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new reaction right now on
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msnbc the senate's most powerful republican calling out his own party, partly. mitch mcconnell not going along with the rnc's description of the deadly capitol insurrection as legitimate political discourse nor its censure of two fellow republicans saying the party really shouldn't be going after any of their own. watch. >> the issue is whether or not the rnc should be sort of singling out members of our party who may have different views from the majority. that's not the job of the rnc. >> our capitol hill and political team standing by with that. also this hour new details coming in on the january 6 investigation. what sources are telling us about what exactly donald trump was doing the morning before the riot. why he demanded to talk with mike pence. and why his vp mashed that decline button figuratively at first. we'll start with breaking news out of washington. peter alexander is outside the house. we have just learned that second
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gentleman doug imhoff at an event today and was ushered out fast because of a security concern. students and staff at the school evacuated. what do we know? >> reporter: that is exactly right. this happened at 2:18 today. the second gentleman, the vice president's husband doug imhoff was at an event here in washington, d.c. at dunbar high school. he was ushered off the stage by secret service agents during this event. we have now heard that while the students remain evacuated, they are on a playing field outside of the school, itself, that there was a bomb threat now confirmed by the d.c. public school superintendent, just confirming now it was a bomb threat responsible for the security situation that ultimately led to the second gentleman being cleared from that building, evacuated, as were the students at the time. we've reached out independently to the secret service as well as the office of the second gentleman and have heard nothing back from them. obviously they take it very
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seriously when there are any threats of this kind not just with the president and first lady but also of course with the vice president and the second gentleman, the first second gentleman ever for united states. as we get more details we will share it with you. as best we understand it he was whisked away in the middle of this presentation where he was speaking to students in an effort to help with a new program there that helps young students better relate to history. they were living some history as it turned out today. >> yes, peter. i should note for folks why we're not seeing some of these images no tv cameras were with him today, correct? >> reporter: that is exactly right. there was the pool that traveled out of the building with him. there were some reporters on the ground but whether we get any images, we'll keep you posted about that. jen psaki was just asked about it during the briefing that started moments ago and had no further comment to share. >> i'm sure details are still coming in. thank you very much for bringing us that breaking news at the top of the hour. another top story happening now, big developments involving the republican party on the
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hill. garrett, you were there i think trying to get a question to senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. he was getting asked the same question today about the rnc's censure of two republicans in which they describe the events of january 6th as legitimate political discourse that a lot of his fellow republicans have been asked. some answered. some dodged. this is what that sounded like as you know today. >> do you agree with that legitimate political discourse language that the rnc used in their censure? >> oh, that's their language, you know, i didn't write the motion or vote on it so i'll let them speak for themselves on that >> i like to think of the republican party as being a big tent party. >> i think the rnc is out of its lane quite honestly >> i think the discourse right now needs to focus on a failing economy, failed afghanistan response, and my opinion getting majorities in the house and senate. >> there's a lot there from those republicans and as you heard from mcconnell he was pretty clear he thought the rnc
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was getting out of its lane, too, at least on the censure of those two republicans liz cheney and adam kinzinger. >> oh, yeah. not just on the censure. he also disagreed entirely with the idea of the legitimate political discourse line. mcconnell said, look. we were all here on january 6th and it was a violent insurrection. those were the words he used to describe it. meant to stop the peaceful transfer of power. no equivocating there. as for the rnc, well, he's pretty unhappy with the way they're choosing to conduct themselves. this is what he said to that portion of the question. >> with regard to the suggestion that the rnc should be in the business of picking and choosing republicans who ought to be supported, traditionally the view of the national party committees is that we support all members of our party regardless of their positions on some issues. >> that said, mcconnell said he does still have confidence in the rnc chairwoman rona
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mcdaniels, so with all these republicans but the party leaders especially the sooner this story goes away the better they'll feel about it. mcconnell trying to take it head on. >> listen, pull me back from the edge if i'm getting over my skis here. you make the point that, yes, mitch mcconnell called it a violent insurrection but in some ways acknowledging that it was not legitimate political discourse is simply acknowledging the reality and the facts on the ground of what happened that day. there was no full throated i hate the word rebuke as you know but scolding of mcconnell for that piece of it for the rnc. it felt like he was more displeased about the censure portion although as you said he was also asked if he had confidence in rona mcdaniel and said he did. >> look, i speak conversational mcconnell. i think that's as strong as you'll see from him. he will talk about the way he sees things. he usually tries to stay very narrowly in his own lane when it comes to issues like this.
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that is why you don't see him going out and picking fights with trump for example who he hasn't spoken with in more than a year. in this case he made very clear what his view was on january 6th. his frustration with even talking about this. i mean, it is the guiding light for republicans that if they can run on joe biden and on the last year coming up in this midterm they're having a good go of it. if they're talking about january 6th they're losing and mcconnell knows that better than anyone. >> you might as well anchor the show for me. that is exactly what we're talking about. let me go to you. you've experienced this, too. you are running around on the hill after republican senators asking them to respond to a comment in this instance to what happened, what we saw with the rnc. you have some reporting on this, too. tell us about it. >> yes, haillie we were asking senators and republicans and some thought this was an avoidable news cycle,
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undermining their message they are a big tent party, putting them in the situation where they are going after two of their own. it is a year, almost a year after they ousted liz cheney from leadership and all of the attention was on the internal republican vision. they want to be talking about biden and policy heading into the midterms. then they just had to come and really kind of take this move that was meant to appeal to more of the trump base. and so there are some who say, the freedom caucus members, they wish there was more done to take actions against cheney and kinzinger including kicking them out of conference. but a lot of the members that i talked to sort of gave tepid responses like why do we have to do that? and the ones who sort of threaded the needle was when i said can you respond to this and i got a flat no. >> which, you know, at least they're telling you instead of using a bunch of word salad to say it. if you're going to try to find the silver lining on that. mark, let me go to you. olivia and garrett brother up
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this issue that pleases are at large would much rather be running against president biden, right? you have quantified this in "first read" today and talked about how in the republican ads we've seen in this midterm year the top as you put it bogey man is joe biden. here is the disconnect in the messaging. republicans want to be talking about and are talking about in these ads this midterm year, the problem is, what donald trump is talking about. still the defacto leader in many ways of the party continuing to rail against the legitimate results of the 2020 election. not the messaging the gop wants right now. >> absolutely, and of course one of the reasons that you had so much more messaging on joe biden and the republicans have been able to air a lot more ads but also because donald trump doesn't have access to social media at all through twitter accounts or facebook accounts. the rallies that he ends upholding, the statements he ends up releasing get less attention than when he was in
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the white house. but, clearly, democrats want to be able to have a situation where they turn what is shaping up to be a referendum on president biden and democrats in charge of washington and democrats want to turn that into a choice that all of a sudden that, hey. you know, you might not think that i'm perfect but i'm better than the opposition. and being able to use imagery from january 6th to be able to talk about president trump, former president donald trump a whole lot more. that's what democrats would rather get to than having it all be about joe biden. >> thank you all for your reporting. i appreciate it. we want to stay on capitol hill with new details we hadn't heard before on then president trump's day on january 6th. apparently the house committee investigating the insurrection knows all about it with nbc news confirming mr. trump demanded to speak with then vp mike pence that morning. he wasn't able to get in touch with him at first though they connected later in the day with
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the former president pushing his vp to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 election. we'll hit on the discussion between mr. trump and jim jordan in a second but let me bring in nbc's betsy woodruff swan national correspondent at politico and msnbc contributor. of course a friend of the show along with our congressional correspondent leigh ann caldwell on the hill. it is your reporting from sources here of this new level, fairly granular detail from january 6th, but part of the timeline becoming more and more clear about what former president trump did and did not do on that day. >> reporter: yes, it is incremental and could seem insignificant but the january 6th select committee every single second is significant because it is a better understanding of what the former president did on that day. and, also, who he spoke to. we are told by sources that the former president tried to get
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mike pence on the phone. they were unable to connect. this was the morning of january 6th. eventually they did. they talked during an oval office meeting that was happening. pence joined by phone. during that meeting it has been well reported that was a very contentious meeting where general keith kellogg told the committee that the former president was telling mike pence he has to be more courageous, it is all coming down to him. but apparently mike pence resisted. we're also learning more about the phone call between jim jordan and the former president. we know now that jim jordan spoke with the former president at least twice on january 6th and that newly reported phone call that we reported last week that was the morning of january 6th that took place, that was about ten minutes long, we are told the reason that phone call happened is because the former president demanded it, talked to him, called him, got him on the phone on his cell phone and, so, while all of this might, like
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you said, seem incremental, it is clear that the january 6th select committee through documents received by the national archives of the trump administration and through committee testimony are getting a better understanding of what took place that day. >> i have to say we're looking at the reason why this is important is because what we are learning now fills in those gaps in the timeline that you're looking at on that wall right there. it adds in bullet points where we currently don't have them. it is painting a more complete picture of what happened. betsy, you heard the mention of those documents turned over to the committee from the national archives. talk a little bit based on your reporting about how that has in some ways supercharged this committee's investigation and the new pushback from the national archives which i find interesting today. they are telling you and it is on msnbc, we didn't raid mar-a-lago. i don't know who said they raided mar-a-lago but did get documents from mar-a-lago transmitted to them, 15 boxes worth from former president trump that he did not hand over as the white house was supposed to at the end of his
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administration. >> that's right. the reporting has been responsible, which is when trump and his allies left the white house. they took materials with them that they shouldn't have taken. you're not allowed to take boxes and boxes of stuff out of the white house just because it has sentimental value to you. documents that are governed by the presidential records act belong to the people of the united states not to the former president. when they belong to the people they go to the national archives. so that's what we've seen get reported out over the last couple days. now, unsurprisingly, some of the twitter commentary has perhaps gotten a little bit heated. national archives seems to be pushing back a little bit on some of the more hyperbolic characterizations of what happened. >> coming in on you know a bungee cord into mar-a-lago. that obviously did not happen >> i did not have that on my 2022 bingo card. even the most benign possible explanation of what happened here is still a really big deal which is a bunch of boxes of documents that belonged to the american people got taken away
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from where they should have been kept. in terms of what value the select committee has gotten from these documents of course at politico we published one of the documents the national archives transmitted to the select committee, an executive order not signed that called for the pentagon to seize voting machines. the fact that the committee has that document and, now, that people can read the text of the document for themselves has been incredibly revelatory about the efforts to overturn the election. i also viewed a separate document titled remarks on national healing. a document that was a first draft and speech trump gave on january 7th. it's stunning how different those draft remarks and the remarks trump delivered are from the way he is talking about the january 6th attack now. they couldn't have been delivered by totally different human beings. the contrast is just shocking.
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it highlights how much the political calculus that trump and his allies have made regarding january 6th has changed. it just couldn't have changed more. those are only two documents. by the way, that the select committee has gotten, they are both big deals. and i'm confident that there will be all sorts of other really interesting stuff in the reams of documents they're getting. >> betsy woodruff swan, leigh ann caldwell thank you very much to both of you for that. coming up this hour exclusive reporting you will only see here with president biden really thinks about other world leaders he is dealing with during this ukraine crisis describing one as blustery saying another has no friends. plus, to mask or not to mask? breaking down what you need to know if you are confused by conflicting and changing guidance. first breaking news just in as we've been on the air from the supreme court. what a group of new york city public school teachers want the justices to do. we have pete williams scrambling to a camera and will have that in a second. a and will have that in a second.
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we told you about the breaking news at the top of the show here. the second gentleman vice president kamala harris' husband doug imhoff evacuated from dunbar high school in the middle of his event. here are some of the photos. according to the pool reporter traveling with the second gentleman, no television pool with him, just i think one or a handful of print reporters, somebody came up to him, a secret service member. said something to him like we have to go now. he was basically whisked away, ushered out. you are seeing some of the pictures of students, staff, and others who had to be evacuated from the building. the d.c. public school system saying it appears this was a bomb threat. we're obviously working on more information and will bring it as we get it. we wanted to show you in real time what we are getting in on this developing news. speaking of breaking news, a group of new york city public school teachers wants the supreme court and have just asked the justices to block a vaccine mandate for employees
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who are not given a religious exemption. i want to bring in nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, what do we know? >> these are public school employees in new york city. teachers, administrators, other school staff who applied for a religious exemption which is allowed under the policy but were denied and they say that violates their religious freedom. what they say is that under new york policy for example they have to get a written letter of support or message of support from a religious leader and they say that isn't possible for people for example who don't belong to any organized religious group. secondly, they say, the vaccine exemption is not given to people who are in religious organizations if the head of that organization has publicly endorsed vaccinations. so, for example, they say, because of pope john paul's -- the pope's position on vaccines, some roman catholics aren't getting the vaccine exemption.
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for all these reasons they want the supreme court to act. they want the court to act quickly. they say many of these teachers and public school employees are already getting messages now, letters telling them that if they don't get the vaccine or agree to just stay voluntarily on leave without pay, they'll be fired by february 14th. >> pete williams, keeping on top of that story for us. thank you. we want to turn to what is happening now in minnesota with students today protesting, walking out of school, many of them in honor of amir locke the 22-year-old black man shot and killed last week while police were carrying out a no knock police warrant. you are seeing some of the images of the students activists here. we should note police have confirmed amir locke's name was not on that warrant. they say locke had a gun in his hand when they went in to execute the warrant but locke's family says the police went in while he was sleeping at his cousin's house. the gun was legally his. today you have the students marching to the governor's mansion to make new calls for justice. i want to bring in nbc's antonia
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hilton keeping an eye on this for us. i know you spoke with some of the organizers of the walk out. how big was it? where do they hope this movement goes next? >> reporter: these students i spoke to this morning were really heartbroken and specifically channelling that heart break and anger into policy action and a focus on the policy you just mentioned. no knock warrants. the practice at the center of what happened to amir locke on wednesday and also the center of the breonna taylor case which happened in louisville, kentucky. no knock warrants are pretty self-explanatory. the words kind of explain themselves in the sense that police are supposed to, or in that case do not have the requirement to knock or loudly announce their intentions when they enter. not only do these teenagers who organized this walk out today but also researchers around the country say no knock warrants as policy are incredibly dangerous not only for people like amir locke who may be inside their
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apartments or breonna taylor, asleep, often in the middle of the night when these warrants are executed but also for the police on the other side of the door. and so for many students they are heartbroken, angry, and on the street calling for change but they are specifically asking for the minneapolis leadership and really actually statewide leadership to pass a ban on no knock warrants entirely. take a listen to my conversation with one of the organizers today. >> we've seen that no knock warrants have been damaging to our communities especially black and brown communities. this is literally breonna taylor in minnesota. so we are inspired because we want to see our dreams and aspirations for a future as youth come to full fruition. >> what is also fueling the hurt here is that actually back in november of 2020, minneapolis mayor jacob frey announced a policy change that police would be required to announce their purposes and intent before they crossed a threshold and entered
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people's homes. people interpreted that announcement from him and the police chief at the time to mean that no knock warrants were banned. they were not in fact actually banned. and so in addition to the hurt and anger over the killing of amir locke who like you said was not named on this warrant, didn't have a criminal history here, there is also this anger at jacob frey and the communication or miscommunication really over that policy and now these young people and other folks across the entire state of minnesota want accountability on that front and they want a no excuses no exceptions ban to no knock warrants passed. >> antonia hylton thank for staying on top of the story for us this afternoon. coming up the new back tracking from the white house in the last hour when asked about the top scientist who just resigned and why some say his ouster took way too long. plus why johnson & johnson is quietly apparently stopping production of its covid vaccine. production of its covid vaccine.
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[ mid-tempo music playing ] ♪♪ ♪♪ why don't you do cool spins? uh, people need to read it. i can't read it. [ chuckles ] that's 'cause you're like 4. 4 1/2. switch to progressive, and you can save hundreds. you know, like the sign says. in the last hour you had the white house press secretary sharing new details on why the white house accepted the resignation of chief scientist eric lander who stepped down after the allegations of bullying, psaki now saying it was clear he wasn't able to run
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his department effectively. >> it was made clear to him through the course of the day yesterday i suppose that he could no longer lead ostp effectively and he conveyed that in his letter. the president accepted his resignation. >> of course just 24 hours ago she was facing questions about lander then. here is what she said monday. >> dr. lander's record was thoroughly examined as a part of his confirmation and he received bipartisan support including final confirmation with a voice vote. >> this whole thing comes after a white house investigation and complaint a couple months ago. lander resigning and acknowledging that at times he says he crossed the line into being disrespectful and demeaning, saying that was never his intention. keep in mind the backdrop to all of this, the pledge that president biden made in the very early hours on day one of his administration. >> i'm not joking when i say this. if you ever are working with me and i hear you treated another
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colleague with disrespect, talked down to someone, i promise you i will fire you on the spot. >> i want to bring in now nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander. talk about the white house explanation for the let's say evolution of what happened with eric lander here especially given that president biden very famously made very clear, trying to draw a contrast with the prior administration. >> reporter: right. >> -- that you had to have a high level of personal character to work in the administration despite some of these -- then these questions came up about lander. by the way, another instance in which the biden administration was trying to draw a contrast with the trump administration by naming somebody to that position. >> reporter: that is exactly right. on the topic of science they wanted to be at the forefront based on their belief system the previous president did not or not even their belief the fact that he did not embrace science in a lot of his public comments and also on this topic of the treatment of colleagues here at the white house, this president wanted to send a very different message as he did on day one that if you mistreat anybody
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you'll be fired on the spot and he would do that. the question obviously came up why lander had resigned and was not fired in this situation and as jen psaki just communicated within the last hour she said that internal investigation did find that he had mistreated subordinates, something that he apologized for in his resignation letter but as psaki made it clear it was communicated to him he could no longer be in that position. so whether he was publicly fired or allowed to resign in either case he is no longer in that position. lander was significant for a variety of reasons most notably the office of science and technology was embracing and leading to key issues to president biden himself. the cancer moon shot personally significant to president biden, he lost his son to cancer seven years ago in 2015 and secondly a different proposal the president had been suggesting, had been putting forward which was one that would be embracing efforts to try to find advanced medical breakthroughs to deal with significant illnesses, diseases
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like cancer, diabetes, and alzheimer's. another one where the top white house scientist was leading the way. as i was just walking out here to speak to you jen psaki was asked if there was any replacement in mind or when there would be a new person in that position. it is a cabinet position we should note. psaki said the president has great faith in the people who are working on behalf of science and technology for him at this time so the efforts continue in the absence of mr. lander. >> peter alexander, doing double duty for us there at the white house today. thank you very much. so as we talk about science we obviously talk about covid and the pandemic and right now some of the mixed messaging happening about whether you should mask up or not especially in school. k-12 school. the cdc says, yeah. wear masks especially in places like schools but right now you have this interesting dichotomy from other states saying, you don't have to wear one. in fact, some states loosening the rules for masks in schools. then this other pandemic
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headline you have today johnson & johnson saying it is going to pause production, which you have to think is going to affect maybe some of the vaccination efforts in other countries especially for example in places in africa where j.j. has a contract with the african union and is trying to get the shot to as many people as possible. i want to bring in the director of the boston university center for emerging infectious diseases policy and research and msnbc medical contributor also a friend of the show. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> let's start with the j&j news. what does it mean they won't produce more vaccine? they obviously have a stockpile but their vaccine has been it seems part of the puzzle piece when it comes to the global fight against the pandemic. >> that's right. it is also important because it is a one dose vaccine. as we've now found a couple things have changed in this thing. in the whole parameter where they were the bed rock of covax's strategy to vaccinate the world. one is we're realizing you may
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need additional doses of all the vaccines to really get protection from the new variants. it looks like you need new doses. part of this is what is going to happen to those who got their first doses of johnson & johnson and haven't gotten the second dose. johnson & johnson's actually fallen behind in general on their production so covax and w.h.o. and others and the african union have had to expand to other vaccine candidates including mrna vaccines. so put all of this against the backdrop of the fact we're learning a lot more about some of the more common vaccines available, some which china produces don't seem to be as effective against omicron. all of this means the need for vaccines globally is going up even as we realize that johnson & johnson are the main contender, the candidate potentially pulling back production. that could have dire consequences and actually puts i would think in my mind puts a lot of pressure on making sure the existing vaccine producers make it possible to be able to produce more or to democratize
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manufacturing, be able to make these vaccines in different places so we are able to meet the need. >> let me ask you about the other headline today. one of them. specifically about masks with the cdc saying, okay. keep your masks on in places where there could be areas of high transmission like schools. now you have more and more governors saying students can take them off in schools. you know, who's got it right here? if you're sending your kid to school are you sending them in a mask or not? >> yeah, so here is the question. what was the reason for the mask mandates to begin with? in my mind it was to reduce transmission. we've seen actually infections and even more importantly currently during the omicron wave because 30% of all pediatric infections during this pandemic happened during january, during last month in the setting of omicron. so reducing transmission, reducing illnesses and hospitalizations. the question states have to ask is what conditions have changed? some have said the cases are coming down. you know, i don't think there is a single place that would meet completely what cdc defines as
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lower transmission areas currently. so now is probably not the right time. the other thing i think we need to approach this strategy differently is states are setting just a day on the calendar. you know, you can't, if your goal is to reduce infections and transmissions you have to use some metrics that are related to is the risk for the individual going to school decreasing? are the infection rates high enough in that population? those to me make a bit more sense than coming up with strategies in terms of when to scale back. the other thing to think about is when, you know, down the road when cases are low, the things we have to think about are that it gets more complex. trade-offs are more complex. say ten cases per 100,000. you know, you have much more vaccination among kids and things like that. and there we really have to think about, we all think about mask on mask off. what i want to hear more conversation about is if the mask mandates go away what will we do better to protect the vulnerable? we have to also consider that. will we continue to give high
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quality masks, make the testing available? how will we make sure we know when it is time to put on the masks again? those things need to be figured out before we need to rush to take those mandates off. >> it's always good to have your expertise on the show. thank you very much. appreciate it. next up some exclusive new reporting here at msnbc taking us behind closed doors in the west wing. president biden is privately saying about some of our friends abroad as they navigate this ukraine crisis together. later, some breaking news from the doj seizing billions in bit coin. this is its biggest financial seizure ever. wait till you hear the details about the couple at the center of it all. at the center of it all. manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month,
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news has learned from people who heard the president use these descriptions in closed door sessions. on mr. putin the president called him a guy with nukes and no friends. the president described boris johnson as blustery. as for emmanuel macron of france mr. biden says he wants to be charles de gaulle and on the german chancellor scholz he is no angela merkel apparently. the kremlin is pushing back on claims from macron the two struck a deal to de-escalate the crisis. talk to us about your new reporting and some of the challenges the president is facing. we've talked about this. he is navigating this, you know, this international crisis with allies with whom he is mostly sometimes on the same page with and sometimes there are some differences here and now this glimpse based on your reporting on what that is like for him behind closed doors. >> one of the big issues is
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president biden has decades of foreign policy service, long standing relationships with many foreign leaders but he's only been in the presidency for about a year and he's actually just getting to know some of the people he is right in the middle of this crisis with, people like boris johnson, emmanuel macron, and even olaf scholz who you just mentioned the new german chancellor has only been in office about nine weeks. in an odd twist here the one leader who he is really, president biden is really dealing with a lot here who he has the longest relationship with is vladimir putin. so this is something that president biden as you well know relies a lot on these relationships when he is dealing with a foreign crisis, dealing with some sort of a situation. so that may be part of the frustration here. he just doesn't have the long standing relationships with these individuals. we did talk to the national security council about this. in response to our story emily more than a spokesperson for the nfs said in a statement this
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anonymous gossip doesn't resemble in any way what the president says or thinks about his counterparts whom he respects and values and she said president biden is pleased with the exceptional cooperation between the united states and our european allies. that is another issue here, and that is that the united states and all of the western european allies have not always been on the same page. that played out in front of all of us yesterday at the white house when president biden declared that if vladimir putin invades ukraine the united states would be certain to be sure that nordstream 2 the pipeline that would supply gas from russia would never be activated. it would not actually begin supplying gas. the german chancellor of course when asked over and over during his visit here to washington would not make that same declaration. jen psaki was asked about it at the white house briefing today as well and she made it very clear without giving specifics that the united states would stand behind that pledge to make sure nordstream 2 is not
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dot to. >> the doj's biggest financial seizure of all times. involves $4.5 billion worth of the stolen crypto. the justice department says it arrested a married couple stolen during a 2016 hack. the deputy attorney general shows in this case, crypto is not a safe haven for criminals. ken, talk to us about the two people arrested here. i think they were set to make their court appearance in the last couple of minutes. what do we know about that and them generally? >> we know not very much about them. i mean, he is on linkedin portraying himself as an angel investor. she appears to have recorded a rap video and has authored a piece about how to protect yourself against cyber criminals, irony of ironies.
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they recovered stolen bitcoin valued at $3.6 billion. goes back to 2016 when bit finance was hacked. nearly 120,000 bitcoin were stolen. at the time, it was valued at about $71 million, but thanks to a huge spike, it's now worth 4.5 billion and the doj says it recovered most of that. they did it the old fashioned way, by following the money. in this case, they used incredibly sophisticated software on the blockchain which is a public ledger of every sale. although this couple took sophisticated steps to hide their trail, the irs and others seized it out and charged the couple with conspiracy. the charges carry a penalty of up to 25 years in prison. what's ironic is that court records say they only spent a
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small fraction of the money. they are not accused of orchestrating the hack itself. bitcoin proponents are celebrating this case because it shows that bitcoin is easier to trace than cash because the blockchain is immutable. it's there forever. >> interesting story. thank you. now to one of this year's biggest election battles. more broadly, about elections access. the critical tool during the pandemic for a lot of voters specifically, ballot drop boxes. in the key state of wisconsin, it's possible those boxes could start to disappear. something that would overwhelmingly affect communities of color, marginalized communities. a statewide ruling expected after next week's primary election, but they're now expected to stay in place. you've been talking to elections officials there. talk to us about the opposition to ballot drop box access?
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that's something former president trump has spoken about. and the impact that would have. >> one of the first things you hear them say is that these drop boxes are mobile more secure than your mailbox. there's a seal. there's tracing. there's paperwork that shows who's taking the ballots out. there's video monitoring. they're saying any claims that this leads to more fraud is simply false. then you go to the idea of access. these boxes make it easier for people to be able to guarantee their vote gets submitted. when you talk to people who are encouraging those to get out the vote, those voter engagement group, they're saying if these boxes disappear, especially in places like milwaukee in this battleground state, it could have a serious impact. listen to some of our conversations. >> i basically started using the drop box when this covid hit because i didn't want to go into these buildings with the stuff going on. >> we saw there was delays in the postal system and so there
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were people that didn't get their ballot in time. there were some people that got their ballot on election day and so were able to use it in the drop box and use the drop box in order for their vote to be counted. it can greatly affect turnout. >> that last point is incredibly important in a state like wisconsin. even if you put your ballot in the mail a week before election day and somehow it doesn't get to the clerk until after the close ol polls on election day, that vote won't count. that's why you have election officials talking about the importance of these boxes. people who are against the boxes, they're saying that wisconsin law doesn't allow drop boxes. the law says it needs to be returned in person or by mail. they don't consider this qualifying for either of those two. >> thank you. and thanks to all of you for watching this hour of hallie jackson reports. you can find us on twitter.
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national committee so censure liz cheney and adam kinzinger for participating in the committee all in the name of unifying the party has actually backfired and instead, it has forced republicans to come to grips with its decision to embrace the former president in the wake of that january 6th attack. backlash came today from an unexpected corner. the senate republican caucus. here's mitch mcconnell. >> you saw what happened. it was a violent insurrection. for the purpose of trying prevent a peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next. that's what it was. the issue is whether or not the rnc should be sort of singling out members

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