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the international crisis and what putin wants. in washington, to a former president donald trump's former attorneys are scheduled to talk to the january six committee this week. apparently, one of them actually plans on talking. and turning on their own, more backlash and infighting at the gop after the party came down hard on representatives adam kinzinger and liz cheney. >> this democratic republic is at a precipice of survival or collapse. and it is shameful. >> plus, it is being called the make murder legal bill. the fierce debate in missouri that has republicans on one side, and law enforcement groups on the other. and the historic declaration from queen elizabeth, the unprecedented step from the british monarch that is dividing brits, as she celebrates her diamond jubilee. good morning, everybody. it is sunday, february 6th. good to be with, you i am lindsey reiser. and we have a team of reporters and analysts following the latest for you right now from

michigan to florida, to buckingham palace, to ukraine. we are going to begin with striking new details about russia's military capabilities, amid this tense standoff at the ukraine border. we are learning that russia has assembled 70% of the forces it would need to mount a full invasion, according to a u.s. intelligence report. officials also warned that a large scale invasion of ukraine could result in 50,000 civilians killed or wounded, and up to 5 million refugees. as for the timing of a potential invasion? american intel suggests putin is unlikely to move until the second half of february. the ground is still frozen, and not ideal for moving around heavy military equipment. the sobering assessment which russia has dismissed as quote, madness and scaremongering comes as the first 2000 newly deployed u.s. troops arrive in germany and poland. for more on this, we are joined by msnbc news reporter, erin

mclaughlin in kyiv. so, how concerned are ukrainians right now about really how catastrophic or an imminent invasion could be? >> hey, lindsey. we get to hear from ukrainian government officials on that start intelligence assessment. i have been speaking to ordinary ukrainians over here in kyiv, they are very concerned about the situation. earlier this morning, on the outskirts of the city, i was watching as ordinary citizens, young and old were participating in military training, learning how to operate weaponry, learning how to administer first aid, how to evacuate the wounded. all in the event of a russian invasion. they say they are prepared to defend their homeland across the capital, they are dusting off old cold war era bomb shelters, bomb shelters originally built to protect from the threat of american nuclear attack. now, being used to protect in the event of a russian invasion.

we are speaking to one of the men responsible for preparing some bomb shelters over here in kyiv. they say they simply cannot believe it, that this was the situation, it is surreal, take a listen. [interpreter] i just can't believe this is happening. i have many friends in russia, and i think the russian people are very friendly towards the ukrainian people. unfortunately, some politicians are forcing our people to suffer. it is very insulting. [end of translation] >> now, that stark u.s. intelligence assessment includes new details about the exact movements of russian military forces around the ukrainian border. it is believed that russia has 83 battalion tactical groups around ukraine, up from 60 just two weeks ago, with 14 battalion tactical groups believed to still be in transit.

there are now 110,000 troops, amassed on three sides of the ukrainian border, building to 150,000 troops, according to this intelligence assessment. these forces include hundreds of russian fighter jets, bombers as well as short range ballistic missiles. according to this assessment, they are also planning nuclear exercises. russia is planning nuclear exercises from mid february, moving those exercises from the fall, the last time they will be scheduled with those exercise of was 2014. now, this assessment does note that it has believed that russian president vladimir putin has yet to make a decision on this. there are other limited options as well, available to him. noting though, the window for diplomacy is narrowing, lindsey? >> erin maclachlan, with some stunning development over, including the fact that ukrainians are readying their bomb shelters. thank you so much for that reporting, live on the ground in kyiv. for more on this escalating standoff, in ukraine, we are joined now by former deputy

assistant secretary of state, joel reuben. joel, good morning, thanks for being with us. what do you make of this u.s. intelligence assessment that russia has 70% of what they need for a full scale invasion? and then this report from the ap that says yet just yesterday, russia sent a pair of long range nuclear capable bombers on patrol over belarus. is the window of the diplomacy narrowing, as aaron was saying? >> well, lindsey, clearly this is the moment where the threat of war is the highest it has been in months. and vladimir putin is demonstrating that he has content to continue to raise the pressure, potentially invade ukraine and by using these exercises, sending a warning shot to the west that he has other capabilities if you want to put those on the table. so it is a very muscular signal being sent by putin. clearly, it is in response to the pressure from the white house, pressure from europe. isolating from them, diplomatically, telling him that he can't just invade

illegally a democratic ally like ukraine. i should note, he does have one friend, and that is china, this is true. he is now there in china, looking for support and help. because he understands that if he does invade, they will be punishing sanctions on russia which will hurt him an economy directly. >> on that note, a bipartisan group of senators is reportedly close to a deal on sanctions. let's listen to what congresswoman susan wild said yesterday on msnbc. >> i do think that the sanctions that the u.s. has threatened against russia can be effective, even with them having kind of a cooperation from china. we have got the ability to cut off the technologies to russia, cut off their export market. that is something that i don't think putin is going to, i don't think he is going to consider that in any kind of diminished way. >> joel, you just mentioned the russia china partnership.

i mean, in spite of that, could sanctions still be affected in a possible next step over here? >> i think it is clear that they could be, vladimir putin is trying to push back hard on the idea that the u.s. should be putting his pressure wall up against him, because he knows how effective it will be. there is another level of sanction, not just direct sanctions, financial sanctions, sanctions against commercial technology that also, the determination of the nord stream 2 pipeline, which germany has constructed to get gas from russia. that will be from europe, so now this game, this test of nerves where the u.s. and russia are duking it out it is all about maintaining unity amongst our allies from the american perspective, and that is underway. i think that is what frightens putin, it's that unified sanctions wall that the u.s. has put up, could be very impactful. >> they are also duking it out over this alleged false flag video plot over here. you say that it was right for the biden administration to

reveal those reported plans, which russia is denying. also, they say it is part of the biden's team smart diplomatic strategy to start a war. how so? >> oh, absolutely. i do not call it again, this is serious, deadly serious, but this is a moment where deterrence is the key. it is much easier to prevent the war than to get out of one, and for the united states, to use all the tools, as this administration is doing, deflect, economic and now, intelligence and revealing that publicly to deter russia from using a false pretext to start a war with ukraine. that is critical. that is what has happened this past week, a clear initiative by the biden administration, the right one who told russia, we know what you are up to, you can't false flag this and use this as a pretext to invade ukraine. we are calling you out ahead of time. now, we see the results, that is moving on, that was an effective insertion by the united states. >> have to be quick with you on this one, but french president emmanuel macron is set to meet with putin in moscow tomorrow.

what can we accomplish so far that the biden delegation has not? >> well, he can compliment, and is complementing the biden team. he must say to putin, enough is enough. go back to the table, negotiate. the biden team has been negotiating in good faith, putting papers forward. to talk about that, the pullback from this threat of war and the invasion of ukraine. >> all right, joel rubin, we always appreciate your expertise on the show, thank you for joining us. still to come, gop infighting is deepening as more republicans slammed the party for censoring two of their own. and later, queen elizabeth marks the 70th anniversary of her becoming a monarch with an historic announcement involving her daughter in law. historic announcement we discover exciting new technologies. her daughter in law. redefine who we are and how we want to lead our lives.

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publicly slamming the rnc for censoring representatives cheney and kinzinger over there, in their roles over investigating the insurrection. party leaders are drawing sharp criticism as well for classifying the events of that

day as legitimate political discourse. congresswoman lisa brick house key, one of seven senators who voted to impeach donald trump after the riot is calling out the rnc for trying to legitimize the violence that happened that day, and arkansas governor asa hutchinson called the century wrong, saying it undermines respect for the rule of law. yet former president donald trump released a statement last night, congratulating the rnc for their vote. all of this comes on the heels of former president mike pence delivering his sharpest review yet of his former boss, calling trump's wrong limits ability to overturn the election. let's bring in our panel, matthew dowd, founder of country over party, an msnbc political contributor and analyst, and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. matthew, we have seen mitt romney, bill cassidy call out this century. now, we see murkowski and hutchinson. do you think others will feel emboldened by that? yesterday, miles taylor says it

kind of gives others an off ramp, do you agree? >> i think it gives some others. what we have to recognize is that the mitt romney's, the bill cassidy's, they are black swans of the republican party. they do not represent the majority, the vast majority of the party, they stand donald trump, that's why the rnc, and their work for george w. bush, the rnc and their members represent the base of the party, far more than the elected officials of the party today. so yes, i agree with miles, there are opportunities, but i think we also honor, and really understand, let's be clear, those are exceptions to where the republican party is, and not anyway a momentum which will build in any big way, we will be a majority of the party. >> and you know, you said donald trump was basically a reflection of who the republican party is as opposed to a -- many statements are doubling down on the big lie, applauding the centers. does this still hold true, do

you feel like he is losing grip at all? >> well, i think that most the republican party likes donald trump, but i think most of the republican party wants to move past trump. they don't want to move past trumpism, they want to move past the person of donald trump. which in my view, for our democracy and the conversations we have had about this and where we stand in the fight against autocracy, it's far more dangerous. i think donald trump is a flawed figure, and getting a less flaw figured, that could espouse the exact same things, that could be far more detrimental to our country then donald trump was. >> cynthia, i want to turn to the january six investigation. we are in for a big week on capitol hill. we have rudy giuliani and sidney powell, both questioned on wednesday. giuliani's lawyer dismisses the subpoena as political theater, but powell's, she says she will answer questions on the panel. so one common thread that we have seen from a lot of those in trump's inner circle, is

pleading the fifth. and here's committee member representative zoe loughman on a friday on msnbc, talking specifically about former acting a.g. jeffrey clark's testimony. >> when you plead the fifth, you are saying, i could be prosecuted for what i was asked to talk about. now the way to sanitize that is to give him immunity, which means the testimony given to the committee could not be used by the department of justice. if they find it through some other means, fine, they could use it. and, we are not even thinking about that. you know, there are a number of steps that had to be gotten through to do that, my question is, will be get useful information? >> what does she mean by we are thinking about that, and how do they get useful information if people keep pleading the fifth? >> well first, i could tell you this. getting immunity is a huge mistake. and albert north was let off because of the manner which used immunity.

if you give a witness use immunity, not only are you in future prosecutions, not using any information you get. any other witness who hears the testimony given under use immunity could not be used. the fbi agents and the doj lawyers could not ever hear the testimony, or they are tainted. and any evidence that is derived from the testimony with use immunity also could not be used. effectively, it barr as a prosecution. and i do not think that the j six committee should make that decision, i don't think that decision should be made the department of justice, when they start to look at who will be criminally prosecuted. so i categorically am opposed to any use immunity, i feel very strongly about that. the answer is, if people are taking the fifth, the answer is to go to the lower level staff. that is exactly what they have done. you can see this as a prosecution being run by prosecutors. i mean, this january six

community is being run by prosecutors very effectively. so i'm mark meadows does not testify, what we have got is his chief of staff. pence does not testify, four or five of his members have testified. that is the answer, to get it in other ways. but immunity? a huge mistake. >> cynthia, i have to be really quick with this. i know the answer over here. we are learning representative jim jordan spoke to trump the morning of the insurrection for ten minutes. what are the legal implications there? >> the legal implications is he will end up with a subpoena. prosecutors loved people who no facts and lie about them. that's exactly what has happened with him. he is giving conflicting statements about whether or not he talked to trump. he spoke to him for ten minutes in the beginning. he was at many of the meetings with mel brooks and others at the white house as they were planning this elector plot, this sublot using the electors and pence. so he will end up with a

subpoena, but is the long and short of it. >> but would have a lot of significance, congress subpoena in one of their own, cynthia actually and matthew dowd, thank you so much. now to london, or a royal announcement about prince charles's wife, camilla, using the title, queen, is dividing brits. queen, is dividin brits. mm, smooth. uh, they are a little tight. like, too tight? a little bit. you don't want 'em too loose. for those who were born to ride there's progressive. with 24/7 roadside assistance. -okay. think i'm gonna wear these home. -excellent choice. ♪ ♪ with 24/7 roadside assistance. -♪ ♪y.

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hospital. it came after what is known as hell week, a grueling week of trading with very little sleep. the navy says that the death is under investigation. and, massively popular podcast host joe rogan, apologizing, under fire again for his former use of the n-word on his show, saying he has not use the word in years. >> i know that to most people, there is no context where a white person is ever allowed to say that word, never mind publicly on a podcast. and i agree with that now. -- >> spotify, the home of rogan's podcasts, has removed several dozen episodes from before the pandemic. this, as the latest controversy for rogan after several music legends pulled music from spotify, saying the host spreads dangerous misinformation about covid. rogan is also addressed that saying, he will try to bring more balance to his show. now, overseas. a royal announcement is surely dividing the british public this morning.

once seen as an outsider, camilla good officially have the title of queen when her husband, charles, takes the throne. queen elizabeth made this request in a letter, marking her 70th anniversary's queen, says she hopes the public will give us support, the same support she has enjoyed for decades. we are outside with molly, the packing -- buckingham palace. we talk about the diamond jubilee, but now this is all anybody's talking about? >> that is, right. lindsey actually, it is the platinum jubilee marking 70 years, which is kind of an extraordinary milestone today, it will be all about the queen. 10 pm local time, the queen broke some news on the cover of every single newspaper this morning, here's the telegraph which is queen camila gets royal approval. now i just want to show you an excerpt from that letter at the queen, take a look at this statement. she writes, in the fullness of time, my son charles becomes king, i know you will give him and his wife kamala the same sport you have given me. and it is my sincere wish that, when that time comes, camilla

will be known as queen concert as she continues her own loyal service. now, the three big takeaways from this full statement. there was a much longer statement last night, one, it reminded to the british people that her son charles will become king, urging them to support him, and also to support's wife of 17 years, who has been nothing but a loyal servant to the queen, and to this country. and really, it takes the pressure off of charles, which is what everybody is talking about today. only a reigning monarch can change titles. so, what charles could've done this when it becomes king, the fact that his mother gave her blessing really means a lot. and lindsey, really, the third takeaway is that she is not going anywhere anytime soon. in that letter, she reaffirmed her vows, and her life of service. and, on that vein, i want to show you a picture released today, showing her heart and work with that red box we have seen, with so many times, taking that look, looking fantastic, of course marking 70 years since she became queen.

lindsey, i also want to show a statement from charles and camilla, we got moments ago. it says, we are deeply conscious of the on are represented by my mother's wish, as we sought together to serve and support her majesty in the people of our communities, my darling wife has been my own steadfast support throughout. so a lot of news, deathly divided republic i'm sure we will get a lot more reaction today, lindsey. >> i am sure. man, she looks great at that photo. very happy, beautiful smile. molly, thank you so much. and still to come, a new bill from republicans in missouri will make murder legal, at least, that is what one state prosecutor says. he will join us next to break down what is behind this proposal to break the stand your ground laws. proposal to break the stan proposal to break the stan your that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c om 8.2 to 6.7.

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that is what opponents are calling a new proposal from republicans in missouri. the bill would essentially give the benefit of the doubt, to anyone who uses deadly force, and claims self-defense. police would have to prove that shooters were acting on motives other than self-defense, in order to arrest them. as a law stands now, suspects can claim self-defense, after they have been charged, and argue it in court. supporters say the bills exercise their second amendment rights, for unfair prosecution. opponents, several law forsman groups say, it would take the determination of self the tenth -- defense away from juries, and

require police and prosecutors, to basically assume self-defense in all cases. one prosecutor who is against legislation is calling it that make murder legal bill, he is with us right now this morning. russ oliver is a prosecutor in county missouri, and has spoken on behalf of the states association of prosecuting attorneys. thanks for being with us. the nickname you have given the, bill is picking up steam. why do you call it the make murder legal bill? >> and does not change the standard for self-defense. but what it does is, it puts cases in such a procedural posture, that it is going to be impossible to prosecute many people, for violent offenses. the reason why i say that is, right now, under our self-defense law, the defendant has a burden of injecting issue. basically, he has to get up on the stand, and say, what happened, why he thought it was self-defense, why he thought his actions were reasonable. when he does that, he is subject to cross-examination,

subject to having his statement against the evidence we have. and, that is important because, a lot of times, actually most of the times in these murder cases, the only other person who saw what happened, is dead. and so, if we reach start with a presumption, that it is reasonable, and that he does not have to get up and say anything, it is just automatically reasonable self-defense, and the state witness is dead, then, you are going to, in practical reality, make actual murders that people should be going to prison for the rest of their lives, you are going to make it perfectly legal for them to kill somebody. >> i want to play a reaction from a missouri state senator, let's go ahead and listen to that. >> this is one of the most offensive pieces of legislation, i have ever seen in my life. it is a personal attack.

on me, it's a personal attack on people who look like me. i try to think of words to describe, it the only thing i can come up with in my mind, this is complete bull. >> what kind of impact when this have on people of color, in your state? >> a lot of people are raising claims of racial issues, with the bill. all that i see is that, it greatly diminishes public safety in my community. i have a bunch of crazy white rednecks, who do awful things to other white rednecks. this is not just going to affect one part of our community, it will affect every single community. i will say this. with regard to certain minority communities, that have active criminal, or organized crime, organized street gangs. this is going to have a

terrible impact on witness cooperation. because, right now, you can't have 15 people see somebody, murder someone in cold blood in the middle of the street, all of a sudden, nobody saw anything. guess what? the guy who shot the other guy, is really dangerous. and they are scared of him. imagine happens at 3 am, on friday? and, we cannot get to a judge, until monday morning? what do you think that guy is going to be doing, over the weekend, threatening people? harassing witnesses? assaulting them, basically, making sure that nobody is going to say anything about the murder that they just witnessed. >> i have to be quick with you on this, what are you and your group, going to do to fight this? >> i do not care if you are a republican, democrat, or boomers party. when you start affecting the public safety of my community,

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with covid necessary for public health, or inhumane, as some are putting it? that is right now being debated in florida after governor ron desantis proposed legislation that would allow people to visit loved ones in the hospital, even if they are contagious. some health care officials are pushing back saying the change in protocol has unintended consequences. 70 santa's in florida following. this stephanie, good morning. >> yes, good morning to you,

lindsey. this particular bill is called the no patient left alone. active proponents say it will strain patient is a patient rights and for his health care facilities including hospitals, nursing homes. if passed, it would require health care providers to allow visitors to provide an end-of-life situation during times of extreme emotional distress. also in situations where family members will be needed to come in to provide help, including eating, drinking or any other situation approved by the agency or health care administration. now this bill was sparked in response to the covid-19 crisis. of course, back in march, 2020, in which many people essentially, were locked in nursing homes, hospitals, not allowed to see their loved ones or family members due to those strict protocols in place. sadly, as we know, many people also died alone because of these strict protocols. so proponents of the bill say that it is our necessary, that

those patient visitation rights have now been restored. they also bear unintended consequences for places like assisted living facilities, which typically are not as equipped to deal with infectious diseases. now we spoke to a pediatric doctor over here in florida, who weighed in on the situation. >> it is always a risk benefit calculation. you always want to do everything you can to mitigate the risks as much as you can. but you have to keep the patient at the center of that discussion. and really, what is best for the patient in that regard, best for the family. i think there are ways to do it with very careful consideration of weighing those risks and benefits. >> a doctor you saw there was from pediatric hospital, she also told me that they are a little bit more in a unique situation, dealing with children. so they always had to have guardians coming in and out during the pandemic. now proponents of this bill say

the hospitals and nursing homes would still be allowed to require visitors to do house screenings, to wear masks and adhere to very strict infection control protocols. they say that if they do not comply, then they would not be allowed to enter. so this is the bill, it is going through committee. we are told it has one more hearing before it reaches the senate floor, lindsey. >> all right. stephanie stanton, we know that you will stay on top of it, thank you. elon musk might be the pioneer of electric vehicles, but one of america's biggest automakers is really working to catch up. general motors ceo mary barra announcing a 70 billion dollar investment in the company's home state of michigan. through 2024, to produce electric pick up trucks, and build a battery cell plant. the largest single investment in gm history is expected to create 4000 new jobs in the state. gm sold fewer than 25,000 electric vehicles in the u.s. last year.

they say they want to go fully electric by 2035. for more on all of this, and the political implications, we are now dream nbc's gary graham back, live outside a gm plant in michigan. gary, talk to us over here about the gm's plans. >> good morning, lindsey. oil refineries been at the heart of michigan's economy for almost 100 years now. and now, gm ceo mary bera is making a big bet that electric vehicles will become the next big thing, with a seven billion dollar investment in four plants and thousands of staff across the state of michigan. this is a planet is completely and fully supported by the white house, which is part of 100 billion dollar plan that the white house has to get more electric vehicles made in the u.s., and on the roads over here in the u.s.. of course, bringing auto manufacturing back to the u.s. is nothing new, it is something that presidents have been trying to do for decades in fact. , it is something trump and biden actually agree on when it

comes to policy. but local officials over here could not be more excited. so in oregon county, we are northwest of detroit. it's a real blue collar town, 40,000 people. i had one local leader telling yesterday, this is like a grand slam at the bottom of the ninth. don't take it from me, let's hear from gerald lang, an employee of this facility in oregon. >> this is going to allow me to retire, and possibly could affect my grandchildren. we are talking about huge investment and our restructuring of this plant. so now, as we hire people in, these are all my family members. this is my family, friends, neighbors. they have an opportunity to be lifted, uplifted into the middle class of america, just by jobs, negotiated wages, safe working environments. it is huge for my family. >> now, there are questions

about demand. 25,000 gm electric vehicles were sold last year. but that is just 1% of all gm vehicles sold nationwide last year. so, some real questions when it comes to, will people actually buy the vehicles, which are created in plants like this. lindsey? >> all right, gary bring back for us in michigan, thank you. part of a spacex rocket is on a collision course with the moon. so, if this were hollywood, we would probably be sending bruce willis out to stop it, but this is real life. we will talk with astronomer, bill gray, the man made the discovery, and about the implications, and what happens next. d what>> lindsey, we have a jam-packed show coming over this morning on velshi, i'm talking to retired army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman about his current lawsuit alleging that donald trump and his cronies conspired to silence him, ahead of his testimony in trump's first impeachment trial. also, the national archives confirmed this week that some

of the documents that they received from the trump white house were torn up and taped back together again. that story has been swirling around for years, we will be joined by omarosa, a former trump aide who saw firsthand some of the trump administration's bizarre behavior. we will have all of that coming up on velshi, at the top of the hour, sit tight. at the top of th hour, sit tight.

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>> i can watch a movie over and over again, it stresses me out. that is from the 2013 and gravity. the chaos over that fictitious shuttle, being hit by spaced debris. the issue might not be that dramatic yet. but, debris up there is building up quickly, it is becoming a real issue. this week, mass a decommissioned the -- plans to decommission the international space station, in nine years, and crash it in the ocean. meanwhile above us, part of a's base x rocket part is expected to crash into the moon in a few weeks, creating a massive crater. it's being clear, as this new space race heats up, there is a lot more to keep track of in the skies. today, we are joined by the man who figured out, a part of that space ex rocket will crash into the moon. astronomer bill gray. the developer of project trudeau, the software that is used by storminess worldwide.

first, good morning, we are very lucky to have you on the show. >> good morning, glad to be here. >> explain to us what is going on with the spacex rocket, why your work and tracking these orbits, is so important? >> well, this is a rocket, a piece of a rocket booster that we have been tracking for several years now. earlier this month, we got additional data on it. we were adjusting the trajectory is on these things, what is going where, in this case, we realized that, march 4th, it will hit the far side of the moon. it will make a crater, about 20 yards across. and, unfortunately, because it is on the far side, we will not be able to see. it but there should be some scientific data that we get out of it. it will be a very interesting thing to follow.

>> we have debris above us, we have debris in the ocean, the space craft cemetery, nasa says it is the best option right now for this massive space station. what do you think of not only the buildup of debris, both above us and in the ocean, are these just adequate solutions for the time being? >> they really are not all that bad. at least, when they wind up in the ocean. it is a tiny fraction of what winds up going into the ocean. i have considerable more concerns about, building landfills in coastal areas. the big concern of space debris, mostly is, that it can hit extremely valuable satellites up there. and it can hit for example, the international space station. it is a potential threat to humans, who happened to be up in orbit. >> when we talk, it sounds just like the plot from gravity.

obviously, that is science fiction. the headlines are real. talking about, for example, the huge cloud of debris, from a russian anti satellite tests last year. that could be a problem for decades. china has been an offender, as recently as last spring. how big of a problem, a space debris, as we move ahead? what should we do about it? why should we care, here on earth? >> it's getting to be, more of an issue because, the cost of, it gets less expensive to get stuff into orbit. more stuff is going into orbit. elon musk is putting the starlinks on light up. many other constellations planned. if you increase the amount of stuff in orbit, tenfold, you increase the risk of a collision, 100 times. those collisions make small bits, that make other small bits. there are some fears that we could get to a point where putting stuff into orbit, just

continues to make things more and more dangerous. it makes it less possible to use space, like we would want to. and much more dangerous for anyone else, to go up into space. >> just in january, the european space agency put out some numbers, about 3000 non functioning satellites, right now, are whirling above us. the total mass of all space objects in earth orbit, more than 9800 tons. as we've seen this space race heat, up as private businesses go up in the space, can we feel confident, that someone, you, space force, anyone, is keeping track of all of these flight paths, to keep us safe? >> actually, space force does a pretty good job of it. they are particularly interested in stuff that is in low earth orbit. and they do an excellent job, of keeping track of, the stuff that is a little bit higher, up that is used for basically,

television transmissions, and telecommunications in general. they, can do a pretty good job of keeping track of the stuff. the problem is, they can keep track of something even four inches across, lower earth orbit. occasionally, things break up. you wind up with smaller bits and pieces. we are talking about objects that are moving at, tens of thousands of miles per hour. you get hit by something that is very tiny, too small to be noticed by these radars. it is still going to take out your satellite, or possibly put a hole through the international space station. there is considerable danger from that. part of the solution is to be careful about what you put up there, and make sure you have a plan for getting back down. i would have to give elon musk a bit of a thumbs up here, starlink satellites for example,

are low enough, that they will naturally, in the course of events, even if you lose control over them, they will come down in the atmosphere, and burn up. >> we certainly appreciate that you are tracking this, to keep us all safe. thanks for coming on the program as well, independents john immobile graham. thank you so much. thanks for watching msnbc reports, i'm lindsay reiser, i'll be here next weekend, at 7 am eastern. -- -- >> today on velshi, brand-new reporting a certain failed former presidents proclivity for destroying documents, just as the evidence tying him to multiple schemes could overthrow the election stacks up. there's one person i could think of might have firsthand knowledge in this arena, the former trump aide, omarosa manigault lewin, who famously claimed in her tell all book to have seen donald trump chewing up a piece of paper as his former fixer, michael cohen left the office. omarosa joins me later in the

show. plus, i will be joined in just a few minutes by a man who is currently suing a handful of donald trump's inner circle, accusing them of running an intimidation and retaliation campaign against him after he became a whistleblower and key witness in donald trump's first impeachment. then, we will introduce you to one of the moms who organized together and fought back against attempts to remove a book about racism from a school reading list. spoiler alert, the moms won. you will want to hear about how they did it, and pushed back against book banning in america. velshi starts now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning, it is sunday, february the 6th. i am ali velshi. we've been calling in the insurrectionist former president, and the failed former president, both being accurate descriptions for the reality tv host turned 45th president of the united states. now, we are learning we could add another moniker, shredding former president. let's call him the shooter