dick durbin thank you you can do business with them. you can't. >> and on top of that, he trusts them and he likes them. hard to imagine why. as always, my friend, good to see you. >> hard to imagine grassley saying the reverse. >> yeah, absolutely. i can't imagine it either. tonight, the art of destruction. how russia's disinformation campaign ukraine's working among the public. plus, donald trump is at it again pushing himself into the spotlight and the affirmative action is being centered around asian americans. but why? i am maybe mohyeldin, let's get started. good evening everyone. we begin tonight in russia where president vladimir putin has amassed as many as 175,000

troops around the ukrainian border. it's an invasion. there is one form of warfare that has already been on its way. russia disinformation propaganda. in fact, in recent weeks, u.s. intelligence official has concluded that russia is using disinformation to lay the groundwork for an invasion. so, to undercut their efforts, to undermine disinformation campaign, the white house, the state department even european officials are beginning to highlight them. basically, they are trying to expose them. here is what white house press secretary, jen psaki, speaking out about this on friday had to say. >> we have made a decision, a strategic decision, to call on this information as we see. it all across the federal government, various agencies are working together to fight this information that corrected. russia is misrepresenting the truth in what it's doing. some of that tactic from there and is intended to set a

predicate for them invading. >> and now, thanks to those efforts to name and shame and grow media coverage of the situation, we have a pretty good idea of what russia's disinformation campaign looks like. so, let's try and break it down for you. earlier this month, russia state media reported that the claim of a group of ukrainian commandoes were planning a false flag operation that would supposedly give ukrainians cover to retaliate against russia. now, it's important to keep in mind that this report in russian media came to this after u.s. officials basically said that they had evidence that it was the russians that had been preposition operatives in ukraine to conduct their own false live operation. it's hard to know who's telling the truth here for a moment. but this could be an example of russia trying to deflect criticism of their own actions by refusing their adversaries of doing the same thing against them. next, is this claim from putin himself.

that his actions are simply an attempt to protect russians living in ukraine from ethnic violent. even putting as far to claim as what's happening there looks like genocide. let's be clear here, there are no credible reports of violence against ethnic russians living inside your creek. in fact, the country, it's ukraine's living in crime here that received harsh -- and perhaps one of the most shocking examples is a claim in rushing media by the russian defense minister that the u.s. is explaining a chemical weapons attack in ukraine. as the state department as pointed, out the united states has signed the chemical weapons convention and does not use chemical bins and more. it also points out that in 2020, the global chemical weapons watchdog group confirm that navalny's had been contaminated. ramped up efforts to call up and debunking information by the officials who should be

applauded. let's be clear about that. in 2014, the west was completely caught flat-footed by the kremlin's different formation playbook. one of the more bizarre examples is a story broadcast in russian state media about the supposed public execution of a three year old boy. a supposed witness said the boy was crucified in the crowd during protests, or marches if you will, by ukrainian rebels in the main square. researchers later debunked that story but the damage had been done. and the story would be used to try to justify the russian invasion into crimea. which the world was unable to stop. as that incident proved, sometimes, the most important that is the information one. it's a situation we are all too familiar with in the united states. after all, it was disinformation related to the big lie that helped push some americans to commit an assault on our own democracy. so if the u.s. is going to stand up to russian aggression in ukraine.

they would first have to defeat its propaganda before a single bullet is even fired. joining me now to discuss this and more is, nina jankowicz, she is a global fellow it at the center. and the author of how to lose the information war. russia fake news and the future of conflict. nina, it's great to have you with us. i can't think of a better person to speak to on this. the u.s. governments are making a much more conservative effort, as i was pointing, got to call out russia's disinformation campaign. especially compared to what we saw play out in the run up to 2014 invasion in crimea. how do you think they're doing so far? are they winning the battle in that information war? >> well, you know him in, we are really far behind in this battle unfortunately, russia has been at this game in decades if you go back to the soviet area they are very well practiced in these techniques. and we ignored a lot of warnings. that's what my book is about. these techniques were being auditioned in central and eastern european countries now, we kind of washed up a little

bit and i'm glad that we have. and i think that these attempts by jen psaki and the u.s. defense secretary to call out russian disinformation have perked peoples ears up a little bit. and we are primed to hear with the rushing government is saying, or at least question it a little bit more. but the problem is, it's just those communities along the border that really matter. we've seen these sort of border conflicts before. and if russia can throw a match it might ignite a large -- before we know it. and i just hope that we've proven enough over the past couple of weeks as this buildup has continued. and we will see what happens as time marches on here. >> are you seeing a change in russia's tactics as well? i mean, what has rushes tactic been to this perhaps, more proactive stance from the u.s. and its nato allies? >> so, i think their general

approach to this disinformation is just trying to blunt the zone. that's what a lot of disinformation scholars call. it they have the resources both monetary and humid to really throw a lot of falsehoods into our never ending information cycle. and so what we have seen in this research, i'm a senior adviser to the center of resilience which pump that this information. we have seen a 50% uptake in how much disinformation about ukrainian aggression is being spread on russia state media channels. and just as a reminder for viewers, as you beautifully laid out, ukraine is not the aggressor in this conflict. they are the ones that had our territory forcibly taken from them by the russian government. so, any talk of ukrainian aggression is just so farfetched. it's ukraine trying to defend its own sovereignty. again, we've seen that almost double in the past couple of weeks compared to the beginning of last year. >> you, know the funny thing is, you know that you've made a big

or it's mainstream when even saturday night live is aware of your disinformation. i want to see this clip from last nights episode. watch. >> they are even turning our most beloved heroes against us i don't always get invaded, but when i do i prefer russia. >> not to mention this. why i gotta be ukrainian when russia two feet away? nothing is sacred to them. not even guy checking out hall girl. >> so, they are obviously making light of the situation. but in a piece that you wrote for the washington post, you actually talked about how russia has actually been using mercenary influencers on instagram and tiktok tell us a little bit more about these efforts >> yes, absolutely. i think russia's attempted just as saturday underlined to get to the younger population and attempting to kind of say, this european future that you are envisioning for yourself, you can have that in russia or you

can have a better future in russia. trying to really prop up this idea that russia is anything but an authoritarian country. those, i think, efforts were a little bit transparent for ukrainians at this point. they have been going through eight years of war. they have lost about 14,000 people in this conflict. this is europe's only hot war. so i think putin has really miscalculated if he really thinks he's going to find in accepting ukrainian public. ukrainians don't want war and, importantly aim, and we russians don't want war either. if you look at the polling from russia, which has to be taken with a grain of salt, these propaganda efforts, even though they're nonstop in russia, aren't being taken to heart by the russian population. nobody wants war with ukraine. certainly although there is a little bit more appetite with war with nato, the russian economy is in tethers with the sanction stomach becoming. it will sort two --

so hopefully we see president putin considering before a massive loss of life. big impacts on the russian people as. we'll >> take me on the ground inside ukraine for a moment. i know you track this a lot closer than i do. but beyond the broad to come back these efforts on a global scale, what is actually being done on the ground inside ukraine and russia to combat this disinformation, if anything. >> yeah, well, ukraine is one of the more advanced countries in dealing with disinformation because they have been dealing with it for the past eight years and then before that during the early independence of the soviet period. so, they have invested in media. they have set up to combat this information. and the new president, of alaska, who is as famous in the united states for being a comedian and the subject of the first impeachment scandal, he is very famously, as a russian speaker --

to make sure that the ukrainian government has a way to communicate with those populations that might only get their news from the kremlin sponsored state news network. so i think that's very smart. and then more broadly we see the u.s., the uk and the new government really investing in supporting ukraine and the efforts of pushing back on russia's disinformation around the european continent. and we are learning. we are learning slowly. i would like to see more investment from all of the ally countries in this because again it is, one of the things that you pointed on this show, feeling a lot of the backsliding of democracy that we are seeing across the west. so, i think it is one of the most important topics that we have. it is a threat to democracy every day that we don't do anything about it. and i think that we are finally, again, starting to wake up an invest in these long term efforts that we need to fight disinformation. >> yes, an ounce i was mentioning there is this effort by the russians to give a

pretext, the invasion of ukraine. so it seems very important to be tracking with that pretext. is nina jankowicz, like you so much for joining us. greatly appreciate your insights. >> my pleasure joining me now is david n. cicilline, he is a member of the foreign relations committee. he just got back from an official visit to ukraine. congressman, thank you for joining us this evening. i greatly appreciate your time. as i mentioned, first off, you are just in ukraine with other senior members at the house foreign affairs committee. can you tell us about your trip and what you saw, what you concluded while you were there? >> sure, well our trip first took us to brussels where we left with nato officials and members of the european community to talk about a unified response to russian aggression. we then traveled to kyiv where we met with the foreign minister and the defense minister up -- and we were there to communicate in a bipartisan way for republicans and democrats

where we stand with the ukrainian people, we stand with the right to remain a sovereign country and against any aggression to change the boards of ukraine by russia and by vladimir putin. we are prepared to do everything we can to support ukraine. i can tell you that they are taking this threat seriously. they are preparing, and at the same time, careful not to get the public panicked and not to give putin a defeat by having an economy crumble and have people panic. so, this is been in for a number of years. they understand russian disinformation, they understand the threat that russia poses but there are people prepared to fight for their country, they're asking for help in that fight and so their allies in the region, our nato allies, are prepared to do all that we can to support them. in their efforts to defend their own country. >> so, tell us about with the help looks. like what kind of assistance are ukrainian officials asking for? and are they getting the help

they need at this point. let's be quite frank, you and i hear, american troops are not going to defend ukraine. no nato troops are going to defend ukraine as you mentioned, they are prepared to fight through their own country. but what is it that they're asking for? and what is it that they need? and are they getting it? >> these are very proud people who are prepared to fight for their democracy and their freedom. they built a lot of capability over the last several years we've assisted with that as well as many european countries but there is no question that, currently, russia has a much stronger military. so they are going to need assistance, lethal assistance, everything from weapons to ammunition some additional training but they are also going to need economic assistance to help support their economy if innovation occurs. so, they're asking for both military assistance, economic assistance i think they're getting support from many american countries. i think that we've already done a lot. i think will do more. we took back their request, both for economic assistance

and the military assistance, will bring that to our colleagues but look, this is more than just ukraine. this is about whether we are going to defend the alliance that has kept europe at peace for a generation after two world wars and it's really about whether or not we're going to love vladimir putin to invade a sovereign country without consequences so our message was, we will participate in the most crushing sanctions imaginable that will cripple the russian economy. we want vladimir putin to know everyone is on board to do that. and we also want to understand that, if he thinks he's going to march into kyiv or into ukraine and the people are just going to welcome him. he is sadly mistaken. these are people who are proudly ukrainian. they don't want anything to do with russia are vladimir putin. an already it's seen, his results of the aggression in crimea so hopefully, this will de-escalate. he will understand the risk. and the more unified we are as europe, the united states with ukraine, the better chance we have in preventing this military action from happening at all.

>> i noticed, sir, in your first instance you were talking about something that got a little bit of attention this week. the disconnect as some have described it between the ukrainian president is saying to try and not cause panic in this country. and a language that has come out of washington. certainly, the white house saying that this invasion is imminent. it doesn't seem that the ukrainians see it this way although they suit see russia as a threat they don't see innovation imminent what was your read on the conversations that you had from them. are they on the same page with what the united states is assessment to be an imminent invasion? are they downplaying what is happening there? >> no, look, they're looking very closely with their intelligence community. they understand the presence on their border of more than 110,000 troops. they understand the preparations that are underway. i think president zelensky is trying to balance to make sure that he doesn't create destruction that would cause economic consequences, people to flee from ukraine and create

instability. and frankly, destabilize the government that putin wants even before he steps foot into ukraine. i think is trying to rebalance. he wants to reassure the country. they understand the threat. they are working with their allies to mitigate the consequences of any military action. they're asking for economic assistance, military assistance. but the ukrainians are living their life. and they have lived with this since 2014. they are familiar with this warfare. there are four mission year with russian aggression. so it hasn't paralyzed them. when you're on the streets of ukraine, people are living their life going about their business but i think the government understands the serious threat and are prepared to respond to it that the same, time working hard to protect the ukrainian economy in their way of life. and i think that's a responsible way to do it. >> before you go, congressman, i wanted to play some recent comments by putin's favorite american propaganda over at fox. tucker carlson. what this >> is the fact, is ukraine a strategically

irrelevant to the united states. no rational person could defend a war with russia over ukraine. why is it disloyal to side with russia but loyal to side with ukraine? they are both foreign countries that don't care anything about the united states. kind of change. >> what is your take their own tucker's argument siding with putin? >> it's disgraceful first of all, the difference is that ukrainian democracy -- russia is enough variant dictatorship one is an ally of the united states and they are on the border of us really the frontier and if we allow vladimir putin to take a sovereign country and endangers a peace and stability in europe, the notion that they are equally, both russia and ukraine, countries that care, this is about the future of democracy in the world. protecting ukraine's sovereignty and their ability to remain a democracy from a threat of authoritarian

government is crucial not only to the ukrainian people but the people in europe in this country and, there is a big difference we met with ukrainians who said, one woman in particular, i live in the soviet union. i know whether distill of. there i am never going back i am never going to give up the freedoms i have in ukraine, i am willing to fight with my own gun to protect our democracy and my country and if they're willing to do that. we have to be willing to stand with them. to show the world that democracy works and it's worth defending. tucker carlson should be ashamed of himself. >> couldn't agree with you more, congressman david n. cicilline i know it's been a busy week for you. thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> my pleasure. >> i coming up, one super freshman is making her mark on climate policy in the house democratic congresswoman, melanie stansbury joins me live next plus, who is edward bloom? we are going to introduce you to the conservative single-handedly attempting to overturn affirmative action in this country. but first, vinita here is here

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trump also called on supporters to mount large protest and cities like atlanta new york if prosecutors who are investigating him and his businesses take action against him. have we learned nothing from the last time? january six was traumatizing for us as a country especially for those lawmakers inside the capitol that day. but we continue to be re-traumatized again and again as figures in the republican party crop a payment that continues to use the same inflammatory language for political gain. joining me now is freshman congresswoman, melanie stands barry from new mexico. congresswoman, thank you for your time this evening. former president trump in fact had a statement out this evening referring to the bipartisan effort to reform the electoral count. which is gaining some attraction in congress. in fact, he continues to push the vice president mike pence had the power to overturn the election. off easily, i see that as a flood of admission of guilt for what he was trying to do on january the 6th. you see there on the bottom of the screen. what is your take on the

statement tonight that he believed that mike pence could've overturn the election. that's what he wanted him to do. >> well, amy, thank you so much for having me on tonight what is clear is that we know that the trump organization engaged in criminal activity with regards to this deal of this election. and in fact, here new mexico, in my own state, we know that two members of our gop have actually been subpoenaed by the january six special committee and, what we know is that fake electors were actually sending forward documents that were signifying that trump had won the election in states like new mexico. where that was clearly false. in fact, in new mexico, trump lost. and biden won by 11 points. by 99,000 votes in our state. this is criminal activity in our state laws. it's been referred by are a deep by federal action. and we must find out to get to

the bottom of what happened at the federal level. so our select committee will be investigating these charges along with everything else that's been going on. >> yes, and speaking of the select committee, the january six committee said it is sipping more than 2000 people involved in the fake elector scheme, following the 2020 election. two of those individuals from your home state of new mexico. does it surprise you how far the former president supporters went to overturn the election? >> i think that it's shocking to see the degree to which local officials, especially in the state of new mexico, and all across the country participated in this huge lie and fabrication and effort to steal our democracy the foundation of our democracy is open, free and fair election and i am appalled and disgusted to see that local a fictional in my own state, including in our state gop, have

participated in these activities which are clearly criminal and clearly defined to overturn the will of the people and we really have to get to the bottom of this issue. >> i want to move on to your work that you're doing in washington you've already gained quite the reputation when it comes to climate policy and think out there is someone fighting for climate policy in a meaningful way. your colleagues have actually described it as a policy want with a staffer level knowledge about environmental issues. how the climate become such an important cause for you? and more importantly, i can understand why it has become a cause for you why do you think, from what you've seen so far in congress, has it not been a cause for your colleagues? >> well, i have worked on climate and water resilience in my entire career. i have actually worked at the nexus between science and sustainability and social justice since i was a kid. my background is a science educator and i worked especially in a lot of resources throughout my career.

and during the obama administration, i worked in -- and so many young people came to politics after the 2016 election. i run for office because i believe deeply that we can bring meaningful change. not only to our political system. but the moment demands that new leaders step up into spaces that they have never been before to really fight for the issues that we care about like climate change. and what i believe is that we are really at this inflection moment globally in terms of solving our climate crisis. we know that the problem is a chemistry problem, economic problem and political problem. and we have the ability to solve those problems in terms of the chemistry and the policy that we have not yet mustered the political will to make it happen and that is why it's so important that there's leaders like myself and so many of the new young leaders that are in

congress serving at the legislation that are out there fighting every single day to get meaningful legislation passed. now, with respect to what happens next in congress, we have to get the build back better act passed it is the best opportunity that we had in the immediate future to solve the climate crisis it makes the largest single investment in climate change our country has ever made in over half a trillion dollars. and really place to address this problem in a multi faceted and more sectoral way. so we have to get this across the finish line. and then we have to double down and help support our communities, or lift up those community base solution so that we could combat climate change on the ground. >> let's talk about build back better for a moment. as you just mentioned, it's a major part of president biden's effort to combat the climate crisis. that legislation is back to the negotiation table as you know. after senator manchin pulled his -- realistically speaking, what is

some of the nonnegotiable items that you have for that bill? and do you think democrats could get it done as they approach it from a different ways such as, breaking up the items in that bill and pass are the stand-alone. is that the approach that you could see some action on climate change? well, i believe that we actually -- we could get something done. i will say that unequivocal-y. many of the social provisions across the finish line, we have to use the reconciliation process because we don't have 60 votes in the senate to get meaningful climate legislation across the finish line right now. so, what is nonnegotiable in the package is that we whittle it down to something that doesn't actually address the problems. and that is addressing our carbon footprint, empowering our communities to actually build more resilient future and investing in those fundamentals that we need so that our communities - can plan for a more water resilient future. they can address wildfire, we

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claims he is advocating on behalf of, he has a pretty good shot at winning due to the courts current superconservative makeup. and if he does so, he'll be successful at not only changing the way all students in america access higher education, but also driving a wedge between minority communities in this country. bloom is effectively using the married -- to mask up anti black and anti latino agendas. we'll have more after the break. agendas agendas we'll break. these moments may not seem remarkable. but at pfizer, protecting the regular routine, and everyday drives us to reach for exceptional. working to impact hundreds of millions of lives... young and old. it's what we call, the pursuit of normal. ♪ ♪

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are cautioning against the race constant admission policy with the rise in anti asian hate one scholar told nbc news reporter, kim young that it's all actually part of a conservative strategy quote, they weaponized concerns about anti asian attacks and violence against other minorities. this is an all tactic in white supremacy playbook. it should not be allowed to succeed. great to have you, we heightened the awareness now on the rise in anti asian hate crimes that began at the start of the pandemic. but some people are taking advantage of something to make a bad faith argument on behalf of asian americans. doesn't that take away from something very real that deserves our attention and action? >> yes absolutely the thing, as with affirmative action, it's one of the most misunderstood topics when it comes to asian america. as you pointed out before, asian americans are really

portrayed as the biggest opponents of affirmative action, when in reality there's really a 70% support for affirmative action. but of, course we are seeing, especially new york city alone, we've seen a 361% increase. and hate crimes against asian americans in 2021 compared to 2020 so it's a very real issue that asian americans are dealing with there's a great deal affair in the community. and there's a lot of dignity around public safety and experts are committed damning disinflation against two different topics because one is a very real threat to the asian american community. and the other is a policy that's actually expanded educational opportunities to marginalize groups including asian americans. and as you pointed out before, we are dealing with the conservative majority on the supreme court. this is the first meaningful challenge i think, in, decades to race conscious admissions. so everything is kind of at stake here. experts are really saying to

complete these two things is not only dishonest, but at this, time it's very dangerous to call on asian hate in the violence against asian americans that has really yet to be, you know, remedied at this point yes, let's look at one of the lawsuits here in particular, this is the case against harvard. they're accused against discriminating against asian american students by using a subjective standard to gauge traits of likability, courage and kindness. which it's credits say, effectively created a ceiling for them in admissions. the national council issue this. it doesn't seem like there's a clear cut answer here. what is your take on this? >> asian americans former harvard students actually testified on behalf of harvard

saying that -- because it was a part of something that was really important in both their education and their lives. so holistically, if they're looking at admissions, and they're looking at these applications, it was actually a great benefit to them. the other thing about affirmative action in this issue when we're talking about asian americans, is that i think that there is kind of this tendency to look at asian americans as a monolith. when in reality they vary in degrees of power and privilege and opportunity, so there are groups that, you know, really do benefit from affirmative action. one of which would be southeast asians who they have about a 30% of the group has not completed a high school education or has obtained a j.d.. and that is in comparison to roughly about 30% of the

general population. so, experts are really saying, you know there are groups with an asian america who really need better access to higher education and something like affirmative action could help them. it doesn't hurt them. >> do you believe that the asian american community here is being used as pawns? because the man behind these two cases, as we mentioned, is edward bloom he's. a conservative activists with -- i mention, and you know this as, well that you have 70% of asian americans who support affirmative action, so it seems to me at least that he's just using the asian american community as pawns to achieve his own personal objective. >> yes, aymen, this is a tactic that has been used in the past. when we are even talking about this concept of the model minority something like this was actually used against world war ii after the force in conservation of japanese americans. why politicians would uplift

stories of japanese american success to. not only a resistance at the past but also squash the growing civil rights movement. so when we look at what's happening now a lot of experts say that it's a repetition of something that happened before we see the playbook and this is something that is very familiar. using asian americans as a wedge to further, you know, other agenda and squash that of marginalized communities is not something new whatsoever. >> and finally, let me just ask, you if affirmative action is struck down by this conservative court next year obviously it will impact black students are african-american students. it will certainly affect latino students. how will that affect the asian community and hired occasion as well? >> yes, there's actually a lot of research that said that without affirmative action policies, there is a good chunk of asian americans, i think it's around 20% would not have

gotten into these elite private schools with just their test scores so asian americans could definitely be impacted as well. and when we say race conscious admission it really is the consideration for any part of this process, you know a lot of people are thinking it's just admission but it's race in education so we're talking about ethnic studies we are talking about something that is much bigger than what we are even seeing today. >> yes, that's a really good point. i'm glad that you highlighted that kimmy yam, thank you for helping us put a spotlight on this. it's a case that we will be watching very closely next. here next, in tonight's addition of that's what they said. one democratic lawmaker is mad as hell and he is not going to take it anymore. stay with us going to take it anymore. take it anymore. stayn performance. more brain performance? yes, please!

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