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judiciary committee with bizarre expectations for biden's supreme court pick, a reminder president biden pledged to nominate a policewoman woman. kennedy said he had two main criteria. he requested a nominee that number one reportedly requested a nominee that, number one, knows a law book from a j. crew catalog. and number two, someone who's not going to try to rewrite the constitution every other thursday to advance a woke agenda. let's put kennedy's obvious sexism aside for a moment and focus on the second priority here. someone who won't advance a woke agenda. so, he's afraid of a democratic appointee pushing a partisan policy. well, if the senator from louisiana is so terrified of a politicized court, then i'm sure he is down right disgusted to find out what went down in florida yesterday. on friday, supreme court justice
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neil gorsuch took the stage at a banquet hosted by the federalist society. at this point i would show you a sound bite of justice gorsuch's comments or remarks. but sadly, i can't do that. why? because the media was barred from listening in. doesn't sound shady at all, right, senator? in case you forgot, the federalist society is a highly influential organization for conservatives and libertarian lawyers. it has served as a vetting pipeline for many republican judicial choices, including gorsuch himself. if you're doubting just how political this event was, other speakers including former vice president mike pence, ron desantis, kayleigh mcenany. it's not a who's who of bipartisan politicians from both sides of the political divide, is it? does that speaker's list sound like a non-partisan organization
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to you. senator kennedy, while you seem to be spending time and energy on the impartiality of a future justice, wouldn't your time be better spent worried about one already on the bench. you've earned our hypocrisy hot take of the week. coming up, donald trump's loves saying the quiet part out loud. will he ever learn? i'll ask my saturday night panel about that and more. plus, a wild week in florida, as the federalist society hosts their annual conference. the speakers of who's there and the ones who shouldn't be there. then, love him or hate him, everyone has something to say about tom brady. but i'm going to share my thoughts about the greatest of all time. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪♪ gold finger?
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dr. no? moon raker? or donald trump? >> do you expect me to talk? >> no, mr. bond. i expect you to die. there is nothing you can talk to me about that i don't already know. >> the former president is giving classic bond villains a run for their money as he hides his crimes in plain sight for all the world to see. he may not have a license to kill, but he is taking a thunderbolt to diplomacy, justice, and our entire political system. in a classic villain trope, trump spent the week saying the quiet part out loud, revealing his master plan during a campaign-style rally proclaiming if he wins in 2024, he'll consider pardoning those charged over the january 6th insurrection. it's a familiar plot. he's done it plenty of times before for his criminal companions. it's even something that robert mueller brought up,
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incentivizing bad behavior with a get out of jail free card. but the buck didn't stop at potential witness tampering. he implored his minions to take to the streets in cities like new york and georgia if prosecutors in those states who are investigating his businesses take action against him, fighting legitimate judicial process with mob rule. and then, of course, there was this week's gotcha moment, where trump decided to openly admit that his plot from january 6th was to overturn the election, releasing a tweet disguised as a presidential statement saying mike pence could have overturned the election. of course, it didn't sit well then and surely isn't sitting well now with his side kick. >> president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone. and, frankly, there is no idea more un-american than the notion any one person could choose the
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american president. >> soon he'll no doubt learn it's a case of cross donald trump if you dare because this villain has big backing like the rnc who voted to censure representatives liz cheney and adam kinzinger because of their work investigating the attack on the capitol. instead, republicans deeming the insurrection legitimate political discourse. it has been a ticking time bomb for cheney and kinzinger, as the gop looks to exact their revenge on them, trump's crimes not only on full display but fully endorsed by the republican party. it will take a skyfall for the gop to turn against their criminal mastermind. we got lots to dig into. let's bring our all star panel. kimberly atkins stohr, "boston globe" columnist also msnbc political analysis. and josh gondelman, comedian, writer, and coexecutive producer.
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it's great to have all of you back with us on this program. to keep on with the theme of villains, i want to keep on with this game of who said it first, trump or a movie villain? here's the quote. the point is, you can never be too greedy. i'll start with you, josh. who said it, trump or a villain? >> i mean, trump or a villain is kind of -- you know, that's a fun dichotomy to have to take. i would consider him pretty villainous even without a laser to destroy the moon. but it feels like it is gordon gecko from "wall street." >> hayes? >> i'm in the same boat as josh. i really got to say that it's movie villain. that's my guess. final answer. >> kimberly? >> i'll just be contrarian here and say trump. >> kimberly, you're right, it is trump. it is trump. that was just a -- it feels like an easy one to start with, but kimberly, you're right.
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it is him. i mean, this guy has the ability to say things like, my supporters can go on fifth avenue, shoot someone, and they'll get away with it because that's how much they love trump. i mean, that tells you how much of a villain he is. let's talk about january 6 for a moment, kimberly. a lot of republican voters still believe that this insurrection was a bad thing. so, isn't this idea of pardons just going to put people off within the republican party? or has donald trump reinvented the narrative around january 6th that he can get away with saying he wants to pardon people that were involved in an attempted coup in this country? >> well, what i think has happened is that it's not just donald trump at this point, right? it is the position of the republican party writ large that january 6 was nothing to see here. we see that with the rnc's decision to -- to reprimand the
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two republican members of the january 6 committee who are doing nothing but their jobs. so this is beyond donald trump. i do -- i think that it is important that we do talk about his actions both relating to january 6 and everything since that he has done since to continue to push the big lie, but i don't think we should act as if this is one man alone doing this. the republican party has not only embraced trump fully, it continues to embrace trumpism, which includes pushing lies to create this falsity to try to convince voters there was fraud in this election and damage democracy in the process. >> yeah, you bring up a really good point, and some would argue embracing trumpism is more dangerous than the republicans embracing trump, the man. hayes, what about pence's comments here? what does it mean for the republican party and the voter base? is there a division or is that much ado about nothing? i don't know if you saw our earlier conversation we were having, but essentially i was making the point that, look, mike pence, you know, on january
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6 essentially did what he said just yesterday. i have no idea why it took him an entire year to say it, and i'm not sure that what he says now actually has any bearing given the fact that for the last year trump was able to run rampant with his lie. >> yeah. so, pence, he said exactly what he did on january 6, which is i don't have the power to overturn the election. what's different about this time around is he was willing to call out trump by name and say, no, again, my guy, i do not have the ability to overturn the election. you, mr. former president, i'm talking to you. that's the biggest difference, that he's willing to say this so directly. but if you listen to his speech, one of the things that's interesting, we're giving him so much praise for saying that part that he's been saying. but at other parts of the speech, he's still alluding to the basis of the big lie, which is that there was fraud and
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irregularity within the election. and that is still the baseline of the republican party at this point. that's the basis of the legitimate political discourse that rnc was referring to. they wanted to be the case that everything that the trump campaign and all of trump's advisers, et cetera, did in the aftermath of the 2020 election, making people less certain about the election, the gathering of fake electors who would sign forms, the lead-up to january 6th, all the rallies. they're saying this was all legitimate, all politics as normal -- which clearly it wasn't -- it was all part of an overarching process to keep trump in power. that is the really dangerous part here. kudos to pence for saying it so directly this time that he could not overturn the election. i'm glad that we have senators
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working to try to fix the electoral count act, but he's still not, you know, firmly saying, yeah, this was a clean, fair election. sol, so, everybody is saying so. that was not pence's message. >> so josh, which of these is the most concerning to you, the pardons offered by president trump, the censures, or the call to arms over these legal cases from the republican party, or is it the plot that we have learned more about to seize voting machines or plant fake electors? i mean, the list can go on and on. >> this is quite a buffet to choose from. i think, to me, the scariest part is you mentioned -- you called this, saying the quiet part out loud. but it's no longer the quiet part, right? when you keep saying it, it's just the loud part now. nobody's ever, like, oh, i can't believe john bon jovi is singing "livin' on a prayer" out loud again. like, this is what he does. this is what they say. no one's ever like pat sajak is really giving the game away. there's no attempt to disguise it because this is becoming --
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as the panel said, this is becoming the party line. >> yes. kimberly, why are we seeing cheney and kinzinger being targeted here but not pence after yesterday? do you think that could change? people like mitt romney have been vocal against the former president. i believe he voted to convict him twice in both of his impeachment trials. he didn't get censured. >> yeah, but listen, we saw the video of him coming within moments of being confronted with these insurrectionists that stormed that building. look, these four individuals that we're talking about, including mike pence, have not been within trump's inner circle, certainly not in the last year. the three of them, they really never have fully -- we saw romney sort of try to walk a line and play a weird game of distance footsie with trump for a little while, and he saw that didn't work out for him. and that gave him the ability to
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take a firmer stance against him. but these aren't the people that the republicans see as republicans. they're seeing it has somebody who is anti-trump. and so i think that mike pence trying to rebuke trump in a way but still embrace trumpism to some extent is exactly what he did for four years while he was in the white house. we saw, as vice president, him standing behind donald trump gazing at him and nodding at everything that he said and did for four years. so, just the fact that when it all came down to him and the buck stopped with him and also when his life was in danger on that day, on january 6, now he's speaking out on that front. but i don't think that suddenly gives him a political future. i think he's trying to protect his political future in the way he's doing it. but i don't see where there's room within this republican party for him to have a future. >> all right. australia panel, stick with us. we have a lot more to discuss. next, mike pence wasn't the only one making headlines at this year's federalist society conference in florida. former miami dolphins head
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coach brian flores is shining a light on racial discrimination in the nfl. but first, richard lui is here with the headlines. hey, richard. >> good evening. some stories we're watching for you this hour, the mayor of minneapolis put a halt to no-knock warrants friday after the fatal shooting of amir locke. locke was a 22-year-old black man. he was legally armed. he was lying on a couch when police busted in an apartment on a no-knock warrant. under the new moratorium, officers will have to execute a warrant with a knock and announce approach now. the 2022 olympics will be the last competition for snowboarding champion shaun white. he confirmed this today. white holds three olympic gold medals. he recently struggled with knee and back issues, though. he said this was a very sad and a surreal moment, but really joyous as well. a powerful winter storm hit the southern plains to the northeast on friday. tens of thousands woke up to no power and dangerous icy conditions. bitterly cold temperatures all weekend are expected. more "ayman" with ayman
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i don't know if there is something in the water, but governor ron desantis started radiating toxic levels of florida man energy this week. during his speech at the federalist society on friday in between rants about illegal immigration and obamacare, desantis proudly proclaimed that freedom was the guiding principle of his pandemic
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strategy. not data, not science, freedom. after two years of this pandemic, is there still not one thing we can agree on? i don't even know where to begin, but unfortunately we still have the panel with us to break it all down. hayes, i'll start with you. desantis actually took to the stage right after mike pence. he touted this freedom default as the cornerstone of his pandemic strategy. and i want to talk about that and how florida has fared through covid-19. the answer, not well. florida has a staggering number of both hospitalizations and deaths. >> yeah. and i -- part of me still wonders why on earth ron desantis, who is a politician, is invited to speak at the federalist society to talk in conversation with a former white house press secretary, none of it about the law. but if you want to give him some sort of credit, i mean, ron
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desantis is speaking to the right audience about freedom being the basis of his pandemic strategy, the idea that certain individual liberties are much more important than whatever public health benefits would come from actually using the law and using government structures to actually prevent further deaths. that's a position. it's a terrible position in my personal opinion. but it's certainly the right room to make that position to. i mean, ron desantis is there because he wants to be in well with the federalist society because they have been king-makers in terms of conservative -- with conservative judiciaries in the last four years, especially under donald trump. and he wants to be president some day. so he's saying all the right things to the right people, but in doing so he's ignoring the fact that his policies have led, as you said, to a terrible track record with covid. i mean, the idea that you can put individual liberty as the baseline over preventing death
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on a large scale, it feels morally like that's a terrible choice, let alone legally. but this is where ron desantis wound up, i suppose. >> yeah, and it's a weird place for him to be. we're going to talk a little bit more about him later on in the program. kimberly, this federalist society conference, i've got to say, it's making a lot of headlines in just the last 24 hours or so. we have desantis' remarks, mike pence's comments, but i thought one of the more interesting things was neil gorsuch, justice neil gorsuch, deciding to give or agreeing to give a speech there that i should note closed-door, no media allowed, at this openly political conservative organization. and it begs the question, what do you make of that given all the recent republican talking points about how biden's scotus nominee shouldn't be too progressive or political and they want someone as justice kennedy was saying, rewrite the constitution and be political?
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>> and nobody is trying to claim that the supreme court should not be viewed as political louder than the supreme court justices themselves. but you're absolutely right, ayman. the fact that a justice is appearing and speaking to an activist group -- it's made up of lawyers, but it is by all measure an activist group -- in the first place is problematic. now, do the more liberal justices speak at other organizations like american constitution society on the left? yes. but you also have justices that refuse to do either because they realize that it's a bad look. but on top of that, to bar the press -- i have been, as a reporter, covering federalist society events and speeches many times. the press is usually never barred. i don't put the bad on the federalist society. it was neil gorsuch who decided
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to keep the press out. and i think that it is a terrible look for the u.s. supreme court justice to speak to an activist group behind closed doors, specifically in a way that the american people can't see. and so if they complain about the way the supreme court is viewed as political, i believe that they have themselves to blame. >> yeah. and you bring up a really interesting point. what is it that justice gorsuch is going to say to this highly partisan, highly conservative group that he does not want the rest of the country to know? it is just absolutely unacceptable. it's one thing to speak to them, but if you're confident what you're going to say is not political, then say it to the rest of the country, not just to a small section of it. josh, let's go back to ron desantis for a moment. he was given a layup of a question. i'm sure you're aware there's been this rash of neo-nazis demonstrations in florida recently. desantis was asked about them, just basically asked to react to them. as my colleague noted, it was just a slam dunk of a statement
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that he could simply condemn them. but watch how he responded. >> please respond to the nazi demonstration in orlando over the weekend. >> so what i'm going to say is these people, these democrats who are trying to use this as some type of political issue to try to smear me as if i had something to do with it, we're not playing their game. >> doesn't look like he's playing their game, but at the same time missing the opportunity to condemn neo-nazis in your state. it sounds to me, john, like he's taking a page out of donald trump's "very fine people on both sides" charlottesville playbook here. >> yeah. i mean, it's so easy to condemn nazis. you don't even have to talk about whether they like him or not. just go, oh, there's nazis, that's bad. if i see someone doing a nazi salute wearing a tiny mustache at a rally, i would say screw those guys. i wouldn't wait to see if they
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were charlie chaplain super-fans greeting each other from a distance. i would condemn them first and then apologize if it turned out they were suffering from shoulder pain and their facial hair was an homage to that one hanes ad where michael jordan made that unfortunate choice. look, i don't think ron desantis is a nazi, of course, but i'm pretty sure he's counting on every nazi in florida to vote for him next time he runs for president or for governor. so, even if he's not a sympathizer, it's clear from his non-condemnation he would like the neo-nazis to be ron desantis sympathizers. >> it's unbelievable that he just could not simply condemn them in that moment and move on. but here he is just trying to make it about political theater. and here we are talking about it days later because he just couldn't simply condemn it. on the other side you have rudy giuliani who was unfortunately revealed this week as one of the participants on "the masked singer," scarring all of us, i think, for the rest of our adult lives. this man, who has so openly
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embraced, in my opinion, fascist tactics to undermine american democracy. what is wrong with entertainment companies and production companies in this country to try and do this once again with somebody like rudy giuliani, a man who attempted to overturn our election in the same way that we saw a company do with sean spicer, a man who lied to the american people from the white house? >> let's not forget, before there was rudy giuliani on "the masked singer," there was sarah palin. the producers were like, how could we possibly top that? who could we get to cause people to tune in, and somehow they landed on rudy giuliani. does rudy have pipes and we just don't know it? i guess we're going to find out, like, question mark. i'm horribly embarrassed about how curious about what song rudy giuliani performed. i'm glad -- spoiler alert -- he gets kicked off first. it wasn't a very good
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performance. so, at least we have that going for us that, yes, rudy giuliani was invited on to try to launder his reputation, much as he has tried to launder lies through the court saying donald trump won the election. but much like the courts, he got his stuff back into his face and i'm sure that we're going to see many, many clips of him being kicked off the show when that episode airs. i am very curious to see what the ratings look like. and i really -- i just -- how do you get to rudy? who's going through their phone rolodex -- i mean, like, ah, i got giuliani's number. we should call him. >> kimberly, your thought on this? how do you take someone like rudy giuliani and try to, as hayes was staying, launder his image or repurpose his image by day overthrowing our democracy, by night singing to millions of americans in front of their tv? >> i think it's an example of the maxim that we began this hour with from donald trump that it's about greed.
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i think the -- if the company thought -- if the show thought they could get ratings and advertising dollars from this stunt action they were willing to take that chance on it. but it's really horrifying that people who participated in such a clear and well-documented way to try to undermine the very nature -- the nation's democracy can be given this kind of treatment, it's -- i thought it was an onion article when i saw it at first. it's really -- there are few things that shock me, but that's one of them. >> all right. hayes brown, kimberly atkins stohr, thank you so much for joining us this evening. greatly appreciate it. enjoyed your insights. josh gondelman, stick around. we got one more with you. coming up, people around the globe are talking about tom brady's retirement. i'm going to share my thoughts on the greatest of all time next. time next
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the world paid tribute to a once-in-a-generation athlete when tom brady announced his retirement from football on tuesday after 22 seasons in the nfl. we all know about his super bowls and passing records. but i'm not here to tell you about what he accomplished on the field. instead, let's look at how what he did there reached the far corners of the world. and for decades american football has been massively popular here in the states but has famously failed to find its footing internationally. superstars like terry bradshaw, jerry rice, mean joe green, may be known to the average american, but not on the streets of london, sydney, or sao paulo, brazil. it wasn't until a kid from san
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mateo, california, made it so. back when he first entered the league, he wasn't picked first, second, or third. he was picked 199th after days of emotional waiting. his name was finally called when the new england patriots took a chance on the young kid and gave him a spot on the bench. just a year and a half later, the kid who had failed to impress any scouts and had almost walked away for good was leading the patriots to their first ever super bowl in 2001. and that was just the beginning. within a few years he was the face of the nfl, but he still didn't let anything take his focus away from the game. he was the consummate pro, a poised and mature leader whose teammates looked up to and rallied around. in fact, when the patriots became linked to scandals, brady always kept his head high and chose to respond on the field with ring after ring after ring. even when it seemed impossible to get behind the guy after an old friendship with donald trump
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became widely known, brady had all of us laughing at the former president when his buccaneers team visited president biden at the white house last year. watch. >> but we found our rhythm, we got on a roll. not a lot of people, you know, think that we could have won, and i think 40% of the people still don't know think we won. you understand that, mr. president? >> i understand that. >> yeah. >> but brady's legacy actually goes beyond the u.s. in fact, during his career, brady took trips to places like ghana, china, qatar, connecting with new fans around the world. to this day the patriots remain the league's most popular team abroad. and you'll see blue number 12 jerseys all over europe. in brazil, brady's treated like royalty, as the husband of supermodel gisele bundchen. this week tributes from fans in mexico, england, denmark, and australia have been pouring in to honor the legendary quarterback. athletes from around the globe
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a former miami dolphins head coach, brian flores, is the changing conversation around race in sports after filing a discrimination lawsuit against the nfl. flores, who is black, was fired by the dolphins last month, but quickly became a top coaching candidate. he lined up an interview with the new york giants but claims it was simply for show solely to satisfy the nfl's rooney rule, which requires that each team interview a minority candidate for all of its top positions. but the nfl and new york giants have denied these allegations. flores spoke with reverend al sharpton earlier about why this suit matters. watch. >> representation matters. there's just a lack of representation for black and minority coaches and executives and just representation in leadership positions as a whole in the national football league. and that's got to change. this -- this lawsuit isn't about me. it's about that lack of representation. it's about the people and the generations that are going to come behind me. >> so far this off season five
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nfl head coaches have been hired. all of them are white. let's discuss this with terrance moore, national sports columnist for "forbes" and author of "the real hank aaron." great to have all of you. flores did something a lot of people didn't think was possible, he turned the miami dolphins around from a failing franchise to a team that nearly made the playoffs this year. yet he was fired. he's now taking on a very powerful organization in the nfl. let me play for you just a little bit of what he said to my colleague, reverend al. >> it's hard to step out against the national football league for a lot of reasons. number one being, we love to coach. i love to coach. and you're putting that in jeopardy when you -- when you challenge the national football league. but it's bigger than -- it's
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bigger than football. it's bigger than me. >> all right. so, he is putting his entire career in jeopardy, as he says there, to try to address this problem. i want to know what you think, the effect of what he is doing may have on the sport if nothing else, could it force changes to this meaningless rooney rule, toothless rule? >> i'll start with something nobody else is talking about. little quick history here. jimmy "the greek" schneider, okay? jimmy "the greek" snyder was an nfl analyst for cbs back in the day, '70s and '80s. he was huge. in january of 1988, he gets fired. i'll bet you all the people out there when they heard he got fired by cbs, you're going to say, oh, yeah, he got fired was because he said the reason black athletes were so great was because of their big mothers and their big thighs going back to
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slavery and being bred that way. that is not why he got fired in january of 1988. i worked for the "atlanta constitution" back then. i wrote the reason he really got fired and caught hell for it, and that is in the rest of that interview, he was asked why at the time there were no black head coaches in the nfl, no black people in management in general throughout sports. and his response was very telling. he says, it's because if we give those jobs to the blacks, there wouldn't be anything left for whites to do. that's what we're dealing with here. and people have it all wrong. it's not that the nfl or society in general don't think these black coaches can't do it, they're afraid that they can. and to continue that analogy, about a week or so after jimmy "the creek" made that statement in january of '88, i was there in the stadium when doug williams became first black quarterback to win the super bowl. at that time it was all this stuff out there that blacks couldn't play quarterback, again, all wrong.
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they were afraid -- the powers that be -- that blacks would play football. and we see the results of that now. so let's get that straight before we go anywhere else. this is all about the fear factor. this is 70% of the nfl is black players. if you start giving the jobs to the black coaches, there's going to be a problem. >> yeah, i want to draw on a little bit of history myself as well. i want to play this clip from a video that's gone viral this week. it's from 1987. it's a "nightline" interview ted koppel did with an executive about the mlb's lack of diversity in management as well. >> there are a lot of black players. there are a lot of great black baseball men who would dearly love to be in managerial positions. what do you think it is? do you think there is still so much prejudice in baseball today? >> i don't believe it's prejudice. i believe they may not have some of the necessities to be, let's
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say, a field manager or perhaps a general manager. how many pitchers do you have that are black? >> but i mean, i got to tell you, that sounds like the same kind of garbage we were hearing 40 years ago about players. >> that was 1987, and 40 years later, are we still seeing the same kind of garbage from the nfl? has nothing changed about why we are not seeing a league that has a tremendous amount of black talent at all levels continue to rise in the ranks of organizations? >> i wouldn't say necessarily that nothing has changed, but it's the same token by a different name, right? we have this conversation as the point was previously made about black quarterbacks not having the football iq. now we're having the conversation about why we don't have enough black head coaches, which we've been having for 20 years now. and it really does come down to an idea that black men and women are not smart enough, maybe, to lead these teams in the ways
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that we deem -- that we deem fit. i do want to point out, though, that as the clip that you just played was about baseball, we've also seen this dearth in basketball as well. i mean, the nba is one of the most progressive leagues we have, and we still don't have enough black gms and enough black head coaches in any of these leagues. one of the things that brian flores did in his lawsuit, which was incredibly brave, was to make recommendations about how we could actually fix the rooney rule to this end. it's not just about equal opportunity and equal outcome. it's about equal chances of actually having the same kinds of -- the same kinds of status and the same kinds of delineation being lent to your own role. and there's an expertise there that needs to be acknowledged, and it's not right now. >> staying on the nfl for a moment, some other big news from the nfl this week. after 18 months, the washington football team, josh, now has a
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new team and a logo. they will officially be known as the washington commanders. it's hard to say with a straight face, i know. but back in november while the search was still ongoing, one of the team's star young players, chase young, was actually asked what grade would you give the team if they chose the name commanders. he literally gave them an "f." that was before they actually did that. what grade would you give it? what name would you have selected? >> i'm going to go with kind of a "c." this is an average name, right? commanders, it's got kind of a military connotation. you picture someone in a headset. it's like a non-descript and i think inoffensive in any way. since the team plays in washington, it should be something that has to do with the local culture. i was thinking maybe the washington disillusionment with the legislative process.
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but that's just me. i'm not a professional football analyst. >> i thought you would have gone with the washington filibusters myself. that would have been my pick. terrance, what grade do you give the name commanders? what do you make of this? >> i mean, a flat "f." whoever came up with this should've been fired on the spot. listen, when the washington football team was here in atlanta this season, i went around the stands and had tons of redskins fans out there -- or washington football team fans, i should say. and they all wanted either red wolves, hogs, red tails, they didn't say commanders. this is ridiculous. it's better than the old, old name, which was racist, but the commanders? i mean, took them seven minutes to think this up. >> i'm surprised they didn't go with the red tails. i think i've seen a few people say red tails would be a nod to the heroism of the black air
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force members who fought during the wars, but at the same time a tribute to the military which seemed was on the minds of the washington organization. we'll see how it goes. thank you very much. greatly appreciate your insights this evening. up next, how china's fake snow solution is actually making things worse for olympians. things worse for olympiansizati. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ like pulsing, electric shocks, sharp, stabbing pains, or an intense burning sensation. what is this nightmare? it's how some people describe... shingles. a painful, blistering rash that could interrupt your life for weeks. forget social events and weekend getaways. if you've had chickenpox, the virus that causes shingles is already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles.
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all right. so, the beijing winter olympics kicked off this week. and, as i'm sure you know by now, it is already riddled with controversy. there's the growth authoritarianism in the chinese government of course. there's the horrific mass incarcerations of uighur muslims, persistent concerns around the spread of covid-19. and now the very snow itself is a story. in an olympic first, this year's games will feature virtually 100% artificial snow. yes, you heard that correctly. the biathlon, the nordic combined, the freestyle skiing events, all of them will be held on fake manmade snow.
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if a headline like that unnerves you, well, just wait. because as "the new york times" put it, china did not move mountains to host the 2022 winter olympic games, but it did flood a dry river bed, diverted water from a key reservoir that supplies beijing, and resettled hundreds of farmers and their families, all to feed one of the most extensive snow-making operations in the history of the games. now, this was a monumental project, one that was incredibly resource intensive. the international olympic committee estimates that some 49 million gallons of water were needed to cover the entire competition area. to put that in perspective, that's enough water to fill 74 olympic-sized swimming pools. then you have to consider all of the energy that goes into operating around the clock hundreds and hundreds of snow generators and snowmaking guns. it's an ecological travesty.
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and as the cherry on top, the athletes now say that the artificial snow is often significantly more dangerous to compete on. naturally, all of this raises the question. why? why are we holding the winter games in a country that does not have natural snow? this on top of all the other scandals that are looming over the beijing games just makes the entire affair look farcical. if authoritarianism doesn't disqualify a country from hosting the olympics, if egregious human rights abuses are not a certain, and if having actual snow on the ground for athletes is no longer a requirement, then why not just hold the next winter games in the deserts of saudi arabia? why not? seriously. all right. thank you very much for making time for us. come back tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern on msnbc where you can catch my full interview with president biden's special envoy to iran, rob malley. we're going to discuss whether there's still time to revive the iran nuclear deal. plus stick around after sunday's show when msnbc films presents
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