liz cheney and adam kinzinger for participating in the committee all in the name of unifying the party has actually backfired and instead, it has forced republicans to come to grips with its decision to embrace the former president in the wake of that january 6th attack. backlash came today from an unexpected corner. the senate republican caucus. here's mitch mcconnell. >> you saw what happened. it was a violent insurrection. for the purpose of trying prevent a peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next. that's what it was. the issue is whether or not the rnc should be sort of singling out members of our party who may

have different views from the majority. that's not the job of the rnc. >> his comments coming just a day after a number of gop senators including allies of the former president criticized the rnc for passing that resolution. >> with the first question, i think the rnc's out of its lane, quite honestly. >> i talked to ronna, she's a good lady, and the statement, she was talking about things other than violence. you know, i think all of us up here want to talk about forward not backward. >> we've got issues that we should be focusing on besides censuring two members of congress because they have a different opinion. >> do you agree with the action, actually censuring cheney and kinzinger? >> you know, it's not my job, but they said in the resolution they wanted republicans to be unified. that was not a unifying action.

>> anything that my party does that comes across as being stupid is not going to help us. >> romney also told reporters that he contacted rnc chair who is his niece about that resolution. politico sums up by saying quote, they warned that alienating a portion of the party for being anti-trump is not a political winner heading into the midterms. a sharp message from sitting members that goes far beyond criticism already aired by a handful of gop pundits. of course, republicans find themselves in this situation because and let's be clear about it, in the wake of january 6th, the party embraced the former president who is still laser focused on his election defeat. that's why you see things like this. former u.s. ambassador, nikki hailey, calling out mike pence for rebuking trump and stating the simple fact that we all know that he did not have the power to overturn the election.

>> look, mike pence is a good man. he's an honest man. i think he did what he thought was right. on that day, but i will always say i just, i'm not a fan of republicans going against republicans because the only ones that win when that happens are the democrats and the media. >> of course, no mention there of the former president's many, many attacks on republicans all across the country. that didn't seem to bother her. take a listen to florida governor, ron desantis. >> i'm not -- i've you know, had a great relationship working for, actually, was governor for two years with the trump administration. >> that is where we begin today. sam stein is here with us. also with us, democratic strategist and director of the public policy program at hunter

college, basil smikel. and getting a head start on super bowl celebrations there for jay borrow. garrett, i'm going to start with you. strong words from mitch mcconnell today. certainly as strong as i've seen from any republican criticizing this resolution. >> yeah, i think he wanted to slam the door on this story. he's tired of taking questions about it. he's tired of his members taking questions about it and he wanted to put it in simple terms. january 6th was a violent insurrection. it was meant to stop the peaceful of transfer of power and he said the rnc has no business going after individual members. that that's basically not their job. the simple reality here for senate republicans is every day they spend talking about january 6th is a day they're not able to talk about joe biden and the president administration and they think that this is their

ticket back to the majority. not relitigating anything that happened in the trump era, especially not january 6th. house republicans don't exactly agree with that, but you know, mcconnell has made his point of view on this clear. although i will say he had the opportunity for there to have been a bipartisan commission. not a congressional committee at all that could investigate a january 6th. he could have washed his hands of this entirely. he shut that down. >> let me drill in on that point you brought up about the house republicans. what we're hearing from mcconnell is very different from what is coming out of house gop leadership. think of somebody like elise who replaced liz cheney as the gop conference chair. today, she said the rnc has ever right to take every action and the position i have is that you're ultimately held accountable to voters. do you have any insight as to why there is that difference between house gop and senate

gop? does it have something to do with trump? >> of course it does. everything in republican politics right now has something to do with trump and when it comes to retaking their majorities, the two republican leaders have fundamentally different views of how you do it. mitch mcconnell thinks it must be done by looking past trump. he's got members in his conference to prove it. someone like susan collins who tried to distance herself from trump. kevin mccarthy's made the opposite analysis. he thinks the only way they can take the majority is with trump in their corner so he's willing to take the steps necessary to make sure that's how his conference goes forward, but puts him in an awkward position. i've seen multiple reporters trying to pin him down in hallways and stairwells, anywhere we can find him, on something as simple as whether

or not this was legitimate political discourse and he can't give a straight answer on it because his aligning support with trump prevents him from doing so. >> so, tim, to that point, what do you make of mcconnell's points today? on one hand, he is being clear about how he saw the events of january 6th. he's been clear about it as of earlier today as well, but as garrett pointed out, he has no interest in trying to find out what it happened and who's responsible for it. >> yes. sam told me to get dressed up and i saw i was on tv with him so i put on my fanciest shirt for him. as far as mcconnell's concerned, i just want to say it's always better to say the right thing than to not. i was happy to see that mcconnell and cornyn and others are not playing footsie with

this notion that january 6th was legitimate political discourse. that said, the separation is between those that are close to republican voters and those that are removed. mitch mcconnell and cap toe, they don't have competitive general elections coming up soon. the rnc with the committee members have to answer to the people who show up to republican headquarters to volunteer. they have to answer to the super republican volunteers. they have to answer to the grass roots. they know what the grass roots wants. it wants january 6th apology. we had a anonymous vote to vote on the resolution in question. there were a couple of nays. i've only seen two of the 168 members put their name behind say they were one of the nays. henry barber of mississippi was one of them. you have an overwhelming number of republican member, they are speaking for the grass root of the republican party so this is

the problem. as long as the grass roots of the republican party is listening to donald trump, to the far right conservative media, being told the election was stolen from them. as long as you have half plus the republican party believing that this election, that joe biden is an illegitimate president, when mitch mcconnell having one press conference isn't going to do anything about it. all this is is mcconnell trying to move along the news cycle. >> i was going to say, mcconnell playing it safe from where he's sitting. basil, take us inside the brain trust. you must be look at this thinking this is great for your party. they see the divisions and they see a lack of willingness on the party. the republican party to condemn the rnc for using that language. legitimate political discourse. >> well, i got to tell you the first thing i thought when i was hearing this, particularly mitch

mcconnell, is that no one should ever say the democrats are in fighting or that we can't get our act together because this is what infighting really does look like. particularly when you're trying to litigate within your party whether the uprising was just legitimate political speech. i'm going to take my own advice in that regard because when you hear republicans talking about big ten politics, something tells me i should really be afraid, but i'm not. i am actually more encouraged than ever that democrats are unified, can unify around a message going into these midterms because he's right. you've got senate republicans. house republicans differing. and you have the grass roots of the party looking at both i would imagine saying none of these folks really represent what's really happening on the ground. the truth is that you would hear that on a democratic side as

well, but you're thinking, when you're talking about this on the republican side when they don't have any real legislative agenda, when they are still trying to figure out how to defend or not to defend donald trump, democrats, all we have to do is keep tagging them to trump to their iinability to admit wht happened on january 6th. that's for all the areas we won and are looking to retain. particularly in these suburban areas. >> sam, you know on my weekend show, we like to bestow a hypocrisy award to politicians. nikki hailey has picked up a few in our standings. what do you make of her comments that pence did what he thought was right. why can't she just say he was being asked to do something he didn't have the power to do and say look, i don't like republicans going after republicans, but she will not call out the president, who has

gone after republicans from i guess the first day that he ever entered the political scene? >> i think it's back to tim's point. as hideous as his t-shirt is, he makes a salient point here. if you are close to the grass roots of the party, you are less likely to go against donald trump and nikki hailey, as everyone knows, has some presidential ambitions. she doesn't want to be on the wrong side of this equation and mitch mcconnell, mitt romney, they don't. they have to answer to the constituencies every six years. if you're a democrat, you're looking at this, you say one sort of saving grace heading into the midterms is if there can be some sort of internal republican implosion around the issue of january 6 or election certification and legit mization, that's why mcconnell, as much he wants to get on with it, he knows that. he's been up front that he wants

the entirety of the midterms to be waged on the biden agenda. make it a referendum. bring the conversation around to inflation. those are the things he wants. every day he spends having to talk about this stuff is a day moving in the wrong direction. the problem mcconnell has is that there's one person who continuously wants to talk about this stuff and it's donald trump. he won't let it go. even today, lengthy statements ai saying it was all lies. so mcconnell's problem is trump. it's trump. he needs to get past this conversation, but trump won't allow it. >> adam kinzinger today tweeted out i remember when kevin mccarthy threw liz cheney under the bus. doesn't that get to sam's point? isn't it trump that keeps bringing the conversation in the republican party back to january 6th? everybody wants to move on. mike pence says democrats keep

talking about you know, what happened that one day in january. but it really is trump who keeps the conversation on the elections in january 6th for republicans, at least. >> entirely. there's no, i can tell you from walking these halls every day, there's no lawmaker that wants to talk about january 6th really in any capacity as much as it appears donald trump does. and republicans, particularly republican house member, got into the front car of that roller coaster a long time ago and cannot get out until the ride is over. kinzinger's tweet is especially noteworthy because he has gone into full i think you could call it yolo mode when it comes to kevin mccarthy who he has singled out as a leader who is totally unwilling to stand up to anything trump does. for the record, on tim's shirt, if my team could get out of the first round of the playoffs, i promise you i'd be wearing the ugliest t-shirt i could find on

the show. >> not holding my breath. peter's asked trump about what pence did on that day. take a listen to this. >> like mike, i think he made a mistake. i think he also made much less importantly a mistake for himself. >> did it bother you to hear them say they wanted to kill mike pence? >> yes, it did bother me. i didn't like it. i think it was an expression. i don't think they would ever thought of doing it. >> he didn't think that they would try to hurt mike pence. the rioters literally showed up with zip ties, stun guns, batons. all sorts of weapons. they tased an officer. >> it's absurd.

this was not. this was an insurrection. resulted in the deaths of numerous people and the injuries to numerous capitol police officers. i will say this about trump. pence in all likelihood did do himself some political damage. obviously our country would be in horrific shape if he had gone through what trump wanted him so, but as a strict, narrow political matter, pence is buried because of this. he will not have a future career in national and public politics in all likelihood because of what he did. that was a choice he made. arguably the right choice. he was preserving the democratic process, but you know, trump's not totally wrong if you're looking at it as a squarely political matter. >> i want to play a clip from the video showing a riot

defendant marching towards the capitol. >> i'm hearing pence just caved. is that true? i'm telling you. if pence caved, we're going to drag [ bleep ] through the streets. >> all right. so the threats against mike pence were not simply an expression as trump put it. you can hear from that guy. >> look, and again, there was real fear that day among republicans. this is i think the thing that has been one of the most shameful thing. one example, nancy mace as a congresswoman, she was literally running in fear. going back to her office that day and then a few weeks later, she was making fun of aoc for saying she was scared. republicans have had to change their tune to pretend as if this wasn't something serious. there was a new video that showed officer fanone getting

tased and yet on fox, they're calling him a crisis actor. many republican elected officials have been attacking him saying he had crocodile tears. i think this has been one of the most despicable parts of this. it shows the seriousness of the threat and actions. >> basil, what's so remarkable in this is that republicans don't have to foresight to see that the vice president has to power to overturn the election has serious implications for what could happen by their own ill logic because the current vice president would have the ability if republicans win to say, not going to do it. what happens if trump's thinking of mike pence is going to overturn the election, becomes an accepted fact by the republican party? >> just very quickly, in defense of tim's shirt, i'm a new yorker who's a lifelong cowboy fan.

but listen, if the becomes law, if this becomes -- for the republicans, it is a very dangerous and indefensible position that's being taken there and i fear for the ultimate outcome. it is very concerning. and listen, just as a personal note, i was one of the 1 million black men that marched in washington in 1995 and if any of us did what happened on january 5th, most of us would not be around to tell that story today. so what you're seeing with respect to the republican party even trying to rationalize what happened on january 6th and for those who will will accept what happened as just being some simple political speech is not taking into consideration or not taking the gravity of what was being said about mike pence into

consideration and saying we can't have any of this. if all of that is left to stand, whether you're a democrat, certainly if you are a democrat, you have all the tools you need to be able to say that these folks have no business in the governance of our country. i really hope that a lot of this does not become republican cannon, but the truth is there isn't much evidence to suggest it won't today. >> all right. basil, sam, garrett, and tim miller and his shirt. thank you very much for starting us off this afternoon. when we come back, diplomatic efforts continuing today to deescalate tension on the russia ukraine border. the kremlin pushing back against what france called meaningful progress in those talks. the latest on what is happening overseas. plus, new terror warning from the biden administration, sounding the alarm about continued disinformation and spreading of conspiracy theories and how those far right protests

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that front. a spokesperson for the kremlin rejects reports that the french and russian presidents had reached any agreement to deescalate the situation despite the marathon five-hour, one-on-one meeting between the two world leaders last night. a meeting which french officials tried to spin as a positive win. the kremlin spokesperson seemed suggest the united states would have to negotiate with russia. from his statement, in part, it reads in the current situation, moscow and paris could not make a deal. france is an eu and nato member, he said, adding france is not leading nato. meanwhile back here in washington, senators are racing against the clock to come to terms on bipartisan sanctions against russia, hoping to pass something as early as this week. before any sort of movement from russia happens, perhaps to try and deter them. joining us now is senator chris coons of delaware.

great to see you again. thanks so much for joining us. what's the latest on the timeline for the sanctions package that might come out of the senate? >> well, we had a very important and positive meeting. last night, chairman mendez of the foreign relations committee, ranking member as well as schumer and mcconnell, a large group of us, met with the german chancellor following his meeting with president biden. i think the timeline for us to come to final agreement on a sanctions package against russia to further deter russia has gotten closer and shorter. i'm hopeful it will be introduced before we leave the end of this week. i am optimistic that we know have clarity. i think the meeting between president biden and shults yesterday went very well and produced a clear and more close alignment between the united states and germany. in many ways, the most significant nation in nato ond

the eu given its closeness to russia, the size of its economy and given the number of troops and other military resources that are based in germany. >> can i ask you about specific sanctions you want to see passed? because "the new york times" quoting "the new york times" to sum up president biden's speech yesterday, said in part mr. biden, who has refrained from criticizing the german chancellor, did not detail what those would be. in recent weeks, biden has threatened russia's financial sector, members of putin's inner circle and perhaps some have said should target putin himself. what kind of sanctions do you think would be appropriate and who should they target specifically? >> well, first, i think it's important that president biden made it perfectly clear. if there is further aggression by russia into ukraine, the

pipeline which has been constructed over many years and is a prize of real significance to putin, that pipeline will be stopped. second, i think it's clear that we have agreement around sanctions that would deny access to technological products. russia doesn't manufacture advanced semiconductor chips, for example. and we would find ways to block their access towards the kinds of supplies and components and materials essential for a 21st century economy. i think personally targeted sanctions that focus on putin's inner circle, the oligarchs and cleptocrats who sustain him in office and about the ways in which the choices he's making are depriving the average russian for a good life. all of that should have a deterrent effect on putin. >> there's a lot of announcements that putin is in

the stronger position diplomatically certainly with the way this has played out. in recent weeks, putin suggested macron was the one he wanted to talk to, yet what we saw in the past 24 hours is very different. what do you make of russia changing gears and using macron seemingly the suggest that the u.s. is the only one who could really make this deal and that france is not the leader of europe or nato? >> putin is a master of disinformation. he has amassed along the borders of ukraine nearly 130,000 troops. the majority of his ground combat capability as country. he's moved troops from the border of china in eastern siberia to the border with ukraine and is putting forward france first as a potential negotiating partner then thrusting them aside at the next

moment. i think it's important president biden has taken back the initiative by sending $200 million in lethal aid to ukraine over recent weeks. by getting our closest allies to send material and financial support into ukraine. germany's provided $2 billion of support to the ukrainian economy. the czechs, our baltic allies. the french have sent french and material to the eastern flank of nato and into ukraine. all of that is because president biden has masterfully pulled together the nato alliance and our eu partners in a common voice. back to the question about what sanctions i most want to see. i want to see united sanctions so that the 27 member states of the eu within a matter of days or even hopefully hours after any additional aggression by russia can say these are the sanctions we all support. after the invasion of crimea,

the occupation and annexation in 2014, it took months for our allied partners in europe and the united states to come to some common consensus about what sanctions to impose. we should do this proactively. that's why the senate needs to act now to follow president biden's strong leadership. >> all right. live from capitol hill, senator chris coons. thank you. the parents of a 15-year-old accused michigan school shooter in court today. more details revealed about their actions on the day of their son's deadly rampage. the latest coming up next. rampe rampe the latest coming up next. trelegy for copd. [coughing] ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪

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it just didn't really seem like something that a kid would do on a test in school. >> when jennifer texted you and said, i wish we had warnings, something, he's a good kid, they made a terrible decision, how did you, what did you think after getting that text? >> i was thinking there had to have been some type of signs. >> this is the first time that parent of a school shooter have faced charges over their children's actions. joyce vance writing today in "the new york times" saying more parents should held accountable. quote, prosecutors won't be able to charge all of those who procure the guns children use in shootings, but they should be aggressive when the facts point to gross negligence. joining us now, joyce analyst, former u.s. attorney and now law professor at the university of alabama. great to see you as always.

your reaction to today's hearing. how likely is it they move forward with a trial? >> it's very likely that this case proceeds to trial. these are difficult cases, but the facts in this particular case are spectacularly bad for these defendants. they're charged with involuntary manslaughter and that means they didn't have an intent to kill, but that their carelessness or recklessness caused the deaths. the government has plenty of evidence in that regard to proceed to trial. >> in part you write, this prosecution and even new laws are no guarantee that school children won't continue to send frantic text messages to parents to say, i love you, there's an active shooter here. but in an era of permissive gun ownership, the prosecution of parents may provide one of the few available paths to keeping our children safe. talk to us about that for a

moment. about how prosecuting parents can ultimately lead to a reduction in school shootings? >> so let me be clear that i'm not calling for parents to be prosecuted without regard to what role they play in these situations. because i have enormous empathy. i'm a mom of four myself. children aren't always predictable and mental illness is very difficult to live with and in some cases, to diagnose. so it's not the typical parents who are struggling with a child that has problems. but what happened in this case with the crumbleys, they procured the gun for their child and failed to secure it. then add on to the fact that they are aware of the fact they were actually called to the school for a conference, told to get counseling for their child, shown these violent pictures and they knew the child had access to a gun and they insisted he remain in school.

so it's all these facts brought together that make this case a good one, a good candidate for prosecution, and parents need to be on notice that they have to be very careful about guns. that if they, for instance, give access to a gun to a child who does have issues, that they, too, can be held accountable. we live in a very permissive legal environment for guns. the supreme court has held you have a right to have a firearm in your own home. it's likely that after this term in the court, there will be new rules that expand rights to gun ownership. we have to have some way of having responsibility requirements. >> and the organization, one of the more anti-school violence organizations did a study and found that in 74% of shootings where the source of the gun was able to have identified, the gun came from a parent, relative, or friend. why do you think it has taken so long to hold the sources of the

firearms accountable? >> so this case presents with facts that are really, if you were a prosecutor and were looking at a case where you almost couldn't pass up on prosecution, this would be that case. it still would be a difficult trial. the jury will have to decide that the parents are the actual cause of the deaths in these cases and that decision will be up to the jury, but what the parents did in this case and in so many others, defies common sense. i'm a former law enforcement person. we know that firearms need to be locked up carefully in homes and especially in homes where children are present. there are other steps that parents can take for safety. keeping their ammunition locked up separately from their firearms. what we're going to have to do in our culture is encourage responsible gun ownership because gun ownership is an ongoing feature of the landscape. >> anything that can save a student's life is worth

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nbc news has learned that january 6 committee investigators are zeroing in events attended by domestic violent extremist groups throughout 2020. half a dozen sources say investigators are trying to determine if the groups coordinated with other militia movements, rally organizers, and government officials in the weeks before that. and whether events like covid lockdown rallies, counter protests to racial justice demonstrations, protests at capital builds were proving grounds, opportunities, to network or encourage each other to cross red lines into future violence. investigators are also working to find out how so many different groups arrived at the same goal of storming the capitol with a white nationalist conspiracy theory serving as at least one unifying factor among them. it comes just as federal law enforcement agencies warn about

the spread of what kind of misinformation and violent ideology is now online, what they call the primary threat that has and will continue to contribute to a heightened threat in the united states. let's bring in nick, a political reporter for the "new york times" as well as an nbc political analyst. ben collins on that new reporting joins us in just a second as well. nick, "the new york times" reports an example of the dhs warning about extremist talking points from counterparts in other countries. photos for example of the canadian truckers appeared on anti-vaccine groups on facebook and other social networks about two weeks ago. since then, prominent far right figures here, the australia, germany, have praised the protests, spreading the images and arguments into more wider searches. on telegram, several right wing

figures, michael flynn, ben shapiro. american vaccine groups have begun forming local wings of the movement and have urged truckers here in the united states to adapt the tactics. it gives you a sense of the big picture. that's what i want to know from you. what is the big picture of january 6 investigations and this sewing violence and undermining public trust in institutions? >> so the big picture is that the populist movement is global. and the power of social media is to unite and connect these disparate actors, small and large movements in countries around the world and create a common narrative. we've seen in canada that people on the right here in the u.s. are seizing on the image of the

trucker as a symbol against the covid restrictions and lockdowns here in the u.s. and that's what we see. we see the power of social media to take something small and make it seem bigger then to attract more following here in the real world. >> ben, so what info do these investigators have on the links between networking events, planning in the january 6th attack? how broad are the events they're actually looking at? because if you draw the line, it's almost a year prior to the january 6th insurrection that we started to see, you know, similar organizations, similar ideologies popping up at different events. >> yeah. this is some new reporting that i have for you. i talked to about a half dozen investigators for the january 6th committee and they say they're looking back through the year beforehand about, there were meet ups and meetings, events that we all saw.

the capitol step protest in michigan. counterprotests of racial demonstrations in united states as well. they were looking to see if you know, if some of these groups like the proud boys or oath keepers, to see if they met up in those spaces at that time, maybe coordinated and that's how they kind of came to the same conclusions that on january 6th, they should storm the capitol. mostly also they're just looking at the broader ideology that brings these groups together. qanon conspiracy theorists and proud boys don't believe in the same stuff. a lot of them don't like each other. a lot of them think they're silly independently. but they know on january 6th, they worked together in tandem and they're trying to figure out what that link is. >> i was going to dig in on that. what is the broader ideology if you will, that connects these

groups? because as i understand it, the january 6th investigators think it might be too narrowly defined a topic so that would raise the question, is there a broader definition they're looking into? >> yeah, they're looking into the idea after these specific militias and calling it a day, that might not do it. you know, just taking down the leadership of the oath keepers isn't going to stop a broader swath movement of anti-elitism or anti-authority in general. and that's what you're seeing right now with both the trucker convoy, anti-vaks protests, not just here but in europe as well. there's this idea that there's this global cabal that has control over everyone's lives and that all these groups have to come together in this sort of populist rage to take it over and overthrow it. that's how this stuff has evolved since january 6th and that's what these investigators are looking at.

that was a blip in this whole wider anti-authority movement. >> so, how has the unifying factor of the great replacement conspiracy theory, which we know is a favorite of right-wing groups and some like tucker carlson, become a source of identification for many groups that you report about and whether or not it shows the power of conspiracy theories? >> yeah, that's one of the unifying factors that the january 6th investigators are looking into. whether or not the great replacement theory, which is basically the idea that whites are being replaced by immigrants in the united states, nonwhite immigrants in the united states to make them a minority over time, and they believe this is part of a larger plot -- some of them believe it's part of a larger jewish plot. it's very anti-semitic and extremely racist, but a lot of the people who stormed the capitol that day were in that bucket of people who believed in

that sort of thing. and that is one of the broader ideologies they're looking at to see if that better connects some of these groups than just specific militias or specific conspiracy movements that they overtly a scribe themselves to. >> ben collins, ben, thank you so much for rushing in and joining us with your brand-new reporting on that. nick confessore, thank you as well for your analysis. the second yeah, doug emhof, removed from an event because of a bomb threat. eah, doug emhof, removed from an event because of removed from an event because of a bomb threat.he energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change. faster. vmware. welcome change. it's time for the ultimate sleep number event on the sleep number 360 smart bed.

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nobody cares about 2020. nobody. and everything that he said and the challenges that he made should have been done before the election, and they did a recount in arizona, and the recount showed no difference almost, and he came out and said it showed that they won arizona. that's an outright lie. and please stop wasting our time with that, because he's capable of doing so much more. >> hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in new york. i'm ayman mohyeldin in for nicole wallace this hour, words not often heard from republicans about the former president. believe it or not, that was fox news host brian kilmeade calling out donald trump's lies about the 2020 election that republicans have willingly let hijack their party. now, over a year after the former president's loss, there are some in the gop who want to

put the election in the rear view mirror, but it is hard to do that as the party's de facto leader refuses to accept his defeat and the party continues its anti-democratic crusade based on his big lie. as peter wenner, former speech writer for president george w. bush, we tried to move on but trump and maga world has something different in mind, undermining trust in elections, storming the capitol, propagating malicious and destructive lies. that undermining of faith in elections was done by republicans in order to seize control of them. republicans have proposed and enacted laws across this country that limit access to the ballot box, put partisans in positions that oversee the administering of elections, and are in the process of drawing up new congressional districts in their favor. last year, we saw 19 states pass 34 laws restricting voting

access in this country. a number that will likely grow this year. and just yesterday, the gop was handed a win by the highest court in the fight over redistricting as described in the "washington post" as this. a divided supreme court on monday restored an alabama congressional map that creates only one district favorable to a black candidate and put on hold a lower court's order that said a second district was necessary to comply with the voting rights act. chief justice john roberts siding with the liberals in dissent, saying the lower court's order should not have been put on hold. "the post" adds the court's ruling was a blow to voting rights advocates and democrats after a series of redistricting wins over the past several weeks. it means that the 2022 congressional elections in alabama will take place under a map drawn by the state's republican leaders. the gop's assault on our elections and democracy is where we start this hour.

a.b. stoddard is here, an associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. also with us, msnbc legal analyst and former assistant u.s. attorney maya wiley, nbc news correspondent chad brewster joins us from milwaukee and former u.s. attorney joyce vance is back with us once again. joyce, i'll start with you. i'm putting up a graphic here for you and our viewers to see, a map that the supreme court allowed to stand, speaking to -- speak to us a little bit, if you will, about the impact of this ruling on alabama voters, a state you know very well, and how this decision by the supreme court could affect redistricting efforts elsewhere. >> so, let me make it clear that i'm not an expert on redrawing maps based on new census data, but i don't think that you have to be an expert to look at that map and see how oddly it's drawn. the two arms that reach off the body of the one remaining district that gives black voters a chance to elect a representative of their choice,

those two arms that fall off of it, they grab birmingham in one claw and montgomery in the other claw, and those are the two majority black cities in alabama, so you can see how easy it would be to have districts that better represented the population. about 25% of the state is black, but this district crams most of those black voters into one district instead of dividing them up into two, which is what the three-judge panel concluded needed to be done. worth noting, i really hate this characterization of judges as democrats or republicans. i don't think it fits. but two of the judges on this panel were appointed by then president trump, so this isn't some sort of a democratic cabal or a democratic plot. this is just a recognition that for too long, alabama has minimized, has suppressed the rights of black voters, and it was time to change that. unfortunately, the supreme court's decision will impact more than just alabama.

it will have some predictive ability outside of the state, because there is an effort by justice kavanagh to apply something called the purcell standard. this is four months out from alabama's primaries and the litigants went to court literally the day after these maps were approved, so it's hard to see how they could be any quicker, how they could give any more space between an election and now there are increasing concerns there will be something called a one election rule where state legislatures can put in any kind of crazy map they want to, and the court won't permit a challenge because it will be too close to the election so long as the legislature times its decision properly. >> yeah, very comprehensive analysis there, joyce, i greatly appreciate it. maya, to joyce's point about the population, the black population of alabama, the 2020 census showed that population rising by about 4%. the white population dropping by about 2%. which means that blacks, as

joyce was saying, account for over a quarter of the state's total population. but having a voting majority in only one of its seven congressional districts. i'm no math expert but i can tell you that does not accurately reflect a quarter of the population, 1 out of 7. that disparity was addressed in justice kagan's dissent. she wrote separately for herself and i want to read a part of it for our audience. it says, it does a disservice to black alabamans, who, under the precedent have had their electoral power diminished in violation of a law this court once knew to buttress all of american democracy. >> look -- it is black history month. we are talking about alabama. the same state where the march

from selma to montgomery, including representative john lewis, who everyone lionized in congress, came from. and at this juncture, what we're seeing with this opinion is nothing short of yet another stab in the heart of voting rights. and it does come from, frankly, a supreme court decision back in 2013 in south carolina that said, you know, even though we had all these places, all these counties in the country where, you know, frankly, we've just had a long history of people making decisions that make it harder for black people to vote, or for latinos to vote, that we need to make sure, before they do something to undermine the vote, that we stop bad things before they happen. and i say that because that was really such a devastating gut of the voting rights act in and of itself, and some of the very powers we hope to restore with

the john lewis voting rights act, this is another nail in the coffin of the voting rights act. as joyce so aptly said, frankly, it is not only going to apply to alabama. and it is something, and let's just point to where we've been over the past decade, you know, over the past decade, from the last census, we saw gerrymandering and it's partisan gerrymandering that resulted in different outcomes in elections in 59 different districts, but 39 of them then went to republicans that would have gone another way if it weren't for the gerrymandering, and it's the same kind of constant drum beat, constant hammer, constant nail into the same coffin, over and over again, that simply is saying, as the demographics shift, instead of figuring out ways as a party that we are

going to try to attract black votes or attract native american votes or attract latino votes or muslim votes, or any other votes that actually represent the vast diversity of this country, that instead, we will make it harder. we will make it harder both from shutting polling sites to making mail-in ballot harder, to passing laws that make it criminal to help people vote. but we will also do it with gerrymandering districts to protect, too often, not exclusively, but too often, republican voters. or republican candidates. and that is not democracy, and it's certainly not going to help anybody get representation that's fair or draws together as a country if we don't start to do something about it. >> a.b., maya brings up an important point about the trends over the years of what we're seeing and when you look at redistricting across this country, there are some troubling trends.

"the new york times" reports the number of competitive congressional districts is on track to dive near impossibly below the lowest level it has been in at least three decades as republicans and democrats both draw new political maps designed to ensure that the vast majority of house races are over before the general election even starts, with two-thirds of the new boundaries set, map makers are on pace to draw fewer than 40 seats out of 435 that are considered competitive based on the 2020 presidential election results, so according to "the new york times" analysis of the election data, ten years ago, that number was 73. how is this, a.b., going to play out in the next election and therefore in how our government actually runs and looks like? >> it's really the most central

issue in the crisis of our gridlocked government, the loss of competitive seats. in the 1990s, it was, you know, more than a quarter of the house. now we're down to so few that most americans, when they get in the car on election day, to vote for their member of congress, cannot swing an election, and they are shut out of the process. as a result, when you have members from very red and very blue districts come to congress with an incentive to vote always yes or always no. they're not persuadable and they will not work on two-party solutions and they will not solve problems so this is ultimately -- though the republicans have an advantage in redistricting and have in the last two cycles, not so much as they thought they would this year. the democrats are making out a little better than they thought they were going to. but both parties gerrymander districts to make it safer and to make the districts less

representative and ultimately our governance is the casualty in that process. the democrats have very, very steep structural disadvantages. maya was explaining elegantly what has happened to the disenfranchisement of black voters and that's being fought out in the court, and it has a real impact. but there are things that the democrats can do besides their efforts in the courts on redistricting about this coming disadvantage. there are experts who believe that in 2040, by 2040, 84 of the senate seats will be represented by rural america, and the rest of the country will be represented by 16. we know in the electoral college, the republicans hold an advantage in the presidential contest. democrats must address this on

the ground with registration of voters in battleground states that matter, that swing the elections, there's only about five of them, and they have to confront the losses that they have taken in the census fight at the state legislature level, both in 2010 and again in 2020, that positioned them so badly and positioned the republicans so well, both the senate and the presidency. >> shaq, you are out in milwaukee on the ground there right now at a drop box location for people to drop off their ballots ahead of the upcoming election there. those dropoff ballot boxes have become such a source of contention for republicans. talk to us about what is going on and why this may be the final time voters there are able to use those drop boxes. >> reporter: yeah, and let's contextualize this conversation because you guys were just discussing what happens once voters cast their ballot. well, this helps determine how voters cast their ballot, and whether or not they can use the popular drop boxes that we've seen pop up not just here in

wisconsin but really all across the country. you saw more than 40 states in 2020 use and adopt these drop boxes, and here in wisconsin, despite the election administration approving them and authorizing the use of drop boxes, despite leaders on both sides of the aisle, democrats and republicans, encouraging the use of drop boxes, they have now become a source of contention with conservative challengers saying the law doesn't allow for these drop boxes. i want you to listen to my conversation with the election commissioner here in milwaukee about the impact that the questions about the drop boxes will have and then follow that up by listening to what you hear from the challengers of drop boxes over why they're challenging this process. >> if you're going to have them, and that's a legislative determination that needs to be made, that there are certain -- there's certain things that you should do to assure that they're safe and secure. and right now, we don't have

that. >> more than half the people who vote by mail trust these secure drop boxes. their preferred way to return their ballots. >> reporter: so it would be a big deal if you can't use these. >> it is. it is. it's a big investment and it's a big deal to our voters who like the convenience and the reliability. >> reporter: the key thing here, ayman, is that in wisconsin, those mail-in ballots need to be received by election clerks before 8:00 p.m. election night, so that's why people trust boxes like this, because they don't have to go through the mail. they know that that ballot will be counted and as things currently stand right now, the election a week from today, february 15th, will be the last time that voters here in wisconsin will have that as an option. >> it's absolutely incredible when you think about it and just how confusing it must be. to joyce's point of having all of these changes happen so close to an actual election in that state, and here's the thing, shaq, that false claims of fraud when it comes to drop boxes is

actually not limited to wisconsin. speak to us about the national battle over drop boxes and what you're hearing from voters who took advantage of this voting process during 2020. >> reporter: yeah, i think the best example of that is what you saw here in wisconsin, before we go out to the rest of the country, where back when there was questions about whether or not drop boxes were authorized under the law. you have republicans in this state start to draft legislation -- they were passing it around that would authorize drop boxes in the state and make it clear, in the law, and then what happened? former president trump released a statement. he called those republicans in name only, said they were trying to assist democrats and help them cheat in the next election, and that entire effort went away and that's why what the supreme court does matters a lot. and that -- the questions and the uncertainty and the claims of fraud that you're hearing, that is not something that you just see in wisconsin, but

you're seeing in states all across the country, and that goes to why there's pushback on these drop boxes that, again, have become so popular in the middle of the pandemic. >> maya, these efforts to reshape our elections and suppress the vote, they are growing in 2022, like we just saw there on the ground in shaq's reporting in wisconsin. and democrats have struck out when it comes to federal voting rights legislation, as we know, that has stalled in the senate because democrats don't want to reform the filibuster. what is the democrats' next best hope to maintain the integrity of our elections if they can't get something done on a federal level? >> well, you know, what republicans did is go state-by-state, legislation in hand, and go to state houses, which are actually where election administration happens. it comes from state laws, and state houses. and also the county level. so i think it's time, frankly, not to give up on congress. that would be a mistake in and

of itself. remember that republicans, for a long time in this country, had stood up for voting rights, and there is still an opportunity to fight for that. but at the same time, really recognize exactly how elections work. it matters if you have good people at the polls. it matters that we have people who are paying attention to democracy in how they're administering elections, and it also matters that state laws are being looked at, new legislation at state level, being passed to make sure that things like mail-in balloting happens. i mean, let's just pick up one point i want to make about mail-in ballots and what shaq was saying about milwaukee. for the first time in this country, in 2020, because of mail-in balloting, we saw an incredible increase in people with disabilities having a better and easier time voting. that's a huge percentage of the

population, but also, people benefit who aren't disabled, like people who are elderly, from those drop boxes, so when we're talking about making it easier to vote, we are talking about everyone, and it is incumbent upon states and counties to do that and the democratic party should also be looking there. >> all right, maya wilye, shaq brewster, a.b. stoddard and joyce vance, thanks for starting us off this hour. when we return, the arrest today by the fbi of a january 66th rioter who stormed the capitol while out on bail for attempted murder underscores the absurdity of the republican party's claim that the capitol insurrection was legitimate political discourse. the reporter who broke the news of today's arrest joins us next. plus, russia's military building -- it's building up and is ramping up so fast that it could actually be ready to carry out a full-scale invasion of ukraine in two to three weeks with time ticking away. the effort to find a diplomatic solution to this standoff is

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all right, we have some new reporting to tell you about having to do with an arrest made today by the fbi in connection with the january 6th attack on the capitol. documents reveal -- court documents reveal matthew beddingfield of north carolina now facing felony charges for

assaulting officers, impeding officers during a civil disorder, carrying a deadly or dangerous weapon on restricted capitol grounds, plus he faces several misdemeanors as well. from our nbc news colleague, ryan riley, when he stormed the capitol, beddingfield was on bail for first-degree attempted murder in connection with the shooting of a 17-year-old in a walmart parking lot. when deadingfield at the time was 19. he was initially held on a $1 million bail but secured pretrial release when bail was lowered to $100,000. after he stormed the capitol on january 6th, beddingfield pleaded guilty to a lesser charge in connection with the shooting. he was on probation in the shooting case when he was arrested tuesday. but there's more to this story than that, believe it or not. how the bureau came to know about beddingfield prior to his arrest is the subject of extensive reporting and an impressive effort on the part of online sleuths gathering and

cross-referencing publicly available information. joining us now to break it all down, nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly and clint watts, former consultant to the fbi counterterrorism division and distinguished research fellow. of course to our viewers, he's an msnbc national security analyst. great to have you both with us. ryan, i'll start with you. today was certainly not the first time you heard the name, matthew beddingfield. you were on this story mere weeks after the attack on the capitol in your time with the huff post at the time. you're actually named in court documents, and so talk to us about. first of all, give us a clearer picture of who this guy is, beddingfield, and tell us how this story developed over the past year. >> yeah, so, almost a year ago now in march 2021, i was working on a story with a former colleague of mine, and we were looking at how facial recognition had been used by online sleuths at the very beginning stages of this effort to investigate the january 6th

attack. and they identified a number of different defendants, future defendants, and people who still haven't been charged even as of now, who stormed the capitol that day and committed violent acts against police officers through facial recognition technology and using confirming information through other means, through social media, finds, in this case, it was his father's facebook photos that actually gave him away and offered that confirming factor. but we -- this was a case that really stood out to us, because even amongst all of these various charges, you know, this is an individual who is out on -- he was out -- he has been charged with attempted first-degree murder and was out on bail at the time he stormed the capitol. and it just was stark, the idea that someone would not only storm the u.s. capitol but do it while they were out on bail on attempted murder charges was just incredible. >> yeah, and actually, i mean, to someone like me on the outside of this, it's like putting, you know, the pieces together in a case as complicated as this is, like literally trying to find a

needle in a haystack so just to underscore how impressive this sleuthing is and this sleuthing operation, this open source sleuthing operation, can you explain to us why this photo is so important? what exactly does it show? >> yeah, so, this photo is just a -- it's a youtube video it very quickly passes by and scans this crowd. this is during trump's speech or during the event around the ellipse at the white house, and very briefly, what it pans across is it shows matthew beddingfield and his father, jason beddingfield, together in the crowd. the reason that we couldn't really confirm fully 100% that this was definitely matthew beddingfield is because we didn't see his father and him together. we knew that jason beddingfield had posted these images on facebook and said that, we're storming the capitol, he referred to, you know, communists and saying they were going to take over. but we needed to find them together in order to 1,000% confirm that identification. and that actually came later on

when that camera just pans by. this is one of the other videos that they found, and because you can see him with those shoes, those same shoes he was wearing when he went to the event in november 2020, the trump rally in d.c., the same shoes that he was wearing when the stormed the capitol, and you can connect that to his father. that's how he got confirmation of his identification. and this was, you know, last year, almost a year ago now, so a lot of these cases that the fbi is pursuing are taking a very long time, and it comes at a point where the fbi and the court docket is pretty stuffed already with a lot of these january 6th cases, even though there's hundreds more cases in the pipeline. >> yeah, it's incredibly impressive. clint, how impressive is this sort of work to you? because i want to read a little bit from ryan's piece for you. online sleuths have successfully identified hundreds of people who stormed the capitol, including dozens of individuals on the fbi's capitol violence web page who have not yet been arrested. you're so well informed on this, clint, so that's why i wanted to get your thoughts on crowd sourcing and how crowd sourcing

data works. it's pretty impressive. >> yeah. i mean, this has been remarkable to watch. citizens who are really upset about what happened on that day just volunteer their time, on scale, and en masse, to really tackle this. and what's also been remarkable is think about the fbi alone. they could not have done this. there's just too much footage. there were too many individuals there that day committing crimes. for them to actually put all those pieces together. so, it really shows the power of crowds when great parameters are put around it, when law enforcement can take those from the more technically savvy that are in the audience and those online sleuths that really want to help out. so, i find it quite remarkable as well because it also shows just how dumb this was, that they all filmed themselves committing a crime. i mean, that's the other thing that's highly unusual about january 6th. as an fbi agent, you would never get that volume of evidence delivered to you by the perpetrators, it's pretty remarkable that that happened.

but at the same time, i've just been so impressed by all the citizens and even people internationally that wanted to help out with this. it really shows how upset the country was about what happened, and how even, you know, families, friends, they've turned in family members and friends because they are up set about what happened on that day, and so i hope that this is a positive trend that we can see instead of some of the more negative trolling trends that we had seen up until this day. >> think of all the metadata that agents have to comb through from the thousands of people that were there that day. ryan, something we noticed in the write-up from your former league at huff post today in part, reads, beddingfield traveled to the capitol with his father, as you pointed out, his father jason. in long conversations with the huff post for this stoirks the elder beddingfield acknowledged that he himself had traveled to the capitol on january 6th in support of then president trump's efforts to overturn the results of the election but was adamant that his son wasn't

there. he was not there. he was no with me. he did not do the things that have been speculated about, he said at the time, i mean, there's a lot of dopplegangers in the world, isn't it? all technology is not foolproof, is it? so, ryan, as you were just saying, from what you know about the information that you and others have gathered, could they legitimately make that case, do you think? >> no. not because of the confirming information. facial recognition has its flaws, especially against nonwhite people. that's a really fundamental issue with it. it actually is not so much of a problem in the capitol cases because the crowd was overwhelmingly white, but that's an issue that, you know, is seriously going to be -- need to be addressed from a civil liberties perspective going forward but what's important here and what citizen sleuths were responsible about is they found that other confirming information, and that's what you need to make sure that law enforcement is going to be able to do if facial recognition is the wave of the future. you need that other confirming

information. you can't just trust it 100% on facial recognition and it really is interesting with the efforts that citizen sleuths have gone through here because obviously the bad version of pursuing this sort of online manhunt is what happened during the boston marathon bombing when there were people who were falsely accused and falsely identified. but pretty quickly, from the very beginning of this, there's sort of been this set of rules around how they've handled these cases and they haven't posted names on social media as quickly, they've been responsible about how they've identified these individuals going forward to make sure there are no false identifications and people don't have their names dragged through the mud if they haven't actually done something. >> ryan reilly, impressive reporting, thank you as always. clint, please stick around for us. we got a lot more to talk to you about russia. when we return, as russia ramps up its military ahead of a possible invasion of ukraine, western allies continue to look for a diplomatic way out. the latest developments on the ukraine standoff after a quick break. test developments on the ukraine standoff after a quick ukraine standoff after a quick break.

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the stakes for russian president vladimir putin as the u.s. and its nato allies work to de-escalate russian aggression towards ukraine. at a joins press conference with secretary of state tony blinen, the eu's foreign policy chief called the standoff the most dangerous moment for the security in europe since the end of the cold war. joining our conversation, founding partner and washington correspondent for puck news. clint watts is back with us. julia, let me start with you. talk to us about how russian messaging around this situation in ukraine has changed, because russian media is now largely explaining away the panic in ukraine, true build-up civilians training to take up arms and defend their homes as america's attempt to pull russia into a war it never wanted, but that the u.s. desperately craves. it reminds me of the old russian joke about a naughty child who gets caught red handed and says, i never touched the vase and i put it back after i touched it

and it was already broken when i got here. >> you had to quote that. so, i think, you know, the messaging is changing before in december and early january, you had vladimir putin and the russian foreign minister, sergei lavrov, and his deputy, coming out and threatening nightmare scenarios of military confrontation about a military technical solution. russian television was talking about putin's red lines and the horror that would befall the west if they were not heard and respected. and now, you're seeing a bit of, like, oh, why is everyone so upset about -- why is everybody talking about us invading ukraine? >> right. >> in fact, look at all the

forces ukraine is moving -- the ukrainian government is moving into the region in the west and look at all these civilians and baboushki training with wooden gun kind of mock-ups as if that's just happening out of the blue, and unfortunately, now, you're starting to see it reflected in the american information sphere, that disinformation is getting picked up by the democratic socialists of america, the people like ben & jerry's, unfortunately, saying it's the u.s. that's escalating the situation and trying to pull russia into war, as if their vision stops at, you know, the northern ukrainian border, as if the russian troops aren't there and aren't on the territory of belarus. it's amazing to see that messaging go from, you know, kremlin-controlled tv over here. we've seen that ecosystem work before. it just usually happens on the right. >> yeah, it's incredible how it seeps in, and everyone forgets that russia's actually done this

before with crimea and elsewhere. clint, how seriously should we take putin on his meeting with macron? i mean, when you think about how, in the beginning, and this is the way it was portrayed, that he wanted to meet with macron, macron felt that there was a diplomatic way out of this, but it seems once he has met with him, according to a senior advisor to putin, he pretty much dismissed the french as saying, they're not the leaders of nato, and if we're going to have serious conversations about de-escalation, it has to be with the united states. >> yeah. i don't waste much thought on it, to be honest. i don't take it too serious. i think when you look at the elements of national power the way russia undertakes it versus the united states and the west, we always try and go to diplomacy first and to defuse the state-to-state sort of level. that's not how vladimir putin and russia works. they focus on information. they focus on the military. they focus on economic and power

through, you know, all their national resources, so when you look at that, diplomacy is nothing more than a foil, which they use to sort of maneuver. i mean, today, while we're talking about maybe they're going to de-escalate, we're also talking about how many thousands of russian military troops are being deployed, and this isn't just a deployment inside russia. you're seeing troops showing up in crimea. you're seeing them show up along the border and across belarus, which is very different as well. i think one of the key factors is putin sees that he has time to do these negotiations right now, because he's also probably very aware that the winter olympics is going on, and his new pal, xi, doesn't really want to have an invasion overtake what is a big event inside china. so, he's got some room to maneuver, and diplomacy is an option there, but to me, it's always just a foil for what they have ultimately done, which is set up a series of pieces if the options open up and it seems like there's a possibility to get what they want, they're going to take it. >> as someone who's been observing this closely, julia, you can't but ignore the

differences, if you will, in the language sometimes used between the european and american leaders. when we look at yesterday's messaging, though, it seemed different. do you think biden's meeting with the german chancellor, olaf scholz, succeeded in getting the germans, a, to take a firmer stance, specifically towards the nord stream 2 pipeline, for example, or do you feel that there are still divisions that vladimir putin is looking to exploit between not just america and germany but perhaps other european countries like the french. >> you know, if i were vladimir putin looking at emmanuel macron's shuttle diplomacy now, at laugh scholz, i would be seeing the daylight that exists, maybe it's not as much as there was before washington leaned on olaf scholz a little bit, as president biden has been careful not to do publicly, but it's clearly happening privately. in fact, we know it's happening

privately. while not angering them publicly. i think putin knows that germany and france are kind of weak chains -- weak links in the chain, and i think your point was exactly right about how putin doesn't really want to be talking to macron. he wants to be talking to biden. and we've seen this a lot in putin's overall kind of approach to the world, but especially in this crisis. he sees this, i think, as a kind of yalta moment, that he and the other big guy in the room are going to sit down and carve up europe into spheres of influence the way that stalin, churchill, and roosevelt did at yalta, and macron, that's cute, but you're not the big guy. you know, and like, wendy sherman comes out, the deputy secretary of state that was the lead on these negotiations in january, when she came out and said, we're not going to decide the future of ukraine without ukraine or the future of europe without europe, the russians were like, oh, come on.

yes, you can. and we should. we're the two big guys, and we should. >> yeah, i was going to say, to be honest, though, nobody looks big when they're sitting on that table that macron and vladimir putin were sitting on. that thing was huge. it would make anyone look pretty small. julia ioffe, clint watts, thank you so much for spending time with us. when we return, the united states surgeon general on capitol hill today testifying about what can be done to ease the mental health crisis that affects and afflicts america's young people. that conversation after a quick break. young people that conversation after a quick break.

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i'm deeply concerned as a parent and as a doctor that the obstacles this generation of young people face are unprecedented and uniquely hard to navigate. and the impact that's having on their mental health is devastating. the real tragedy is that we are failing as a country to adequately respond to them. even before the pandemic, we were not doing enough to provide adequate care and treatment options in every community, and covid-19 has only made that disparity worse. >> that was the u.s. surgeon general, dr. vivek murthy testifying on capitol hill today about the youth mental health crisis, the devastating impact of all the challenges our young people are facing today. and december, dr. murthy issued an advisory demanding action to help children, adolescents and young adults whose suicide rates

and feelings of helplessness and depression have risen at an alarming rate as the pandemic dramatically altered their daily lives. let's bring in dr. lucy mcbride, author of the covid newsletter as well as a contributor to the "atlantic" and to "the washington post." it's great to have you with us. dr. murthy focused on the stigma around mental health and seeking help, the lack of access to good, affordable mental health care, in particular, for children and young adults, young adolescents. what's your experience with seeing that? >> you know, it warms my heart that vivek murthy is calling attention and sounding the alarm on this parallel pandemic of mental health and crisis. you know, mental health was sort of the stepchild of healthcare before the pandemic. diseases of despair were rampant before coronavirus landed on the scene, and now, after 22 months of lives upended, 900,000

american lives lost, ongoing death and despair as a result of the pandemic, and from the restrictions itself, it's not surprising to anyone seeing patients every day that people are undone. i see patients in my office as a primary careday. i see patients as a primary care doctor, i see adolescents. adolescents in particular are suffering from depression, eating disorders, social isolation, online bullying, loneliness. once they've been vaccinated, they are really not facing such a risk of covid-19 as they are for diseases of despair. it's harder to measure the toll of emotional distress than it is to measure, say, the distance between two desks. there is no pcr test for despair. so what we need to do right now is shore up energy as we face this new chapter of the pandemic and invest in our children, get them back to normal, restore our

confidence in their inability to take baby steps back into school unrestricted and then invest in their health like we do other parts of their health. >> i want to talk about something dr. murphy talked about with two mental factors making this pandemic worse driven by the pandemic is technology and social media. >> it brings feelings of loneliness and low self-esteem for youth. it also contributes to a bombardment of messages that underlie this generation's feeling of self-worth. racial injustice, lgbtq rights,

and the pandemic and gun violence feels too slow. it's like an american promise for many of our children. >> speak to this, doctor, about fixing this and how we can help our young people navigate through social media that they're obsessed with. >> it's a good question. in early 2020 when the pandemic started, like many teenagers, like my three kids, their phones and social media provided a lifeline. it was how they could connect when we were locked down. but now 22 months later, i think people are more isolated, they are more alone, and this is yet another reason why children need to be back in school, unrestricted, without masks. they need to see each other's faces, they need to see the broad range of expression on their peers' faces, their teachers' faces, and a lot of children need school to be fed be to feel safe. some kids don't have happe homes.

some kids need to go to school for safety and/or mentorship. but all children, whether you're developmentally delayed, whether you come from a multigenerational family, or whether you're -- whatever family you come from, whatever shape or size, being in school and being in normal school is one way to start healing the wounds of 22 months of a pandemic. it's not going to be a quick fix, it's not going to be an overnight fix, but i think we really need to invest in the mental health support structures in the schools. we need to scale up mental health services. the therapist i work with who i refer mental health students to, there is a waiting list for six months. >> and we need to be talking about these things and not having a mental stigma around it. doctor, thank you for speaking with us. we'll be right back after this quick break. us. us. we'll be right back after this

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