good afternoon, i'm yasmin vossoughian. new information today from the biden administration on just how close russia is to having everything they need to invade ukraine and the lives that

invasion could likely cost. >> also, growing backlash today to the rnc's censure of two republican members of congress that included a claim that the january 6th insurrection was merely, quote, legitimate political discourse. plus, the january 6th committee facing new pressure to subpoena mike pence after the former vice president's very public break with at least part of donald trump's big lie. all of that, plus the bombshell dropped by queen elizabeth, an announcement of support for camilla to be called queen one day. a notion that would have been unthinkable not that long ago. we are live in london with reaction to that as well coming up. there are dire new warnings today, though, from u.s. intelligence on russia's readiness for a possible invasion of ukraine. the white house says that russia now has 70% of the troops and military equipment in place that it would need to carry out a widespread and deadly attack on ukraine. the report says the window for a

diplomatic solution, it is beginning to close. but it is still an option. want to bring in josh lederman in wilmington, delaware, where the president spent most of the weekend monitoring the situation. this story was breaking overnight. as we saw it hit our inboxes, it was startling to see what a war essentially between moscow and ukraine would look like. the casualties that could feasibly be involved, of course, as well. and just how ready russia is in fact to invade. did any of this catch the white house off guard? >> i don't think it caught the white house off guard because this was an intelligence assessment that u.s. officials have been working on for quite some time and have briefed now to congress as well. but what really jumps out to you, yasmin, from this new assessment, is the fact that it seems that what russia is poised for at this point in time is not the kind of minor incursion that

president biden had floated when he held a news conference a few weeks ago. but instead, a full-on invasion of the entire country of ukraine. and these new figures about russia's military build-up making clear just how bloody but also how quick that could take place with the capital of kyiv potentially falling to russia within a couple days. 110 thune troops on russia's side of the ukrainian border. another 30,000 russian troops we're told are now in neighboring belarus that could also potentially be involved in a russian invasion coming from multiple sides into ukraine. and in addition to that, officials warning that within just a few days or weeks, we could see up to 50,000 civilian casualties, another 5,000 or 10,000 ukrainian military casualties. we're talking about potentially the biggest incident of military violence and death that we have

seen in decades. now, we are also hearing from u.s. officials this morning who are saying the fact that the u.s. is laying all this out on the table does not mean that war is a fate accomp lete, does not mean they're closing the door to potential diplomatic pathways with russia. here's how jake sullivan, the national security adviser, put it when he speak on "meet the press." >> we're prepared to sit down with the russians alongside our alis in nato and other partners in europe to talk about issues of mutual concern in european security. what we're not prepare today negotiate are the fundamental principles of security that include an open door to nato for countries who can meet the requirements. >> president biden has been spending the weekend here in wilmington, where we know he spoke by phone, yasmin, with the israeli prime minister. they discussed the russia/ukraine situation, according to the israelis, president biden now back in washington where tomorrow russia

will be the main topic of conversation when he has his first meeting with the visiting german chancellor, olaf schultz, whose government has been facing some criticism in washington for not being as reliable of an ally in standing up along with these other nato members russia, as the united states and other western countries would like the germans to be, yasmin. >> we're going to talk more about that later on in the shoi as well. quickly, josh, i know the president kind of stopped and spoke with the press on his way back to the white house. any idea what he had to say? >> yeah, we are just getting that tape teed up to be able to play out to everyone. but in the meantime, we're getting some very rough notes from reporters who were on the ground there for president biden's quick chat with journalists. he was asked about russia's show of unity with china, as president putin has been at the olympic games in beijing. he said he didn't want to go into that too much. the president also said he did

not want to speculate too much about where things were going, but he was asked what factors president putin is taking into account in his thinking as he makes a decision about whether to invade. president biden saying that he thinks that putin is trying to get things that he ultimately cannot get, yasmin. >> hey, josh. as we're awaiting the tape, i have been told we'll have it any moment now, there has been kind of some questioning of the u.s. government in the last few days when it comes to producing evidence about some of the things they have been saying in which russia plans to, and i think specifically, for instance, the news that came out just the other day about the possibility of russia fabricating a video to make it seem as if russian troops are being attacked by ukraine, which would then cause them subsequently to attack, invade ukraine. has the white house responded at all to producing more evidence to show what exactly is

happening along with russia? >> yeah, there's really been questions both at the white house and at the state department about, all right, if you're going to make these pretty dramatic allegations against russia, let's put up or shut up. why don't you show it to us? given there is a history of intelligence information and intelligence, for example, iraq comes to mind, that didn't particularly come to mind -- >> josh, we got the tape. we have the tape now. let's take a listen to the president. >> nothing new about that. >> are you willing to send more troops to poland and other nato countries? >> i'm not going to speculate on that. >> do you think there's any particular thing vladimir putin is looking for, sir, in order to make -- >> i think things he cannot get. >> any message to the troops in poland and their families, sir?

>> so it seems, josh f i still have you, the president there kind of taking a moment to speak with reporters as he returned to the white house from wilmington, delaware, where you are, talking about a possible diplomatic solution to what is happening between moscow and ukraine, and one reporter there asking, for instance, do you essentially know what putin wants? and will he get what he wants? and the president there saying outright, he's asking for things that he will not get. so drawing a line in the sand there with putin. we still know the white house is still very much wanting to engage in a diplomatic solution here when it comes to the situation with ukraine. >> that's exactly right. president biden echoing his comments his national security adviser made earlier, saying russia may think they're going to get nato to close to door the additional members such as ukraine. that is flat out not going to happen, which has been the long

standing position from the u.s. throughout this whole crisis. we also hear the president, as you point out, trying to leave the door open to a diplomatic off ramp. that's particularly important for the u.s. to make that clear publicly, because the russians are trying to cast the u.s. as the warmongers here. we heard from a senior russian diplomat to the united nations who was responding to the u.s. putting out this intelligence assessment about all of these tens of thousands of troops. this russian diplomat saying, look, if russia came out and said the u.s. was going to invade britain and there would be hundreds of thousands of deaths and not put out any evidence for that, you would say that's not acceptable. and it shouldn't be acceptable for the u.s. to do it to russia as well. so it speaks to the question you were raising just before we heard from biden about is the u.s. going to put more intelligence forward? we heard yesterday from the top democrat on the armed services committee saying he wants biden to put out more information as

well. >> yeah, so we're going to wait and see kind of what develops over the next few days, if this criticism continues to mount in which whether or not the white house will in fact respond. for now, thank you. good to see you. >> coming up at 4:00 p.m., former ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, will join me live with his perspective and his personal conversations with the president of ukraine as well. >> want to get to some breaking news now. we now know the name of the navy s.e.a.l. candidate who died after a training camp in san diego on friday. 24-year-old seaman kyle mullan of new jersey, a s.e.a.l. candidate assigned to the naval special warfare basic training command passed away on friday afternoon at sharp coronado hospital after successfully completing hell week, as they name it, a grueling week of training with very little sleep. the cause of his death is currently unknown and the navy says an investigation is under way. we extend our sympathies to kyle's family.

>> so the fallout is continuing on capitol hill after the censures of representatives liz cheney and adam kinzinger by the gop. that included the suggest that january 6th amounted to legitimate as they put it, political discourse. senator lisa murkowski is one of only a handful of republican whose have publicly condemned the move. here's what she had to say. >> i'm not here to be the representative of the republican party. i'm here to be the representative for alaskan people. when the party is -- is taking an approach or saying things that i think are just absolutely wrong, i think it's my responsibility as an alaskan senator speaking out for alaskans to just speak the truth. >> all right, let's talk about this, kind of the reaction on capitol hill and what's next here. nbc news' senior national

reporter sahil kapur, and danny cevallos. thanks for joining us. sahil, let me start with you on this one because this criticism coming out in a tweet yesterday from senator murkowski initially and then of course appearing on morning talk shows, talking more about where she stands when it comes, especially to the terminology used to describe the january 6th insurrection in the censure of both cheney and kinzinger, and it seems as if she's currently outnumbered in washington when it comes to talking publicly about how she's against that terminology being used. talk to me about the react on both sides right now for those that support the terminology used and those that are against it. >> well, yasmin, let's start with the supporters of that censure resolution, the most prominent of course is donald trump. he praised it as a great ruling.

he heaped scorn on liz cheney and adam kinzinger, calling them horrible rinos, using the acronym for republican in name where and suggesting the party would be better off without him. a slightly less effusive proponent is kevin mccarthy whose caucus cheney and kinzinger belong to. he was asked about this on fox news and suggested those two will have a hard time coming back to the republican caucus. kinzinger is retiring, not running for re-election. cheney is running for re-election and faced what is likely to be a very difficult primary in the state of wisconsin. there has been sharp criticism, sharp pushback to the rnc, particularly the move to brand january 6th as legitimate political discourse. that includes from senator mitt romney of utah, who said shame falls upon a party who would censure people trying to seek truth and justice. he praised kinzinger and cheney for being willing to investigate january 6th at personal

political cost to them. murkowski, you mentioned, is another critic of the resolution that trump is supporting. murkowski facing re-election in alaska. this could be a political risk to her, but she said she feels the need to speak out, and she said january 6th cannot legitimized, and then the great majority of republicans who based on my reporter do not agree with donald trump's approach to describing january 6th but have stayed quiet because they fear blowback from him. >> danny, talk to me about the vice president or the former vice president, i should say, on the same day we saw the censure of kinzinger and cheney, we saw the vice president saying his former boss, the former president is essentially wrong, the election, the country belongs to american people. the former president speaking out against his former vice president, against his former ticket mate. talk to me about the possibility that the january 6th committee is actually going to subpoena

the former vice president or at least ask for his testimony, and how key it is to this investigation, considering his unique position that he was not only a target but an eye witness to the events on january 6th. >> for mike pence, this may be a reckoning. for having to suffer the slings and arrows of the verbal abuse foisted on him or pot his way by the former president trump. mike pence has signaled at least in his public statements he is not inclined to protect the former president at all cost. his chief of staff has already given information. his records are being turned over. and he is signaling that he may be willing to sit down and talk to the committee. what exactly that means remains to be seen, but we do know at least we can glean from his statements so far that at least he, when he seit was the wrong

thing, he must have been being told the wrong thing by someone, whether it was john eastman, who knows what went on in those meetings. if you want to read between the lines of what he's said so far, you could infer he has a lot of information that is very bad for the former president and those in his circle. >> nbc's sahil kapur, danny cevallos, appreciate it. don't miss tonight msnbc films presents love and the constitution, a new documentary following representative jamie raskin as he fights to defend democracy while navigating an intense personal tragedy amidst the loss of his son. watch love and the constitution tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. >> still ahead, everybody, queen camilla. the statement from queen elizabeth that has rocked royal watchers. we'll be right back. l watchers we'll be rightac bk.

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welcome back. let's go overseas now. tributes are pouring in for queen elizabeth as she's marking the 70th year of her reign. queen elizabeth marking her milestone day with a surprise announcement, once an outsider, the monarch wants camilla parker bowles to hold the title of queen consort once her husband takes the throne. joining me, suzanna, thank you for joining us.

i am not a royal watcher. i will be completely honest on this, but when i saw this come across my email, i was shocked by it. talk to me first about your reaction when you saw this announcement. >> i thought it was very, very clever on behalf of the queen. because it has done something that will change the first few days of king charles, if that is what he becomes, he can choose his own name, but when he becomes king, it will change the first few days of his reign, which otherwise would have been perhaps preoccupied with the question of what camilla would be called. but the queen has decided this will be dealt with now. so i thought it was amazingly clever, actually. >> so it's interesting because one of the reasons this has been in such -- this has been such a question for people in the uk was because of the fact that camilla parker bowles was not someone who was well liked. she was seen as obviously the mistress at one point, princess

diana many years ago in that ever famous interview said she was the third person in their marriage. what do you make of the type of reaction this type of announcement would receive in the uk? >> yes, you're absolutely right. and it was the case, of course, when charles and camilla got engaged that it was announced she wouldn't take the title of queen, she would have the title of princess consort. so that was in 2005. and she likewise hasn't taken the title of princess of whales. it's about people's sensitivities around diana. but now, we're in a very different position, and princess consult is a title that has no legal or historical meaning. and she would actually in common law have become the queen either way. it's just a question of whether she used and assumed that title. and now the queen is saying that you must consider that loyalty to me, because she links it in the same breath as loyalty to

her, and in the same breath as the service that her husband, prince philip, carried out. if you're loyal to me, you would use this title. this is my sincere wish. it's been very interesting to see the reaction. we have seen some people who will forever be great fans of princess diana or diaa princess of wales as she was in the end, feel this is unforgivable and cannot be. other people think okay, there's been enough time past, there's water under the bridge, camilla has put in these years of service. as i say, i think is a master stroke because it has changed the situation. the question is now no longer is this about charles, is this about camilla, is this about diana? the question is now, do you want to demstraight your loyalty to the queen? do you want to do what she's asked. >> and i assume this is the same title that princess kate will

take on once she becomes queen. is that accurate? >> that's absolutely right. so the queen currently, queen elizabeth ii is a queen reginant, but the queen of queen consult that the current queen's mother, the queen mother, as we call her, had who she was married to king george vi, and before her, queen mary, queen alexandra, and in due course, it would be the title that queen catherine y imagine, we'll have to call her then, would be as well. it looks like we are set to have a queen camilla. now, of course, this isn't absolutely guaranteed. isn't set in stone. there's still a decision to be made, but i think given that the queen has said this is her sincere wish, i think her son is probably going to listen to that. >> suzanna, thank you. we appreciate it. still ahead, everybody,

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back to the united states. bipartisan issue. well now, gm ceo mary barra is doing just that. a $7 billion investment, 4,000 jobs to the state of michigan. 2300 of those jobs and $4 billion of those dollars will be right here at this plant. they're converting it to make electric trucks, electric pickup trucks. folks here are incredibly excited about that. they call it a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth. this city in michigan is about an hour northwest of detroit, a real blue-collar working class town. people couldn't be more excited. take a listen. >> we have been impacted for the last couple years. so it's really hurt our pocketbooks. running out of unemployment, people struggling to get through. so to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel is a huge relief. >> i mean, we're talking about a huge investment and restructuring of these plant, so now as we hire people in, these

are all my family members. these are my family, my friends, my neighbors. they have an opportunity to be lifted, uplifted into the middle class of america. >> so the money's there, the jobs are there, but is the demand there? that's the big question. last year, just 25,000 gm electric vehicles were sold nationwide. out of the 2.5 million gm vehicles sold across the country. yasmin. >> gary, thank you. >> want to turn now to california. which could become the first state to authorize reparations for black americans. a task force made up of lawmakers, academics, civil rights leaders, is studying how to address the atrocities of slavery and dismantle racist structures that persist in our society today. they say these proposals should they pass could be expansive, including everything from direct cash payments to housing, business grants, and possibly

even more. california secretary of state shirley weber, the daughter of shapecroppers who crafted legislation to create that first in the nation task force, spoke out at a recent meeting about sensing her family's fear as a child. let's take a listen. >> the fear my grandfather felt was palatable and it crippled him and his family's ability to dream beyond the cotton fields. he was dearly, dearly, and direly afraid his kids would be killed, his sons would be murerred, his wife would be raped, his daughters would have things done that he could not defend them. that in itself created such a tremendous fear and psychological impact that black people almost did not dream of anything other than near survival. >> and the california secretary of state joins me now. secretary, thank you so much for joining us on this. we appreciate it. quite an emotional moment, i have to say, for you recounting

the fear of your family, right, your family members and the generations that that fear has now trickled through. you talk about the psychological ramifications there, which are so palpable in your explanation of it all. you also talked about how these proposals should be limited to those whose ancestors were in fact enslaved. talk me through how this would work. >> well, clearly, it requires, and it's not that difficult to basically trace back slavery. it's not that far removed. most of the census records that are there have my grandparents and their parents located in the south before 1865. and so it is not that difficult to basically trace back the fact those who have actually had relatives, great grandparents and others who have been enslaved in this country, and the impact of that slavery on their lives and how they looked

at the world and how they felt they had potential for success is quite great and greater than a person who is not in slavery. someone who comes here from africa and lives in the united states, lives with a different kind of psyche. and i think we have all seen that. i have seen it in family members who were marry today africans and their view of the world and how they looked at their potential or the limitations of their life is really quite clear. i maintain even barack obama, not having had an ancestor in slavery, had a different view of the world, and therefore saw mow limit to his potential. >> fascinating. talk to me about the task force's findings. once this concludes, how confident are you that the state legislature will follow through? >> well, you know, our state legislature passes bill without a tremendous amount of controversy. many of us have spent years

talking about the challenges faced in the state of california, what it was like to be african american, a person who was engaged -- our governor is very committed to it. it will be a matter of us really convincing the legislature these are things we need to address in a very serious way, and not just in a resolution or something of that nature, but really to look at the economic issues, how much we have lost in terms of ownership of land and land that was taken away from african americans. what happens in schools. we can see very clearly that despite the things we have tried to invest in in schools, we have not successfully helped african americans in any great number, and they continue to be at the bottom, suffering, from the lack of resources and the lack of accountability. those kind of things with regards to school. there's some very clear things. we look at the university of california, things we can do. we can create opportunities based on lineage of folks being admitted to the university of california, and we show when

those students, even if they may have struggled at the k-12 level, when they're put nothing to our universities, they actually excel. so there's a number of things that can easily be done. our black businesses suffered severely during covid. but have suffered interms of overall from the banking, the red lining, the lack of resources, the lack of support for black businesses. it's really clear in california. and so we have a unique opportunity to address it. california has the resources, it has the elected officials, and some cities, interestingly enough, like los angeles and others, have really taken on reparations themselves and began to create these equity kinds of issues that are in their contracting, their businesses, and so we see folks doing it themselves, and obviously, the state will enhance what they're accomplishing. >> and the rest of the country hopefully watching the state of california as this develops. california secretary of state shirley weber, we thank you. coming up, everybody, a new

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with results that could impact american elections for a decade. and like many things in 2022, it has become a partisan battle. the north carolina supreme court just said the state's plans to redraw district maps are unconstitutional. the maps drawn by republican lawmakers would have given the gop a sizable, by the way, advantage. and then in ohio, you have state republicans there trying again. the state supreme court shot down the gop plans to give republicans five extra seats. now, they're trying to push through a different version that would give republicans a 20-seat advantage. but despite all of these cases, the cook political report says this probably will not hurt democrats. dave wassermann handles all things redistricting for the cook political report. and joins us now to explain how all of this is going to work. thanks for joining us on this and appreciate you walking us through this, the abcs of it all, bought it can get confusing. you have these new district lines, either complate or

awaiting certification in 34 separate states. but you have analysis so far from cook political report, which i just alluded to, and i want to read for folks what it says. biden would have carried 161 of 293 districts over donald trump back in 2020, and uptick by the way from 157 of 292 in those states under the current lines. expand on this for us, if you would. >> sure thing. democrats are beating the point spread in redistricting. and it's hard to get much more skewed toward republicans than the last round of redistricting. so keep in mind the baseline was a very republican gerrymandered set of maps. but democrats' advantage this time stemmed from really three things. they have gotten to gerrymander the lines in illinois, new york, and new mexico, oregon, nevada. they have gotten favorable court rulings striking down republican gerrymanders in ohio, north carolina, and alabama. ohio and north carolina were

struck down under state constitutional provisions of partisan gerrymanders and alabama as a racial gerrymander by a federal court. and then the third factor here is that democrats have gotten important breaks from commission states. there are ten states where commissions that are independent or bipartisan draw the lines instead of legislatures. democrats have gotten the maps they wanted out of california, new jersey, and michigan. so when you put that all together, we estimate there are going to be at least five more biden won seats under the new maps than there are currently. and democrats have a five-seat majority in the house. that said, if president biden's approval rating is still at 42%, 43% heading into november, that could be worth dozens of seats for republicans. >> can we talk about specifically new york, for instance? because their redrawn congressional maps that would give seats to democrats, but republicans are saying they're going to fight that. how would that impact things if in fact it passes? >> yeah, so the governor there,

kathy hochul, has signed into law the new york maps that democrats passed in albany, and those maps could convert a delegation that is currently 19 democrats and 8 republicans to 22 democrats and 4 republicans. that would be the single biggest shift in the country. and republicans are fighting it in court. they say new york's new constitutional amendment prohibits maps that unduly favor one party. there is similar language in the constitutional amendment voters passed in ohio, which is why the ohio state supreme court struck down the republican map, but democrats are confident this new york map will stand because the timeline in new york is tighter. they believe the courts there are friendlier to them. so the battles that preceded this round involved a lot of judicial elections and appointments that are having repercussions now for the balance of power for the next ten years.

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positions as a whole in the national football league. and that's got to change. this lawsuit isn't about me. it's about that lack of representation. it's about the people and the generations that are going to come behind me. >> so that's former miami dolphins head coach brian floresen msnbc, slamming the nfl in the wake of his lawsuit against the league for racial discrimination. the nfl quickly denied all charges against them in the suit earlier this week. but then last night, a strikingly different tone from the league's commissioner, roger goodell in a new memo, saying the nfl has done an unacceptable job in its diversity of head coaches and much work is left to be done. we're putting those alleged discriminatory hiring practices in the highlight. my next guest discusses flores' suit, and how the blame always finds its way back to black

americans. >> at the very least, there's a shake down potential there, but these are people who represented a lot of the victims of harvey weinstein, so while brian flores is from brownsville, home of the brave, he went to a prep school that's like the one prep school that's known for recruiting athletes but is still a fancy prep school nonetheless, and those dudes who went to prep schools, you would be amazed who they could pull out of their phone to give a call in a moment like this, and he got these lawyers and they said we're going on tv too. they sat up and laid that case out. they didn't seem to be performatively woke or anything like this, they laid out what this is. in mobile, the black coach is going to need to huddle, but i mean, there's going to be a lot of nfl media there, and we're going to find out who amongst our colleagues is a sucker. they're making the argument that the problem is we just don't know how to coach. or that we just don't know how to interview. like it's still inherently putting the blame on black

people, even if you're saying, well, the problem is white people don't know where to find the black people. same place you find the white folks. they're working here. >> joining me is bomani jones, espn sports journalist and the right time podcast. great to talk to you this afternoon. thanks for joining us. i said to my ep, find me the percentage of black americans who are playing in the nfl, around 70% of the league of players are black. and yet they cannot coach. how does that add up? >> well, i mean, it obviously does not add up. i think there's something interesting that my colleague howard bryant makes the point of, simply because we're representative on the field is not translating at all to the idea about what our roles are in the front office. and what gets really tricky about is for black people, the best way to get to the front office has been to be a player and suddenly the knowledge of being a player didn't manage

anymore. the general managers are pushing toward ivy league graduates. so what was the direction for black people to get on as coaches, as executives, then they look, nah, we don't really need that from you anymore. across the sport, it's difficult to find a black head coach or manager who was not a former player, which is not something that happens for white people. they can come from just about anyplace and wind up being coaches or general managers. >> so talk to me about roger goodell. because at one point, the nfl saying when this lawsuit came out from flores at first, nfl said, no, no, don't look here. nothing is going on, innothing is wrong with what we're doing. we have the rooney rule. we're good, and then goodell came out with this statement last night. i'll read it for folks saying, we're retaining outside experts to assist in this review and will also solicit info from current and former players and coaches and advocated and other authorities in this area. our goal is simple, make our

results more effective. what do you make of this statement and then what is next here? >> well, i think for people who don't really observe sports, it's important to note the commissioner is not in charge of anything. the commission of major league baseball wrote the last commissioner on the way out, because he was the last comagzer to act as he was in charge of owners and they fired him. so roger goodell job is to operate as the representative of the owners. i have every reason to believe if this were up to roger goodell, things would be different. what happened with colin kaepernick would be different. the impediment is the 32 owners. i see this memo and believe he means all the words he's saying, but with the rooney rule, for example, that mandated you interview at least one nonwhite candidate for every job that came about, about 20 years ago, that happened because they were afraid jonnie cochran was going to take them to court. if they have a fear somebody will have to pay a cost in court, you'll see changes, but

that's the only thing nfl owners respond to, the imminent threat of litigation. >> what about the change of owners down the road? is that the only thing that's going to change things up inside the nfl, to have more diversity amongst the owners? >> yeah, the problem with the idea of more diversity among owners is there are 32 billionaire owners in the nfl. i believe there are seven billionaire black people in all of america, and we know all of their names. right? like they're just aren't enough black or brown people with the level of capital we're discussing in order to think the move is going to be to change that. even if you do change that, you don't make a billion dollars by being good to people. the issue is, we have to have laws in place that legitimately threaten people when they behave poorly or do something that is out of line. this is a systemic incident of poor behavior. so changing who the people are is not going to be what has to happen because we say this about race in every way. we think all the racists are going to age out and we'll get new ones and what do you know,

we'll find a new generation of them, waiting the whole time for their chance. it's going to have to be waiting for hearts and minds to change probably isn't going to work. it's going to take some sort of institutional framework to mandate these thins because they won't do it on their own. >> bomani jones, thank you. make sure to tune in to the right time wherever you get your podcasts. new episodes drop every single week. thanks, bomani. good to talk to you. >> coming up next, everybody, russian readiness. satellite images of troops along the ukrainian border fuel concerns of an impending invasion. the latest from that region. plus, former ambassador to ukraine bill taylor joins me live with what he's hearing from the ukrainian president. that's coming up. t. that's coming up uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination.

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