerge about what the intent was. >> the january 6th committee issuing a new round of subpoenas seeking answers about the fake

elector scheme that took place in seven swing states as the trump campaign tried to overturn the election results. what it signals about the state of the investigation. and we're live on the ground in kyev as russia's military build up on ukraine's border intensifies. president biden announcing he's moving troops to eastern purp plus this warning from america's top general. >> this is larger in scale and scope in the massing of forces than anything we have seen in recent memory and i think you'd have to go back quite a while into the cold war days to see something of this magnitude. censorship in the polar classroom, an upstick of conservative-led bills aimed at limiting discussions on race and sexuality in schools and punishing violateors. we'll look at one in florida critics are calling the don't say gay bill, moving closer becoming law. it is saturday, january 29th.

i'm lindsay reiser. the snow is expected to tall in new york city until 10:00 a.m., 8 to 10 inches possible in long island, strong winds, 65 miles an hour, up to two feet of snow in some parts. jersey shore could see 12 to 18 inches, but if you look in the corners of your screen there you can see that wind coming down steadily. we have a team of reporters and analysts following the latest from boston to new york city to kyev and we're tracking that breaking news up and down the east coast this morning, where we'll begin, the monster snowstorm that moved in overnight is pounding the area with snow and possible blizzard conditions. you can see it coming down there in times square. the storm is targeting new york

and boston. nearly 3,500 u.s. flights have been canceled today and officials in boston and new york city are telling people to stay home. a live look at the road conditions, trying to figure out exactly where this camera is and what we're showing you. i believe this is massachusetts here, strong winds, heavy snow. they're making driving really across the entire area very treacherous. we've got the storm covered from every angle. meteorologist bill karins tracking the radar and ellison barber in brooklyn. bill, when will we see blizzard conditions? >> we don't haven auto official blizzard yet. i woke up this morning, is the storm behaving as we thought it would? are you going to get what you were told and so far so good. the storm is behaving exactly what we thought it would be. it wouldn't be a big deal in

d.c., minor event in the philadelphia area, but heard reports of a foot of snow on the jersey shore, already a foot of snow on long island and wind gusts up to 66 miles per hour on the coast of delaware so near blizzard-like conditions. so the areas we thought wouldn't get hit hard are getting hit and now we're watching all of the high winds and heavy snow traveling up into southern new england and especially towards the boston area. see on satellite it's a huge storm. it's just a beautiful piece of nature. you look at it from outer space, it's an immense storm. snow reported overnight in atlanta, snowing near charlestown, south carolina, myrtle beach. plenty of cold air. usually a lot of big storms we worry about rain and snow. almost all snow with this storm. we don't have to worry about sleet or freezing rain. how much snow will you get? you look at the radar the blue is the light snow. inside of the blue when you get to the white that's the heavy snow along the jersey shore for a couple hours, getting reports

two of to three inches of snow an hour and the heavy snow bands are pushing up central connecticut over long island, up toward boston and the cape and that's where we are expecting the possibility some will get two, two and a half feet of snow. in all notice in the white an advisory, where you get into the reddish color, the pinkish color is winter storm warning and along the coast, blizzard warnings, about 55 million people included. how much additional snow will you get? i said some reports of a foot on the jersey shore, another three to six inches long island and another 6 to 12 on top of the 12 inches you already have on the ground so areas like islip are 10 to 12 inches, probably end up close to 15 to 20. the highest totals will be the providence up toward boston. the national weather service in boston is calling for 24 to 30 inches of snow in boston. that would make it a top five all-time snowstorm and by the

way the highest two-day total snowstorm ever in boston 27 inches. we have a shot at beating that later on today. and here are the biggest snowstorms on record in boston history. 2003 we had 27.6 inches, so that's the mark, if we could beat that, this would be one of the biggest all-time and lindsey, that shot you started the show in new york city showing the swirling wind is the big story. it's hard to measure the snow in some cases. winds gusting 30, 40 mooil. er hour winds in provincetown in cape cod. bundle up this morning. it is a cold blizzard-like morning in the northeast. >> the winds can complicate so much from those efforts to clean up to power lines being down. since you mentioned boston, chris pollone is probably like no kidding t could be a record-breaking storm. i'm experiencing it. chris, the state confirmed more than 2,600 pieces of equipment are out there to help. what's it like right now for

people? >> reporter: the bad part is it's going to get worse. i keep reminding myself. it's hard, we're getting wind gusts in boston but not as bad as it's going to be, as bill said, as other meteorologists said, after 10:00 a.m. we're expecting the meat of this storm to arrive in the city of boston, when you're talking about the 30, 40, 50-mile-per-hour wind gusts, the real heavy snow, two to four inches. it's been snowing here since about midnight. we probably have three or four inches of snow on the ground already. it's hard to tell because of the blowing and the fact that it is very light in nature. for the most part, people are heeding the call, elected officialed have said it's saturday, stay home. this is going to be miserable and for the most part, they are staying home. it's much worse to the south of us on the south shore. they're getting it worse. we have heard of spinouts and accidents down south of boston

and some people have started to venture out but governor charlie baker said yesterday that people really need to stay home. this area deals with snow all the time. this is more than snow. this is going to be snowing two to four inches an hour with high wind gusts, it will be almost impossible to see. here's what the governor had to say. >> the high rate of snowfall tomorrow means it will be especially challenging for crews to clear the roads, especially during that period in the middle of the day and toward the end of the day, which makes it especially important and i'm going to say it again to the fullest extent possible, stay off the roads so that the crews have the room that they need to do their work, because two and four inches an hour, four or five or six hours is going to be an enormously challenging task. >> the city of boston alone has 38,000 tons of salt, about a

thousand pieces of snow removal equipment but at some point they're not going to be able to keep up. that's why they want everyone to stay home. two major concerns, power outages with the high winds and heavy snow and also coastal flooding, not expected to be severe but we could see it here coming up as high tide arrives in just a couple of hours. >> certainly the plow drivers get finished with the route and when they're done, looks like they hadn't started, coming down so quick. ellison barber, bill talking about the wind being a huge story line here. what are the conditions where you are? >> reporter: normally i am standing in a part of brooklyn where you have a clear view of the manhattan sky line, just down the road here, you can see you really can't see any of it. when the wind starts to come through here if you watch the bits of snow that have already started to build up along the area, it becomes almost like a tunnel of white. that is what officials here are really worried about. they say if you don't have an

emergency, if it's possible for you to stay home and as you see it happening now, stay home, because this is going to be one of the big concerns, the department of sanitation they say they have already treated some 700 miles of road in new york city. they have 280,000 tons of salt ready to go, some 1,800 snowplows to get on the roads. big picture if you don't need to be out, please stay home and also keep an eye on your neighbor. here's what the mayor had to say. >> look after your neighbors, that includes checking in on them, shoveling snow if need be to make sure it gets the support particularly our seniors to get the support that they need, but the name of the game of bundle up, get prepared, we want to see through this and no matter what you do, make sure you wear your mask to keep us safe. >> reporter: i love snow but even i will tell you, it is better to not be outside right

now if you don't need to be outside. i am getting pelted with snow as the wind comes through and that, again, is the big concern that you're going to see particularly with this powdery snow, a lot of it just flying through the air creating whiteout conditions, unsafe to drive in. they're telling new yorkers if you see someone outside who doesn't have shelter, someone issues with heat to called 311 to see if they can get that person some help. >> ellison barber and chris pollone, thanks to you and your crews. have you decided how soon you'll be moving troops to eastern europe? >>ily' be moving u.s. troops to eastern europe and the nato countries in the near term. >> that was president biden saying he will move troops to eastern europe but he also added that it won't be a lot. this as u.s. officials warn russia could attack ukraine at

any moment. the "wall street journal" reports that moscow has begun sending medical units to the ukraine border which is usually a prerequisite for battle. they've also amassed about 125,000 troops around ukraine. for more we turn to matt bradley in kyev. >> reporter: some ominous words from the pentagon, seems as far as the u.s. is concerned, that's important, that war is imminent. we heard from the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley at the pentagon that was yesterday. here's what he had to say. >> there are many people in highly dense population centers throughout ukraine and if war were to break out on the scale and scope that is possible, the civilian population will suffer immensely. >> reporter: it showed there's an interesting disconnect here, this is the country of course that has the most absolute to be

invaded but here on the ground it's almost as if nobody notices. it's not just ordinary people walking around on the street. the president of the country has pushed back against american claims both official claims from diplomats and from the president and from media who say that war is imminent. he addressed foreign reporters yesterday and was kind of visibly impatient with the foreign media and the message they've been sending the kind of sky is falling attitude that he says isn't helping. could sow panic, is not realistic. he insisted over and over again he understands better than anyone else the concerns of his own country and rejected this idea that war was being implied or put upon him by western diplomats and leaders, and he said that the real problem here is that all of the panic is just damaging the ukrainian economy, something he's worked very hard to improve. lindsay? >> matt, thank you. for more on what's happening with ukraine and how the u.s. is responding we are joined by

former u.s. ambassador to ukraine william taylor. i have been hanging on your every word when i've seen you on msnbc this week. what do you make of the latest moves and that rejection from president zelensky war is imminent? >> clearly the russians are doing everything to get ready for some kind of invasion. i don't think and sounds like general milley doesn't think that vladimir putin has made a decision yet. he has not made a decision and if that's true, he can still be deterred from invading ukraine. an invasion would kill a lot of civilians, a lot of military but a lot of civilians on the ukrainian side and a lot of military on the russian side. president putin has a momentous decision to make. he can commit war crimes by

attacking civilians and go down in history as a failure or he can be deterred and when president biden says he's going to send troops to eastern europe, that's a very good sign. it's more an indication of a strong response from the united states, and from nato to deter president putin from making a bad decision and he can negotiate. we have some signals from moscow yesterday they may be interested, they are interested in negotiating. they've still got the preparations going on. they still have the capability to invade but it looks like to me they're looking for a negotiation rather than an invasion. >> a former obama official said he could make a move before february 4th because he won't want to upset china by launching an invasion during the olympics. is that something you agree

with? >> lindsey, he clearly has that capability and has other considerations. putin has to worry about many things, one is the weather. if it's not cold enough, he can't move his tanks. but he also has to worry about china and if he has any support from anywhere, if he sees the united states and ukraine have great support, have solid support from europeans, from japanese, from the australians, from the canadians, president putin is looking at a strong alliance and president putin doesn't have that. so he's got to worry about a lot of these things. >> ambassador, i want to ask you about an op-ed in "the washington post," former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfall says it's important to believe that putin doesn't think

like other leaders. putin believes the west unfairly dictated the terms of peace at the cold war's end. to revise this so-called american imperial order especially in europe, he sees this mission as his sacred destiny." is mcfall right here what does that say for how this to play out? >> he knows russia very, very well and he knows president putin well so i respect exactly what mike says and my sense is putin is focused on ukraine first. he has this obsession with ukraine and so that is the first thing that president putin is looking at. the next thing, mike mcfall may be right to reorder the end of the soviet union, the arrangement that came out after the cold war, but the first thing that we have to focus on is deterring him from invading

ukraine. he may be deterred now. he may be turning towards negotiations, and there are some things that can improve his security and we can secure our security, improve our security if we go to that negotiating table but we need to deter him and moving the u.s. troops that president biden's talking about is an important step. >> one of the cards could be played is the issue of natural gas and supplying it to europe. we know the european union gets around 40% of its natural gas from russia. let's listen to what christopher miller an assistant professor at tufts university said yesterday how this impacts the standoff. >> over the past decade and a half, the kremlin has used its role as a natural gas supplier to many countries in central and eastern europe to pressure governments that get on the wrong side of vladimir putin, for the country's gas at vulnerable times for their economy or political system. >> how does this factor in, is this something the u.s. and

other nato allies can fill in the gaps here? >> that's the attempt. there's a lot of work going on right now to identify additional sources of natural gas that can go to europe, in the event that president putin makes a mistake of cutting them off. you have to remember the natural gas issue is both ways, that is president putin only has one main source of his economy, of funding his economy, that's hydrocarbon sales. if he seemed to be a very unreliable supplier, that is if he cuts off europe or cuts off other nations from supply of gas, no one's going to buy his gas. everybody's going to look for other sources of gas and there are other sources of gas that are trying to surge right now in this short term to make up for any possible cutoffs but also long-term substitution that the europeans are already started to

do, to reduce that reliance on russian gas. >> ambassador william taylor, you've given us a lot to consider. always learn something when you come on. thank you so much. >> thank you. still to come, they falsely claimed donald trump won the 2020 election in their states and now they're being hit with subpoenas. the january 6th committee is asking 14 of the alleged fake electors to explain their roles in this plot to overturn a legitimate election. one is already saying he'll cooperate. imagine being sued for simply talking about lgbtq related topics in classes. a so-called "don't say gay" bill makes its way through the state legislature. we'll break it down. e legislature. we'll break it down.

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so-called alternate electors who falsely claimed that then president donald trump won the election in seven battleground states. bennie thompson said those witnesses quote have information about how the all the not electors met and who was behind that scheme. here is how committee representative investigates. >> i want to know who was behind this plot to overturn the election. this didn't randomly happen that people in various states decided i'll do a bogus certificate, no, this was coordinated and planned and we'd like to know every aspect of that. >> the milwaukee journal sentinel is reporting one of those alleged false electors wisconsin's former gop chairman andrew hitt plans to cooperate

with the investigation. they have also subpoenaed judd deere citing his firsthand knowledge of what went on before and during the riot. let's bring in danny cevalos. a clear picture of intent has emerged. what is this latest round of subpoenas tell us where the investigation stands? >> it tells us they're using a good strategy, going after people who don't probably feel like they have anything to hide. take andrew hitt for example. he and others appear to be claiming look, we were just following the advice of legal counsel. we weren't trying to do anything nefarious. those are the kind of people you want to subpoena, whether you're congress or just the government doing a criminal investigation. those are the people who will feel like they were used and going to be more than willing to

volunteer documents and possibly testimony. it's a time-worn strategy to go after the people who have lesser liability or no liability because those are the folks when they get a subpoena that say i don't want any trouble. i'm just going to cooperate. >> so do any of these alleged false electors though open themselves up to legal liability by cooperating with the committee? >> anyone whoever cooperates with the government or subpoena or anything like that and turns over documents potentially exposes themselves to some kind of liability, criminal or otherwise. that's always a possibility, coming from me a criminal defense attorney i'm being overly cautious. if you read the committee's letter to andrew hitt for example, they stress, look, we are only seeking a narrow scope of information, we're not looking for all your political views, not making this a political persecution. we just want information about this very specific area. so if the committee uses a

scalpel and not a battle axe, they may be able to get the information they want without getting people to quash these subpoenas or oppose them. >> so we learned that the panel wants to ask former ken ute white house press secretary jud deere about a january 5th staff meeting in the oval office, according to a committee, trump asked what are your ideas for getting the rhinos tomorrow? it sounds like they're going maybe i'm paraphrasing incorrectly smaller fish go after big fish. does it seem like the walls are closing in on him? >> it's hard to say the walls are closing in because i feel like we've been saying that, legal analysts getting on air saying the walls are closing in on trump for a long time but i will say this is again a very effective strategy. don't go after the big fish. go after people who were in the periphery

periphery, maybe heard a big fish say something interesting and this may be the case here. he was asking what do we do about rino, republicans in name only, he might have some ire for them for being disloyal and said so during a meeting and that could give important information to the committee or if that doesn't yield information it might give a thread to pull on to go to the next person or the next document or the next email. >> danny, i want to talk about something different, a group of lawyers is working to get gop representative madison cawthorn who cheered on capitol rioters disqualified for re-election unless they can prove he wasn't an insurrectionist, using the constitution, a rarely used provision that applies to anyone who had previously taken an oath to support the constitution and then engage in "insurrection or rebellion against the u.s." this was last used in 1920.

what are the chances this goes anywhere and what are the implications for others? >> this part of the 14th amendment from the 19th century was designed to keep former members of the confederacy out of the government. if you look at the language, that is the exact intent is to keep essentially insurrectionists out of government but in modern times what does it mean to engage, not just talk about but engage in insurrection or rebellion against our government. the modern definition as you said, hasn't been used in almost a century, the modern definition may vary from the framers' original intent or meaning, so what that actually means remains to be litigated, and this is a very creative application of the 14th amendment, which is traditionally thought of as kind of a civil rights amendment, something that protects people's civil rights. it does have that little clause i believe section 3 or clause 3

that has this disqualification, possibly for life. >> all right, danny cevallos, thank you. appreciate your time. powerful wind, windchills near zero, coastal flooding, the threat of widespread power outages and more than a foot of snow. boston, new england are getting hammered as we speak. forecasters predicting today's storm could be the biggest the city has ever seen. we'll go there live next. we'll go there live next ♪♪ fill your medicare prescriptions with walgreens and save.

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8,000 homes and businesses without power right now. by the way, the worst of the storm is yet to come in that area. here in new york city the snow is falling hard in times square. central park has gotten more than five inches and the mayor urged people to check in on their neighbors, shovel for them if they can. driving conditions in long island, new york, where conditions including snowfalls and wind could be worse. you can see why the mayor is encouraging people to use public transit if possible and stay off the roads. this is a look at heavy snow people in maryland were dealing with overnight and we just learned parts of new jersey have already seen a foot of snow. nbc's kathy park is in boston. kathy, worst is yet to come here. how is it so far and are they prepared? >> reporter: lindsey, good morning to you. the snow is starting to come down but man, the winds are brutal, but like you said, this kind of is just the appetizer because the storm is only

expected to intensify later on today. they're projecting anywhere between two to four inches per hour, but crews are out and about. they have working around the clock here in massachusetts. they have roughly 4,000 pieces of equipment ready to go and also here in boston, there is a snow emergency, so parking restrictions are in effect. as you could imagine, air travel has been halted, hundreds of flights have been canceled in and out of boston, logan international, but in addition to all of this snow, over in the coastal communities, we are tracking potential widespread flooding as well as power outages, wind gusts already clocking close to 50 to 60 miles per hour in communities like scituate, we were out there yesterday and residents there were starting to prepare, they were boarding up, they were bringing out the sandbags. they are used to nor'easters but also know the impact of a blizzard of this magnitude, which could be historic.

so officials are urging people to stay indoors today, because conditions will only deteriorate as the day progresses, lindsey. >> good point there. emlie ikeda in new york. so snow, wind and coastal flooding? >> reporter: parts of long island buried by several inches of know and the impressive clip, several inches an hour. you can see it coming down now. i want to show you the consistency of the snow, this light, inclusive fluffy snow. we get wind gusts they are biting. it picks up the snow, blows it around, worsening visibility that much more and that's why you'll hear from experts and forecasters warning of nearly impossible travel conditions. so far this morning it's still an early hour but we haven't seen too many people on the road ways. many staying inside, except for

the caravans of snowplows come through the area and nearby new york city, nearly 2,000 snowplows were responding to this winter event alone there and we're seeing similar pictures of just areas being completely blanketed like this across the northeast region, this region seeing its first blizzard warning in years. states of new jersey in new york, new jersey, maryland. you mentioned earlier more than a foot of snow recorded in parts of new jersey, similarly in maryland, around nine inches or so and paired with all of this is the bitter cold. if you're going outside at all today, two words, layer up. the windchills here in long island could drop as low as negative 12 degrees. so you really want to be prepared, lindsey, as you step outside today. >> oh my gosh, emilie, you mentioned the windchills. we can see the wind whipping the snow. concerns about power outages.

how are officials there prepared to address that? >> reporter: here in long island some 900 utility workers are out and about on the roads responding to power outages, trimming trees, trying to reduce any risk. again, with these winds we could see 60-mile-an-hour wind gusts, could take down trees and the heavy snow and ice coats that could cause branches to break. it's a top concern and power outages during frigid temperatures like this all that more alarming. lindsey? >> absolutely, could be dangerous. kathy and emilie thanks to you and your crews. stay warm. president biden and his team are getting ready to conduct some of the highest stakes job interviews on the planet. they'll be spending the next few weeks interviewing possible replacements for supreme court justice stephen breyer. and the latest development the white house has officially named its first possible joyce, judge j. michelle childs, making the

south carolina judge the first person the white house has publicly identified as a possible nominee. president biden said he'll name that nominee, it will be a black woman, by the end of february. childs is a u.s. district court judge preently nominated for a seat on the d.c. circuit but her confirmation hearing will be postponed while under consideration for the supreme court. she's the known favorite of key bide an lie house majority whip james clyburn. it includes ketaji brown jackson. we bring in emily a host of the podcast "pivot." thanks for being with us. kevin, you're familiar with justice breyer the way he does things and holds the court in

such high regard. when you hear the names of his possible replacement, what's your reaction and your hopes in terms of these women carrying on his legacy? >> i think any of them would be a terrific choice, all highly qualified, very smart people who would do a great job. in terms of replacing justice breyer, the critical role in recent years as a compromiser, somebody seeking middle ground on hard cases that can bring people from both the left and the right wings of the court together to decide cases in a way that everybody can live with and that does not make the court seem to overtly partisan in a way that undermines its legitimacy in the eyes of the country. >> emily, we talk about getting the confirmation through, there is politics involved. chuck schumer wants this done quickly. senator manchin says he's open to a nominee with more liberal

views than his and we know that manchin and sinema voted for every one of biden's traditional nominees. do you expect them to do the same and is there a risk that democrats run by moving quickly? we know manchin didn't like that with justice amy coney barrett's nomination. >> it seems to get it done quickly because the biden administration is looking for a lot of wins, that would be one way do it. the holdup to big pieces of legislation is sinema and manchin, the fact they're signaling they're on board is great. they had not been willing to show their hands and what they're willing to compromise on so the fact they are signaling they'll be on board with that and have a good track record of confirming justices that is great news. this is a place the biden administration and the senate should get credit, they have confirming justices at a very good rate, getting them confirmed through, and getting

justices with a good diversity of experience through. this is something incredibly important to president biden to make sure that there has been not just diversity in over 70% women, they've confirmed, it's been majority of people of color they confirmed in justices, but the fact that they have diversity of experience in being public defenders, something that biden would, tie versity of experience, they've gone to public universities, something that's been very important to biden to get a diversity of experience in the court in general so i expect to see that in the supreme court nominee as well. >> kevin, the 2022 midterms are now the fourth election in a row to essentially be up-ended by a change on the supreme court and we've heard several of the justices speak up about how politicized the court has become in the eyes of many. what is your take on the court being tied with elections over the last decade, something that you say justice breyer stood really firmly against?

>> unfortunate occurrence and unfortunate coincidence that the timing has been such is creates political momentum in the elections to talk about the court as a political institution, something as you mentioned justice breyer very much resists. he does not want the country to think of the justices as junior varsity politicians, is the phrase he has used in the past. he thinks that they checked their political robes at the door and he doesn't think the court can play its crucial role as the arbiter of disputes between congress and the president or between the federal government and the states as effectively if people have the impression that they are just politicians like everybody else in the government. and so it's deeply unsettling to him that i suspect that timing worked out that he was going to end up retiring in time to make this another political football. >> emily, i have to be quick

with you on this, do you think it will make that much of a difference with the midterms still pretty far away? >> it's not going to change the balance of the court. the court is still moving in a conservative direction with a 6-3 ideology. what will change is republicans had traditionally motivated voters on confirming justices, supreme court in particular has been a big motivating factor for republican politicians and voters. democrats have not been able to motivate voters in the same way. showing the makeup of the court reflects the american public i think can be a political factor. i worked on merrick garland's nonconfirmation campaign and that was a true politicization of supreme court confirmations. everything became "in an election year." >> very interesting. kevin, i have 30 seconds. any last words from you? >> i think one of the things that justice breyer will leave behind is a legacy not only of

this insistence on the court as a nonpolitical institution but somebody who advocated for the benefits of civility among people who disagree with each other deeply. supreme court is one of the last institutions of our government in which people who deeply disagree about things treat each other civilly and that's something that he was well-known for on the court and an example for elsewhere in our government and our society. >> we could really use that everywhere. kevin russell and emily, thank you for your time. and still to come, governor ron desantis' so-called don't say gay law is making its way through the florida legislature. it would ban discussions about sexual orientation and gender identity in the classroom and our next guest says lgbtq kids in the state could be in real danger because of it. what you need to know and why a law like this could be coming to your state, too. this could be o your state, too.

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classroom discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity is moving forward in the florida state legislature. critics have dubbed it the don't say gay bill and it also allows parents to sue schools or teachers that violate the measure. supporters say it is about parental rights but experts argue it could have say devastating impact. chasten buttigieg, the husband of pete buttigieg and a former teacher, slammed the bill saying it will, quote, will kill kids. there is a recent explosion surrounding race and sexual itd in schools and punished violators. of the 71 bills, 15 would give students and parents and people with no connection to the school in question, the right to sue schools and recover damages in court. joining me right now is the newly named executive director of the gay lesbian straight education network melanie william jaggers. congratulations to you.

and welcome. thanks for being here. >> thanks a lot. happy to be here. >> your organization just released their own data on treatment of lgbtq students in school and it is not a safe environment. so what impact will this bill have? >> yeah, listen, you know, the efforts to exclude positive visibility of communities that experience marginalization from the classroom, further stigmatized and isolates people in those communities, right. in this case it is lgbtq plus young people. it makes educators fearful to provide safeful environments that are free of victimization. we know that in order to be available for learning, young people have to feel safe and in their minds and in their hearts and in their bodies. we know that curriculum ought to be a window no into the world that is different to them and a

mirror experiencing their own families and communities anz families. so we understand that there are supports that when their in place they're helpful for young people. and taking away these supports is fundmentally a desire to harm children, these latest bills are the product of a desantis and his administration deploying his toties at the latest pattern of harmful attacks on florida's lgbtq plus students. an this is a pattern over years. and in the past it has been about misinterpreting evidence based search regarding anti-lgbtq and defunding mental health support for survivors of the pulse massacre and banning trans athletes and resources from the state department of education's website. this is a cynical vision, right, of what young people should be

able to get from an education in florida or anywhere. >> so taking a bird's-eye view, 71 bills introduces, 122 since january of the last year and ten have been law and it is targing issues in schools that aren't problems to begin with. lgbtq topics and critical race theory and meanwhile there are real problems, teacher shortages and protocols, is there any way to make sense of this? >> sure, i think there is two key ways to make sense of this. i'm old enough to be educated at a time to be raised by a mother who wanted me to know more than she did. wanted me to do better in life than she has. this is a cynical view of what parents want for their children. and what children in florida and around the country should have access to. what we're seeing is a coordinated attack on equal opportunity for lgbtq plus students and students of color and from other communities who are experiencing marginalization

in our school. it undermines or threatens any teacher or administrator who openly supports lgbtq plus students and exploits parents by stoking the fear and division in schools, pitting teachers and parents who are litly on the same side, against one another and in a moment where our systems are experiencing the deepest strain that they have, particularly our education system. this is not the time to be making it worse for students and for teachers. >> i appreciate your time on the show. and i know that you just got your post and so we'll be watching you and your group to see how you combat measures like this. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> and thank you for watching msnbc reports. i'm lindsey reiser, i'll be back tomorrow at 7:00. velshi starts after the break. 0 velshi starts after the break.

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