good to be with you. welcome to the new phase of the pandemic in america. the era of the big restrictions appears to be coming to an end. three more states all announced the end of their mask mandates. the governors of new york and massachusetts, a democrat and a

republican, told their states, it is time to adapt to a new normal. >> we've learned a lot about how safe schools are and how to keep kids in class learning over the course of this pandemic. we have far more tools available to us to deal with the pandemic than we had back at the beginning. >> new yorkers, this is what we are waiting for, tremendous progress after two long years, and we're not done but this is trending in a very, very good direction and that is why we are now approaching a new phase in this pandemic. >> this change we are seeing happening across the country in both red and blue states is not in line with the cdc's guidelines, and here's the director, walensky today? >> we are wearing masks in areas of high transmission, and that's much of the country now in indoor public settings.

>> that's a federal look and state and local look after two years of lockdowns and masking and isolating, and there's a new push to find balance, and learning to live with covid-19 much in the way we live with the flu. emily is here in new york city, and an associate dean and professor of the associate medicine at brown university. the mandates in schools, first off, have not been lifted but what are you hearing from parents and students about how they feel about the mandate and if they will eventually be lifted at schools? >> well, some of these changes announced today will take affect almost immediately starting tomorrow. the governor says the state's mask or vaxx requirement for businesses will be lifted, and new york city here does not

appear to be doing so and she pointed to the dropping of hospitalizations and covid-19 cases as a justification for these changes. on january 9, since then, there has been significant improvement. she says the pandemic is not over and wants people to feel safe, and as you mentioned she's keeping the mask mandate within schools and she will re-evaluate. in terms of people here on the ground, it's a mixed bag. take a listen here. >> we can take them off now, really. i don't see a problem. it's not surging again. i am uncomfortable wearing them, but i think they should let the kids take them off now. >> it's way too soon. not everybody is vaccinated and nobody believes in getting

vaccinated, and the mask is the only thing that really protects you. >> i think the mandate should stay for a few more weeks probably. i don't think it's time yet. >> as you mentioned, new york joining the growing list of states that are losening the safety precautions and restrictions, and these actions comes in sharp contrast with the cdc guidance, the cdc saying they should keep masks in schools. >> doctor, let's talk about what we are hearing from the cdc versus what we are hearing from other states. how do you square that round peg? >> you know, i think this is the reality of science and the ideal

coming up the political reality. let's look at where we are at in this pandemic. cases are dropping, and hospitalizations are dropping, and vaccines are available for kids 5 plus, and we are expecting to see the vaccines authorized for younger children very soon. what i would love to see is to keep the indoor mask mandates in place for a couple more weeks, especially in areas with low vaccination rates until cases drop more. this is important for schools and kudos to governors, and we are able to keep the kids protected. what we are seeing on the cdc side is that, you know, the cdc is a bureaucracy, and it's taking time to change guidelines and they are not a political organization, and they are providing scientific information rather than what is reflected out there on the ground. >> i can go to a bar or

restaurants and we don't have to wear our masks inside, including before the mask mandate was lifted. i don't understand how the adults can go maskless in place after place after place, but we have to keep masking our kids. when you look at the data of how this virus affects people, the data shows it does not affect kids in the same way or as viciously, frankly, as it can affect some adults. >> i would say, what is our goal here? our goal is keeping kids in the classroom safely. we did not have vaccines available for the 5 to 11-year-olds this fall, and then we had an omicron surge, and vaccines were able to protect you but they were not perfect. if we were unmasked in schools, we would see a much larger number of kids, teachers and staff out and we would have seen larger numbers of schools closed. having mask mandates in place for the last couple of months during the omicron surge made

total sense with the goal of keeping our kids in classrooms now that the surge is receding, let's unmask them now that they have the opportunity to be vaccinated. >> thank you so much. emily, thank you so much as well. and then spilling over the border, trucks blocking traffic at two border crossings between the united states and canada, and protesters blocked lanes at the highway that runs between alberta and montana and at the ambassador bridge, the busiest international crossing in north america. in ottawa, what began as a group of truckers and protesters expressing their frustration with the new vaccine mandate has grown into a major disruption. the national news parliamentary reporter is in ottawa for us. >> reporter: it's all quiet in ottawa, and the only thing you

can hear is music in the background, no horns or loud trucks revving their engines, and the reason is because a court recently issued an injunction to silence the noise, and this was filed on behalf of a 21-year-old public servant, and now it will be a class action lawsuit. this 21-year-old has done more to impact the protests than the city has. for the last two weeks trucks have been blocking the street in front of parliament hill. the trucks have been blaring horns and stopping traffic from moving into the downtown court. two weeks into this, the protesters say they have no intention of going anywhere anytime soon. they said they will be here until both mandates are lifted, and justin trudeau says he has

no plans of doing that. this is being called a siege, an occupation on downtown, and protesters have started to try and thwart protesters cracking down on fuel, by filling cans with water and drink them brazenly in the street. there are 418 trucks still in the downtown core, and those trucks have children living in them and that's causing concern, not only because it complicates police efforts but police are concerned about the safety and well-being of the children. for now it's unclear how this will end, police in ottawa do not have enough resources to police the situation, and they have asked for reinforcements, and for now it's unclear whether that will happen. >> thank you so much. with me now is the former u.s. ambassador to canada during the

obama administration, bruce heyman. this is a bit of a mess, not just in ottawa but it's spilling over into the united states in two ways, the bridges that we are seeing, especially the one that connected canada and detroit, and in the way that certain media outlets in this country have been egging on the protests in ottawa. how do you see things? >> let's just do some ground setting, katy. this is our best friend, our best ally, our next door neighbor is the 525 mile border, and this country has been there for us at every turn and movies and plays have been written about this relationship, and this is our best friend. what is most important to us as a country, republicans, democrats alike, is our next door neighbor should be stable

and prosperous in the democracy, and that's what we should all work for, and a number of people within canada and outside of canada have injected themselves into what started as a small group of truckers upset about a vaccine mandate, and now organized by some number of right-wing folks that you have mentioned, both here in the united states and in canada, and i think that's a line that should not have been crossed. that's a norm where they have never injected themselves in our countryn this way in destabilizing our government. >> this started -- it's reported or claimed that this was started by folks who were upset about the vaccine mandates in canada. we have polling we can put up on the screen about how canadians feel about the vaccine mandates

in that country, but it has evolved since then. what are you seeing happening in ottawa right now? who are the people who are pushing this and keeping this going for as long as it has gone on so far? is it just people who are upset about vaccine mandates and want those to be lifted? >> what we saw a week ago, and annie bergeron correctly pointed out about how it diminished in ottawa, but people waving nazi flags, white supremacists groups that were there, these were not truckers but these were people that latched on through social media motivation, and a large part coming from the media outlet from within the united states, and politicians within the united states egging them on, which, again, i believe is a line that should never be crossed. this encouragement also caused

millions of dollars to be raised through fundraising, and this is a threat to the stability of canada, our next door neighbor? >> how does canada deal with this now? they are so entrenched with ottawa, and they are trying to cut off fuel supplies and they are still getting in there, and they have the supplies to stay for quite a long time. >> so the important message i have, this is canada, and canada can handle it and they will make the decision on how best to handle it. it's not up for us americans to tell canada how to manage this situation in their country, and we should not be participants in enabling it, either, and what makes it more complicated for us -- >> let me ask you this, and i am sorry for interrupting, and the

risk to the united states, if we should not advice them on how to deal with it, what is the risk to the united states in having this happen and the threat to have it happen here at home as well? >> i think there are two main risks. the first risk is economic right now. with the ambassador bridge being completely blocked or partially blocked, everybody should know canada is our largest trading partner in the world, and 25% or more of merchandise that goes between the two countries goes on that bridge right there, and just a few people can block that bridge with the trucks, and that's a choke point for us for factories in michigan and ohio, and it's food for canadians and medicines crossing the border, and this is highly destabilizing and if it continues will it be dangerous economically and health wise. the second risk is clearly if it spreads to the united states,

and i don't see that, but some people get crazy watching others. the last thing we need in the united states is for everybody to copy any part of this. we have right-wing activists within the united states today that are furmenting this. >> thank you for being with us. and mccarthy responds to the claim that the january 6th is legitimate political debate. >> i think anybody that has entered this building, that rioting, it's about political discourse. >> he did not stop there. the rest after the break. also ahead, the green rush in one of the reddest states in the country, just three years after oklahoma legalized medical marijuana, the state is seeing a big boom. later, a figure skating

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speaking exclusively to our own garrett this morning, the one that said the insurrection was legitimate political discourse. >> anybody that entered this building that rioted is legitimate political discourse, but i don't think that's what they were talking about. there's a reason why adam is not running again, and there's a reason why at the end of the day liz would have a hard time if she runs. >> in a statement representative cheney's office said as everybody knows, truth has never been leader mccarthy's strong suit. this fighting along with the

attempt to minimize january 6th is not going so well on the other side of the capitol, and senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, is the highest ranking republican to call the january 6th that, and he took issue at the party attacking its own saying, quote, that is not the job of the rnc. despite it all, kinzinger and cheney have not waivered on their work from the committee. joining me now is punchbowl news founder, jake. leader mccarthy trying to say the rnc was not really saying what the rnc said.

>> the rnc is obviously a body of free thinking, and if they wanted to say the people that came into the building were in the wrong, there's no question about that. they said what they said with intent. this was not a fly-by-night operation. understand, and i know you understand but it's worth reiterating. kevin mccarthy's only goal is to get to november with the least amount of controversy as humanly possible. that's what he wants to do. he doesn't want to talk about january 6th, and he doesn't want to talk about adam kinzinger and liz cheney, and it's amazing to me the intra-party fight between cheney and mccarthy. cheney was in mccarthy's leadership team, and that shows you how far the party has split into two. a lot of people are associating themselves with mitch mcconnell's comments, and

mccarthy is taking a half step saying the rnc has the right, and mcconnell never said they did not have a right but said it was not appropriate. >> and now the january 6th committee is looking into rudy giuliani not showing up, and they have issued more subpoenas, and are there any results of what they have been finding? >> they said they wanted to do hearings in the spring, and there's a little disagreement on the committee from what i could tell between the spring and the summer. the advantage of the spring is they would have the stage alone and hold those hearings and grab the attention when a lot is not going to legislatively, and now the big kahuna, the supreme court nomination process, and that will grab a ton of attention in the months of april and perhaps even may, and they

don't have time, they have to get it going in the spring or early summer. the larger question is this is the same thing we faced with impeachment on capitol hill, and i am not saying nobody cares about this, before people jump down my throat, people do care about january 6th, but how do you make it appealing and compelling television and content because in addition to being oversight, that's what the hearings are intended to do. >> jake, thank you so much. in his new book, he traces many events that led to donald trump's election, and it also contains new details about what was happening within the halls of the capitol during the january 6th riots including how representative adam kinzinger was worried, he bought a gun to the capitol that day.

and one doctor broke legs off chairs to use as clubs to confront the rioters before he, ronny jackson, returned to the chamber to cast his vote against certifying the election. with me now is "new york times" political reporter, jeremy peters. he's the author of the new book " in sir insurgeon sea. >> i think those two experiences, it's remarkable to me that somebody like representative ronnie jackson,

who feared for his life so greatly on january 6th that he took off his tie because he didn't want the rioters to break into the chamber and strangle him with it. how does somebody like that go from having that searing member rein your minds, to go into flight or fight mode like that to basically casting his lot now with the republicans who are re-writing the history of that day? i don't think the memory of that type of fear goes away. maybe you can find of compartmentalize it for political expediency, but it's just an example of the way that trump has forced republicans who are seeking re-election to basically whitewash what happened on january 6th. >> what i -- sorry, but what i found interesting in your book beyond just the insider trump white house stuff, the

re-election stuff, the january 6th stuff, was how you got into his relationship with fox news and how roger ailes saw him, and there was an op-ed in the "new york times" leading up to this book, and can you say why roger ailes didn't anticipate he would be able to control donald trump once donald trump became this massive political figure? >> the type of problem roger ailes had with trump is the same way the tea party and the republican party had with him all along, and they tried to bring him in the big tent and co-opt him, and they had no interest in sharing power or in necessarily being good-faith governing partners. they thought, and not without justification they delivered the

votes so they should have more of a leadership role, and you saw this with john boehner and the tea party, and george bush and pat buchanan, and what roger ailes did in assuming that trump would be good for television ratings, which he was, is they were playing on the same team. but with somebody like donald trump, there's an i in team, and that's something that i got into in the book, too, when you look at mike pence's situation right now, and i talked to trump about this and i talked to other trump aides about this, and trump is not interested in the pointing or grooming a successor. he wants to be the only guy who is shown that he can do this. steve bannon pointed this out to me in 2018, so long ago, and i

asked him about mike pence, and i said is there going to be a successor to the trump movement and will it be pence? bannon laughed he said, no, donald trump wants the next guy following him to lose by 40 points. that sums up the situation the republican party is in today and why people are assuming there's somehow going to be some type of tidy handoff like desantis or something are really mistaken. >> there's a lot of trump bucks out there, and i wrote one of them but you managed to find new details and new reporting and angles on this story in your new book, "insergentcy." it's really riveting. oklahoma's marijuana boom. how a green rush came to the red state. red

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something that we are seeing the president continue to push. this roundtable gets the president to use the ceos as an opportunity to show why it's needed and how it would spur investment and clean energy and the white house clearly continuing to try and push the message of build back better in whatever form. >> they want it to have a life, even if joe manchin says it's dead. conservative oklahoma, where only medical marijuana is legal, new markets sparked a frenzy. >> what kind of well-oiled machine you would expect to see in oklahoma. but make no mistake, folks here know a boom when they see one. we are in one of the reddest states in the country standing

here in a room full of marijuana. >> nobody thought we would be here, right? >> now three years after the state legalized medical marijuana, more than 100 employees make sure their supply meets the surging demand. all it took to start is 2,500 to grow and no cap. >> 3,000 cannabis plants in this one room. >> you will have this on a store shelf how soon? >> 90 days. >> around 400,000 oklahomans with medical cannabis cards. oklahoma now home to more than 2,000 marijuana dispensaries, more than colorado and california. >> we are witnessing the second

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realistic training, and they will build trust and in this manner together we will assure our allies, detour our adversaries and stand ready to defend the nato alliance. >> the biden administration also approved plans for u.s. troops in poland to set up a checkpoint and camps for ukrainians to flee in the next coming of days. matt bradley joins us from ukraine. what you have been experiencing there today? >> reporter: yeah, we did some reporting today, katy. it's interesting, when we are talking about the ukrainian military, we said it is out gunned and out manned and it's so woefully out financed compared to the russians. back in 2020, the russians spent ten times more on their military than the ukrainians, and the ukrainians benefit from the billions of dollars in aid both

in material and in cash from the west, not only from washington but countries throughout the west in order to bolster their military in the face of a russian invasion. but when you are here, there's a lot of excess passion and a lot of people that want to help out their military, and the military wants the money. we are here at the hotel where i am standing in the lobby, there's a box that says help for the ukrainian army, and there's cash and change in there, and people can just throw in money. and in the west, you see people giving money to veterans and their families, and this is different, and it's going towards the military and any country in the world would have it as a budget item like in the united states, but here it's a friends and neighbors affair, and people are just giving to

the military and the military is saying we need your cash. i spoke to a woman out there with uniformed soldiers buying them eventually gifts. she brought a generator and a couple saws that would be used in order to make those trenches on the front line. i spoke to her. >> right now the ukrainian government is squaring off with the russian military, and they are the second richest military in the world, and how can they do that. >> a lot of families here, this is their mother land, but they can't fight and lean only on some psychological efforts. they also need modern equipment. >> reporter: again, katy, i am

showing you this because this is just another metric that shows how out gunned and how overwhelming the russian forces are when compared to the ukrainian -- >> i wanted to point out it was a translator, because that came off different when you saw her speak to a man's voice. congressman, it's good to see you and it's been a little while. let's talk about what the expectation is for what is going to happen in ukraine. we hear a lot from the pentagon about how russia is ready and they could strike at any moment if they wanted to, and diplomatic efforts are still furious. from somebody who works on the intelligence committee, can you give us some clarity about what the united states expect right now? >> yeah, you know, nobody really

knows, katy. thanks for having me back. the reality is that putin has a decision to make and it's not 100% clear he's made the decision, but he put himself in a position to make it and move very rapidly. there are a lot of factors that will be weighing on his mind, right? despite what you just pointed out about the mismatch there, and there's a difference between people fighting for the military and people fighting for their own homes. there's a weather situation, and the ground is frozen or not, and that has an impact on how you can move armour around. the expectation in this building is that there's a very high probability that putin goes and that's why we need to take every minute between now and whenever to make sure that we make it very clear the costs of such a decision would be enormously

high for vladimir putin. >> we heard about a potential false flag move by putin, where they wag the dog and stage a scene where there are actors mourning the dead. is there any other intelligence you are able to share with us about what else russia might be planning in order to justify an invasion, maybe a cyberattack? i'm not sure. you tell us if there's anything else we can know. >> the point of what you were just referring to, making public, and that's a big deal for the intelligence community, and the british did that when they disclosed a plan by vladimir putin to appoint an interim leader when they went in, and the point of that, of course, is to show putin that we are watching and to try to take off the table some options he

may consider. i can tell you, and he's got a lot of alternatives, but it's pretty brazen to do what he has done, to put 130,000 troops on the border of someone else's country, and then invade. of course he's going to look for a pretext, right? if he does go, it will be because there was some sort of staged attack or violence, and he will frame it as protecting the russian people, which is hard to do considering over the last couple of months he has obviously positioned himself for an invasion. >> how much power does he have -- there seems to be a close alliance that he has built with president xi from china, and does this new relationship or this strengthening relationship concern you and

concern the united states? >> it's concerning, right. it's fascinating when you think about it, the chinese if they stood for one thing in foreign policy over the last generation or so it's that you don't get to mess around in anybody you certainly don't get to mess around in our internal affairs and they're instd with vladimir putin and it's pretty fascinating. but, yeah, it's pretty concerning. one way we'll deter it if we can by making it clear that it will be enormously economically and he doesn't get to sell his oil, natural gas and get access to currency. the chinese, of course, have a pretty big darn economy and they could, if they chose to, really blunt the impact of those economic sanctions. >> that's what i was going to ask next. congressman jim, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. why is one of the biggest medal ceremonies of the winter olympics being delayed? a bit of a mystery.

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the first gold medal for team usa won by lindsay jacobellis who took the top spot and shaun white and chloe kim advance to the half-pipe finals. mikaela shiffrin did not finish after skidding five seconds into a run. but a silver or maybe even a gold lining if she takes home two more gold medals in these games she will make olympic history and hold the record for most golds by female alpine skier and she has three more chances to do that in other events. finally to the mystery, a medal ceremony for team figure skating was suddenly delayed by the ioc because of, quote, legal issues. nbc news does not know the nature of those issues. joining me now is nbc news correspondent gadi schwartz.

kind of weird. >> yeah, absolutely. whatever it is, it could be a bombshell. this is one of the biggest winter events. a medal ceremony that has come to a screeching halt with basically no information given by the international olympic committee yet other than it is some sort of legal issue and could affect a medalist, which, as you can imagine, leaves a whole lot to the imagination. let's just recap what we know for sure. the roc won gold and the united states won silver and japan won bronze. if you're wondering what is the roc again, the russian olympic committee which is what russian athletes including russian figure skaters compete under after russia was banned as punishment for a state-involved doping scandal. but, again, at this point the ioc hasn't said who is involved and what is going on right now. nothing about this latest legal issue that's halted the ceremony, but if one of the medalists if the roc or team usa or japan were to lose a medal,

then fourth place, canada, would get to step up to third place. but, unfortunately, at this point, there's still no word on whether we're going to know either way what the ioc at this point only saying sometimes legal issues can drag on. so, not a lot of information. >> very interesting. we will be watching. gadi schwartz. thank you so much. appreciate it. that right there, my friends, is going to do it for me. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. coverage next.

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