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transmission. that's much of the country right now in public indoor set gsz. >> the updated rules in new york going into effect tomorrow. that's it for me on this busy wednesday. you can always catch me right here 3:00 p.m. "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. are good day. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington where senate republican leader is slamming the republican national committee for censuring liz cheney and describing january 6th as political discourse. and mcconnell is objecting to the rnc refusal to support candidates who won't go along with mr. trump's fight to overturn the 2020 election. >> the issue is whether or not the rnc should be singling out
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members of our party who may have different views from the majority. that's not the job of the rnc. >> on the coronavirus, new york governor, cathy hochul, is the late to say allow a statewide mask mandate expire. the cdc does not support easing the restrictions. >> we certainly understand the need and desire to be flexible and we want to insure the public health guidance heats the moment we're in. we will keep the public informed and clearly communicate those recommendations to the public if and when they're updated. and russia appears to be moving closer and closer to military action against ukraine. as multiple diplomatic efforts fail. russian war ships moving into the black sea while more u.s. troops and heavy equipment arrive in europe. >> the door to diplomacy is
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still open should russia choose to walk through it but everything we see on the land and sea is they're continuing to escalation. >> joining us is "weekend today cohost" kristen welker and at the pentagon and cia. how much more does the white house know about the discussions macron had in kyiv? what is the concern over impending invasion? >> reporter: it's quite intense. we know president biden has yet to speak to president macron to get a correct readout from him. and white house officials are being tight lipped about what transpired between macron and putin. they're impressed by the levels of diplomacy. but still don't know the motives
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of putin. frankly what is before all their eyes, what yeah laid out at the top when the massive troop build up on the border with russia and ukraine. of course the secretary of state in australia shoring up alliances there but the challenge to make sure all allies are on the same page was on display when the president met with the chancellor of germany and the president was quite clear that if russia does invade when the u.s. will muvlg to shut down the nord stream two pipeline. the german chancellor was not as definitive. based on communication with officials, they tell me privately the chancellor made it clear there would not be any day light between the u.s. and germany. i'm told it's possible the president will have more direct leader phone calls later today.
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so, we'll be watching for that quite closely. >> and jeremy bash. first, do you see an exit strategy after basically surrounding ukraine on all sides with his massive build up? >> yeah, i certainly agree that putin is going to be looking for an exit strategy. i think he did not anticipate the west's response. not only the fact that the u.s. has prepared a set of crippling sanctions against russian financial institutions on day one, export control restrictions that would go after russia's high-tech manufacturing. industrial capability. but the fact we've put kwoivl 00 troops on a prepare to deploy order. we've sent 3,000 troops east to bolster the eastern flank. sent lethal weaponry to the ukrainians.
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and continue to train and equip the ukrainians should an insurgency or counterinsurgency be required. i think putin's hesitated and he's talking to his counterpart in china during the olympics, trying show case unity. if there's an off ramp, it's going to be people like macron and xi jinping saying there's a way out. you don't needed to invade to guarantee russian security. you should pull your troops back. that's the way for deescalation. but if he chooses not to, it seems the united states and the west is going to be very prepared. >> the administration, by all of my reporting, has done a good job bringing all the allies into an unusual solid front. given the fact he'sel for a
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french president running for re-election. that's nothing to say aboutal boris johnson at downing street. reporting first showing how military leaders could not get the white house -- and importantly -- the state department plans to ramp up sooner before taliban took kabul. there's fingers being pointed at acting ambassador for not listening. there's an admiral quoted as saying he just didn't get it. they did inhair at bad hand, the but they were resisting recognition. maybe for political reasons, for the former president in afghanistan, to begin notifying people to start getting out.
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>> reporter: i look forward treating that report. i'm not sure i agree with the assessment the u.s. was unprepared. i think they thought they had three more months to maintain an embassy. now, of course when the taliban advanced on cobble in august, very quickly they got out more than 125,000 individuals. we lost 13 service members on the terrorist attack and that's a tragedy that can't be undone. for the most part we got our mission accomplished in afghanistan. we got out, got our people out, evacuated the embassy. there's still a lot of work to be done because we have to get the afghan nationals who, for so
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many years, supported us and we'll never forget. >> it will take long time to deal with that. and the humanitarian crisis, which is only getting worse. and joining us is former defense secretary william cohn. there's showing the embassy could have been drawn down. and a documents august 14th, saying start the plans, reach out to translators and others
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for visas. well, that's only hours before kabul fell. >> andrea, number one, it'sger to be on with you again. but senator tammy duckworth has introduced legislation, which is now part of the law. which has called for a complete investigation into the entire commitment that we made to afghanistan over the last two decades. and i think that investigation will go. >> to this kind of issue in terms of when did the state department start to indlees processing seeking tom initiate the united states wp rs. was there someone saying ramp it up or don't ramp it up? there a are a lot of fingers. and thaul r hair recommendation
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is pull hit the out. lot of tifant recommendations coming from different sources. so we had somewhat of a chaotic and lack of comprehensive plan. i think once this investigation's underway, it will be one of the lessons learned. what did we learn about going to a country like afghanistan. what happened to the mission? how did it increase from going after bin laden. all thesish oo as will be deeply explored. i think there are lot of people responsible for having made the decision in the first place and allowed it to, not only mission creak but leap into what we saw in the last ten/fifteen years. >> right. all very good points. let me ask about ukraine because
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the door seems to be closing on diplom haes. and the military build up -- he was told weeks ago through thumeetings with secretary blinken he had to start showing deescalation and now we have sent in troops. what are do you think is the most likely outcome? >> well, putin is not interested in negotiating, finding a diplomatic way out of this. without the united states simply making concessions. he has nothing to concede. nothing to give the urs aurs, other thaurnl he's not be toing to invade ukraine and what they say and do are two entirely
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different rings. and he has the one hays. twb twenty-two zb 100,000 rr lo on the boarder and number three, i have my knee on the necks of the europeans in terms of their gas supplies. he doesn't soogive up much. i'm going to hakt like pay thon y leave them and lead my misinformation campaign and say you've been abandoned by the united states and the west. come to papa. i think if he goes in and there are severe economic repercussions plus he loses people in the battlefield, i think he's calculated that.
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and figures if he can withstand that and there's a guy named donald trump waiting to come in the white house. so, my friend will take them off three years from now. >> what is the risk of mission creek if he does invade for us? >> continue to supply ukraine with weapons. i think we ought to sunday signal that those troops that have gone to slat via are going be to more permanent. so, that's a kaurs lay thing for fooand if we show we're not committed to helping ukraine defend itself. one final thing.
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the president is going to munich. and it's important she make sure all of our allies are wus and it's not entirely clear that's the case. it goes back to the 1980s. their were sove ytz. pointing at the europeans and we wanted to defloi prgz two. in the end, they say we're going take them back. we have to show we're prepared to take action. it's mostly economic in severe economics. are in terms of what we do now, i say we keep sending defensive equipment so they'll pay a bigger penalty and then make sure we're going to beef up our presence saying we are back and
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need be back in a big way. >> thank you very much. always great to have you on. and strife of the party. the top senate republican standing up to the rnc on its assessment of the january 6th attacks. but the house minority leader takes a different stance. r takes a different stance s is pe. jackpot. variety pack. remember, it's a football game, not a play date. roger that. one more slice. it can be a lot. oh, good, the manager. uh, brian in produce -- very helpful. progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto with us. -pulls to the left a little bit. -nope. there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections,
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kinzinger and liz cheney, for are serving on the january 6th committee. and mcconnell saying january 6th was not political discourse. >> we saw what happened. it was a violent insurrection. for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election. >> moments ago house republican leader, mccarthy, taking a different stance when speaking to nbc. >> entered this building that rioting is not political discourse. >> do you agree with the decision to sensor them? >> the rnc has the ability -- i think there's a reason why adam is not running again. i think there's a reason why, at the end of the day, liz will have a hard time win figure she runs. >> and joining me is senior
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capitol hill correspondent who just a caught up with kevin mccarthy, who's not easy to find these days near cameras. and chan, a former policy advisor to the romney campaign and sam stein, political writer. we're talking off camera about hew hard it's been to track down mccarthy as this thing has been blown up. >> reporter: mccarthy and mitch mcconnell ultimately want the same thing, which is to not talk about january 6th every day. mcconnell has made the decision that by speaking very clearly on the actions the rnc should or shouldn't take, he can get people to stop asking him about it. mccarthy has tried to avoid reporters for the last several days. perhaps what we see is what may be his last, what he hope sthz
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last time he gets asked about this or has to give a substntative answer. you see him distancing himself from the language about political discourse, which no serious person can believe that january 6th really was and trying to defend them for the action and getting into the weeds about what the rnc was trying to say in that statement along with the sensor. >> and donald trump just put out a statement reacting to mitch mcconnell saying he does not represent the republican party and does not represent the views of the vast majority of republican voters. what does this split mean for voters? >> republicans, democrats any political party. you don't win elections through subtraction. you don't. the only way is by trying to add people, not subtract people.
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the challenge republicans face is how do you go into a midterm election cycle where there's no question the macro factors favor republicans this fall. first midfrom a president is always an opportunity for that president to lose seats in the congress. you have a whole host of issues, whether it's inflation, what's happening abroad. when you're focussed on subtraction, rather than addition, it's not great look, great plan. i think that's what others are eluding to when they talk about the need to bring the party together not divide it over these kinds of issues. >> and mcconnell has maintained a sense of humor from the old president who's called him an old crow. he said thaltsds his favorite bourbon, old crow.
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and 43% say donald trump bears a lot of responsibility. that's down 10% from last year. >> i was hoping you'd ask me about old crow bourbon. i think a lot of this is, for the republican party, much of the party's basically moved on from january 6th. either they don't want to talk about it because they don't think it serves political interest to do so or they want to turn it into an opportunity for them to rile up the base. while i think mitch mcconnell is taking a stance. mike pence saying he disagreed with donald trump's assessment of his ability to not certify the election. in the end, the base of the party, vast majority have argued is on the side of trump.
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they don't believe this was anything more than a demonstration wab peaceful, if not rowdy, political demonstration. they do believe there were inaccuracies and potential fraud in the 2020 elections and they are galvanized by these issues. that's why you see numbers like in the pugh poll. the republican party no longer thinks this is a major issue and they don't think trump bears major responsibility. >> let me ask you about mike pence. does his statement last friday, splitting with the rnc and former president, does that set him apart with where the tloefs party is sfwl look, i think he made statement, which is true. he did not have the authority, the ability, whatever you want to call it, to circumvent the
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results of a legally determined election. a presidential primary campaigns are about establishing a lane. it's a question of where do you stand in contrast with your opponents, whom you moimt might agree with 90% of the time. they auchb hawn usually hins isit's a hur -- it's a disadvantage. a lot of this is about looking ahead and thinking through what are the politics look like when you think of all the people who could unand and sursuttonply puts himself in a lane that might be next.
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>> they've been focussed on the trump white house and those around it. they've talked to trump communications staffers and they're focusing on efforts out of the states. efforts to take voting machines. and we expect that effort to keep ramping up here. they've said they want to get to public hearings phase of committee work by spring. i'm happy to say that's fast approaching. >> thanks all and relax the mask. more states lifting mandates, despite official recommendations that masks stay on. that masks stay on make the morning chaos, organized chaos.
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>> it's sejd sending mixed messages. and armed more than 200,000 new cases a day. the cdc is still recommending 99% of people should continue wearing masks. look at the red map. that's where cases are increasing at high levels, despite vaccination status. >> at this time we continue to recommend masking in areas of high transmission. that's much of the country right now in public indoor settings. >> joining me now is founder and ceo of advancing health equity. you can understand why people might be confused. now you go to new york state as of the new deadline and you don't need to wear an indoor mask. the next state you do. we read that the northeast is in better shape.
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other states are not and then you look at the map and it's red everywhere. >> i -- thank you for having me. i understand how the public can be confused because right now we really are not creating policies based on the evidence. as you just mentioned the entire country, 99% of u.s. counties are insubstantial or high levels of transmission for coronavirus and masks are recommended. i think off ramps and ramps are very important. we need have vaccination rates, transmission levels and hospital capacitities determining whether or not to reinstate or lift mask mandates. right now it's not clear we're actually following the evidence. and so, i'm concerned about what is going to happen over the next few weeks. what's going to happen when we have the next variant or surge?
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what are our governors doing to make sure that every resident has what they need to stay safe? and what that looks like are free n 95 rapid tests, which have started but still not adequate and what other policies are we going to put in place in businesses. for example, focusing on clean air. we need make sure that public spaces, businesses and schools are safe and i would say ventilation and air filtration are an area we should focus right now as opposed to lifting mask mandates. >> and what about new york that has not dropped the school mask mandate yet? >> i would say schools, i'm even more concerned about schools. only half of 12 to 17-year-olds have been vaccinated. 30% of five to 11 year olds have been vaccinated. so, we still need increase the vaccination rates.
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to think about removing masks in low vaccination settings and they're congregate settings that are high risk by nature, it doesn't make any sense to me. i think schools should be among the last places masks are removed. again, we have to think about vaccination rate in the schools and communities and transmission levels as well. i think i'm concerned about lifting school mask mandates and they should be the last place mandates are rescinded. >> is there a national transmission rate to guide mayors and governors and school leaders as to when it's safe to lower the mask? >> cdc has a different degree of transmission levels they designate. for 10 cases of 100,000 residents, it's considered low transmission. i think it makes sense to use
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criteria like that. some states or localties using vaccination rates. saying the vaccination rates are above 80% in a school district, including students, then you can rescind masks. it doesn't make seps to remove mask mandates just because cases are falling. we have to look at multiple criteria and how they could potentially endanger immuno compromised or people who remain unvaccinated. >> thank you so much for being here today. and inflation. influx. fears prices will keep climbing. up next the growing pressure on the fed, and consumers. g pressu the fed, and consumers
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this afternoon president biden is again going to be promoting his build back better proposals. even as senate leaders have all but declared the bill dead unless small parts can be salvaged in line with senator joe manchin. joining us is the professor of economics and former chair of president obama's counsel of advisors. thank you for being here. it does seem like beating a dead horse. the president's time is so valuable. why still push build back better instead of what you think you can get passed? >> i spent a decade of my life working in the white house and the one thing i know that's even worse than economic forecasts is political forecasts. i've seen things you thought were dead come back to life. i've also seen thing youz knew were going to pass that failed. i think it's important enough i would keep working at it if i
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were him. >> the white house has been arguing the bill would help bring prices down and control inflation. explain the nexus between that much additional federal spending and bringing inflation down. >> i don't think it would bring down inflation in the consumer price index measure, which we're going to get tomorrow for the month of january. i don't think it would raise it either because the bill is paid for. it has spending, tax increases for inflation that roughly cancels out. if you give more money to families with children, that's going to help them pay those costs. if you give money for more clean energy, that will bring down the cost of clean energy. another way it would help families. >> and the white house has been getting creative, you could say, in some proposals. i noticed a combined proposal to
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try combat the shortage of truck drivers, long-distance truck drivers in particular and recruiting new veterans to enter an apprentice program and learn to be a truck driver. that does seem like one way to deal -- to take a stab at supply chain problems and the truck aring shortage. >> i think the white house is doing a lot of the right things on the supply chain side. the problem is the supply chain side is not the only problem, probably not the biggest one and one that will mostly solve itself through the private sector. they should leave no stone unturned and you'll get something good out of it. in this case, veterans getting connected to a great job and people getting products sooner and cheaper than otherwise. >> you mention the inflation measure is going to come out tomorrow. the last numbers were really
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esky high when the highest rate in nearly four decades. consumers are feeling it more every day when they're shopping. what can the fed be doing to keep up with the problem? >> inflation is primary the task of the federal reserve and the main thing the administration can do is appoint people to the federal reserve. i would love to see them confirmed. and then the fed really needs to do its job. i think it's going to raise rates in march, raise rates at almost every meeting this year. and you don't want to think -- that's not slamming on the brakes. that's really just moving the door a more normal place. we just don't need the unusual level of assistance we've had in the last two years. >> taking racially questionable shots at one of the fed nominees and not confirming people is not
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knocked out of the slalom competition days after skiing out after 11 seconds. stunned, she sat on the side of the course, doubled over for more than 20 minutes. are. >> makes me second guess like the last 15 years, everything i thought i knew about my own skiing and slalom and racing mentality. >> in better news, team u.s.a. has its first gold after an incredible performance from 36-year-old snowboarder in her fifth olympics. and u.s. snowboarders kim and white defending their title thins half pipe. white is set to retire after the winter games and says he's aiming to go home with his fourth olympic gold. >> reporter: andrea, i would say
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shaun white gave us the most shaun white performance, which is fitting for his last dance. he basically did extremely well. then fell during his first run. got back up and on his second run, he just tore it up. on his second run, he just tore it up, absolutely shredded that second run. i call it a shaun white performance because he gave everybody in the crowd a heart attack, especially everybody in the press corp but it is such a shaun white thing do to put it all on the line with his back against the wall and he nails his second run now, qualified in the final round. he will have one last shot in his career for a fourth goal. meanwhile, earlier that day, i also caught up with chloe kim, the 20-year-old phenom
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basically, put down an extremely solid run, got first place and never let go. so her style. she walks over to me and her mind is not even on snowboarding anymore, she's talking about how hundred fri she is. that's chloe kim. she nails it and just moves on. it's reminiscent of shaun white earlier in his career. both of them now qualified and both of them now smelling gold coming up in the next few days. mikaela shiffrin had a rough day and continued that same theme, wiping out in the first few seconds of her performance as well. she sat on the sideline for about 20 minutes, head in her hands after realizing what had gone wrong. she still has several more race, though, and is still trying to look for a history-making run to get another gold. she's got a mental block i think to get over as she pursues more
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gold. back to you. >> thanks so much to steve patterson. it was just devastating to watch her just sitting there totally alone for so long, until she was finally comforted by her coach. we wish her well. and prosecuting parents. how much legal responsibility does a parent have for their children's use of guns? that's a very important new legal issue on "andrea mitchell reports" coming up. reports" coming up -capsule! -capsule! -capsule! capsule saves me money on prescriptions. capsule took care of my insurance. capsule delivered my meds to my doorstep. capsule is super safe and secure. get your prescriptions hand delivered for free at capsule.com (bright music) - win at work by communicating effectively with grammarly.
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the parents of a teen charged with gunning down four students at his michigan high school in november are accused of ignoring warning signs of their son's potential violent. they've pleaded not guilty to four counts of manslaughter. joyce, talk about what kind of precedent this could be for prosecuting parents if they don't control their children's access to guns. >> andrea, something we should be very careful about is not wanting to see cases like this overcharged. anyone who has been around parents and kids appreciate kids don't always control their kids' behavior and aren't always responsible for it.
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in this case you had two different lines of awareness coming together. the parents purchased the gun for his son, trained him in its use and failed to secure it properly. coming alongside that is they became aware because the school told them that their son was having violent ideation and concern that he couldn't stop the feeling he was having. so the point where he's left at the school with the school knowing nothing of any of this history, they then cross over the line where they can be charged with this involuntary manslaughter type of crime. it doesn't mean they intended to kill. it means that their gross negligence resulted in the deaths of these four students. >> so what is the burden on the prosecution? what do they have to prove? do they just have to prove gross negligence? not motive, not intent? >> yeah, you know, i think the most important issue here, the challenge the prosecution faces is going to be proving causation because they will have to prove that sort of gross negligence
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and they have their evidence and it is what it is. that determination will ultimately be up to a jury. they'll have to convince the jury that the parent's ambassadors were the cause of the shooting. >> we can think of awful cases that children this guns that parents were aware of but awareness may not be enough, as you're pointing out. >> i think that's correct. one of the challenges we're going to face as a society is increasingly we're in this very permissive atmosphere about gun ownership. we have to think about how we line up logical restraints. this is clearly the outer limits of what parents can get away with. states can enact laws that impose specific duties.
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the more we can do to encourage responsible gun ownership, though there's a lot more we can do to prevent gun ownership, this is the least we can do as a society. >> does it make a difference the defendant is being charged as an adult, not as a juvenile? >> this notion of charging juveniles as adults is highly contentious. it has implications on whether that child is housed with adults. d.o.j. says no child should be housed where they're in view of or have adults in custody. one of the issues we have to confront are our desires to see appropriate punishment and retribution but our desire to have a fair and just criminal justice system that treats even people who commit heinous crimes
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fairly. >> joyce vance, thank you very much. good to have you here on a very complicated story, one with a lot of political ramifications given what happens with gun laws in our country. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online and on twitter and chuck todd and "mp daily" start right now. if it's wednesday after years of resistance, congressional leaders in both parties are backing an effort to ban members from trading stocks. but bullish isn't the word most voters might use when it comes to washington's ability to address what's at the heart of this issue, corruption and income inequality. plus the tied continues to turn against covid restrictions as more blue state governors are breaking with white house recommendations. what it makes for the pandemic and politics up ahead. and as