sound recordings they use to fuel often billion-dollar businesses. we're counting on you to make this right and though, life isn't fair and we can't change that, the payment of music royalties should be because that's what respect is all about. >> gloria estefan saying it's time for the industry to change. see you back here tomorrow but you can catch me on "american voices" at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "the reidout" is up next. >> the publicist for all shows. your show is fantastic. gloria estefan is the bomb. she doesn't just do the conga, she's about the important things. love her. >> love her so much. thank you, joy. >> she's amazing. cheers, good night. happy ground hog day. phil saw his shadow so six more weeks ahead.

a longer winter will have us cozied up on the coach, hopefully watching "the reidout," there is the investigation into the failed attempt to over throw our democracy and the disgraced former president that led that effort. today the committee heard from stewart rhodes, charged with seditious conspiracy. rhodes pleaded the fifth to questions related to the attack his lawyer told nbc news and met with jeffrey clark who tried to nullify the election results in georgia and other states. remember, clark actually appeared before the committee back in november but failed to cooperate after asserting claims of privilege to avoid answering questions and last night, we told you about "the new york times" reporting on the efforts by donald trump and advisors to use the authority of the federal government to seize voting machines after the 2020 election. well, now, the january 6th

committee is adding that to the list of things to examine according to "the times." the committee received documents from the trump white house including what court filings described, security of the 2020 election after it occurred and ordering various actions. those documents are just a few of the more than 700 pages the committee obtain that trump tried to keep hidden. the committee received more than 60,000 pages of record and heard from more than 475 witnesses. according to committee member jamie raskin, they expect to add ivanka trump to the witness list this week but that has yet to be confirmed. joining me now is former senator claire mccaskill and former federal prosecutor. thank you both for being here. so there is a lot that is going on right now, claire, that has to do with donald trump admitting to his crimes. let's put it that way. including what does seem to be

efforts to i guess you can't call it anything than buy off witnesses with promises of various things including pardons. donald trump according to politico considered blanket pardons for the january 6th attack according to two people with direct knowledge. one advisor said some people think i should pardon him. he thought if he could do it, these people would never have to testify or be deposed. i'd love each of you to comment on that. claire, to start with you, there was a lot of republican reaction to this idea of pardons. lindsey graham said bad idea. trump of course called them a shmuck or a rhino and mitch mcconnell said bad idea. but i suspect that these republicans saying it was a bad idea is probably meaningless. it's like susan collins having concerns but what do you make of the fact that they felt the need to come out and say not a good idea? >> pretty clear trump is ready to burn the whole thing down. he's said that he wanted pence

to overturn the election in plain english. he has done things repeatedly that shows his disdain and frankly disgust with the rule of law. whenever he says some people think, that always means it's just him. that's a phrase he uses quite frequently. one of the things i'm really worried about is we have to back this truck up and look, what is the purpose of the 1/6 committee? what are they trying to accomplish? they're trying to uncover evidence for two purposes, to educate the american people and to provide evidence to law enforcement. they are gathering that evidence that the clock is ticking and they have to turn in the not too distant future and here is what i'm really worried about. i have sleepless nights about this. we have 30% of america that will never believe a word they say. we have 30% of america that know how bad trump is, know what he

tried to do, know that he should be held criminally responsible. there is 40% of america and you know what they're doing now? they're worried about the price of groceries and gas and tuned this out. so this committee has to figure out how to communicate with them. how they get this information to them plainly and cleanly with passion and with urgency and that really needs to be the next thing up because they've got an awful lot of evidence now and they could keep gathering evidence from now until december. but really they only got about 90 days to really begin in earnest educating the american people about what really went on, what trump did and maybe more importantly what he failed to do. >> glenn, what educates people more than anything is sometimes a prosecution. the department of justice is busy looking at, you know, the attorney in baltimore buying houses. they spent a lot of time looking at that stuff but on this, you know, in that second third of

people that claire described, all of the republicans in capitol hill are in that third. they know what trump did was wrong. mitch mcconnell know what he did was wrong. they hope to benefit from the things that he did and the conditioning of the base of the republican party to not care about crime as long as they get trump back and as long as they get to rule. they know it's wrong. they want to benefit from it. the problem is, i think that claire's point no matter what this committee ultimately says, the republicans with power are just going to ignore it, try to throw it out and say we don't care. we want to use trump for power for ourselves. so to me, this leads right back to the doj's doorstep because seditious conspiracy, trump said they won't have to testify against me if i pardon them. how does he not face the charges like stewart rhodes? >> we have ample evidence to charge donald trump well beyond reason -- probable cause, which is the standard to arrest and indict. i maintain based on the public

reporting, we have proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the mother of all burdens of proof and yes, i would love to see really captivating, public hearings put on by congress by the house select committee but i really want to see all of this evidence tested in the public criminal trial because whether that changes minds or not is almost beside the point. if we have high government officials who abuse their authority and committed crimes against the united states, federal crimes, they need to be held accountable and the dangling of pardons to domestic terrorists, j 6 defendants is the latest example. can we charge that criminally? we can probably roll it into a speaking indictment, a narrative of a conspiracy to commit crimes against the united states, a 371 conspiracy but let me take on the danglings of conspiracy. some might accuse me of wanting to find crimes around every rock and corner. when he says if i'm elected, if

i become president, i will consider giving pardons to the j 6 defendants treated unfairly. i don't know that that can directly be charged as obstructing justice because of its conditional nature. i don't know that it can directly be charged as witness tampering again because of it conditional nature but i went and i reread the insurrection statute and it says if you engage in insurrection or provide aid or comfort to those who do, i think those statements by donald trump may make an appearance in court in the insurrection cases and give aid and comfort to the insurrectionists. i think there is a viable legal argument that donald trump by dangling pardons to those domestic terrorists actually gave aid and comfort to the insurrectionists. >> to the point, you know, you're a former prosecutor yourself, claire. a grand jury in this case does not seem unreasonable in a situation where donald trump is

admitting he did it. we have written evidence there are multiple people saying this is how you overturn the election. he's put out a public statement should have overturned the election. he wanted to seize voting machines, went to three different agencies including the pentagon to say seize voting machines. i don't know what else he has to do to walk up to merrick garland and say i tried to steal the election. i don't know what else you get. the benefit of charging him is that that second set, those republicans who know it was wrong, they don't want to face trump again. some want to be president. the way to stop that is if he gets convicted of seditios conspiracy. if so he's ineligible to run for office like madison. is that the only way to get those republicans to react to crimes? >> there is certainly an argument that can be made but keep in mind, we have a department of justice that has been taking weeks to figure out

that someone can just not show up to congress, not show up, we're talking about mark meadows. you can talk about him being chief of staff and executive privilege but he didn't bother to show up. they didn't made a decision on that. i don't have faith in the feds to go quickly or efficiently. i do know this, that the operative word of what you said was convict. and, you know, that is -- i mean, as a former prosecutor and i think glenn will back me up here, when i got a case and got the evidence to file, of course, i had to be confident of the guilt of the defendant. of course, i had to make sure there was sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt but the other consideration was what will the jury think? will i be able to overcome jury nullification? this has to be unanimous.

i'm envisioning a prosecution if a federal prosecution, no way it's heard before november. no way. so you have trump the martyr saying that oh, look, they're coming after me and that might even help him with some of the people out there that right now are worried about the price of groceries and gas. so that's why i'm saying get the evidence, present the evidence to the american people and put pressure on law enforcement to do the right thing here. but this is not a walk in the park to get a conviction. it will be hard because america is very divided and it's going to be very hard to make sure juries aren't divided. >> and that's the thing, glenn. trump will try to voir dire an all white jury to keep the black people off the jury. it's clear what he would do. what is your response to that, that a prosecution or inpanelling a grand jury -- i'm not a lawyer. it does seem logical to begin the process. the doj is complete status on this. it alarms me because we don't have very many road blocks left

to try to save our democracy from this man and his party because they're all willing to go along with it. all of them. mitch mcconnell. lindsey graham. he will take the need to trump, as well. all of them will. so i don't know what else to do other than for the doj to step up. your thoughts? >> we can't win the case we don't bring and i agree with claire. we don't want to bring a bare probable cause case. we could have stapled volume two of the mueller report to an application for an arrest warrant on as many as ten counts of federal felony obstruction of justice and ten federal judges out of ten would have signed that arrest warrant. i will also say as a former career fed, the determination of the feds to try to investigate things exhaustively and to perfection is well-known but when public safety is at risk and when democracy hangs in the balance, once you have probable

cause plus and you decline to bring a prosecution, you're endangering the community. i had to make those decisions all the time as chief of homicide when investigating covertly, which i believe the department of justice is doing. they can be investigating without issuing grand jury subpoenas that. if we are investigating covertly the moment we have probable cause do we keep this covert or do we do it takedown arrest people, protect the community and build through superseding indictments. i fear that the doj has miscalculate the danger to our democracy and the anxiety being suffered by the american people because they see high government officials who have committed crime going unpunished. >> yeah and it's sending a message to the future donald trumps who may be even worse than him, believe it or no that you can get away with it, that you can literally try to over

throw our democracy and reverse an election and try to get the pentagon and military to help you and there will be no consequences. god help us when an intelligent donald trump takes office. i fear that. breathing. claire mccaskill, glenn kershner, thank you. the explosive lawsuit against the nfl and what i reveals about a culture brian flores compares to a plantation. whoopi goldberg and her comments about race and the holocaust. that could have been less about punishment and more about a teachable moment. these monsters are directing cartoonish rage at children. "the reidout" continues after this. at children. "the reidout" coinntues after "the reidout" coinntues after this ...chronic kidney disease. you can already have it and not know it. if you have chronic kidney disease... ...your kidney health...

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problem from a hiring standpoint in regards to minority coaches in the national football league. we filed the lawsuit so that we could create change and that's important to me. we're at a fork in the road right now. >> former miami dolphins head coach brian flores is joining former quarterback colin kaepernick stating the obvious about the nfl's problems with racial discrimination. speaking out following the blockbuster lawsuit tuesday against the nfl and three of its teams alleging racial discrimination in hiring practices. the dolphins fired flores last month despite two winning seasons, flores claims discrimination is a factor in the firing the dolphins denied. there is one, one black head coach. pittsburgh mike tomlin among the nfl's 32 teams, 32 teams that profit from a labor force that is nearly 60% black. flores' class-action lawsuit takes aim specifically at the rooney rule requiring teams to interview minority candidates for top vacancies alleging he's endured several interviews just

to satisfy that requirement including last week with the new york giants. three days before the job interview, flores received an accidental congratulations text message from his former boss, patriots coach bill belichick on landing the job. the text was apparently intended for a different brian, brian daboll the team settled on for the new head coach. flores called the episode humiliaing and the giants insist they interviewed him in good faith and nearly hired him. for its part, the nfl says it will fight. the league toted the deep commitment to equatable employment practices adding that diversity is core to everything we do, don't laugh, and calling flores' claims without merit call for investigation. the nfl is under impression slapping end racism in the end zone and getting jay-z to produce a hip-hop super bowl halftime show signify as coe -- commitment.

today flores acknowledged his lawsuit could similarly end his career in coaching. >> i understand the risk and yes, it was a difficult decision and i went back and forth and like i said, i love coaching. i do. but this is bigger than that. >> joining me now is hugh jackson an 18-year veteran coach and most recently the coach of the cleveland browns and now at a university and now a newly minted special concon -- correspondent. you've been in this position before, coach. brian flores is saying they offered him $100,000 if he would lose and i know this is something you were quite familiar with yourself because you have made very similar allegations. talk about this idea of paying a

team to lose and creating, like, you know plans over certain period of time to have loss after loss after loss after loss. >> really appreciate you said creating a plan because that's really what it was. i don't want anyone to think anybody offered me money for every game to go lose. what i was brought into was a four-year plan, a structure that talked about being the youngest team in the league, talked about the number of draft picks and talked about a different number of categories that we would get paid for and none of them talked about winning. winning was in year three and four and coaches, as coaches, when you talk about ownest structure and this was seen as a bonus plan, that bonus plan wasn't presented to me until i was on the job for a month and a half. the bonus plan was not structurally finished until june and when i really looked at it,

i really didn't understand it because as a coach, it winning and losing. there is really nothing else we can be compensated for. and that we want to be compensated for. so as i started to look at my team, as we started playing the preseason last year at cincinnati in 2015 i was football's offensive. i know what good foot ball looks like. i knew we didn't have a good team. the difference with me when people talk about tanking, there is different forms of tanking. there is a situation to lose but there is tanking when you build a team where you don't have enough talent to compete at the highest level so you can win. >> yeah. >> and to me that's a different animal and you put a minority coach out in front of it and there is only a one-year history that's a problem solved and the narrative is the coach can't coach. >> that's right. >> and you fight these things as a coach but the money that was

given to everybody at the end of the year based on whatever those percentages was was for obviously, working within that structure and i was told this is something that kept for the group collaborative. i fought against it. i told the owner i'm not interested in extra money. i thought it paid well enough. i took that money and acquired better players. >> that's the whole point. angela, this is league i grew up an obsessive football fan. i got out of it because over time i couldn't lover the game as much. this say league that used to be about 70% of the players were black, it's now down 60%. fewer parents are letting kids play because of head injuries. just the treatment of black people. how can you possibly have a league with 70% black players and only come up with three or four people that could be ahead

coach? where are the people in management? your thoughts? >> joy, we have to ask the question where are the opportunities but before we do that, way. finally have the opportunity to have a real income to help support their families. many of us know there are too many students supporting their families off scholarship money. kudos to you. thank you for making black history and therefore american history and joy -- >> amen. >> -- to your question, we have to acknowledge the nfl's pipeline is broken. coach flores and his lawsuit making black history and our good friend sister erin cited all the sisters, he hits head on

in the injunctiontive portion of the lawsuit in the civil rights 1866, saying it is prohibited to discriminate based on race as it relates to employment contracts. in theinjunctive relief part, he says players need to be involved in the hiring process and there needs to be a diversity that can weigh in whether or not a coach is hired, offensive or defensive coach is hired or gm and that is where the rubber meets the road. we know the nfl has traditionally been known as a good ol' boys network and whoever doesn't march to the beat of the drum doesn't have a pathway. we're watching brian flores interview today calm, collected, cool, this is the same person they want us to believe is an angry black man? right? those labels you carry with you despite their truth or not, right? and that is the real issue. when you have folks that look like you in decision making

positions whether running the field or sweet positions, that's what has to be done. the culture has to change and people in positions of power to make decisions also have to change. >> amen to that. coach, it is a situation where, you know, i wonder when you were coaching in the nfl, was there discouragement to speak out on black issues? colin kaepernick is excel -- expelled from the league. he remembers the colin kaepernick decisions and the idea players were nealing at the support of social justice. i haven't seen the same outrage from people of influence when the conversation turns to ahmaud arbery, breonna taylor george floyd. it feels like the nfl is disingenuous. they don't want to invest the money and talent to allow people to thrive and it seems like he's not really popular for being that guy who speaks out on racial justice. >> well, it seems that way.

i hope this is not just about racial justice. i'm talking about this situation because there are so many different areas that brian touched but obviously, let's be honest. we've been very transparent. there is a problem in the national football league with minority hiring practices. >> absolutely. >> only 19 but the thing that's changing and i hope everybody can recognize it, i think the goalpost is starting to move again. i think we can see there is more minority gms than coaches right now and we got to look and see if they're coming from harvard and colombia and that's great. that's great. so it says to me we don't want the real coaches no more. we are in the political world and the guys that work hard and have their own algorithm, they don't matter anymore. that's very interesting. >> last word to you, angela. do you think he winds up ever coaching again and if he doesn't, does that add to his

legal, you know, the power of his lawsuit? >> well, perhaps, joy. i hope they tick a real look at what he's suggesting in the injunctiontive relief. they are more than reasonable. if they're willing to do some of that, there are absolutely going to be folks on the hiring committees and owners. there is not one black owner in the league. when that changes, brian flores' opportunity change and so does colin kaepernicks. they will make a dent in what needs to change. >> amen. hue jackson, let us know if you join the class-action lawsuit or get involved. angela you'll have me watching espn. i'll watch it again because you're there. >> watch it again. >> i'm going to watch you. we love jamel and i'll watch her new thing, too. there are so many things for me to get in on. thank you, sister. coming up, abc suspends whoopi goldberg for her recent remarks on race and the hole cast. did the network miss out on a

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last night abc news suspended whoopi goldberg for two weeks from "the view" a day after discussion about a tennessee school board banning the graphic novel "mouse." here is what she said. >> if you're going to do this, then let's be truthful about it. the holocaust isn't about race. it's not about race. it's not about race. >> what is it about? >> it's about man's inhumanity to man. >> hours after those comments, goldberg apologized saying she misspoke and apologized again the following day. jonathan joined whoopi and other "view" host to explain how her comments were inaccurate and harmful. >> you see, hitler's ideology that it was predicated on the

idea that the arians, the germans were a master race and the jews were a subhuman race, it was a racialized anti-semitism. that might not fit exactly or feel different than the way we think about race in the 21st century america where primarily about people of color but throughout the jewish people's history, they have been marginalized, they have been persecuted, they have been slaughtered in large part because many people felt they were not just a different religion but indeed a different race. >> on tuesday night he warned about unfairly condemning goldberg over the comments saying i don't believe in cancel culture, we need counsel culture. joining me is rosenburg, contributing writer of "the atlantic." thank you both for being here. mr. rosenburg, so here is abc news, this is her statement.

she's named kim goodwin. she wrote while whoopi apologized, i asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments. the entire abc news organization stands in solidarity with our jewish friends, family and colleagues. what do you make of this situation and if you, you know, were the king of the world, do you think suspending her was the right move? >> what i think abc did here is what we increasingly do when a public figure or even someone in our lives messes up, makes a mistake like this. even when they apologize, there is a sense there needs to be consequences and we need to punish someone or it doesn't count. we don't just accept an apology and say we hope this person will change and grow. if i was king of the world, i would change that not just here but almost every situation that we do that. i think that it's important there be consequences and that

there be accountability but as a society especially, social media with screen shots and reducing people to the worst moments in tweets, we sort of become this society that doesn't allow a path for people to grow or change or apologize. and whoopi apologized on air. and she understood what she said was incorrect and led to this great conversation where people are learning things they otherwise wouldn't have learned and wouldn't that be a better conversation on "the view" than take whoopi off the view and stop the conversation. that's more of what i'd like to see. >> i think a lot of people felt like it wasn't so much the on air on the view but what she went on to say when she went on the stephen colbert show. let me play that real quick. >> i thought we were having a discussion because i feel being black when we talk about race, it's a very different thing to me. so i said that i felt that the holocaust wasn't about race and

people got very, very, very angry and still are. but i thought it was a salient discussion because as a black person, i think of race as being something i can see. so i see you and i know what race you are, and the discussion was about how i felt about that. i felt that it was really more about man's inhumanity to man. >> real quickly, mr. rosenburg, do you think that made it worse or what do you think of that? >> so i think that there was elsewhere in that same segment she said this was about white people attacking other white people and that was particularly aligned that troubled a lot of jewish people because in the european conception of race, the nazis were the master race and the jews were a lower race and they did not consider themselves of the same race at all and it wasn't like the same people, they all look the same.

it was a whoopi was understandably projecting american conceptions of race to european conceptions of race and that is problem as a historical point but because today, imagine jews in the synagogues and many of us look white but the premises of them coming around and shooting us. why does that happen? the consensus is different. if we fail to understand this, we fail to recognize anti-semitism and be able to stop it. so that's why i think it troubled people but i think again, like i said before, she then after the colbert segment apologized the next morning and had that conversation and i think that things go in the right direction we have this conversation and recognize that jews are 2% of the american population. most people haven't met us. they have a lot of stereo types about us and the way you learn about this is by talking to us and having this conversation. i'd much rather see more of that. >> chris, let's get to the tv of it. there is a lot to pack in. number one, was there a publicist involved in doing the

second interview that night? i'm curious about that. can you take us inside a little bit? how did her -- do you know how the fellow cast mates on "the view" reacted to it and as a media enterprise, media world story, what do you make of this? >> i mean, one, i think that she should not have gone on the colbert show because it wasn't really thought out. i feel like she should have saved it for the next morning to do something a bit more produced, a bit more thoughtful and had the co-sign of her bosses at abc news. i think that the table, if you look at the table, this is so much learning that can happen at "the view." you think what "the view" was meant to be. it wasn't always under abc news. it was under abc news in 2014 and that show is a place that has lively discourse and widely debate and wide questions to learn from each other. i feel like when you remove someone to try to suspend them, you take away the chance to

learn. oprah on her best days, her talk show was a classroom and i think on "the view," some days you're a teacher and some days you're a student. if you suspend someone, they go out of class and learn. whoopi going there and go back, get schooled by a panelist. one of them, sunny hostin, her grandfather is a jews and someone i believe could school whoopi throughout this week if she was on the air about the nuances of the jewish culture. >> i was yesterday old when i found out "the view" had shifted under abc news. is that typical for daytime talk shows? are they typically under the news umbrella and i mean, what was the source of that? yeah, i think it's different when it's news versus entertainment world. >> yeah, from what i understand, i believe in 2014 the ratings at "the view" weren't on the upswing and abc news, the show

was being shot already in new york and abc news knew how to do great tv and the ratings have skyrocketed. "the view" has become a news source where you see more politics and a lot less lifestyle but whoopi goldberg got on that show in 2007. she's been in the chair for a long time and there when the show was more lifestyle, more entertainment and whoopi is not a reporter, she's not a journalist. we know her to be a comedian. what she said was not funny. she deserves to have been disciplined and learn from this but i think she should be back in the chair able to learn and be around her co-hosts for conversations. >> i ran out of time. i have to bring you back, chris, to talk about the whole cnn situation. that's the other tea i needed but i'll text you and get that later. >> i could write a memoir, okay? >> don't write a memoir. come on here and then write the memoir. thank you very much. >> chris witherspoon, thank you very much. stick around because tonight's absolute worst is coming up next but before we go to break, i want to thank the

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punish educators, school districts and even libraries for offering books or curriculum that conservatives aren't happy with. oklahoma a bill sets a $10,000 bounty to be collected by parents for each day a challenged book remains on library shelves. what's up with republican legislatures and bounties? these are frightening times. a war against books is a war against knowledge. the deiberate eraser of anyone that's not white, straight and christian. last night on the first day of black history month, we talked about the dangers of this movement rooted in anti blackness and the bans are designed to erase the lgbtq and trans experience with titles like these on the chopping block. there are also other states, dozens where bans are happening on the school board level. race and sexuality are disappearing from texas schools in record numbers. in mississippi, a mayor is withholding more than $100,000 from his city's library because

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solving the underlying problem. the underlying problem is that students aren't feeling safe at school. they aren't feeling comfortable at school. and that is why a large amount of kids have higher suicidal rates because they don't feel loved. they don't feel safe in their schools. >> students are speaking out against a bill in florida that could for bid the discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity in schools. and encourage parents to sue schools or teachers that engage in these topics. opponents have dubbed it, they don't say gay bill. joining me now, is brandon -- and post -- it is always good to see you, but unfortunately, when i see you it's usually to talk about something that is just usually horrific that is happening in the state of florida, mostly from the governor there. so, you yourself are somebody who has survived a gun violence.

someone else who did, whose daughter was killed in the parkland shootings, tweeted this. four years ago, my beautiful daughter was murdered by a student with an ar-15. she was likely reading a book. four years later, the florida legislature is working on banning books to try to make it easier to get guns. less books, more active shooter drills. -- -- you are literally going to -- he says here, you are purposely making a state law harder -- for lgbtq kids harder to -- fiercely considered attempting suicide last year. now, they can't even talk to their teachers. i will just let you talk. >> you laid it out. this is the worst kept secret in florida, that desantis really wants to run for president in 2024, but he hears footsteps down the hall behind him and that is from another

self obsessed political mercenary by the name of donald trump and so, he has cooked up the slate of bills. the culture war issues -- in order to help him outflank trump to the right. and ultimately, give the state government license to police us everywhere, whether it's bathrooms or doctors offices or even in our own private workplaces. and all of this happens while actual issues in florida go unaddressed. let's talk about the fact that rand in florida went up 29% in 2021. let's talk about the fact that -- corrupt corporations, bought and paid for election cycles last season. but while these things are nothing more than just political chess pieces to people like governor ron desantis, as you mentioned, the impacts aren't real people. people trying to access health care in the middle of a deadly pandemic. the impacts are on families and educators, who are going to be forced to hide in the cross it to avoid a law suit from a

bounty hunter a -- abortion ban -- in their doctors offices. and, as -- the impacts are on lgbtq young people who are already four times as likely to attempt suicide before they graduate high school. the truth is that desantis as an amateur dictator, trying desperately to beat trump at his own game. but -- are the ones playing the price. and as floridians like us -- >> you know, and i'm glad you said the word dictator because there is a strong authoritarian streak to desantis, much like his come's and in palm beach. the idea that you will have, basically, parents reporting on each other which is similar to what you had in virginia. people collecting bounties -- these states are passing laws that are essentially creating an old soviet union vibe in this country. the point of it is to say, you may not talk about race. they have said that very clearly. but they're really zeroing in on a lot of these laws on

saying, you cannot talk about being gay, you definitely can't be trans and play sports. you should just hide and not exist. that feels to me like, sort of 70s soviet union. >> yeah, i'm calling at the surveillance state. where the democratic -- and governor ron desantis likes to talk about florida being a free state, but the truth is, you are free in florida. free to do as you are told, when you are told to do it. you are free if you are, as you pointed out, a cisgender, heterosexual white man in a position of power. all of these bills are designed to target marginalized people, to drive wedges between floridians, to rile up an extremist white right-wing base so that governor ron desantis cannot only slide into reelection in 2022, but can elevate himself to the top of the presidential ticket in 2024. and the real shame of it all is that it's the most marginalized people who are impacted. it's the people who need us

right now. it's the people who should be affirmed and celebrated and uplifted so that they have a shot to be the best version of themselves and instead, we have a governor in rhonda santas and republican leadership underneath him, that are using people like us as political pawns to help reach their next destination. >> and can you just tell -- what does it mean to be in a state where a governor is doing this, and at the same time they are doing making it easier for young people to make there -- >> it is absolutely terrifying. and for me, that is the most agree just and insulting part of the don't say gable. the bill is very simple. it says that there could be no discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity and schools. my question is, does not mean that the lives in the legacies of the best friends that i had who are murdered on a dance floor -- are no longer allowed to be discussed and celebrated in a classroom? that is deeply offensive. and it tombs us to repeat the

mistakes that we have made throughout our history. the only way that we can make this country a better place if we are honest about who we are, who we have been, and where we are going. helping -- isn't going to make this country great. >> i can still remember when my seventh grader came home and talked about his teacher having his husbands picture on the desk at school. and him being like, he introduced us to his has been that way. it's not illegal now in florida? i don't even know. will he get in trouble? it's wild. brayden wulf, thank you very much. appreciate you. right now, a special guest -- tonight on "all in". >> this is bigger than football. this is about equal opportunity for qualified black candidates, not just in football but everywhere. >> he is a fired head