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the raid, the reaction, the new reality with the pentagon confirming what they're calling a significant blow to the isis terror network. that overnight strike by u.s. special forces killing the leader of the group. we're live at the pentagon with new details, and at the white house with the latest. plus, the other military front, u.s. forces now in the air to eastern europe. look at this. nbc news there as they start heading out to help deter war between russia and ukraine with our new reporting coming in on a false flag plan apparently by the kremlin to try to justify some kind of invasion. we've got the head of the senate foreign relations committee. senator bob menendez here to talk about all of it.
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along with the coordinator in africa. brett mcgurk, both interviews live this hour. and president biden in new york city meeting with state and local leaders on gun violence, and exclusive nbc reporting as we're coming on the air. the chunk of change the president is throwing out to prevent a breakdown. i'm hallie jackson. courtney is at the pentagon, and kristen welker is at the white house. there have been a lot of new details since early this morning when we heard about this strike, when we heard about this raid. so let's talk about the timeline here because we have new pieces of that. at first, we know it was about a two-hour mission, months in the making according to spokesperson for the pentagon, john kirby, and once u.s. special operations forces arrived, they secured and isolated the compound. they got on their bull horns and they were asking people inside to get out. not too long after that, the isis leader sit off a bomb on
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the third floor, and then a bun fight started between the isis fighters that were left. the u.s. did secure the site after that, and then near the end of the operation, officials say more hostile fighters approached. special forces engaged and two of the terrorists were killed. at some point, we also know a helicopter involved had a drive train malfunction, and it was assessed it was no long every operational and it was detonated. let me come to you because you can fill in more of the blanks here, and what else are you hearing from your sources at the pentagon about this operation? >> reporter: that's right. you have hit a lot of the important points here. this is something that's been months in the making, president biden giving the pentagon the go ahead to move forward with this oerngs on tuesday of this week in an oval office meeting. meeting with his leaders down at central command in tampa. they watched it happen in realtime. this was very -- you may remember a lot about the raid to kill osama bin laden.
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there's a lot of similarities here. helicopters moving in, and set down several kilometers away from this building and they moved forward on foot, and they got here and pulled out some bull horns and tried to convince the people inside to come out. several civilians did, but before the u.s. military could even get inside the building, there was a massive explosion on the third floor. we now know that that was a detonation by the isis leader abu al qurayshi. he was killed along with his wife and two children. we also now know that there was one of his lieutenants or deputies, someone who served closely with him was on the second floor, also killed in an ensuing fight with the u.s. military. as you said, they were on the ground there for two hours. that might seem like a long time for our viewers. part of that is for what the military calls the site exploitation. they go in, see if they can find anything that they can use to help develop a better picture about isis, and about the leader. it also was because though, they
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had this helicopter we mentioned. they had to detonate it on site, but the military, the pentagon calling this a successful operation, and they took out the head of isis. >> one of the things we've just heard in the last couple of had minutes here is from the iraqi military saying it was actually their intelligence that helped, in essence, pinpoint the location of al qurayshi here. >> yeah, and that may remind people of the al baghdadi raid only a little over two years ago that installed al qurayshi to be the head of isis. there was also joint military intelligence shared between the united states and the iraqis for that raid to be carried out. >> you heard courtney lay out some of the similarities right at the top there between the bin laden raid and what happened here. what's interesting though, is some of the differences too because when joe biden was then vice president under then-president obama, there was
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reported hesitation he had about doing a raid like this that was seen as riskier. obviously president biden has evolved in his thinking on that front, and felt more comfortable ordering the strike to go ahead as he did this week. >> reporter: it's a good point, hallie, and i think that the timeline that we have for the extent to which he was being briefed on this operation underscores not only the ship that you are talking about, but why he may have been confident moving forward with what is a riskier way to go about taking out the leader of isis. so we are told that commanders first brought him the details of this plan in early december. there was even a tabletop model of the warehouse, that building where they believed the isis leader to be housed, and he was kept up to date on the details throughout, and it was only when, hallie, he became confident we are told, in the location of the isis leader, that they could pinpoint this leader, and civilian casualties could be minimized and he felt
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comfortable enough to organize this raid. here's what president biden said earlier today. >> this operation is testament to america's reach and capability to take out terrorist threats no matter where they try to hide anywhere in the world. last night's operation took a major terrorist leader off the battlefield, and it sent a strong message to terrorists around the world. we will come after you and find you. >> as courtney has been tracking throughout the day, the top pentagon spokesperson, john kirby, was asked about the fact that the top isis leader was taken off the battlefield. what is the significance of that, and he was quite clear. he said, look. we are not celebrating. at the same time, it is significant. it's setback, but if you talk to military experts, they say that the administration clearly still needs to stay on top of this, and still needs to keep the pressure on this.
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>> yeah. >> all of this comes against the backdrop of, remember, the president being under a lot of scrutiny over the summer for the withdrawal from afghanistan. he's now embroiled as you mentioned, in a new crisis with russia threatening to invade ukraine. you have a moment where the administration and the pentagon specifically say this was an operational success as you just heard from courtney. >> kristen welker and courtney kube, thank you both for your work. you heard kristen mention what's happening along the ukrainian border. it's volatile, and you have the administration confirming the u.s. has this intelligence about this russian plan, essentially a false flag plan to make up a pretext for an invasion of ukraine. we heard this from john kirby just a minute ago. watch. >> we believe that russia would produce a very graphic propaganda video which would include corpses and actors that would be depicting mourners, and images of destroyed locations as
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well as military equipment at the hands of ukraine. >> this new intelligence is coming as the first u.s. troops from fort bragg deploy to eastern europe, and we get to cal perry b you ken, let's me talk to you. this piece of intel we're getting, this is as you just heard from john kirby, this was an elaborate plan. this was, like, the russian hollywood version of a false flag operation, and what's interesting is the administration is being very explicit, very on the record about saying, yeah. we know that this was happening. we're going to put it out there publicly, russia. it's a message intended for vladimir putin. >> that's right, hallie. it is an extraordinary step they took to declassify this intelligence about what they say is a plot to provide a pretext to invade ukraine, and, you know, they say it was incredibly elaborate that the russians wither going to release a video that was going to suggest that there was a genocide taking
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place against russian speakers in ukraine, and it was even going to include corpses, and, you know, staged explosions, and fake ukrainian military equipment. just a remarkable, elaborate plot. obviously the u.s. is releasing this to thwart the use of this as a pretext, and this is really the third intelligence stump that we've seen along these lines, hallie. last month the british released information what they said was a plot for russia to go in and install a pro-russian government in kyiv, and that was u.s. intelligence they released, and another pretext. we're seeing -- this is unusual, this strategy of releasing and declassifying u.s. intelligence to get ahead of russian disinformation, russian pretext. some observers are worried that it potentially has a chance to push putin into taking further action, but this is the strategy
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that the u.s. is following. they feel like they have a good hand to play here in getting ahead of russian disinformation, hallie. >> cal, give us the perspective from where you are on the ground as troops are now starting to deploy, the first of them getting in the air over to eastern europe here. >> yeah, we're starting to see them move into theater. my colleague and your colleague made it onto the base. i want to show you this video, but i want to play sound from the spokesperson for the 18th airborne core as he tells carrie what's happening. >> today, soldiers here at green ramp are in the process of mobilizing to deploy, to support the order that was given yesterday which is to deploy to europe, both to germany and to poland to assure our nato allies and partners and to deter russian aggression. >> reporter: and hallie, as we kind of loop this video and you watch these soldiers loading up, i want to point out if they
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weren't told they were heading to germany or poland, it wouldn't be an unusual day at fort bragg. this is the biggest military base in the country as far as personnel goes. the u.s. military is constantly rotating forces in and out of europe. it is of course, a very difference situation today. we will have 1,700 troops from the 82nd airborne heading to poland. those troops are already under way. we won't know until they are there, and additional menace are headed to germany. these two units are designed for exactly this. these units stand ready. they were ready to go according to the public affairs officer this morning, and if more are needed to send, they say, in their words, they stand ready, hallie. >> cal perry, live for us outside fort bragg, and we appreciate your reporting. coming up, a couple of live interviews you won't want to miss. the chair of the senate foreign relations committee joining us after the break on what we learned from the classified security briefing from ukraine,
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senators on capitol hill just coming out of a classified briefing on what's happening between russia and ukraine. on the hill behind me here, a couple of developing headlines from our hill team who have been talking with those lawmakers. you've got senator lindsey graham now saying a bipartisan sanctions package is already ready to go. he's hopeful something will be announced in the next couple of days. watch. >> i believe that there is going to be a bipartisan package. it'll have sanctions that are meaningful, but with a waiver. i'm hopeful in the next coming days we can introduce a sanctions package that imposes
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sanctions now for the provocation with post-invasion sanctions that will destroy the russian economy as we know it. >> i want to bring in now the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee who was, of course, in that briefing. senator bob menendez. it's good to see you. thanks for being back on the show. >> good to be with you, hallie. >> it sounds like the senators are close to a finalized package. do you agree with that assessment? is that accurate? >> we have been working diligently around the clock to get to a bipartisan package. i'm cautiously optimistic that we will, and i think that what we heard today at the briefing dictates the urgency of now. >> explain that. why? >> well, without getting into the specifics of the, you know, the intelligence briefing, the picture that i can develop overall from it is that, in fact, and we see from the public
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facts of 130,000, maybe 150,000 russian troops assembled, not only the troops that are assembled, but all the backup to those troops that, in fact, this is a moment in time in which the european continent is going under the greatest threat it has ever had since, you know, the 1940s. so the reality is, is that us coming together with a strong, bipartisan package that would provide crippling sanctions to russia if, in fact, they did invade, and to sanction up front some of the things they have already done like false flag operations, trying to destabilize the ukrainian government and other things, are important as well. >> right. >> so i think we're very close, and i look forward to being able to join with the ranking member to let everybody know what we were able to accomplish. >> you said something, senator, that caught my ear about
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sanctions up front. pre-invasion sanctions and it's our reporting that it sounds like there would be some of those, but there would be a national security waiver for president biden to opt out. you're comfortable with that? >> if that's where we come down, absolutely. i don't like to call them pre-invasion sanctions because it suggests that it is pre. they are sanctions on things that russia and other actors have already taken. if there's a waiver for the president, that's fine. i think he will want to impose. in fact, the administration has already posed sanctions and we're working with the ukrainian government. >> you also mention false flag operations and we have that here on msnbc this afternoon, and you've heard intel officials saying russia was planning to stage this fake filmed attack, basically, hiring actors as a pretext for invasion. your reaction? >> first of all, i applaud the
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administration for declassifying and making it public to the world. we need to keep exposing putin for what he is, the aggressor here. he is trying to create some set of circumstances so that he can claim the right to invade ukraine. there will never be a right to invade ukraine. you will always be the aggressor, president putin, and that's how history will judge you. so i know he's trying to find some excuse, but we cannot let him have an excuse, and i appreciate that the administration to that effect, and great britain once before are putting the information out there to take the rug from underneath putin in terms of being able to claim some legitimate reason. there is none. there is none. >> let me ask you about the other, obviously, huge foreign policy news happening. that is that raid in syria, and we came off the militants, and the u.s. military had to get involved. now you have this raid supporting isis leadership.
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do you see the u.s. heading back toward a more active role in that conflict? >> well, i think -- first of all, i want to applaud president biden. he took a more riskier to our military decision in order to save civilian lives. of course, the leader who was killed showed his depravity by exploding a bomb and killing his family members and children. it just shows you what we're up against. i think we're going to continue to see engagement to take isis, and however we can, their abilities to attack the homeland. the president should be applauded for the action. >> do you believe we're giving our partners on the ground enough support to accomplish the mission of defeating isis? >> i think we are engaged globally, and we are helping all of those who are joined with us in common cause to defeat isis, and in that regard, yes, and we will continue to do so. >> okay. senator bob menendez, thank you
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for being with us on what i know is a big and busy day. thank you. appreciate your time. >> great to be with you. coming up, we'll get more information on that special op in syria. plus, nbc's exclusive reporting that just dropped. president biden's multimillion dollar infusion to try to help democrats hold onto power in congress as he rolls out his election year crime messaging as we speak right now in new york. we're back in a second. we speak right now in new york we speak right now in new york we're back in a second (man 2 vo) i'm living longer. (vo) imbruvica is a prescription medicine for adults with cll or chronic lymphocytic leukemia. imbruvica is not chemotherapy- it's the #1 prescribed oral therapy for cll, proven to help people live longer. imbruvica can cause serious side effects, which may lead to death. bleeding problems are common and may increase with blood thinners. serious infections with symptoms like fevers, chills, weakness or confusion and severe decrease in blood counts can happen. heart rhythm problems and heart failure may occur
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intelligence community started to put together options as we refined making sure this was the leader of isis in this house, and they're looking at who's in the house, and around the house and getting the patterns of life and that takes some time. the president got his first operational briefing about six weeks ago in december, and really walked through in exquisite detail what this operation would be like, the complexity, because there was a family living on the first floor, and he knew that, and it was kind of ironic. he was responsible for a genocide and killing tens of thousands of people, and he was trying to use these innocent -- this innocent family who were unwitting of who he was, we believe, as a shield. and so to plan an operation, to ensure that our operators were able to take care of this family while also trying to complete the mission and remove him was extraordinarily complex, and the president was presented a number of options, and then over the course of the last month or so, through a series of briefings,
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those options were refined. of course, you have to account for weather, lunar cycles, other things. the president was briefed in the oval office earlier this week. gave the final order to go, and our forces carried out the mission last night with just incredible skill and precision, and professionalism. >> iraq has now come out in the last little bit here, last hour or so and said that it was their intel that led to the u.s. being able to determine the location of el qurayshi. can you confirm that? >> i cannot. i won't discuss any intelligence gathering or sources or methods that led to this operation. >> can you characterize on the scale -- you described the complexity of this operation, right? on a scale of, like, if there is such a thing as less risky to risky operations, you would say this is on the riskier end of this spectrum. can you give us an idea of the president's green light? >> it was just the fact of this
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target and you had all these families particularly on the first floor. >> right. >> i'll give you an anecdote. we assumed that similar to his predecessor, baghdadi, might launch a suicide vest or blow himself up when our forces approached, and the president asked the question, what will happen? is the building structurally sound enough to survive that? and military engineers really studying this building came to the conclusion that, yes, in fact, the building would be structurally sound, so the building would not collapse on these families below, and he set off an explosion that was so large that it basically destroyed the third floor, blew him and others out of the building, and into the surrounding areas, and yet the building remained structurally sound. that was something that was planned for. so when we saw that explosion early in the operation, the building did remain intact. that family on the first floor, ten individuals were brought to safety. of course, haji abdullah
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murdered his family, and one of his associates, an isis lieutenant barricaded himself, and he was killed as well, and his wife as well was killed. this went very much according to plan that was by our military, our intelligence professionals and the national security team. >> you know this region, brett. you know this organization well. i would venture to say among the best in the country on that front. you know there's going to be another top leader of isis named. there will be another lieutenant. people will step in to take those positions. how would you characterize the impact of this strike, and then more broadly, the state of isis right now in the region? >> well, abdullah was a unique individual. he was instrumental to the caliphate in 2014. he orchestrated the genocide of yazidis, but no one here is taking a victory lap. this is a significantly degraded organization. we know that he was running operations from this house.
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he never left the house because he knew and he thought these families living with him might provide him some comfort and protection, but he had runners and liaisons and couriers, and he was running things day-to-day. isis will remain a threat, and we are working with syria, and a small number of u.s. forces rarely in combat. operations like this are rare now, and also the coalition in iraq, and we train iraqi security forces and this is a very sustainable model, and so far we think it's been successful and it's going to continue. >> i know you can't get into certain specifics on some of this, but during a strike like this, there will be information, hard drives, et cetera, that the u.s. would hope to recover from a site like this. broadly speaking, can you characterize whether you anticipate any materials were recovered from this site as potentially helpful in the u.s.
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fight against terror? >> no doubt. our forces on the site took off with a lot of information from the compound, and then that will be analyzed by our intelligence professionals and surely will lead to other leads. that's how these things work. going back to last night, and going back to your first point, and risk and the nature of this. this was a high risk operation, and there were a number of options, you know, you could do an air strike, but of course, that wasn't an option here because of the -- because of the nature of the target, all these families living in the house. so we took -- the president ordered this operation knowing that it was putting our men and women into harm's way at risk to themselves to try to protect the american people, protect the country to take out this terrorist threat without harm to the families in the building. it was an incredibly risky operation, but, you know, the guy who is do this, the men and women out there, i've served a lot of time out there with them. they're unbelievably professional, and watching this
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go down step by step in the situation room, step by step, it went exactly like clockwork. one helicopter had mechanical problems. that was quickly dealt with. we had the explosion when they blew up the third floor of the house. everything had been accounted for, and we watched our forces march through the mission until they were out of harm's way. the president left the situation room. he said, god bless our troops and spoke to the american people this morning. >> i have to imagine there were moments of tension in the situation room during something like this, brett. >> incredibly tense, and we're getting realtime reports from general milley and the secretary of defense, and incredibly tense until it was actually finished. >> brett mcgurk, it's really great to have you on the show, especially on a day like today. thank you. please come back. >> great to be here. thank you, hallie. we want to bring you some new nbc news exclusive reporting out now just as we came on the air not even 30 minutes ago. president biden on the political
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front now, offering a $15 million transfer to help democrats' chances in the midterms. that's the hope. it's coming from the dnc's war chest which raised more than $150 million in 2021. nbc news is learning this is more of a down payment. more money to come, and what outside observers see is an uphill climb come november. we have mike menially. >> reporter: i should start by saying some of my closest friends in the big apple are joining me. we'll work through this as we often do. >> all good. >> reporter: i'm here in new york because president biden is here trying to set the tenor and tone of how he thinks democrats should be campaigning, especially on the issue of crime which will be a big issue this fall. you know what else democrats want to see from the president? it's money. they're getting a $15 million
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from the dnc that the president actually authorized this, told the party leaders, how speaker nancy pelosi, the head of the house campaign committee, and chuck schumer, and senator gary peters from michigan last night. it was a long set of meetings at the white house last night to really chart sort of his strategy for the midterm elections moving forward. now part of this money goes directly to the campaign committees, but the dnc has also already spent the $20 million to build up what they're calling an across the board mobilization in key states and if you look at the map of some of to these states, i think you'll notice something that stuck out to me as well. michigan, wisconsin, nevada, arizona, georgia. >> yeah. >> reporter: these are not just big states in the midterm election years with governors and senate races that will be key for the party, but they'll be key in 2024 for presumably joe biden or whoever the democrat is leading the ticket. so this is really a sign of how the president is starting to ramp up his own involvement in the midterm elections even though we know when it comes to the actual on the ground
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campaigning, some democrats might want to keep their distance from him. >> thank you for joining us for that. i really appreciate it. mike is with the president. he's traveling with president biden in new york because the president is visiting nypd headquarters. this is his first visit to the city since eric adams was inaugurated. here he was a second ago. >> mayor adams, you and i agree. the answer is not to abandon our streets. it's not to defund the police. it's to give you the tools, the training, the funding, to be partners, to be protecters, and community needs you. >> this comes after the recent killings of two nypd officers. you see them wilbert mor ro, and jason rivera. look at this graphic on the screen. transit crimes up 70%, and people stealing stuff out of cars, 90%. that's almost double, and you have big cities across the
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country, also facing these crime surges. president biden looking to find that balance of being tough on crime while reporting some efforts to police. we have gabe gutierrez. it's good to see you. talk to us about this meeting with the mayor, and the political piece too in addition to the policy impact. >> reporter: hey, hallie, yes. as you mentioned, you just played some sound from the president there saying the answer is not to defund the police, and that is a message that we have been hearing over and over again today, not just from president biden, but from newly sworn in mayor eric adams here in new york. when i sat down with mayor adams earlier this week, he really tried to strike up this alliance with the biden administration. he's called himself the biden of brooklyn before even referring to the president as his dude just a short time ago. take a listen to some of the exchange i had with him when i asked him about that progressive slogan that has become very
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divisive in this country. >> does defunding the police work? >> no, it does not, and it's the wrong bumper sticker. i have too many police officers that are doing clerical duties. if you were inside, i need to know why you're inside, and if you are not, i need you to put on the bullet proof vest and do the job that new yorkers hired you for. >> reporter: so hallie, this is mayor adams again, you know, trying to be in lock step with the biden administration. a lot of the things that president biden talked about today, you know, come cracking down on so-called ghost guns, really adding in more money for community policing. the president actually brought that up last year during a speech at the white house, but it's that messaging, that really -- that acknowledgment that many people around the country are dissatisfied with only solve these policies to combat crime. the president and his administration hoping that he has an ally here in new york, and that mayor eric adams during this crime wave. >> gabe gutierrez live for us in new york. gabe, thank you.
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colleagues who conducted this interview, but what was interesting is to hear the clarifications about the timeline for when we might know more about where this investigation is headed. >> it's a quick investigation in terms of this next phase, and we know now that she's empaneling the special grand jury that she'll have more power to authorize subpoenas and compel testimony from reticent witnesses and these are people like brad raffensperger, and members of his office. she wants to move this timeline up, and doesn't want this dragging out longer and longer and longer, and we could see some significant moves this summer. >> so what is this idea of the new phase mean? not just in the scope and the timing, but about where this goes altogether, because she was -- again, this literally just posted. i'm skimming this during the commercial break, but it sounds like she was asked about the
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fake electors issue in georgia, and she really didn't get into whether or not she would be going after that. it sounds like she wants to keep that a little closer to the vest. >> she indicate she was open to broadening her investigation, and that was the first time she said this publicly. she didn't commit to it, but she said if the investigation takes me there, that is where she'll go. >> that's significant. >> it's a strong independent occasion -- yeah. it was important she said she could include that. and other investigators also looking at that election in georgia and several other state. >> what does it mean as you have described it, see more activity in june and july from this special grand jury? >> it means again that this investigation could be much broader than the phone call that brad raffensperger that we all know about. it could be a key element of this, but if she's broadening it to include the 16 fake gop electors to other phone calls,
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other efforts to intimidate brad raffensperger, congressional state testimony by rudy giuliani, then this could be a very, very far reaching investigation. >> did she say who she wants to compel to testify? we know that as you know, brad raffensperger, the secretary of state who took that now infamous phone call from then-president trump, encouraging him to find the votes that obviously didn't exist to get him to win, which didn't happen because he lost. did she say who else she wants to hear from, or compel to bring in? >> she didn't outline who else she would like to subpoena or compel testimony from, but we can imagine it's going to be state officials who have been reluctant so far to cooperate according to the testimony back and forth, and to the documents that we've received back and forth from state officials and her office. >> sorry, greg. so in your view next, what is the biggest takeaway from this next then? there's a few of them. >> i think the biggest takeaway
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is entering a new phase, and things will start ramping up, and the fact these 16 gop gop electors could be apart of that next phase is significant because it adds to that national context we already know the federal prosecutors are looking at congressional investigators and we know local could be looking at them as well. >> potential serious criminal trouble for them ahead possibly. >> yes. >> thank you for scrambling your camera up to bring us this breaking news. we appreciate it. thanks for being a friend of the show. i'm sure we'll talk again soon. >> thank you. new msnbc news reporting taking us inside the earnings call for spotify. why we're talking about earnings calls because of what the spotify ceo says about misinformation over covid and that joe rogan conversation we have been covering. we've got that after the break. e have been covering have been covering we've got that after the breakky of magic in all that chaos. ♪ so different and so new ♪
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earlier experienced devastated personal loss. >> i know one thing really well. which is, about the constitution and the rule of law and american democracy. >> maryland congressman jamie raskin found himself in the spotlight at a darkest moment of his life. >> i did not know, you know, whether i would be able to do anything again of meaning or substance in my life after losing tommy. >> the congressman now in the third term opening up. he was tapped to serve as lead manage every in donald trump's second impeachment trial. less than two weeks after raskin's 25-year-old son tommy a harvard law school died by suicide. >> normally he was the happiest, most energetic person you could ever hope to meet. >> i never doubt he will win. not because of his smashing good
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looks. >> but he was suffering from depression. it was serious. >> reporter: depression and anxiety spiking during the pandemic with 4 in 10 adults reporting symptoms and for younger adults the number is higher. overall deaths by suicide have declined the rate among 25 to 34-year-olds went up 5% in 2020. the only age group to see a significant increase. >> mental illness really can take a toll on anybody. >> reporter: dr. christine crawford says tough times like a pandemic can intensify feelings of insecurity and while hospitals have been overwhelmed by covid patient there's been an increase in emergency room visits for suicide. >> the emergency room setting
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really isn't the appropriate environment to receive good, quality psychiatric care. >> it is why dr. crawford said it's important to have conversations to try to break the stigma so people feel comfortable sharing the challenges. >> it is okay to not be okay and we need to talk measure and more about this so that we can prevent another tragedy such as this one. >> reporter: the congressman working every day to honor his son's life and legacy. >> tommy loved the world and he loved democracy and he loved humanity. and all living things. and so, i feel like i honor him by doing the work that he would be proud of. >> we talk on this show about stigma and being open about experiences and challenges to help bring down the stigma
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around illness. they have been really working to do that. they shared a post not long after tommy's post with a letter saying look after each other, the animals and the global poor for me. if you are struggling there are resources available to you. this number on the screen is available 24/7. 800-273-8255. we'll have more of that documentary sunday night right here on msnbc the growing backlash against spotify with the company ceo defending the company for keeping joe rogan. saying on a company earnings call we won't change our policies based on a creator or based on the media response. he said he's happy with the
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response. i want to bring in nbc news tech coordinator jacob ward. talk to me on the report on nbc and the earnings call and this morning. >> reporter: especially hard tone with investors there saying that joe rogan is extraordinarily valuable thing to spotify and said that as you pointed out will not be pushed to take action making a veiled reference to neil young who among many others said he wants the music off spotify until they change the situation and did point out that he has not been communicative about the information content policy saying any podcast that deals with the coronavirus will have to also carry a content warning pointing people at accurate
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information. this past weekend joe rogan said he wasn't trying to spread misinformation but seeing a tech platform to be neutral and hemmed in especially now that more creators are pulling the music off. crosby, stills and nash pulling theirs. that is the one place that can hit spotify is access to artists that makes it money and will see whether more people line up to do the same thing. >> jake ward live there for us, thank you. appreciate all of you for your viewership here. nicolle wallace picks it up right after the break. high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. ♪♪♪
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vmware helps companies navigate change-- meeting them where they are, and getting them where they want to be. faster. vmware. welcome change. hi there, everyone. 4:00 in new york. this will go down as the week that the threads of donald trump's war against the democracy he led in 2020 revealed themselves most fullsomely. evidence revealed how the allies operationalized the plot to overturn the election results at the federal, state and local level and how they began to prepare for january 6. not just the violence but the plot to invalidate president biden's victory with alternate slates of electors as outlined in the east marn

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