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hey, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. if you are just joining us, welcome. if you are still with us, thanks for sticking around. wrong and un-american. that is how mike pence is now characterizing his former boss in a takedown from ticket mates that we've never seen, really, in american politics. the former vice president finally saying, enough is enough when it comes to donald trump. >> president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people, and the american people alone. and frankly, there is no idea more un-american than the notion that any one person could choose the american president. >> in a moment, i'm going to talk to olivia troye, former top aide to pence about why he's choosing this moment to break

with the former president. the republican infighting does not stop there, though. it includes the gop censure of the two republican house members who refuse to bow to trump when it comes to january 6th. as the party tries to recast the violence that day, by the way, as legitimate political discourse. and prepares to cast out anyone who says different. >> look, there is a reason why adam is quitting. there's a reason why liz cheney is no longer in leadership and has very low poll rating in wyoming. this is a pure political committee. i think those two individuals would have a hard time ever coming back to congress. also this hour, a demand for answers. a march to protest a deadly police shooting in minneapolis after body cam footage of the incident was made public. and ahead, vaccines may soon be coming to kids as young as 6 months old, but will parents allow them to get that shot? we're going to look at some of those concerns later on this hour with dr. kavita patel.

we want to begin, though, with, of course, the former vice president, mike pence's most direct callout yet against trump and his baseless claims about january 6th. joining me now is a former top aide to vice president pence and director of the republican accountability project, olivia troye. olivia, good to see you. thank you for joining us on this saturday. we appreciate it. talk to me, olivia. this was quite a moment yesterday, i have to say, from your former boss, right, calling out the former president. i have to say for the very first time, it seems, in a direct a way as he did, by saying it's un-american, that this country belongs to the american people, and the former president is dead wrong. talk to me about what you suspect to be the reasoning for the timing of this. >> well, look, i think that's one of the best speeches mike pence has ever given after having worked for him for two and a half years where every speech he gave was laying praise on donald trump and saying he brought greetings from donald

trump. for mike pence to do this, this is a big deal. i know everyone's, like, wow, finally, it's too little, too late, but for mike pence to actually stand there and say trump is wrong, that is huge. and so, i think the calculus here is that mike pence knows that the truth is on his side. his, you know -- his senior staffers have gone in and testified before the jan 6th committee and i think that trump's statements more recently attacking, continuing to attack mike pence and pushing the lie that he could have overturned the election, i think was the final straw. and look, do i wish that mike pence would have done this months ago? i wanted him to say this on january 7th, and i think that he would have made a huge difference in where we are today as a country in terms of the disinformation that keeps getting pushed out by donald trump and many across the republican party. >> so, here's what i'm hearing from you, olivia. in a way, this was very personal, obviously, to the former vice president, whose life was threatened in that capitol on january 6th.

and he was continuously being attacked by the former president. i get that, right? and i understand how big of a deal it was for the former vice president. but what about the fact that this has been a threat to our democracy since the january 6th insurrection has happened? did the vice president, from your estimation, ever take that into account over the last year in saying something like this earlier? >> you know, that's the thing. i think the question is, what is he going to do in the days to come? is he going to retreat? what is he going to say in his statements? i think, you know, mike pence -- i have been very frustrated with him because he has gone out there and he has touted the election integrity thing, which is basically, you know, code for the big lie without saying the big lie, and so what side does he want to be on? does he want to be on the side of sedition, which is basically where the republican national committee is these days? or does he actually want to take a stand now for truth, and you

know, i mean, i think it's been tough to watch mike pence. he should have been out there defending people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger, because he lived that day firsthand on january 6th with him. his life was threatened. so what is it going to take for him? now, look, the damage is done. it's probably a little too little, too late, right, for mike pence. i wonder where this leaves him in terms of the republican party, and i know that politically, he's calculating his run for 2024, and i don't really know who the supporting base is for mike pence and a party that has just censured conservatives, true conservatives like adam kinzinger and liz cheney. >> do you think he's taking that into estimation at all? who do you think -- who do you think he believes his base is? his voting bloc is? >> well, you know, i think he's -- traditionally, he's

always had sort of the evangelical votes, right, and the true conservatives, but look, earlier this -- last year, he was booed on stage by the people that should have been his most die-hard supporters, and you know, i've traveled with mike pence. i have heard supporters -- actually, i have heard them actually say, like, i actually don't care for donald trump. i'm here for mike pence and to see him. now, whether those people still exist out there after mike pence has continued to sort of cower in the sha in terms of what it has meant for the damage that it has done to our democracy and how, you know, what is more than half of republicans actually believe that the 2020 election was stolen, and look at the groundwork being placed across the country in states where they're actually -- there are candidates out there that are running, extreme candidates in the republican platform that are being placed to possibly overturn elections in the future. and so if you're a moderate republican, you're watching this, and you're watching this in disgust.

>> you know, it's interesting because you were talking about the sides in which the former vice president could be on, he could be on the side of truth, as you put it, or on the side of tradition with the rnc, but is there any even tradition left when it comes to the rnc? i mean, is there any republican party left? is there any conservative republican party left when you have the rnc essentially calling the january 6th insurrection legitimate political discourse? >> look, the republican party as i knew it is dead. i mean, it does not exist. it is a party of trump and trumpism right now. that is a statement that they have put out there. and you know, to call this political discourse, i mean, this is insane. and i do think that it is -- it was a big mistake for them to do that. it is a bad calculus. i think they'll see former rnc staffers like myself really just express shock and dismay for this, and so look, i was a

staffer at the rnc, you know, back in the day, 20 years ago, and i don't recognize this party at all, and i don't want to have anything to do with these far. >> right people and what they're doing today. >> one last question, olivia, before i let you go and that is do you expect the former vice president to testify in front of the january 6th committee if, in fact, he's called to do that? >> since the staff have cooperated, i think that, you know, the january 6th committee certainly has the facts on their side. they've got the evidence. i actually think it would be -- i actually think it would be good for the country to have mike pence actually testify, and you know, i don't know if i see that actually coming to fruition. but to have him publicly, in a hearing, talk about what he lived on that day and talk about the lead-up, that will reach an audience that, you know, just seeing the documents and statements coming out of the january 6th committee, that won't reach them. but that audience will be out there, listening to mike pence,

just like his speech got the attention when he actually said donald trump was wrong and you can see it in the reaction by donald trump. you know he's angry. you can see it in the reaction of, you know, bannon, who's out there saying, mike pence is out there ratting us out, and so is marc short. pence's former chief of staff. i mean, so, all of this combined tells you that they are rattled by this, that this really got under their skin, and they're upset. and i think that is something where we could really actually make impact across the country and really get people to understand, from a different perspective, and they need to hear it from someone who was the sitting vice president of our country while his own president, his number one, basically sent a mob to kill him. >> olivia troye, thank you. good to see you. i want to bring in my panel now, susan del percio and juanita toliver. susan, let me start with you,

here's the overarching theme. it's been the continuous question that i have been asking throughout the last hour or so as well and i just spoke to olivia about it as well which is the motivation, the impetus for the former vice president to say what he did yesterday when he said it and it seems as if the kind of theme i'm getting from everybody is it's very personal, that the vice president has this conviction, he's with this on january 6th, on the side of truth, that he was being attacked continuously by the former president and this is why he's doing it now. >> i mean, maybe, that's very nice, but after being in this business for 30 years, i'll tell you what i think is motivating the former vice president is that his chief of staff spoke to the house select committee earlier this week. and he will have a better idea, marc short, of what -- based on the questions they're asking, what proof and what statements exist within the select committee. so, i think he's trying to get

ahead of something that is bound to come out anyway, and at least he can own it at this point in time. >> i also want to talk, susan, about the censure vote, right, of kinzinger yesterday and cheney as well, censured by the rnc for looking into what they describe as legitimate political discourse. but what's interesting to me, if you look at the voting record, specifically, of both cheney and kinzinger, they vote solidly republican, right? you can't get more conservative than liz cheney. you can't get more republican than liz cheney and adam kinzinger. but yet here we are being censured, these two, by the rnc. what do you make of that? >> it's disgraceful. like olivia said, it's not the rnc i know. this is not the republican party i started out with. but i'd also like to say that i don't consider them moderate republicans. i think of them as principled

republicans, and that's the difference between people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger, and i would also like to highlight the speaker of the arizona house who basically, with his one vote, a republican who supported donald trump, was able to eliminate the voting rights suppression bill that arizona state legislature put up. so it will no longer exist in its current form, and that's thanks to a republican. >> it's interesting, right, juanita, because as we were coming into this new year ahead of the midterms, there was talk about the fact that republicans certainly had somewhat of a leg up, right? possibly because you saw the dwindling numbers when it came to the current president's approval ratings, we looked at the failure of build back better, so far, the failure of the voting rights bill as well. that said, we're into this year so far, you have the censuring of these two top republicans on

the january 6th committee by the rnc. the rnc then turning around and calling it legitimate political discourse, that what happened on january 6th where people literally lost their lives, not only the people that were storming the capitol but police officers, right, protecting the capitol. why focus on censuring adam kinzinger and liz cheney in a moment like this for republicans? >> i mean, i know they have to appease trump, right? like, he was their big bet for the midterms, and keeping him happy is critical for them and for making sure that trump still turns out his base in support of republicans. and i have seen the polling, especially the nbc poll last month that showed that there's been a shift among republican voters towards more general gop supporters versus extremely based in supporting trump, but the reality is, he still has sway with 30% -- 36% of republican voters, and he's going to continue to leverage that over the gop's head, so as much as republicans are like, we don't want to talk about 2020,

when they release a resolution like they did yesterday, calling this a legitimate political discourse, saying that the insurrectionists were ordinary citizens? knowing that most of the country doesn't see it that way. all that signals to me is that they're going to keep doing whatever they can to put trump up on a pedestal and protect him and i think democrats need to respond to this by running the exact footage you're running and having the language that republicans are using, calling this legitimate political discourse, having the language that we heard from pence, saying that trump was wrong and running that in battleground states across the country, because we know that most americans saw what happened on january 6th and recognized it as a threat to democracy. they know that this threat is still ongoing. and that's why democrats need to make sure they're not letting republicans get away with calling this what they are and that they're going to be still moving forward with every bit of accountability that they can get for january 6th. >> i have to leave folks with a

quote from the "washington post" editorial board. it was an op-ed on the censure of both kinzinger and cheney, saying this. by asserting, as their censure resolution did friday, that truth is fiction and patriots are turncoats, they have exposed the dark, festering core of what their party is becoming, an unruly revolt against fact and reason that betrays the principles leaders such as former president ronald reagan championed. for now, susan del percio, juanita toliver, stick around for me, i'll see you later on this hour. still ahead, everybody, dramatic video of a no-knock warrant raid that left a black man did in minneapolis. and happening right now, in that city, people are gathering to protest, calling for justice in the death of amir locke. his family reacting as the city's embattled police

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perilous rescue mission. a 5-year-old moroccan boy who fell into a 100-foot well has, in fact, died. the boy was trapped in the well for more than four days. rescue workers with mechanical diggers worked around the clock to get him out, moroccan royal police announcing the boy's passing just a short time ago and offering condolences to the family. back here at home, everybody, a city on edge. you are looking live at downtown minneapolis where people are assembled ahead of a march to protest police and the city in the wake of a fatal shooting by police of amir locke, a black man, in his own home during a no-knock warrant. the shooting all captured on body cam footage has pushed the mayor to put a moratorium on those so-called no-knock warrants. nbc's priscilla thompson has more on this. >> body search. >> police. >> search warrant. >> reporter: outrage in minneapolis again after a black man was killed by police after they entered the apartment he

was in with a no-knock warrant. the parents of 22-year-old amir locke speaking out for the first time. >> i want the police officer that murdered my son to be prosecuted and fired. >> yes. >> reporter: overnight, police releasing body cam footage from wednesday's predawn raid in downtown minneapolis. the 55-second video they posted first in slow motion, then in realtime, appears to show s.w.a.t. officers opening the apartment door using a key, then announcing themselves as they enter. >> police. >> reporter: guns drawn. locke can be seen emerging from underneath a blanket on the couch. a freeze frame shows a gun in his right hand, one that his family says he owns legally. within seconds, an officer shoots. knocking locke to the ground. the police blurred faces of officers involved in the video. >> the involved officer was just outside the frame in the direction that that barrel is

emerging. you're forced to make a split-second decision about when it's a threat. >> reporter: locke died from multiple gunshot wounds, according to an autopsy just 13 minutes after he was shot. the video seems to contradict police accounts that they -- >> announced police search warrant before they crossed the threshold. >> search warrant. >> police. >> reporter: police now saying locke wasn't named in the search warrant and it's, quote, unclear if he was connected to the case at all. an nbc news check of public records found no criminal history. >> i'm angry because i wasn't there to save him. >> reporter: what went through your mind when you saw that video in? >> it tore my heart out. any law-abiding citizen would do just to protect himself. >> reporter: the minnesota gun owners caucus jumping to his defense, writing in a statement, mr. locke did what many of us might do in the same confusing circumstances. he reached for a legal means of self-defense while he sought to understand what was happening. adding, black men like all

citizens have a right to keep and bear arms. locke's parents say he was a food delivery driver who carried the gun for protection. the case reminding some of breonna taylor's death, where police also had a no-knock warrant, renewing scrutiny of the practice. in this case, police say they had both a knock and no-knock warrant with discretion on which to use. >> that's why these no-knock warrants are so dangerous, and it's foreseeable that innocent people can and will be killed like amir locke, like breonna taylor. >> reporter: locke's parents vowing to get justice for their son. >> his dreams have been destroyed. as his mother, i'm going to fight to make sure that amir locke gets justice. >> thank you to nbc's pri is a la thompson for that. . tomorrow night, reverend al

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training ukrainian forces in anticipation of a possible invasion. president biden has sent more than 3,000 american troops to nato allies in eastern europe with another 8,500 on standby. it's coming amid a show of unity between chinese president xi jinping and russian president vladimir putin against the west, with both leaders saying there are no limits to their alliance, while expressing joint opposition to the expansion of nato. yesterday, i spoke with representative -- >> i can tell you that what was remarkable about my trip was how united we all are in the face of this russian aggression, and you see this idea coming through, i think, from russia, now xi, this idea of spheres of influence, that somehow they are such large-scale world players that they should not only determine what goes on in their own states but have control far beyond their own states, and we, in fact, disagree as the united states. we feel that ukraine, for example, should be a democracy.

their people should be able to have the freedoms that they fought for. >> all right, joining me now is democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania, susan wild. she also sits on the house foreign affairs committee. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. great to see you. let's talk about the path forward here, right, as we kind of look at the landscape of what's taking place between the united states, ukraine, russia, nato, china, it seems now, a player in all this as well. looking at the russian troops on the ukrainian border, it seems as if they are at combat strength now. we have putin and xi essentially shaking hands over their alliance against nato, against any sort of expansion, as they put it, with nato. paraphrasing here, they essentially said, stay out of our territories, stay out of our business. right? it seems as if putin is kind of making a side agreement with xi, essentially saying, help me offset these sanctions if, in fact, they come my way, which will certainly undermine the west's efforts to sanction

moscow if, in fact, they decide to invade ukraine. so what here, congresswoman, is the path forward? >> well, it's a very serious and complicated situation, obviously. and president xi's cooperation and pledge of solidarity with the kremlin is not a good sign, but it is abundantly important that the u.s. stand by its allies in europe as well as in ukraine. we have got to uphold democracies around the world, particularly governments where the president has been recently democratically elected. we must support them as we have been both in terms of placing troops in eastern europe as well as providing ammunition to ukraine. and so, i am very, very hopeful that we are going to be able to avoid some sort of armed conflict, but i'm by no means certain of that.

i do know that the american people have no appetite to send u.s. troops into ukraine and that that would be really difficult, and i suspect that the kremlin knows that as well, and so they are going to play this out as much as they can. i do think that the sanctions that the u.s. has threatened against russia can be effective even with them having cooperation from china. we have got the ability to cut off various technologies to russia, cut off their export market, and that is something that i don't think putin is going to -- i don't think he's going to consider that in any kind of diminished way. but having said that, the situation is absolutely delicate. as you undoubtedly know, a delegation of members of congress went to ukraine recently, and i think -- i commend the administration for

its handling thus far. balancing this lack of desire for armed conflict involving u.s. troops, along with the more -- the difficulty of the fact that much of europe is dependent on russia for its energy, particularly germany, and just the geography of ukraine, it's a very, very difficult situation, and i think the biden administration is handling it the absolute best that it can. >> let me ask you, as you say, the united states should be supporting the situation as much as they can, their allies in eastern europe specifically. how far should the u.s. actually go, if putin decides to invade ukraine? does that mean boots on the ground inside ukraine? >> well, i think that the administration would need to ask congress for an aumf, and i don't know where that would come out. i certainly hope that we are short of that at this point. i think that we need to expect

our european allies, while we support them, we need to make sure that they are ready, if necessary, to go into ukraine, and i think the fact -- and i think the united states has to continue to support the ukrainian military to the fullest extent, not only with ammunition, but also with training, and we have been doing that, and right now, no, i am not prepared to say boots on the ground, but you know, it's a day-by-day situation, really an hour-by-hour situation in the next few days. >> do you sense that putin is now ready to talk once again? we knew that about a month ago, he was saying he wanted a quick answer on his demands when it came to nato but it seems earlier this week, a.p. was reporting that putin, in fact, seemed more prepared to talk once again, to engage diplomatically with the united states and what that would look like. >> i am never one to say no to diplomatic efforts, even somebody like putin, who i think

is not trustworthy and is very, very difficult to use diplomatic efforts with. having said that, if there's any expression of willingness on his part to do so, we absolutely need to explore that, because this would be a disaster for the ukrainian people. it would be a disaster -- we don't need a war in ukraine right now, and it's just something that i think that everybody involved, european nations, the united states, and hopefully russia and china, will recognize that we need to avoid armed conflict there. >> congresswoman susan wild, thank you. we want to remind you, by the way, about a new feature documentary by msnbc films, "love and the constitution," a new feature documentary that looks into the life of representative jamie raskin and an intimate view at both a nation and congressman in crisis. it follows raskin over the course of three years as he

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all right, so, it's been called a game changer. a coronavirus vaccine for children under the age of 5 could arrive very soon, but some parents are remaining unconvinced. pfizer has asked the fda to approve a two-dose shot of its covid vaccine for kids under 5, but despite repeated assurances from surgeon general vivek murthy that the vaccines will face a rigorous review, only 31% of parents of kids under 5 say

they will vaccinate their young ones against the virus as soon as possible. with me now to discuss is dr. kavita patel, msnbc medical contributor and former white house policy director under the obama administration. dr. patel, it's great to see you as always. thanks for joining us on this. so. when i saw this come through, we talked about this so many times, we both have young kids, i thought, yay, amazing, but then i paused and thought about the timing of all this because one of the reasons why essentially this process was put on hold around christmas or so was because there wasn't enough evidence to suggest a two-dose regimen for children under the age of 5 actually protected them against covid. so, why now? why would they be applying for an eua for two doses when there isn't enough evidence to support the fact that it's actually a protectant? >> yeah, so, i think a couple of things. number one, we have data from 6 months to 2 years that does show

it achieves the level of antibodies we would expect so it really is, as you point out, yasmin, that 2 to 4-year age range. that's a very important one as we've talked about so i think that what's happened since then is one. omicron. we've had an incredible surge, which has resulted in some of the highest numbers of cases in children under the age of 5, particularly hospitalized children. and i just want to kind of highlight this fact. some people say, well, not that many children get hospitalized. yes, that's true, compared to who? adults. but why should we accept any hospitalization if it can be prevented? so, the thinking here is that the first two shots, at least in the 2 to 4 age group, as well as under 2, would give you enough protection likely against clinical disease. we're all waiting to see some of the detailed data, but i have a hunch that that's what we'll see when the data gets surfaced in the next week. >> okay, so, let's break it down then. 2 to 4, right? if i get my kid, who's 3 years old, vaccinated, if this gets eua, does this vaccine provide

him any protection? with two shots? >> yeah, so, this is the question. correct. so, we know the fact that the fda itself kind of pushed and nudged pfizer to put in the application, it just tells me, knowing how the fda works, they're very conservative. they didn't compromise kind of what they're doing, but there must have been incredible clinical data. remember, in the trial was about 1,700 children in that 6-month to 4-year age group, so we know that there were children in the control group that went through omicron. of course, these children, what they did, they compared their antibody levels to older children or to adolescents and young adults, and the safety profile was there, but that initial data in december said that it wasn't the same level of antibodies that they would have expected, but that's just in the lab, and then we have the real-world of an omicron surge and we had thousands of children in that trial who were tested with these clinical diseases,

virus, et cetera, and i suspect what we will see is an answer, yasmin, that says, those first two shots protect against disease and hospitalization and death, and then there is this wild card for the 2 to 4 age group of a third shot so the idea is get your 2-year-old, get your 3-year-old, get your 4-year-old started on the vaccine course, dose one, three weeks later, dose two, two months later, possibly dose three, but why not get that started, especially if we know this is a safe vaccine. >> got it. >> but i think this conversation you and i are having is going to make parents confused and some will likely be hesitant or skeptical and wait and that's the unfortunate outcome. >> yeah. so, okay, that's my last question to you, which is this kind of vaccine hesitancy we know across the board, obviously, within adults but when it comes to kids, that vaccine hesitancy is sky high now, 29% of parents saying they're going to wait and see, and i have spoken to friends that are fully vaccinated themselves still waiting to get their young children vaccinated, even though they are proponents

of the vaccine in general. so, what do you do? how do you get these young kids vaccinated with so much hesitancy? what do you say to them? what do you say to them, dr. patel? >> yeah, this is playing out in real life, and friends and patients and parents i see. so here's what i tell people. the more opportunity you have to safely protect your child, especially, yasmin, as so many of the country is discussing states and cities taking away mask requirements, some places have no mask requirements so if you think about it, the most vulnerable people left will be unvaccinated children or unvaccinated adults, so we know that if you do not get your child vaccinated as masks come off, as restrictions come off, you are an open target. we're still going to have coronavirus circulating, and there may be other variants that are even more infectious than omicron. we need to be able to find ways to protect our children. vaccines are going to be the safest way. we have had 10 billion doses go out across the world, and we have seen the safety profile. it's safe and hopefully clinically effective vaccine.

>> anecdotally, my e.p. is going to yell at me but my older child got to go swimming with my husband because he is vaccinated and this public pool was only allowing people that are vaccinated inside. my 3-year-old really wanted to go swimming. he's like, i'm vaccinated, screaming at both of us. i'm vaccinated. and i thought, wow, this is where we are now. my 3-year-old being aware of his vaccine status. by the way, he's not vaccinated, and he was dead wrong. he just wanted to go swimming. dr. kavita patel, great to talk to you. job numbers are up. covid cases, down. can president biden capitalize on a positive week? can president biden capitalize can president biden capitalize on a positive weekian living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes and lower your a1c.

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announce the news to his third grade class. watch this. >> today this announcement is that my dad was picked to be the flag bearer of the united states. >> shuster carried out his duties with style at the opening ceremonies along with speed skater brittany beau. and we wish him well, best of luck. let's talk politics now and the midterms as we are approaching the midterm just a few months away. democrats are working to keep control. the president seemed to be making positive political headwinds after suffering from legislation failures and low poll numbers. the january jobs report was a welcome surprise as more than 460,000 jobs were added.

and the surge in covid cases from the omicron variant seems to be, and i should say seems to be, slowing down. back with me, susan dell percent persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on thisp persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on thise persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on thisr persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on thisc persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on thise persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on thisn persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on thist persio. and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on this . and so let's start with just how do democrats now seize on this moment and run with it. as we started the year off, there was certainly this conversation surrounding the fact that the president had these low polling numbers, "build back better" was dead, voting rights was dead as well. so some failed legislative measures. but now there is momentum it seems for the democratic party. >> i'll say there is the first steps of momentum building, right? and this momentum they will have to sustain through november. and so when they are talking about these historic numbers, whether it is job creation or historic potential for the forthcoming nomination of the

first black woman to the supreme court, it is something that they need to continuously beat the drum on. so even though all of this happened this past week, they need to continuously emphasize this to the public because that is critical in helping them low the ennews enthusiasm gap. and when we talk about omicron cases dropping down, emphasize the fact that there is still work do and making sure that people are vaccinated and boosted. and when they talk about unemployment numbers, recognize the impact of inflation and recognize the fact that people are industrial struggling to make ends meet. but this is positive trends that will have a positive impact on our economy and on those bills that you mentioned, making sure that they are working to pass some provisions of "build back better," to pass some provisions of voter suppression. because those two things are critical on biden's to-do list

and they will expect some type of movement on going into the midterms as well. >> so susan, wendy makes a lot of good points and it is coming down to communication. and we have talked about the communication breakdown when it comes to the democratic party and they have to seize on these moments and they haven't necessarily done just that. so picking up where she left off as we kind of take a look at the democratic party, do you think that they are doing a successful job in communicating kind of their wins and the reasonings for some of their quote/unquote losses for instance as we look at the speech from the president yesterday as he touted those huge jobs numbers and those gains obviously from november and december as well, did he do a successful enough job in also talking about how that they will correct inflation and bridge that gap? >> the inflation is a really difficult one because the president really doesn't have a lot of direct control over that. it really goes to the fed. but the messaging has to be out there constantly. you can't just speak like he

did -- the president did yesterday, you have to speak like that every day you are out there. and whenyou about falling poll numbers, our country is so divided, it will be very difficult to see the president go much before 47%, 48%. so i would say that the democratiss running in 2022 need to give people their message.det ss running in 2022 need to give people their message. running i people their message. >> make it local. thank you bothdemocrats running to give people their message. >> make it local. thank you both. appreciate you sticking with us. that wraps it up with me. i'll be back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. "politics nation" starts after a quick break. p.m "politics nation" starts after a quick break. redefine who we are and how we want to lead our lives.

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good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, trials and tribulations. it is the first show of the black history month and i'm excited that by the end of this february, we could know the name of our first black female supreme court nominee. but i remain concerned as ever about the state of the nation