good to be with you. i am katy tur. we are expecting to hear from the president any second now. here's in maryland to talk about a new executive order that will impact the union rights of 200,000 construction workers. we're going to go right there once we see him. he's about to speak to those union workers. we just saw his aides put his

papers on where he will be speaking. let's go to robin, host of public radios full disclosure. this is a good day for president biden, a phenomenal jobs report that nobody was expecting and now he's signing an executive order and he will do a victory lap with union workers to try and convince them that he will be fighting even harder for them in the midst of all these good job numbers. >> that's right. if you take in isolation just the number of jobs created last year was a record in modern u.s. historical record keeping, and the problem is that's running up against inflation that burns the bottom of every dollar, so if you have inflation nearing 7% and you are not getting a 7% raise every year, you are behind the curve. >> yeah. there's a lot of good numbers in terms of a wage growth.

i saw something around 4% for the number of jobs, but still 7% is the inflation rate. if you were a worker looking for a job right now, given the economy we are in, i wonder what you can negotiate? i will hold on to that question because we are seeing the president right now in maryland. he's with iron workers local 5 in upper marlboro, and he's about to go to the podium right there. let us listen in. let us listen in ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ >> thank you, everybody. thank you, thank you. you can please have a seat. i want to welcome everybody to this historic event here at the ironworker's always. i want to thank businessman,

aaron best, and everybody here at local 5, and i am said local 7 and that's in boston. as a proud member here in boston, it's great to be back in a union hall. secretary grandholm, thank you for being with us, and deputy secretary, kathleen hicks, thank you for being with us today. we have a couple members of congress and also local elected officials, and i want to thank you for being with us today, and of course, the president of the united states of america, preb biden and vice president harris, thank you for being with us today. today they are proving once again that this is the most

prolabor, pro worker administration in our nation's history. in a few minutes the president of the united states is going to sign an executive order and that order will make sure construction projects. great projects lead to good jobs. i had the honor of negotiating project labor agreements for 35,000 workers, and when i was mayor of boston i saw the project labor agreements bring equity and resiliency to our city. they protect taxpayers' investments and bringing projects in on time and on budget.

budget >> as we have proved in cities across america, we can use pla's to expand good middle class careers for women and workers of color, and that means a more inclusive economy and it's a top priority for me as labor secretary and for this entire administration. the bottom line, quite honestly, is between this executive order and the bipartisan infrastructure law, the president has provided us all with the opportunity to created millions of good-paying jobs, millions of union jobs and this is a historic win for working people all across this country. now i have the honor, the incredible honor, of turning this podium over to a champion of working people across this country, and is fighting every single day for the rights of

workers to join a union and be paid what they deserve and get the health care and family care their families need. sisters and brothers, join me in welcoming the vice president of the united states of america, kamala harris. >> thank you. have a seat. thank you, all. thank you, secretary. thank you, it's always good -- have a seat. thank you. it's always good to be in the house of labor. i want to thank you all for the work you do every day that inspires us, and secretary walsh, thank you, you are a great partner in this effort and a great leader in our administration. good afternoon, everyone. before we get started, i just want to say a word about the jobs report that came out today. i do believe, i think we all know that it shows the americans are getting back to work, and what we are seeing is that it's

happening at a record-setting pace. as a result of the diligence and the determination of the american people and the policies of our administration, our nation's economic recovery continues to be -- let there be no doubt -- the strongest in the world. again, i want to thank mr. walsh for the introduction and the work you do every day. it's good to be back here. senator carden, it's good to be back with you, as always, my former colleagues, and, of course, to be here at iron workers' local 5 with all of you.

i know we are all waiting to hear in a moment from one of the greatest friends of union labor workers, president joe biden. i just have a few comments to make. all of the workers gathered here now that our administration will always stand in solidarity with, and with organized labor. it comes from our heart. it comes from our soul. we are unequivocal and clear about the importance of that relationship, not only to us and our administration but to our country and the working men and women of america. we know union workers built our nation. you know, i think about a place like san francisco. union workers built the golden gate bridge. in chicago, union workers built the willis tower. in st. louis, union workers built the gateway arch, and in

new york city, on hallowed ground in the years after 9/11, workers from dozens of different unions built one world trade center. so the point there being, when our nation needs something to be built right, and those things that, by the way, are recognized throughout the world as the epitome of carpentry, of building, of what we do in terms of the skills that those workers apply, we receive world-wide recognition, so when the united states needs something to be built right we turn to union workers. and the reason for that is also clear. union workers are committed

workers, productive workers, efficient workers, skilled workers. they are well trained and well prepared to get the big jobs done and to do them right. not to mention, on time and on budget. mention, on time and on budget over the past year, i have visited, as i have for many years in my career, union job sites and worker training centers across our nation. last month, for example, i visited a training facility in milwaukee, wisconsin, and there i spoke with job seekers, apprentices, union members, workers who spent hundreds of hours learning to remove and replace lead pipes and service lines in a city that is sadly replete with them. and the officials there, they told me by the time these union

workers finish their training, they are the best in the business. so that's why -- one of the reasons why we are here today. the president and i made a promise that our administration will do everything we can to build a better future for all, that we will build stronger communities, a more skilled and productive workforce, and a more prosperous nation. as he will soon outline, we take another important step forward today to fulfill that promise, and so now it's my honor to welcome an apprentice here at iron workers' local 5 and a living example, a role model of what is possible when we invest in our workers. thank you all.

>> we will get back in just a moment, but first i want to talk to you about the job numbers again because they surprised a lot of people, and it comes after last month's jobs numbers which were quite frankly, pretty bad, and how do you account for that? >> those numbers seemingly get resized upward. i think i saw in the "wall street journal," for every 60 unemployment americans there are roughly 100 job openings, and if you want a job and you are somewhat motivated, have at it, but something still feels wrong and disconnected. you see the vice president and president in their masks, and yes omicron is on the way out, and masks are coming out of school mandates around the

country, and you can't grow because so much else is wrong with the economy and public health. >> is it going to have a rate hike? >> there's marginally more attention given today that maybe there's a little more strength in the economy if the fed wanted to come in and come in and hike by half a point, but you typically see them doing it increments of a quarter point, and you take medicine in teaspoons rather than tablespoons. but it's important for the economy to get back to an interest rate normalcy, and it sounds crazy, if something goes wrong, it will stimulate again. on the margin, it does give them a little more power to do it but i am still not impressed that the market could handle that. >> when we look at the breakdown of where those jobs went or who

got them, leisure and hospitality are the winners here. i have been trying to book a short vacation for me and my husband for the first time since march of 2020, and the plane tickets are expensive and hotel prices are extremely expensive, and i have a friend that works as a hotel and they said they have not been this busy every, and it seems like there's a bounce back in some areas. >> yeah, airlines had to cancel thousands of flights because of sickouts and labor shortages and a sluggish workforce that is not quite ready to go back to february of 2020 levels. you are seeing that in restaurants. try hiring a short-order chef, table hostesss for the front, and it's difficult to do it. you wonder if it's a function of the wage, 14, 15, $16.

that's why you see biden and harris up there with this victory lap in the department of labor. >> if you are working out there and looking for a better job, how much power do you have right now given what we are seeing? >> do you remember -- i love throwing movie scenes at you. was it -- was it that scene in "goodwill hunting," where he walks in and kicks his feet up -- you can't quite do that, you can't be that obnoxious, but unemployment is at 4%, and employers, white collar employers, and hospitality and leisure, they are leaving so much money on the table by not being fully staffed, and if you want paid time off or help with child care, this is probably the best time in decades to assert that. >> can we talk about politics and perception here? the headline coming out of last month's jobs report is the

economy was not doing well and it was bad news for the president, and people felt the economy was fought going in the right direction and his poll numbers took a hit. how do you bounce back from that? is this enough to turn things around, or does the perception that things are not good get baked in? you will have to hold on that answer because the president is now about to speak. he's taking off his mask. we will jump right back in. >> that's progress. you know, folks, thank you -- thank you. before i begin my somewhat formal remarks, walking in here today and seeing you guys sitting on that beam, first local ever to endorse me was a guy named tommy schrank in

delaware, the local union workers, and there was four sons of guns like you all having lunch on a beam about 12 stories above the ground. you are nuts. thank god you are. i will tell you what, you got to be coordinated to be an ironworker, man. i was told -- i said, you know, a cutout of 46, the presidency, i am the 46th president and i am thinking, you know, maybe i can take it home? that's solid steel, man. you guys did that on your time. thank you very much. i am not going to try and take it home. look, folks, it really is -- it's an honor to be here for

real. i want to thank your soon-to-be new full-blown ironworker, and marty is trying to get her to boston and that's another thing i have to warn you about. it's an honor to be here with vice president harris, and marty walsh, proud president of local workers union 223 up in boston, and jennifer grandholm, we have a few things we are going to build. i want to thank the delegation, ben carden for a long time, and an outstanding congressman, anthony brown and other elected officials here. look, all of whom fight for working people in maryland and every other state, because if it happens here it happens around the world, happens around the

country. it has been an honor to be here with the local workers number 5, and this time we are going to get it really correct. you know, one of the press persons said to me -- i can't remember who, but about three months ago, i don't know if it's factual or not, you have used the word union more than any other president in history. let me tell you, i am not sure that's true, but i'll tell you what, i promise you you would have a union president and i am because you are the best. now, we talk about whether, you know, wall street builds america, they are good people in wall street, not bad folks and there are good people all over the country, and i will tell you who built america. the middle class.

and those people are organized unions there, and that's not hyperbole, it's a straight fact. we are going to ensure we build a better america and build it on time and cheaper than it would have been otherwise. the executive order is making sure federal construction projects get completed on time and under budget, saving taxpayers money and clearing construction zones clearly and ensuring everything the federal government signs to contract to build is built to last. you genuinely are the best in the world. that's not hyperbole. that's a fact. to do that we are using a tool that iron workers here know well, and it's called project labor agreements, and i know you guys know it but folks watching this may not understand it. simply put, these are agreements that contractors, subcontractors and unions put in place before a

construction site gets under way, before the construction begins. they ensure that major projects are handled by well trained, well prepared high-skilled workers, and they wart off problems and resolve disputes ahead of time, ensuring safer work sites and avoiding stoppages and disruptions that could cause expensive delays down the line, and that makes a big difference to the american taxpayer, because when a big construction project is completed professionally, it's good for the american taxpayer. that's not hyperbole, it's a fact. we don't talk about it, we don't talk about how y'all save the american taxpayers money. it's good for families who live in those communities all across the country, federal construction projects are being built as i speak. it means that modernization of your local waterways will get

done sooner, and won't cost twice as much as expected, and when the next storm comes the lights will likely stay on and homes and businesses will be protected from flooding, and the new traffic control towers at the airports will be up and running quickly, so flights are safe at the airports and more efficient. it means new housing we built on our new military bases will be at the highest quality, which these service members deserve. and a whole lot better, will make life easier for the military families. the executive order i will sign will help diffuse problems before they arise, they will improve coordination between the contractors and subcontractors and workers on the job site, and

it will be high-quality, highly trained workers. you know, people don't understand, if they don't know the industry -- >> president biden there delivering remarks signing an executive order, that's the big news here, an executive order on project labor agreements. you heard him there just talking about it. it's going to require federal construction projects over $35 million to have labor agreements, collective bargaining, and it will set wages and employment conditions and dispute resolutions, that sort of thing. back with me now is news correspondent is jacob -- actually, i am introducing him for the first time, and then i will put up joe biden's poll numbers. do you expect them to change on the heels of this jobs report? >> if omicron keeps declining, if we are back out in mass at

golden corral getting our steak on, and back at dance parties and masks go off, and if something approaches the january 2020 high in this country, then his approval numbers will go up. i don't believe he will not get as walloped as badly in november, with the gop at least regaining the house, and on the margin as well, oil prices, they are at an eight-year high right now, and that's only so much in his control. yes, inflation, and hopefully deflation of the virus. >> jake, i want to ask you about a couple things that i noticed were interesting. what is going on with facebook? what happened to their stock price and what does it mean? >> well, it is watching the single greatest stock price drop in the market's history. it erased about $230 billion in value off of facebook. this was on an earnings call revealed to be a number of

factors. investors hate uncertainty and facebook has a lot of uncertainty going on, and they are spending huge amounts of money on the metaverse idea, for which the company is now named and spending on research and development and that's up 35%, and investors are not sure how they will see that money come back. another interesting thing, katy, they mentioned apple's new privacy policy and that cut into facebook's ability to target ads to you and me, citing that as a headwind here is an interesting moment in the history of tech, and it seems to have had an enormous effect on facebook's ability to do what it does best, which is making money. >> streamers are raising their rates -- not just streamers, but prime is raising its rate and

netflix is announcing price hikes. why now? >> we are looking at $20 for amazon prime, and shipping is 10% more expensive than it used to be. more costs associated with it, and the question is will people who have been acclimated to the idea that amazon can get you something the same day, will it be worth that. >> 467,000 jobs added in this month's jobs report. thank you for joining me. we are following breaking news out of the pentagon. they just released the results of the investigation into the explosion that killed 170 afghan civilians and u.s. service members after the chaotic

withdrawal from afghanistan. the blast was from a single suicide bomber packed with 20 pounds of military-grade explosives and ball bearings meant to have maximum damage. the investigation found it was the ball bearings that caused the injuries that looked like gunshot wounds, there was no firefight. the investigation did not find any evidence that the taliban was aware of what was about to happen, and military leaders insisted today that despite warnings of an imminent attack there was no specific intelligence pointing to an attack at that gate. a point courtney kube pressed on this afternoon. >> there's a august reference that said there were threat

streams, and can you say what was the threat? >> there were multiple threat streams during the course of those operations. those particular threat streams, i won't go into details on them but i can tell you they were consistent with other reporting that occurred but they were very nonspecific. >> joining me now is global affairs reporter, dan duluth, and host of msnbc's "way too early," john law mere, and ben rhodes. the attacker was somebody that was released from a prison on an american air force base, and the taliban let prisoners go. i am so confused about that, because this was not a taliban

sympathizer. there were a number of people in that prison isis terrorists and not sympathetic to the taliban, and it's confusing to me there was no strategy among taliban leaders as to who they should keep inside a cell and who they shouldn't. >> very confusing, absolutely. we still don't know the full story on that. it was interesting today that the pentagon was saying they did not think the taliban in any way was colluding with isis on the attack, but nevertheless it does raise the question why was he released? those were very chaotic days. we don't know whether there was a specific arrangement between members of the taliban and isis about this one individual, whether money exchanged hands and it elicits a lot of questions. the initial account of this is incorrect, it was not some kind

of firefight but it was one awful and terribly lethal device that killed so many people, including 13 service members. another thing, though, of course this study was very narrow, this investigation. it did not look at why the u.s. was in that position. there was tremendous chaos, obviously, and this was a very confusing situation, and there were tremendous risks. they had the intel stream that there could be an attack but did not know where or when it would take place. >> they are absolving themselves, saying there was intelligence there could be an attack but had no further details on where it could be, and no suggestion it could be at abby gates. what do you make of the way they framed that, dan? >> i think for the military it's reasonable they investigate this particular attack and try to find out, you know, was

intelligence somehow missed or ignored, and was there a firefight and did u.s. service members unintentionally wound or kill any civilians. they addressed that and found it was not the case. the death toll that was so high and terrible was just from this one, you know, explosive device packed with all those ball bearings. the questions really are for others, right, really for congress and for the american people to ask the administration how they handled the withdrawal and the evacuation, because of course there were so many u.s. forces withdrawn earlier, by mid july the u.s. military presence was incredibly small and they were not prepared for a massive evacuation even though there were lawmakers, democrats and republicans going to the white house saying in may, april and june, saying you have to be ready for a major evacuation and they chose not to prepare

perhaps the way they should have, at least that's the view of a lot of people in congress and a lot of ngos. there is questions to ask about that attack. >> ben, what do you conclude about the investigation? >> two things jump out at me, katy. we have seen the initial report are the drone strikes that we later found out killed civilians including a number of children, and here we find out there was not a firefight as initially was thought, but was just a suicide bomber, and that makes sense because you had troops firing in the air to disperse the crowd. the second point to what you are getting at, these troops were being put in an impossible position. they were being asked to do two opposite objectives, one, get as

many people as possible out in the largest and fastest airlift we have ever done, and have security at the only place, the only site in all of afghanistan where the evacuations are taking place. i really don't think you can push this down on to the people at the site, and it's the question of how did we end up in that situation. >> is the white house commenting on it, john? >> no, katy -- >> go ahead, john. >> that's okay. >> we have not heard from them yet today but we may at some point, and usually matters like this they defer to the department of defense. to underscore ben's point here, it is why it often happens, in the fog of war, where something happens when there's an event or raid or attack, stories change understandably and things are moving fast and it's hard to piece together which is why we heard so many of our colleagues

press white house and pentagon officials for details in the raid in syria that killed the islamic state leader there, a dangerous and successful raid that led to him taking his own life and killing members of his own family including children, as well as the reports that russia was looking to create a fake video to justify an attack into ukraine, to suggest there had been a act of violence and the ukrainians started it, and they would push for propaganda, and they are hoping now that they publicized that, putin will change course. it's important to keep being persistent and hold those in power accountable as we look for the underlying story and truth. >> no doubt about that. john, ben, dan, gentlemen, thank you for joining us.

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russian president, vladimir putin, and chinese president-elect, xi jinping, and the two leaders reinforced commitments to each other while criticizing the united states and the, quote, interference, in the internal affairs of other nations. putin's visit to china comes as russia continues to build up its forces along the ukrainian border and a day after the united states intelligence says they have evidence that russia made plans to create a fake video accusing ukraine of genocide complete with images of corpses to justify an invasion, and russia denied those allegations. still the ramp up is enough to shift the mood in ukraine's capitol where they are preparing for the worst. erin mclaughlin, i want to hear what you are hearing on the ground with the change, and i

want to know what you know about the meeting between vladimir putin and xi jinping, and how will that affect the ability to impose successful sanctions? >> that's an open question. what seems to be clear is russia and china are getting closer, and there was a meeting with putin and his counterpart in china, and the kremlin released a joint statement from russia and china outlining just how close they are on a range of issues, including taiwan and nato with china essentially siding with russia on the issue of nato expansions. i think given the closeness of the relationship, the question also becomes will russia attack ukraine during the olympics with beijing taking center stage, katy. >> what are you hearing, erin,

from people on the ground there? >> reporter: well, as you said, katy, people here in kyiv are preparing for the worst. the mayor of kyiv actually enlisted in ukraine's equivalent to the army reserves, and you see elderly and teenagers on the weekends participating in training over the weekend, and even medical training, and we spoke to one pizza restaurant owner handing out with free pizza to anybody that arms themselves to be a defender, and he said he believes it's only a matter of time before russia invades ukraine. take a listen. >> we are living it for eight years, and we understand our neighbors are [ bleep ], and they have a nuclear weapon and a big army, and for me the invasion is a question only

about time, when it will be, but it will be. >> reporter: so some colorful language there, but many ukrainians that i have been speaking to say they essentially feel the same. it should be noted, though, this morning the ukrainian foreign minister striking a little optimism, saying ukraine and the west have won the first round against russia, the threat of invasion is postponed, katy. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you so much. joining me now is new york staff writer, and also the author of the book "surviving autocracy." you know this better than most, vladimir putin uses propaganda and uses tools at his disposal in russia to keep people in line, and we had reporting yesterday about a potential wag the dog situation where they stage an attack, and claim

ukrainians killed russians and have actors playing mourners, and russia denied those allegations. tell me, what is it inside russia? what do russians here from vladimir putin? >> you know, i actually just got back from ukraine earlier this week so i think i am better positioned to talk about ukraine. i spent about a week in kyiv, talking to people and asking them what they were getting from the media and elsewhere, and not a single person failed to use the phrase "wag the dog." that's the kind of thing people are used to there, but it's particularly of importance right now when the ukrainian government is saying still what they are seeing at the border in terms of the amassing of troops is not that different from anything they have seen since the beginning of 2021, and it's a country that has been at war

with russia for eight years. they are seeing a lot of western media reports and western intelligence reports seem to be driving tensions that then sort of increase the risk of war. yeah, people keep using the phrase wagging the dog to refer to what they are actually experiencing. >> i was going to ask you about your time in ukraine, and i was reading your new york article and what jumped out at me, a woman you spoke to, a 36-year-old activist in eastern ukraine, and i want to read something you pulled from her facebook, which is something that i had not read yet about the situation there and how scary it can be. here's what she wrote. when my town was occupied the banks were the first to get blundered, and many people stayed in town then.

my mother's colleague stayed and was killed in her own apartment and they tortured her for a long time trying to find out where she hid retirement payments, and somebody was killed on the highway, and somebody killed for his car, and many faced demands for ransom for family members, and the mayor was tortured and died, and hundreds of people vanished, their go-bags and laminated documents and survival kits did not protect them. she's talking about what people are doing to prepare ahead of a russian invasion, saying there's nothing you can do other than to just leave. >> there are two points i will take from that, and my conversation from this extraordinary woman that wrote that post. one is what people have seen develop over the last eight years in these separatists

territories, and people were overthrown with russian backing, and ukrainians talk about those territories as ungoverned, and that's the most accurate description. there are accounts of just lawlessness, extreme violence, continuing violence, and just this constant state of being in extreme danger that doesn't go away once this land has been occupied. there's no sense that these things have been settled and are under permanent occupation. they are in a permanent state of ongoing violence. the other thing, which is related, and that's it's impossible to prepare for something like that and it's impossible to imagine. people are sitting around in beautiful restaurants in kyiv, they are going to concerts and going to movies, and they are living a life they have built for themselves in a country that

has, for the last 30 years, defended itself against a constant threat to its attempts for democracy, and imagine all of that can turn to lawlessness and violence in a matter of days, it's unbearable. >> it is. i can't even fathom it, certainly not from the position i am in, and let alone from being where they are right now. thank you so much for joining us. your new yorker piece on kyiv was really good and really haunting. i appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. a panel of scientists issues new findings in the mysterious and sudden brain injuries suffered by some u.s. diplomats serving overseas. a former cia office joining those symptoms will join me. first up, the republican party

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breaking political news this afternoon, the rnc just voted to censure liz cheney and adam kinzinger for, quote, sabotaging their party. the resolution passed overwhelmingly today, and it condemns the two lawmakers for their involvement in the january 6th committee and calls their behavior, quote, destructive.

the rnc was considering suspending cheney don't want to be talk about this stuff, don't want to be talking about january 6, don't want to be defending the former president on january 6 or the insurrectionists. but they keep doing it and doing it in a pretty public way and now this censure of two of their own, what do you make of that? how can they say one thing so privately and think that it's a bad idea for their reelection and then outwardly do the opposite? >> reporter: well, that's still the power that former president donald trump holds on the party, kati. that is largely why the rnc decided to move forward with the censures because the former president is watching and this is what he wants. the audience of donald trump was probably more important than the

audience of anyone else, even though the keep divisions on the party between the maga wing and the cheney wing are on full display. it's evident that the party -- some leaders in the party don't want to talk about this, reporters asked gop leader kevin mccarthy about it this morning in the capitol and he was silent, he didn't say anything. his office hasn't responded to a request for a reaction just yet, and it is dividing the party in the sense that this is happening on one hand and then you have members in the senate and in the house who are defending these members, especially because rona mcdaniel, the head of the dnc described this in a statement saying it was a legitimate political discourse on january 6 and that is directly the language from the former president, katy. >> the other breaking news we have is about the january 6th committee, there's news that they have phone records from jim jordan talking to the president, former president, for ten minutes on the morning of

january 6. jim jordan has been out there saying that he had multiple conversations with the former president on that day. that's not news. but what should we make of the committee having that sort of detail about when the phone call was, how long it lasted? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. the fact that jim jordan talked with the former president, he's already said that publicly, but this information was received to the committee from the national archives so this ten-minute conversation was in those presidential records that the january 6th committee just got from the archives, and so what it leads me to believe is that the committee is now in possession of a lot of documents and phone records and communications that the former president had on january 6th with members of congress, with other people, and so that is more significant than something that we already knew, that jim jordan talked to donald trump on that day, katie. >> leigh ann caldwell, thank you so much. and we are also learning

more about the possible causes for the neurological illnesses that were reported by hundreds of u.s. diplomatic workers around the world. after a cia assessment found that among the hundreds of reported cases of what's called a havana syndrome, an uncommon mix of hearing loss, pain, migraines, vertigo and nausea first identified in cuba back in 2016, two dozen cases could not be explained away by outside environmental or medical factors. a separate scientific panel on those unsolved medical mysteries has found cellular damage on the victims' nervous systems and they say it is most likely caused by pulsed electromagnetic energy from an external device. joining me now is former cia officer, he is the author of clarity in crisis, leadership lessons from the cia. as a greek i should have not mangled your name.

so i apologize for that. let's talk about the results of this -- of this assessment by the cia. they have two groups, people that they say that they can explain away the symptoms and others they say that are not easily explained away. i believe, sir, you are in the group that they say that they can explain. how do you feel about that and what do you think of this assessment? >> well, you know, first and foremost i'm not sure where i stand in that group, but to me now as i've really tried to advocate for the health care, what matters most is that the investigation continues. so what the cia interim report did is culled data, so we are down to several dozen face cases. what the expert's panel that just came out says it is plausible that it's a directed energy weapon. what that says to me and ng a lot of the other victims, it's really important, that the investigation must continue. >> there have been three assessments so far. when you are talking about an investigation that must continue, what exactly are you

looking for? >> so what you need now is clearly a whole of government approach. i think that's -- there's been a lot of churn over the interim assessment and then now the expert's panel. i think a lot of the victims like myself, we are not satisfied with a lot of kind of the lead after the expert's panel which essentially a lot of people said that we were all making this up. the expert's panel, the dni panel says there is a plausible reason for this. you just have to keep forward, but most importantly with a whole of government approach. there's been an official that's been named a coordinator for the entire government for this so separate agencies don't go off on their own. if you saw from the expert's panel this is under the auspices of the dni. i think things after a messy start the ship is getting righted and we have to go forward. you have to remember it took us ten years to find bin laden, this investigation has gone on for seven months. there's a lot more to do. >> you say you're pretty

confident that russia did this to you. if you were so confident in that, why would the cia be so hesitant to make that determination public or to say anything like that in public? they've been very -- they've been very careful in their language to not say that this is, they believe, a coordinated threat from a foreign adversary. >> sure. so, again, they took a look at the thousand cases and said in those thousand as they culled down the data they didn't believe a foreign adversary was responsible for that. there is still several unexplained. that nuance is important. russia has a history of a directed energy weapons program. this is something that i think should be really looked at. but make no mistake, we have to get this right and, you know, when we find an adversary to did this, if there was an adversary, that's an act of war so the intelligence community assessment will have to be with high confidence. i'm okay with taking a lot of time to find out who did this.

i have my own suspicions but the intelligence community has to do its job and get it right. >> finally i would be remiss if i didn't ask you this. how are you doing? >> well, you know, i've suffered from a headache for four years. it's been a really tough medical journey and, you know, i have a little bit of bandwidth, i can work for a couple hours each day, i was able to write a book, i do speaking to sports teams on leadership but my life has changed dramatically. this has been a really -- a tough road. i was someone who was on the tip of the spear for a long time and, you know, spent a lot of time in conflict zones around the world and now i only have a couple hours of bandwidth. i'm trying, getting better each day, i still is go to walter reed's traumatic brain injury center for treatment, they've helped me tremendously but i have a long way to go. >> thank you so much for joining us, mark. thank you so much. see you later. that's going to do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. r me today. today. llie jackson picks up our

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developing as we're coming on the air this afternoon, news that gives us a clearer snapshot of the state of the republican party and it is still donald trump's republican party. the message sent with the gop just today voting overwhelmingly to punish two of their own. you see them here, liz cheney and adam kinzinger for their work on the committee investigating january 6th. an attack on the capitol, the republican party is now, today, officially describing as, quote, legitimate political discourse. remember, nine people died in connection to the insurrection, more than 150 law enforcement officers were hurt. we will talk about what else the party is saying today and what's going down behind closed doors as mike pence takes the mic at a different meeting sometime this hour. plus, green across the board for wall street right now after that stronger than expected jobs report from the labor department. the head of the national economic council brian deese joining us