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good afternoon. i am katy tur. president biden is in a high stakes meeting with the leader of germany after allies accused germany of not pulling its weight when it comes to the crisis in ukraine. on the table today, germany's contribution or lack there of to ukraine's defenses, and how their continued reliance on the north stream pipeline plays into their position on russia. that is president biden and the german chancellor just a moment ago. the pipeline to bring natural gas into germany from russia, and critics argue germany is worried of disrupting that supply by angering russia. at the same time, french president, emmanuel macron, is in russia and met with vladimir putin in moscow at a 20-foot
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long table thanks to covid restrictions. macron beliefs russia has a right to ask questions about its security and seek guarantees, a statement that seems to be add odds with the united states, and putin did not offer to de-escalate in the meeting with macron, and russia does continue to deny any plans of an invasion, but should russia decide to invade, russia intelligence warns there's enough work done for a full scale invasion, and they offer a look at what it could look like of an invasion, and kyiv would be taken within 48 hours, and 50,000 civilians could be killed or wounded in just the first week and 5 million people could
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be refugees. joining me now is nbc news correspondent, josh letterman, and erin mclaughlin in kyiv. read off what could happen if russia decides to invade, it's scary. what are you hearing and feeling inside the capital right now? is anything changing despite the reports and all of the intelligence we keep getting snippets of here in the united states? >> hey, katy. top ukrainian officials continue to down play the threat with the foreign minister, telling people to ignore, quote, such aapocalyptic predictions. that being said it is difficult to ignore some 30,000 russian troops that are currently amassing in belarus, just hours away from the capital of kyiv. people are extremely concerned. for example, gun sales here in
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ukraine have skyrocketed, and an average gun costs $1,900, that's three times some peoples' salaries in this country. they are participating in military training on the weekend, we were there on sunday watching as ordinary men and women learned how to administer first aid, learned how to evacuate the wounded and how to handle a weapon. it was startling to see regular people training for a potential russian invasion in this way. i was speaking to one woman who brought her teenage sons to the training and she said she will be ready and do whatever it takes. take a listen. >> we're all going to die some day, and there are things you can do, you can live your life in dignity or not. >> are you ready to fight for your country? >> yes, of course i am ready to fight for my country. what else -- what other
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measures? >> speaking to military experts here in kyiv, and they are eyeing one date in particular, and that's february 20th, and that's when the military exercises in belarus are expected to end. the key question at that point being will the russian forces stay or will they go? experts here believe that what happens next will determine the course of the conflict, katy. >> it's startling to hear that and that mother and see the images we were just showing of kyiv, little kids, toddlers ice skating, just a remarkable situation that you are witnessing over there, erin. josh, the president's meeting with the new german chancellor, and this is the man that has taken over for angela merkel, and he has been criticized for not doing that much when it comes to ukraine's security, at least not with the other nato
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allies, what they are doing, and i know the pipeline will be a hot topic or big topic of conversation for the president, and what can you tell us from the white house's standpoint? >> it's also from bipartisan member of the congress and the senate, and people like senator blumenthal, so a republican and a democrat. the more they publicly confirm there are difference about what type of attack to take towards a potential invasion, and those are the kinds of divisions vladimir putin is seeking to exploit and is good at exploiting as we have seen from past conflicts. i think the message you will hear publicly today from the
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president as well as chancellor schultz is one of unity. a brief introduction to the meeting where reporters were allowed in a moment ago, president biden called germany one of the closest allies of the united states and they were working in lockstep on the ukraine issue, and that's the message they want to broadcast publicly. behind the scenes, you are absolutely right, u.s. officials want germany to be more forthcoming about laying out exactly what steps they are willing to take to punish russia given the germany's economy is more exposed to russia than ours is, and if russia decides, for example, to cut off gas supplies to europe, that will hurt the germans more than the americans on this side, and you will hear them talking about the pipeline issue and the u.s. hoping germany will take a similar stance as the u.s., saying if a single troop of russia crosses
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the border, they will face consequences, katy. >> i want to ask about the intelligence we got over the weekend about russia's capabilities? >> yeah, that's right. the update is they now have about 70% of the total number of forces and capabilities, a raid around the border of ukraine for a full-scale invasion. what we are talking about the invasion of the entire country, trying to take over all of ukraine, and that could be done once they get all the forces in there, that could be done in a matter of weeks. right now there are somewhere in the neighborhood of more than 100,000 russian forces there, and a significant number of capabilities, artillery, mortars, missiles and more than 100 aircraft, fighter jets, helicopters all-around the area that could be ready. it's really, really critical for people to know, though, at this point the assessment from u.s.
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intelligence and u.s. military is still they don't know whether vladimir putin has made the decision to actually invade, and even saying that he continues to bring in more forces and capability. there are 14 more of these battalion tactical groups headed that way right now with the belief that he could have enough military forces there for that full-scale invasion in mid-february, somewhere around february 15th or 16th. that would also be the optimal time given this assessment given the weather in that area, and russia has a lot of tanks and vehicles and they do best when the ground is dry or frozen, and february to late march, that's the window for that as well. the u.s. talking about the potential that should putin decide on a full-scale invasion, he is close to having the forces there, and in that assessment along with the numbers they are providing the assessment of the
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number of casualties if there's a full scale invasion, and they are talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 to 50,000 civilians who could be killed throughout the course of the full-scale invasion. again, what i mean by that, if russia were to decide to attack that country, attack ukraine from really three sides, from the belarus and in the north from russia, from the east into the west into west eastern ukraine, and from the south up through crimea, and if they do that there could be thousands injured and killed, katy. >> you put that next to what erin mclaughlin was just reporting, the mother she interviewed and it shows how serious and scary the situation can be if it gets to that point. courtney kube, erin mclaughlin, and josh thank you for joining us today. joining me now is peter baker,
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and he spent four years as the moscow bureau chief for "the washington post," and along with the president of the zero media. we saw vladimir putin today with emmanuel macron, and they are seated far apart from each other, and the other day we saw putin travel to china and stand side by side with president xi, and am i reading too much into the optics? >> obviously, russia has been isolated on the world stage for a number of years and what it's trying to do is find a wedge between united states and it's allies in europe, and show some solidarity with china on the world stage. we have been writing stories about the potential china and russia alignment for years, and it often doesn't fulfill the
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hopes or fears that a lot of people attach to it, but you do see putin trying to basically out maneuver biden on the world stage. biden has the advantage of a 30-member alliance for all the tensions, and we see them today with schultz' visit here in washington, it's still pretty united in its position with regard to russian aggression against ukraine. if russia move into ukraine, a lot of the doubts you see and a lot of the desires on the french and the germans to avow accommodation would evaporate. >> i found it interesting in what macron said today about russia, they have the right to question security and seek guarantees, and that's at odds
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with what the u.s. is saying. >> macron is looking for a diplomatic way out, and he's pretty much in lockstep with the americans and allies broadly in terms of strong deterrence against russia if they engage in any military incursion, so he is involved in sending material and both defense equipment to the ukrainians and forwarding deployments to the baltics and allies to defend them, and he's strong on potential economic sanctions that would be tough and directed towards russia if there's direct military intervention. france is not as dependant on the russians as the germans are, but he's interested in finding a way to engage with the russians so it doesn't come to that, and even though macron is speaking and having and showing that this is his capability and working with putin directly and
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unlocking a way forward, biden on sunday night spent a decent amount of time with macron and they are coordinating with the white house on what the nature of the diplomatic pathway forward is going to be. i will tell you, katy, i think there has been more u.s.-led multilateral effective coordination in response to this crisis than anything we have seen since the coalition against afghanistan in 9/11, and i think putin is quite surprised by that, and he would not have expected that given the debacle on afghanistan on biden's watch, and the economy under angela merkel. >> where does that leave us when it comes to germany? i know angela merkel is no longer there and there's a new chancellor, and in germany,
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magazines and papers say he basically doesn't exist, he disappeared and they have not seen him. this is his first big meeting with the united states, certainly. how do they play into what is going on in europe and how necessary is it for them to be pretty vocal about the pressure that they will put on russia if russia chooses to invade? >> is that for me? >> yes, sorry -- either one. you both are great so either can answer that question. >> i will take that. there's no question, not only in a three-party coalition but also in schultz' own party, they are the ones that have been consistently more aligned with russia, than the russia understanders in germany, that's their party, and they backed away from that. schultz has been squishy in the
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early part of the crisis on what he would or wouldn't do with the pipeline, and they blocked german-made questions to go from estonia to ukraine, and they got bad press around that, and in the run up to today's meeting with biden, when the white house says if there's any intervention, we are shutting down north stream, schultz was okay with that when he accepted the invitation from biden to come to the white house. i think that's a big move, frankly. >> peter, what do you think? >> yeah, no, i think that's right. north stream is critical. remember, you heard this from republican senators led by ted cruz and others that germany had been too soft on russia by continuing with the north stream pipeline, and the fact that schultz is willing to say that's on the table is super important at this point. i think that, you know, schultz understands he needs to establish credibility here in washington, his own ambassador
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sent a memo back to berlin that was leaked about how his credibility, schultz' credibility and german credibility was something they needed to do something about, to show solidarity and show he is on the same page. what putin is asking for, germany is not going to give him anymore than the united states, the roleback for nato to 1970s levels, not going to happen. if germany or france showed a little more understanding to russia than perhaps washington does, the bottom line is they are on the same page on the principles that are involved here and putin will have to figure something out unless he wants to invade. >> i read something along the lines that you are not at risk as being a ally to the united states. thank you.
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still ahead, officials are calling it a siege and a nationwide insurrection. the mayor of ottawa declared a state of emergency. we will go live to the capital of canada where a collection of truckers and other protesters are trying to shutdown the city over vaccine mandates. donald trump not only tore up official white house documents, but he also took some of them with him to mar-a-lago. why the national archives had to intervene. china's record of human rights records are also in the spotlight. spotlight. plus, superior nutrition. because the way we care is anything but ordinary. ♪♪ because the way we care is anything but ordinary. aleve-x. it's fast, powerful long-lasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design.
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situation a, quote, nationwide insurrection. >> we need more help. we are asking for that help. we are starting to receive that help, but we need more to get this done. >> the protests that have been going on for over a week have not resulted in any serious physical violence so far, but they have evolved into a rallying point for opposition to canadian prime minister, trudeau, and joining me now is parliamentary reporter, annie bergeron. i think this might be the first introduction for a lot of americans as to what is going on there, so please explain what is happening. ? >> this is what protesters called the freedom convoy behind
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me. initially this started as a convoy of truckers and individuals that disliked the fact that the federal government had a mandate for truckers, meaning any trucker that came into canada, you had be vaccines or quarantine for 14 days and now it has grown into a movement, a place where individuals opposed to all things covid in terms of lockdowns and vaccinations in general, and people just opposed in general to more centrist policies, it has become a rallying cry for those individuals. it's more of a protest, and now this is going on for 11 days and the streets downtown are blocked and you can hear the horns behind me, and those are generally blaring every day from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., and a lot of residents have not been able to sleep or work and most businesses in this downtown core of a million people have been
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closed over a week. >> a police officer needed help, and i believe it was more than a police officer, maybe a chief. we have heard it called a nationwide insurrection. it sounds like you are talking about closed streets in the center of town there. it sounds like it's causing havoc not just in that city but across the country? >> reporter: yeah, so the clip was from our police chief in ottawa, and he said the ottawa police is overwhelmed and he does not have the resources to deal with what he's calling a seize and occupation. ottawa, like any capital city, is used to protests, and they set up a game like you would see on "price is right", and they have villages, building structures on the street to keep people warm and they have a full set -- i saw pizza ovens the other day, and some protesters
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had a hot tub set up. they don't have the resources, this situation is too volatile. we are now at a point where all of the trucks have lots of fuel and it's getting too dangerous to do anything. >> it's incredible to hear they have saunas or pizza ovens set up. >> reporter: three of them. >> it's not just truckers, and i have heard there are qanon supporters in the crowd? >> reporter: yeah, over the weekend we have seen swastikas and lots of donald trump flags as well, and let's go brandon chants, the political saying in the u.s., and organizers have connections to white nationalists groups, and they say the unelected appointed senate should throw the
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government out if vaccine mandates are not dropped. one, vaccine mandates in canada are federal and the senate is appointed and has no ability to kick out elected officials. >> thank you so much for joining us. a wild story up there in ottawa. appreciate all the reporting and your time. thank you. now on to new jersey where the governor announced plans to lift school mandates in the second week of march. students and school employees will no longer have to cover up in the classroom. >> we are not removing the ability of individual district leaders to maintain and enforce such a policy within their schools or any private child care provider from maintaining such a policy within their business should community conditions require. >> new jersey's case count nosedived in recent weeks, and joining me is nbc news
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correspondent, vaughn hilliard. is there another policy in place if students start testing positive? >> reporter: that was the concern of phil murphy, and what he said is he did not want to lift the mask mandate in the schools until they felt it was a reasonable time to do so and he said every time we think we figured this out, it humbles us, speaking with the waves and the widespread of omicron. one of the concerns when we are talking about schools is the fact that the vaccination rates in so many places remains low, individuals under the age of 18. look at nationwide here, we are talking 12 to 17-year-olds, 56% vaccinated. when you go to 5 to 11-year-olds, that number is 22%. of course kids under 5 are still not able to be vaccinated here at this time. at the same time, you just said, the numbers here in new jersey have plummeted.
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it was at the front of the omicron wave, and we are looking at new jersey at 3,000 cases on any average day now. at the same time when you are looking around the country, the masking of children in schools have been such a hot point in covid politics. there are 16 states including washington, d.c. that have mask mandates in schools. in the state of delaware, their governor announcing next month they would be lifting their own mask mandate in schools and now the attention turns to new york where the governor indicated she will make a potential announcement come the end of this week as well. >> i know there are a lot of parents out there who were pro vaccine and onboard for all of the restrictions and believe in science and they believe i think it's time to take the masks off children, and that being said i want to give a teacher's perspective, i have been texting with a teacher in new jersey that i know, and she described what has been happening in the last year, and she has been a teacher for 14 years, and she
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said this is the worst year of teaching i ever had and i am trying to look for a career change, and i thought virtual was bad and this is worst, and there's nothing usual about what is happening right now. the kids are behind academically, just starting now to catchup where i feel i can build and emotionally, it's wild, even just how they act in the classroom, fifth graders in my room have not been in a full school year since second grade and they behave that way. listen, it has been a lot for teachers, she said she cried in her boss's office, and she's not a person that normally cries, as somebody that knows her. teachers are dealing with a lot. be patient with everybody, if you can, out there. coming up, new reporting on donald trump's habit of tearing up white house documents, and what it means for the investigation into january 6th. and a moratorium on no-knock
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we are following the fallout in the republican party after the rnc voted to censure representatives liz cheney and kinzinger. they said they were, quote, participating in a democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in -- here's what it gets interesting, political discourse. not all republicans are embracing that political discourse version of the capitol riot on january 6th. pence broke with trump publicly saying trump was wrong on what pence could do. >> katy, there's senators and perhaps even house members -- we have not seen a lot of those yet that don't think that that is the right message heading into the midterms.
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you can be sure that images of january 6th and people beating up cops and the words political legitimate discourse are going to be in a campaign ad coming across the country this campaign season, because with the rnc moving forward on that, and voting on that resolution, that is the official position of the republican party now, even though there are some republicans that have spoken out against it, even though vice president mike pence on friday just hours after the rnc moved forward with that said the former president is wrong, saying he could not have overturned the election. what this does, a party that is wanting to be solely focused on president joe biden heading into the midterms is now fractured because they have some of the party trying to appease the former president and trying to appease the far-right components of the base, they came out with that position while other
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members of the party would rather not talk about january 6th and look ahead, katy. >> we knew former president biden had a habit of destroying paper documents. today we are learning new details about how wide and indiscriminate that was. archivists had to tape together multiple documents donald trump ripped off and shifted through burn bags for documents not issued for destruction. multiple sources told "the posts" the archivists had to receive several boxes of material from mar-a-lago, and they were taken from the white house that contained gifts including the love letters from
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north korea's kim jong-un in addition to a letter left by barack obama for his successor. josh, am i wrong to say it's remarkable that the national archives had to go down to mar-a-lago to get back what was theirs? >> when former president trump left he took several things that were public records to mar-a-lago, and folks at the national archives characterized that internally as unprecedented, they never had to go and retrieve things from a former president. this happened about a year after he left the white house, the archives had to go to florida state and get multiple boxes and shift through and categorize what was in them, and one of the things they found was the kim jong-un letters and the letter
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from barack obama, his predecessor. part of the reason he did this is they knew a lot of the documents existed and were not turned over, and they realized some of the things were missing and we have to figure out where they are, and mar-a-lago is where they were. >> were they discovering there were things they didn't know about that they also needed to get their hands on? >> well, we don't precisely know what all they had found. that's what we are trying to think about, still. there are multiple boxes of gifts from world leaders and notes and letters and an assortment of things, and the folks at the national archives have not been able to go through the material yet, and if they have additional things i don't have the answer to that, but we're continuing to report. >> what about the habit that the president had of tearing up documents? tell me what that was? >> we reported over the
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presidency, he was indiscriminate of ripping up articles, mundane, newspaper articles and briefing memos, and also more sensitive documents so it was an elaborate system put in place to go through the garbage bins in the white house particularly in the dining room off the oval and put those pieces of paperback together, and we can assume maybe erroneously that that practice may have stopped after it was exposed, but it did not, and there were multiple chiefs of staff and white house lawyers that encouraged the former president to stop destroying the documents, so it was kind of a back-end effort put in place to put them back together, and that way when the national archives and the january 6th committee
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were sifting through the troves, some of the documents were put back together, and some were not put together and they are trying to put them back together themselves. >> thank you for bringing us that reporting. we appreciate it. human rights casting a shadow over the beijing olympics. and then so why did police enter the home where a 22-year-old was staying without warning? was was staying without warning?that ch. ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪
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unannounced and he was not named on the warrant. he appeared to have a gun in his hand. here's a still from the portion of the body cam footage they released. the family said the gun was legally purchased. >> it's unacceptable. he was executed by the mpd, and i want everybody to know that my son is going to make sure that everybody across the united states is going to be able to sleep on the couch without having to be worried of being executed by the police. >> the mayor of minneapolis imposed a moratorium on no-knock warrants, a practice that was supposed to be at the very least restricted back in 2020. shack brewster is following this story. help me understand how the use of no-knock warrants was restricted back in 2020 yet this
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happened to amir locke. >> the mayor announced a new no-knock warrant policy in the months after george floyd's murder, and the first time the no-knock warrant policy was instituted, and the idea was to have all officers operating under the school playbook when they do the no-knock warrants and the idea was to reduce the amount of no-knock warrants the department was doing, and it doesn't seem like that number went down significantly. now no-knock warrants are back facing that scrutiny. members of the city council are having a look at no-knock warrants and how they can be better implemented. you mentioned the moratorium the mayor put in place, he did that on friday after the shooting of locke, and that pause will be in place until a group of experts come in, two national experts
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will come in and review the policy and create a new policy for the department to operate under, but that is the real central piece of the legislation, and the members of the community protesting, they were doing a car caravan on saturday, and on friday you saw them in the frigid temperatures protesting, and they are calling on the officer to be fired. >> can you explain what happened in this case? amir locke, he was not named in the warrant and he was on his cousin's couch. do you know why he was there in the first place and who they were looking for? >> not much we know in terms of the details, and there were open questions. part of this has to do with the minneapolis police department executing the search warrant, and it was the st. paul police
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department, and it was a homicide investigation, and we don't know what they recovered in the apartment as part of the search they were participating in. we know there were multiple apartments in the downtown high-rise building that were searched that way, but there were still many, many open questions. that's part of why you have leaders in minneapolis calling for patience, and you have a lot of frustration, people who see the parents of amir locke and feel for them and want them to react as quick as possible. coming up, a chinese tennis star that vanished after accusing a high ranking official of sexual assault resurfaces for an explanation that raises even more questions than answers. n n mo qreuestions than answers.you♪
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freely during the game after chinese officials said they could be subjected to punishment. here with me now is nbc news senior international correspondent keir simmons. what's been happening? >> there is increasing controversy, i've got to say, surrounding the interview the chinese tennis player peng shuai gave to a french newspaper organization. you will remember she made the accusation of sexual assault last year and that accusation she then deleted from her social media account. she has said that people have misunderstood her, but there are pictures of chinese officials standing in the background of this interview. so there's controversy swirling and swirling too over the uighur athlete who lit the olympic cauldron, appears to have left her event without having answers questions from journalists,
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coming in 43rd in the ski athlon. that's just some of the controversy swelling around these olympics. >> what about in terms of the americans ability -- or athletes' ability to speak their minds? i know there was concern here at home nancy pelosi saying to american athletes who were thinking about protesting the opening ceremony not to risk it, that it wasn't worth it? >> that's right, katy, there has been that debate and the biden administration very much standing firm american athletes should be able to speak their minds, no matter what in, in china. of course, there are concerns -- there's been a video of a dutch television reporter being kind of man handled by chinese officials. the eioc are saying that's just
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the day's biggest headlines about to be made as we're coming on the air and you will see it here live. look at the other side of your screen. any minute the pentagon is set to give an update on the crisis between russia and ukraine, with u.s. troops now on the ground in eastern europe. the whole thing, aimed at preventing an all-out war. at the white house ununderneath you see president biden about to speak, after speaking with a key ally and that working together for no further regression. and that is expected between 15 minutes from now. i'm hallie jackson in walk with
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you on this busy monday with nbc's mike memoli at the white house, err an mclachlan in ukraine and the defense assistant secretary for europe and nato under president obama is with us as well. let me go to you, mike, first. we're waiting for the pentagon hearing to start any minute here but we're also expecting that news conference, with president biden and the german chancellor in about 15 minutes. the backdrop is what everybody will be watching and listening for, right? sanctions against russia, if they can move forward on that. the standoff over the nord stream 2 pipeline and how much of a united front will there be with germany now saying any invasion -- we heard this with the german chancellor saying there might be a united response, which the u.s. likes to hear. >> absolutely, hallie. when you think about the
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