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days having to answer for where they stand on january 6. here is kevin mccarthy literally dodging a reporter's question about the rnc. mccarthy later spoke to nbc's garrett haake defending the rnc's move. >> legitimate political discourse. did you hear that characterization from the rnc? >> i think anybody -- we all know this -- that entered this building, that rioted, is not legitimate discourse. i don't think that is what the rnc was talking about. >> so do you agree with the decision to censure them? >> the rnc has the ability -- i think there is a reason why adam is not running again. i think there is a reason why the -- liz would have a hard time here if she runs. i don't even think she'll run. >> well, a fact check here. the rnc tried to clean up its position by saying it was referring only to nonviolent

protesters. the actual resolution made no such distinction. now mccarthy's claim that liz cheney won't run for office? a spokesperson for cheney said this. quote, as everyone knows, truth has never been his strong suit. over in the senate, fallout from gop leader mitch mcconnell calling january 6th a, quote, violent insurrection and rebuking the rnc for taking action against members of congress. florida republican marco rubio today reacted to mcconnell, claiming that january 6th was not an insurrection because it had no chance of succeeding. take a listen. >> why aren't you calling january 6th an insurrection like mcconnell did? >> because there was no way they were going to overthrow the government of the united states. it wasn't going to happen. they were able to delay by a few hours the vote count but there was absolutely no way did we ever come close in any way, shape, or form to those people leading to the overthrow of the government of the united states of america.

i think it is important to characterize this as it was. it was a riot. it was a dangerous riot, a violent one. it should never have happened and never happen again. >> of course the definition of insurrection doesn't hinge on whether an insurrection would succeed. thanks to the findings of the january 6 committee and a steady stream of reporting we know team trump mounted a coordinated effort to disrupt one of the central pillars of our political system. the peaceful transfer of power. they put intense pressure on officials all over the country at the federal, state, and local levels to try and secure a second trump term. the latest revelation that trump's lawyer rudy guiliani reportedly asked a michigan prosecutor to seize voting machines and hand them over to the trump campaign. from "the washington post," antrim county, michigan prosecutor said in an interview guiliani and several colleagues made the requests during a telephone call after the county

initially misreported its election results. rosseter said he declined. i said i can't just give them here. we don't have that magical power to just demand things as prosecutors. you need probable cause. here's this. breaking in just the last hour from "the washington post," a request from the national archives for the justice department to investigate the former president's handling of records from his administration. from "the post" the referral from the national archives came amid recent revelations that officials recovered 15 boxes from materials from the former president's mar-a-lago residence that weren't handed back in to the government as they should have been, and that trump had turned over other white house records that had been torn up. archives officials suspected trump had possibly violated laws concerning the handling of government documents, including those that might be considered classified. and reached out to the justice department. and that is where we begin today. the congressional correspondent

for "the washington post" is here, by lined on both the guiliani reporting and the story about the national archives. also the moderator of pbs's "washington week" and msnbc contributor and former republican congressman david jolly, national chairman of the serve america movement also an msnbc contributor. it is good to see you all. jackie, i want to start with you. you have been very busy today, my friend. this step from the national archives, how significant is it? >> yes, thanks so much for having me on to talk about our reporting. it is fairly significant although i think there was a lot of predictions based on some of the reporting we had done and the lead up this week. we did confirm and were the first to report the national archives did ask the justice department to examine the former president's handling of white house records. we reported on monday that 15 boxes of presidential records including mementos, gifts, and other various items were

transferred just last month from mar-a-lago to the archives. that is an entire year basically after those items were supposed to have been turned over to the archives during the presidential transition. now there are ongoing discussions at the doj although they are preliminary about whether or not federal law enforcement officials are going to investigate the former president for a possible crime further. there are a number of different potential investigative avenues here. we still haven't gotten total clarity on ta. i don't think the doj has gotten that either. we don't know the entire contents of the 15 boxes and trump advisers have said more might be coming that they are going to hand over to the archives. there are potential issues with one mishandling classified information, which obviously we are all well acquainted with after hillary -- after an investigation was sparked into hillary clinton's e-mails for that issue and then, also, the issue of the theft of federal

property or documents that includes presidential records and potential gifts. i recommend you reading through our entire story thoroughly. we have really juicy details from my colleagues ashley parker and two other colleagues and i what trump maybe took to mar-a-lago that he shouldn't have. >> you mean like extra -- not extra napkins from the white house that ended up in his moving van. this was significant. these were documents. we have known for years trump has mishandled records. that is not new. walk us through the pattern, what it is we know he has done in the past and how it might apply to this story. >> what is fascinating about this is what you said, which is that we know, we've known for a while that former president trump was someone who didn't want to use computers, who didn't want to have the white house visitor logs public, who didn't want to have a lot of his communications be written down on paper. if you listen to the people closest to former president trump, they in some ways will tell you that this is part of

what his strategy is. in some ways he understands what he is often telling people is problematic. look no further than michael cohen who testified before congress to say the president essentially knew how to tell people things without actually saying things in a direct way but also that he didn't want to leave a paper trail. that of course is extra problematic when you think about the fact he was the president of the united states. it has been reported and is clear that the white house chief of staff was operating on a personal e-mail account. when you think of the different images and messages that he might have been receiving on january 6th nan the days after you have to realize that there are some text messages of course that we have but could be a whole treasure trove of other e-mails that are part of his personal e-mail account that we have not seen. it is very interesting and also i think in some ways underscores what democrats have been saying, which is that there needed to be a real look, hard look into the way that former president trump

was documenting what he was doing during the white house but also there really needed to be an investigation to look at whether or not the documents were handled properly. >> right. to say nothing of the documents that he shredded and then aides had to actually take scotch tape and put back together. it looks like this issue now is in the hands of the doj. what are prosecutors thinking about right now, david? >> well, look. it is easy to think of presidential records as being benign and i'm sure many of the records are benign but consider this is a president twice impeached for malfeasance and maladministration within office and also somebody who is under criminal investigation in multiple jurisdictions. so there certainly could be evidentiary information that is relevant not just to investigations, fact finding investigations of the congress, but to criminal investigations and investigations that might relate to behaviors not yet identified. i would also say in a very real way in terms of hour national

security posture, there are very likely national security documents that despite having certain classified protections we're also prone to being torn up. i mean, there are staff members who have acknowledged those responsible for having to remove national security documents that he did this when it came to national security measures as well. so it is important from a fact finding perspective and important for posterity if you will but also important because of the uniqueness of this president who was twice impeached and is now under criminal investigation. >> jackie, this would be a huge story on its own. you have another story happening side by side. your reporting about guiliani and the trump legal team. what can you tell us about this call to a michigan prosecutor? >> yes, and the credit, the heavy lifting goes to my colleagues emma brown and john train who have been working tirelessly on this story. rudy guiliani and other legal advisers to the former president explicitly asked a former

prosecutor in antrim, michigan to get ahold of the county voting machines and pass them to trump's team after this investigation was flagged to the former president's team by some local, again, prosecutors in antrim county. it is a fairly shocking development. the antrim county prosecutor went on the record in an interview to say guiliani and his colleagues made this request during a phone call after the county misreported their election results. the inaccurate tallies had showed that joe biden appeared to have beaten trump by 3,000 votes in a county that is usually very red, a republican stronghold, and it was soon found to be an error in antrim county but spawned a litany of conspiracy theories, hence the involvement of the former president's outside legal circle. >> so, jackie, understanding this reporting is very fresh do we know if the january 6 select committee is looking into this?

>> that is a very good question. it's not something we have been in touch with the committee spokesperson on just yet but we do know that they've conducted over 400 interviews and have conducted some of their depositions and interviews with people who were involved with this effort, so it is likely that they might have some sense of what was going on. we also know some of our investigative work has been a few steps ahead of where the committee is at so far. so tbd. >> so jackie calls this shocking. it is important to be reminded this is shocking even in the midst of everything that the former administration did. how important was this idea that there was fraud in this specific county to the big lie and trump's whole effort to stop the election from being certified? >> it really exemplifies if this happened, sort of the pressure campaign that former president trump was engaged in. i remember in november rushing to the white house, because

there were michigan officials who had been summoned by former president trump to come into the white house and of course we don't know exactly what the president said to those officials but it was an example of the president, of course after it was cleared that he had lost the election, the president again sort of trying to make sure that he was making it very clear to local officials that he wanted them to do everything that they could to try to make sure that he could hold on to power. i also think while we don't know specifically whether the january 6 committee is looking into this specific event, what we do know is there is a gold team, because there is a color coded team in the investigation, the gold team is looking specifically at whether any plans former president trump had with members of congress or pressure campaigns that he tried to carry out with local officials and with any sort of justice department officials. so it is in their purview they would be looking at local officials and local sort of -- local attempts to try to get voting machines or to try to find 11,000 votes and the former

president told the officials in georgia to do, so i think this really does in some ways get at the idea this was not sort of a, him just tweeting. this was him really looking at different states and saying, how can i extract power from these different states? >> david, it goes without saying. it should go without saying that a campaign asking a prosecutor to seize voting machines with no evidence of wrongdoing is both incredibly inappropriate and incredibly unusual and, yet, somehow just a part of their playbook. >> yeah, look. it is easy to think of january 6th as this event that just kind of happened and then spun out of control. january 6th was the culmination of a very serious attempt to undermine the certification of a free and fair election and to engage in what is rightly called

an attempted authoritarian coup. that is submitting false electors to washington, d.c. to certify donald trump and not joe biden and ultimately unleashing the violence we saw on january 6th. all of this reporting that continues to come out actually supports this was a very complex attempt at a coup that involved multiple elements and this is where not only the emphasis of the january 6 commission in congress is so important but the investigative authority of the attorney general himself >> i want to turn to what is happening with the republican party and this rnc resolution. "the washington post" reports that former president donald trump called rnc chairwoman rona mcdaniel on saturday to congratulate on the resolution. so the resolution seems to have put basically every republican in congress in a pretty uncomfortable spot. you have kevin mccarthy literally running from a reporter. i guess he decided he couldn't out run garrett haake. he is very tall. meanwhile the former president is happy and calling the head of the rnc to congratulate her.

as we return to this question we turn to over and over again about the former president's grip on the gop, what does this dynamic show us? >> what this dynamic shows us is that former president trump continues to have a tightened grip on the gop. he is now convinced the republican national committee to call what was clearly an insurrection, clearly an attack on our capitol, legitimate political discourse. and you now have elected officials, republicans who are -- there aren't that many of them but few and far between, lindsey graham, senator mcconnell, who are at least saying, okay. this has gone too far. to me it crystalizes that the trump view of january 6 is the one that the rnc and the republican party is by and large embracing. it also is fascinating because this is happening when we see some polls showing there are some people who are now starting to blame former president trump less for the january 6 capitol attack where of course he was

the one who told people to go to the capitol. of course, the trump administration, the trump officials say oh, they wanted him, people to go peacefully. that being said, i think this really underscores a rift in the gop but the power, the sort of ability to affect the official rhetoric of the party, that continues to be in the hands of former president trump. i also am very interested, though, in the fact there was a little bit of changing of language here according to the "new york times." >> yes. >> at one point before they were going to use legitimate they were going to use nonviolent. it makes your head spin because you are thinking how do you -- would you ever describe this as nonviolent when people literally died at this capitol attack? >> right. it was supposed to say nonviolent and legal and then they decided to make it legitimate. i mean, was that because they knew that the split screen of our reading the censure and saying, they're calling it nonviolent while we showed all of the images of violence

wouldn't sit well with voters? or was it that they wanted to make the case that this was in fact legitimate? what does the word switch tell you? >> i do think they were sensitive to trying to win the day with their narrative. and here is the great lie the republicans are engaged in right now. in politics some of the greatest deceptions include a kernel of truth. the kernel of truth is across america there were disenchanted voters from november who were engaged in legitimate political discourse. that was not the face of the january 6 violent insurrection where the u.s. senate was breached, people were looking to hang the vice president of the united states, the certification of the election was delayed, and it resulted in multiple deaths. what the rnc -- this is the big lie they're going to do -- they are going to convince you this was legitimate political discourse, but there is a disconnect there because what they are suggesting is the j 6 committee is investigating legitimate political discourse.

no they are not. they are not investigating nonviolent participants in our political process. they are investigating those who engaged in violence. to suggest that somehow kinzinger and cheney are attacking americans engaged in legitimate political discourse is the great deception that includes only a kernel of truth. it is a shameful moment for the republican party and those like mccarthy and others who are going to continue to perpetuate this deception now through november. >> when you think about the numbers that were referenced and i think we have them, a pew poll out this week showing that just 43% of people think trump bears a lot of responsibility for january 6th. that is down from 52% last year. i think the analysis of that stands, what i wonder looking at those numbers, jackie, is we know part of the trump strategy has been to continue to push back those public hearings we are waiting on from the january 6th committee. when you talk to members of the

committee, to their spokes people, is it your sense that they believe that once they start having witnesses in the seat where people are able to hear directly from people who were in these rooms, that once they are showing those text messages on screen, those documents, those pieces of paper that were taped together, that all of a sudden the american people are going to begin to reconsider who was truly responsible for what happened? >> yes, i promise you i'll answer that question but on the topic of political discourse really quick i think it is important to make the point that regardless of whether or not the word nonviolent was in there, for what happened around january 6 in the lead up to january 6 and the actual violence on january 6 i think that there are some questions about the distinctions there. you know, whether -- of course the violence was -- is to be condemned and that is the clarification we heard the rnc later make. these actions that were taken

around january 6th that encouraged the insurrectionists to actually go and breach the capitol, that is by the count of most legal scholars un-constitutional actions. it has been viewed as extremely problematic and detrimental to the health of our democracy. so i think, you know, this word of whether or not the word nonviolent was included, i think, you know, this is a stamp of clear approval that all of the actions and the scheming and the legal coordination and the attempts to un-constitutionally overturn the results of the election, that this is a clear mark from trump and the rnc that they viewed this all as legitimate. as for the tactics and the approach that the hearing is taking, that the committee is taking toward these hearings, they view them as really important. we have reported recently that the timeline has been pushed back because of the delays as you noted that have happened in

the courts. but i think it is still important to point out that actually the courts, compared to the past few investigations we've seen, the mueller investigation, ukraine, and the last two impeachments, this has -- the courts have acted remarkably fast. the courts have i think seemingly wised up to the former president's approach and tactics and they've moved fairly quickly at least when we are talking about when it comes to, you know, things that are being extensively litigated. so, yes. things have been pushed back. but i think the committee is largely on track and there is a keen awareness that they don't really have the option of not being on track in the case the democrats end up losing the majority in november. >> thank you so much for starting us off. david jolly, you are staying with us. when we come back, more and more democratic governors are saying it's time to lift mask mandates. new york today just the latest in a long list of states to do so. the public seems to agree. the white house and the cdc continuing to tread cautiously.

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we have breaking news out of the january 6 select committee. just moments ago the panel issued a subpoena to former trump trade adviser peter

navarro a key insider in the campaign by the former president and his allies to overturn the election and secure a second trump term. in a statement the committee says, quote, mr. navarro appears to have information directly relevant to the select committee's investigation into the causes of the january 6 attack on the capitol. he hasn't been shy about his role and efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election and has even discussed the former president's support for those plans. more than 500 witnesses have provided information in our investigation and we expect mr. navarro to do so as well. the committee goes on to cite what navarro dubbed the, quote, green bay sweep a plan concocted by him and steve bannon to get republican congressmen to delay and ultimately stop the vertification of joe biden's electoral college win. my guests are all back with me. what is it that the committee expects they can get from peter navarro? >> it is a great question.

peter navarro was someone very close to former president trump and even i was reading part of the subpoena, and really making connections to the fact peter navarro also wrote a book where he essentially detailed the idea there was a real push to try to overturn the election so he could have ideas on whose ideas were rising to the top. there were so many ideas through the white house on how to help former president trump falsely and essentially illegally hold on to power since he lost the election. he also had someone close to the president so he can speak to his state of mind. he can speak to his intent. he can speak to possibly who was in the room. who were the people sort of leading the charge. i also think it would be interesting to see whether peter navarro, what his proximity was to former president trump during january 6th i.e. during the violence, 187 minutes that the chairman has always talked about being the sort of black box inside the white house that being the time between when former president trump essentially learned of the attack and when something was actually done to try to stop the

attack on a federal level. there are a lot of things the committee could be looking at for peter navarro but the chief thing is people should really consider the fact peter navarro was someone close to the president who was in key meetings and at the white house during all of this happening. >> and jackie, to this one line from the committee, haven't been shy about his role in efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. he has not been quiet about this. he has been out there talking about this. they specifically reference believing he has documents and information that are relevant to the select committee's investigation. what could those documents and that information be? >> yes, in his new book and in an interview with "rolling stone" he laid out all of the plans that they had and that they were discussing inside the white house and outside the white house to overturn the results of the election, the so-called green bay sweep. i think the committee is hoping he has more documents illuminating some of the planning around that and who

exactly he was reaching out to from a very local level all the way to the top at the oval office to see just how far in the main channels of the administration this went and to review really quick this green bay sweep was it was planned and navarro has described it extensively in public. it would be a 24-hour spectacle most likely which televised and after which the results of the election would be declared in dispute so congress would revert to a fallback where the house would have to pick the new president with one vote per congressional delegation at least as outlined in the plan. navarro had sort of decided that with republicans holding the majority of congressional delegations they would then likely win and achieve their goal of overturning the results

of the election. that obviously didn't work but navarro has bragged about having the support of at least 100 republican lawmakers in the house, support in the states, and the support of the former president. i think that the committee is going to want to see what else exactly he has to speak to there and who else was on board. >> joining our conversation msnbc chief legal correspondent and host of "the beat" ari melber. your thoughts on this breaking news? >> it's a big deal. when we last interviewed peter navarro on "the beat" we discussed these issues some of which you have referred to with your guests that mr. navarro is open in admitting confessing if you will in trying to overthrow the election, what they called the sweep, to coordinate that with members of congress. it relates and overlaps with the fraudulent electors plot which also may involve crimes of forgery. when i spoke to him he said at that time he had not heard from the committee. we asked because we wondered given the nature of his admissions in the book and

interviews, etcetera, whether they would want to talk to him. now we get that development. you widen out on what you see is that the committee began looking most clearly and specifically at the events of that day, tactical storming of the capitol, and what, if anything, the administration knew or intended about that storming has now broadened into something that has multiple parts. it's not for us yet, i don't think we know yet exactly where the levels of coordination all overlapped or not. but it certainly is striking that this fraudulent electors plot that many investigators state and federal say could be a crime overlaps with the so-called sweep. the bottom line was take an election that was lawfully won, certified by secretaries of state, and try to use these measures, what mr. navarro insisted was, quote, lawful. the committee and other investigations may ultimately determine that but to use those to instill enough doubt. hopefully they wanted through mike pence of course who recently spoke out to create doubt, to wake up on january 7th and not have it be established

who the winner of the election was because it wouldn't have been in their plan formally certified yet and to take that out to the 20th and interfere with the transfer of power. we are in the neighborhood of potential coups with an individual who says he basically would do a thing. he calls it a sweep. other people would define it as a coup. he would do that thing lawfully and he just didn't pull it off. so i think it is a significant investigation development. >> you referenced your interview with navarro and we have a piece of that. >> if the votes were sent back to those battleground states and looked at again that there would be enough concern amongst the legislatures that most would decertify the election and throw it to the house of representatives. all of this, again, was in the lanes legally. it was prescribed by the constitution. there is a provision to go

rather than through the electoral college to the house of representatives. and all that was required was peace and calm on capitol hill. >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. i totally reject many of your premises there. >> ari, he was willing to walk you through it on national television. why not do the same for the select committee? >> that is a great question you pose and, indeed, the select committee makes that reference reading from page two they say because you've discussed this in interviews with reporters referring to the green bay sweep and those attempted plans, quote, we look forward to discussing them with you. i'm quoting chairman thompson. i think your question gets to the heart of something the committee wants to know and the general public may care about, which is, i will be the first to say there are some people who have legitimate claims to privilege. lawyers, chief of staff with

regard to legitimate executive privilege. now, plotting a coup or crime is not privileged but some discussions with the president are. i don't care who the president is. mr. navarro does not appear to be in that lane. he said to me in that interview this was all about january 6th. this was all about a plan to overthrow the election. his stated public confessed goal was to override the election and keep the loser of the election in power. and so he doesn't have privilege nor does he have any other apparent shyness about discussing this. and so the committee is calling that out at this late stage. i say late because so many other subpoenas have gone out for others. but it would seem to be from what we can tell and the committee cites, his public statements, a response in part to him raising his hand and saying, hey. there's more about this plot than people realize. you know, we look at words in the news, but words and jargon matter less than action and evidence. it won't matter to investigators whether you call it a sweep or a

coup. what will matter is whether there is evidence that this overlaps with potential crimes be they in the capitol or in the states where there may have been fraudulent or forged electors or any other abuse of government power to interfere with or hinder a law. the last phrase i said has already been invoked in federal prosecutions of some of the people who were on site that day. so it's not for me to prejudge whether mr. navarro crossed that line or not but he certainly handed a lot of public evidence out to the committee and to investigators. >> when he talks to investigators it won't be relevant whether he rejects their premise. i want to ask you, among the things navarro bragged about was the idea that he had the former president on board with his strategy as well as more than 100 members of congress. as the january 6th committee zooms in on navarro what does that piece tell you? >> to me, that is this -- the whole ball game. this is the j 6 committee ready to go to a whole new chapter and

perhaps blow the investigation wide open. we know peter navarro had direct access to the president, can speak to his state of mind, perhaps, even his consciousness of guilt if we want to use that term. we also know that he was the clearing house for a lot of these strategies for defrauding the american people from the free and fair election. but it is what you just said. he has also bragged that they had an -- had over 100 members of congress ready to participate in this coup. and so while peter navarro might seem to be someone that can testify about the president the j 6 committee is about to learn who among their peers was now involved in this. now, will peter navarro give those names? i think it's obvious he is a fairly undisciplined interviewe and is willing to tell you what he did. if he begins naming names because he has a cavalier attitude that somehow they were engaged in something wrong the american people now might begin to identify which sitting members of congress were involved in this coup and advance. >> if you were one of those more

than 100 members of congress navarro claims was onboard with this plan how nervous are you right now? >> it's a great question. i think that the question of this committee has always been sort of what is going to be if at all the consequences for lawmakers who might have been engaged in possibly illegal activities possibly trying to overthrow the government? it really is one of those questions that, yes. worst case scenario for these lawmakers you should be very nervous because you might be actually looking toward potential criminal consequences, but when i talk to people at the white house, talk to sources, the sense is this is really about finding out what happened and having public hearings but it is not clear whether lawmakers will have to face the consequences that you might imagine they would face if this really was an attempted coup and a proven coup, a criminal investigation rather.

>> i think about the fact that navarro answered pretty much all of your questions but i imagine you my recovering lawyer friend still had many more. if you are this committee, where do you begin? what are the primary questions you want to have him answer? >> well, one question is of course when did you find out about the signs or evidence there could be violence on the 6th? he worked closely with mr. bannon, talked about how it was going to be a wild day, moving fast. political speech is widely protected. you can use rhetoric. it is different if you were at a meeting the night before with some of the folks indicted. let's not forget there is an open sedition conspiracy indictment on the table for some of these individuals. question one is did you have any advanced knowledge of that kind of planned violence? question two is did your so-called sweep also involve the use of these fraudulent

electors? forgery is a crime. i know that from people signing anything at the bank, anything at the house, you can't lie to the government on paper. you can lie on tv by the way. you can lie in public. as soon as you get into a government forum, the congress, anything like that, you're into forgery and more and worse. so was any of that intersected? i think number three you want to know who else was specifically involved in this inside the white house. the members of congress i think is a great question and a serious one but most of them would be able to lawfully claim that anything they're doing is part of their duties and if they want to vote down a certification for no reason or a bad reason that is still within their voting power. very different if you're at the white house or doj or dhs and you're meeting with navarro or these lawyers about abusing government power and property to hold on, to keep in power. so those are some questions here off the top of the head. this is breaking news, so if you gave me more time i'd think of more maybe. >> if only you had a show at 6:00 p.m. eastern where you would get to put all of your

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then massachusetts, the governor says the mask mandate for schools will end in a few weeks. this follows connecticut, delaware, new jersey, and oregon earlier this week. joining us now msnbc public health analyst, the founding director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university, and eugene daniels white house reporter and coauthor of politico's playbook. governor hochul and other governors have cited dropping cases and rising vaccination rates. cases are down 63% in the last two weeks but still more than 240,000 new cases per day. 64.2% of the country fully vaccinated. what do you make of states dropping indoor mask mandates? >> thanks for asking me. here is the problem that we have the actual data, number of cases, number of hospitalizations, etcetera, and the number of cases is dramatically dropping but we still have over 111,000 people hospitalized and the numbers,

the data is actually very different from one state to another. new york, rhode island, some of the northeastern states are doing fine. alabama, tennessee, northern florida not doing so fine. yesterday we had over 3,000 people die in one day from covid. some of us are feeling uncomfortable that there is this rush to seccumb to public pressure which i totally understand. and of course this politics that is kind of infecting the whole discussion at a time when we really need to focus on the data and the science. i understand where the governors are going. i think it is a little too quick for my taste actually. >> governor hochul says she retains the flexibility to make adjustments based on the data. five states still have statewide indoor mask mandates with now announced plans to drop them. where do you see covid cases in the next few weeks and months? >> well, it has turned out that

predictions about where covid is going have almost universally turned out to be unreliable. >> very fair. >> i would say there is basically no reason to suspect that we're out of the woods yet completely. and so any new ruling, let's say, that says let's drop masks in general or in schools, should be mixed with a significant degree of caution. because anything could change at any time. there is a very wiley, dangerous virus. we don't know when or if we're going to get new variants that might be quite dangerous. so i think we have to be extremely cautious that all of the messages have to be loaded with caveats so people are not shocked if we have to revert back to masking again sometime soon for instance. >> eugene, what do you make of the politics informing the shift? >> i mean, there is so much happening, right? we've seen, and it's been for weeks, where you've seen democrats basically kind of throwing up their hands and

saying we're never going to get rid of covid, right? that is something that last year when president biden was talking about july 4th, having freedom from the virus, that the white house and the administration really thought that was possible. what we've seen and the doctor knows all too well is that it's probably not going to happen that boosters are going to be part of our life for a little while, that covid might be around for a little while. and they know that americans are not going to continue and have not continued to just be on board with all of the things we know actually do help and keep people safe. and so when you talk to folks in the white house and the administration and democrats they say it's okay to make these changes because now we have vaccines, boosters, the white house or the administration is not sending out free test kits to folks. so there is all these different tools in the tool box so to speak that they can change. however, they do have to be careful, right? i was just with my grandmother. she was in the hospital. she is doing okay now.

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we are seeing bills that will roll back the historic ease of voting that we all experienced in 2021.

and the protections that were enacted. the very laws we enacted led to the historic turnout in november. the bills this year are nothing short of dangerous and show that there's a deep chasm between some of the polished words and speeches we have heard and some of the legislation. but words matter, mr. speaker. dishonesty and misinformation continue to weaken and threaten our political system. we are hearing rumors of voter fraud, but i do not hear those same people questioning the results of the election that brought us a new president and new house members. >> it's 5:00 in new york. that was virginia delegate price last month exposing the pure ridiculousness of republicans in her state.

republicans who won in virginia this past december where we saw glenn youngkin win and take back control of the state's house delegates. yet now, it's the same party taking steps to undo those measures. the brennan center for justice out with the latest tally of those that limit voting access. quote, virginia leads the nation in new proposed prestricted voting legislation in 2022 with 34 pre-filed or introduced bills. 21 of these would repeal provisions of current state law that ensure access to mail voting, absentee voter list, drop box for the return of absentee ballots, and no excuse absentee voting. yesterday, we saw virginia house republicans block two measures. one of which would restore voting rights to convicted felons, virginia mercury called it quote, a major setback for voting rights advocates who have spent years to end virginia's

lifetime disenfranchisement policy for people convicted of felonies, which falls disproportionately on black communities. there we have it. the impact making it harder for minorities and those who vote democratic to cast their ballots. in keeping with voting laws passed last year, state -- would impact voters of color. they mean black people. the center's latest data shows as clear acceleration in efforts to suppress the vote. quote, legislators in 27 states have introduced 250 bills with restrictive provisions compared to 75 such bills in 74 states a year before. carryover bills are set aside to focus on new legislative activity, the increase in bills is still stark. 96 bills would make it harder to

vote in 12 states compared to 69 such bills in 23 states. a 39% increase. unending fight to protect the right to vote is where we start this hour. ali, dr. christina greer at fordham university and virginia delegate, marcia price, from the hampton area, which is where i was born. thank you for coming on the show today. delegate price, i'm going to start with you. what the heck is happening? just tell us what it's been like in virginia, which has been a purple, blue trending state for the last couple of years. you have glenn youngkin get into office claiming he's the nice basketball playing suburban kind of click bait on netflix. i'm a suburban guy, not a harsh republican, then we see this flood of bills. what has it been like to see this kind of change? >> yeah, i think the new motto

that we have is it's disappointing but not surprising when all of the progress that we're seeing is, they're trying to roll it back. but you're exactly right. what i said on the floor is absolutely true. they're giving speeches on this and let's have unity and diversity, but the legislation that they are putting forward does anything but and it actually repeals everything that led to the historic turnout on both sides in the 2021 election, but what we're also seeing is the stone wall that we have the brick wall in the senate democrats with the slimmest of majorities still do have that majority and they are killing those bills and the privileges and elections committee. so but for that slim majority, we would be texas and georgia as well. >> from the hill newspaper, we have new information that virginia lawmakers have struck down same-sex marriage, voting rights proposal and quote from an abc affiliate in richmond,

despite high democratic turnout, youngkin outperformed trump. more votes were cast in last year's virginia's governor's race than any other in history. highest percentage since '93. dr. greer, i'll start with you. these high turnout numbers were due to the fact people had access to the ballot. why would the republicans be so dedicated to overturning the very laws that allow them to achieve a victory in a state that had been trending against them for the last 20 years? >> it seems counterintuitive, but we know that republicans have been playing a long-term strategy so they're more than happy to cut off voting rights because they think in certain places they know disproportionately affect voters of color who tend to vote for the democratic party. so they also are hoping that

when they get power, they can take away so many rights and privileges of democratic voters, read voters of color, that they'll essentially remove them from the political process for years to come. and so as delegate price put, it many way, governor youngkin is worse than trump because he does what the president wanted to do, but in a legislative way and with a fleece vest on, which makes a lot of republicans who didn't want to necessarily cast themselves with a blatant white supremacist and white nationalist, but they can do so feeling better about themselves for supporting governor youngkin and these draconian policies he's practicing in the state of virginia. >> so what you're telling me in order to not look racist, all you need is a plaid shirt and patgonia vest. thank you. >> it's a fleece, jason. and by the way, don't think i missed -- i'm one of your favorite people, too, by the

way. >> most definitely, dr. greer. the republicans are making the same argument in virginia that they make around the country, which is this is about election integrity. making sure the votes aren't stolen, but their own reports have shown you didn't have any massive voter fraud. any issues with ballots being stolen. issues with people running into senior citizen homes and changing their registration from republican to democrat. who do you think they're making this argument for at this point because it's not based on facts and the voters would vote for them regardless. >> it's so white people can feel more comfortable with the racism that they are sometimes explicitly supporting. the republicans aren't making the same arguments. the republicans aren't making the same arguments that like john c. calhoun and jefferson davis made. white people seem to think you need to be willing to murder a freedom writer in order to be racist against black people

voting. you don't. all you have to do is be unwilling to enforce the 15th amendment. there is one constitutional provision that saves this country from the apartheid state that it was founded upon and that was the 15th amendment that grants suffrage regardless of race. then eventually the 19th amendment, which grants suffrage regardless of sex, then eventually after those came together, sometime later, black women also were included in suffrage in this country. if you don't support those two amendments, then you don't support equality, period, and right now, white people, white republicans, do not support and will not enforce those two amendments and that's why we are where we are. >> delegate price, i'm curious about this. one of the concerns that people have after they had last year's election is concerns about

gerrymandering, about affecting the state population, moving ballot boxes, et cetera. what is the status of virginia and those areas now? are you concerned, obviously we're concerned about ballot boxes being moved, but are there any notable debates about how the districts in this state have been cut up and is that a concern heading forward? >> yes, so we, unfortunately, passed a constitutional amendment last year. so there was a commission that was called bipartisan, but it was deadlocked so the decision of the commission ended up going to the virginia supreme court where special masters drew the maps and they actually drew the maps toward partisan equity instead of the reflecting the actual blueness of the state and the trends toward the state. so there's that. and then on the legislative front, there are bills that will pass the house tomorrow that are up for vote tomorrow that roll back a lot of those measures that you saw that made it easier to vote in virginia.

we went from the 38th state to the 12th state because the things we were putting in place and drop boxes are there. so i think it's really important just as was said, to see not just individual bills. not just to talk about photo id and whether or not it's easy, but to look at all of this as part of a national, strategic playbook that virginia republicans are not refusing to be a part of. they're completely bought in on trying this and so it's really important that when people talk about what's happening across the nation, that they include virginia and unfortunately, some of those trends. >> again, it's amazing to see all of this despite the fact that the republicans won. they still want to engage in these behaviors. it may not be the best way, but that's all they know. i want to go to washington. want to take this to you, elie, a recent piece you wrote in the nation. you talk about the fact that the redistricting we saw in the state of alabama has been absolutely ridiculous. absolutely repressive. the supreme court pretty much

backed it. i want to quote you here then have you give us the full detail. i cannot name a map too racist for the conservatives on the supreme court because it has effectively said it will do nothing to stop any maps no matter how racist they might be. i cannot name a voter suppression tactic too racist for conservatives because they have just determined we are too close to an election for anything to be done. this is not like jim crow. this is what the courts in the jim crow era did. when we see what happened in alabama and for people to understand the districts they crammed together, absolutely ridiculous. what hope is there across the country to battle the kind of gerrymandering we're seeing by republicans? >> if we are in the number of the 2022 election, which is what brett cavanaugh that we were yesterday, then there is no hope, right? and remember, these are the same people who put amy coney barrett on the court after the election to replace the person who

appointed her. but now if we're too close to an election to stop racism from happening in our voting booths, then i don't know how to stop it. understand, alabama put forth its racist redistricting map in, on october 25th, 2021, after the 2020 census. they were sued by november 15th, 2021. so they were sued at fast as possible and they lost as fast as possible, but then the supreme court reinstated the race saying they were too close to the election. folks, that's a rap. if we're now too close to the election to overturn racist laws because it would confuse people before 2022, what the court is essentially saying is that every state, not just alabama, every state, gets one midterm election that's as racist as possible for free before the court will even look to see if the 15th amendment should be applied against them.

that, when i say this is jim crow, again, people need to understand all the jim crow era supreme court did was pretend the 15th amendment didn't exist. just put some whiteout over the amendment we fought a war over. the the court doesn't have to invent new racist strategies. the states are more than capable of figuring it out themselves. they can figure that out for themselves so the court doesn't have to show them the way. they have to allow them to walk the path. and that's what this supreme court is doing. just like the plessy v. ferguson court. it's the same court that just happens again and again throughout history and we are now living with it once more. >> dr. greer, i am occasional accused of being a pessimist or cynic so i'm turning to you. from a campaign strategy standpoint, what are the chances for african american candidates,

democratic candidates this fall if this is now as elie is pointing out, the law of the land? i know you've got people organizing in alabama. for val demings in florida. for wisconsin and warnock in georgia. is there a strategic way to battle the kind of gerrymandering and voter suppression we're seeing become the law of the land? >> not in the institutional sense that was laid out. i don't think that that's necessarily you know just doing business as usual. we should just have turnout, turnout, turnout. what i've always said is that white people need to speak to their relatives and so if you are a democrat and you're patting yourself on the back for voting for obama twice and you would have voted for him a third time or you love stacy abrams and warnock. it's not enough to say everybody in my family voted for x. you need to sit your family members down and explain to them the threat that the republican

party faces to american democracy. it's not even about just supporting the democratic party blindly. walk them through the white nationalist road we are on with this particular party. walk them through the inability for republicans to see any bipartisanship. we are in deadlock when it comes to understanding small d democratic principles. so at a certain point in time, the chrissys and jasons can't articulate enough to people. it has to be white people talking to their republican relatives to explain to them the threat we place because even if it's not in your state today, this is not just about southern states. this is a multi-pronged, 50-state strategy for republicans they've been working on and will continue to work on until they take our ovaries, voting rights, our clean air and drinking water and you name it and they'll do it in just a fashion that we see that they're

more than willing to take this entire country off a financial cliff, environmental cliff, civil rights cliff, you name it and it's not, it's not individual anymore. people have to sort of put on their own boot straps and talk to their own family members. >> invite me over for dinner. >> and not one of these legislators will be accused of being racist unless they openly kill a civil rights activist in broad daylight. i want to bring this back to the concerns that legislators that brought forward. there was a letter from over 40 congressional black caucus members to merrick garland and they said while we applaud the litigation, we encourage and eck pecht you to exponentially increase your efforts to challenge unlawful and unconstitutional voter suppression wherever it occurs. our message is simple. be creative. relentless. unapologetic to do whatever it

takes to ensure every american has their vote counted. no lawsuit is too trivial when it comes to the voting rights of citizens. delegate price, the fact that the caucus has to do this during black history month to garland sort of demonstrates the bind african american legislators are in. who have you and fellow african american legislators in virginia, have you tried to make trips to washington, d.c.? have you talked to states attorneys? who are the people you have been able to go to and say, hey, this situation is dire or have you run into the same difficulties the cdc has run into with merrick garland? >> unfortunately, we are running into those same difficulties but one thing we did do and why elections do matter, in 2021, we passed the votes rights act of virginia because we knew we could not trust the federal

level. unfortunately those that say they stand for voting rights, we weren't seeing people step up in the ways we needed to. so there are some protections that we still have in virginia because of that voting rights act on the state level, but we echo the calls. we are in session right now so we can't get to d.c., but have been calling and just making sure that people understand that even those states, those like virginia that were called progressive last year, we're in the same exact place that we need to be beside our brothers and sisters in texas, in georgia, and so many other states. we need help on the federal level. and we need it now. and that's from all three branches of government and if we can't, if we can't, shall i say, i know i'll get in trouble for saying it, but if we can't depend on those that say they're with us, then don't come asking us for things. voting rights are fundamental and foundational to anything

else that we are talking about within our legislatures. we would not be able to fight for minimum wage raises, we're not going to be able to fight for the environment or any o these other issues if we lose the right to vote and access to democracy within the communities we're fighting for. so yes, step up. please, do your job because all of us are depending on that. >> thank you so much for starting us off this hour. when we return, as blue state governors ditch mask mandates, there's real concern among teachers who might not be ready, willing, or able to teach in classrooms without masks. we'll talk about those concerns and the real risk facing our nation's educators as we learn to live with covid, next. plus, with days to go before the super bowl, the nfl is under fire for an age old program. lack of black head coaches in a league whose players are nearly 70% black. and nicolle's interview with

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things on the covid front have changed drastically almost every day. over the last six weeks, we saw cases reach their highest points yet and recently, we've seen them plummet. now down to a still too high average of 240,000 new cases per day. in new york, the indoor mask or

vaxx mandate that began for businesses at the beginning of the omicron wave will be gone tomorrow. but the school mask mandate will stay in place. meanwhile, in just the last few days and hours, six democratic governors have announced their state governments will no longer force schools to require masks for students, teachers, and staff. so begins a new chapter in the pandemic about the risks and benefits of pretending to move forward to something more normal as covid continues to circulate. joining us now, randy weingarten and dr. bedilia, director of boston's center for emerging and infectious diseases. thank you so much for joining us. randi, i'll start with you. this has always been my concern. i am a faculty member. at morgan state university. going into the classroom is always a concern because you're dealing with multiple people. multiple vectors coming in from

all these different places. kids coming from home, school, jobs, neighborhoods, public transit. things like that. what are you hearing from teachers who are concerned about going into the classroom? are they feeling better now than they were a year ago or really, really concerned because we just got out of the omicron wave? >> so thank you for having me on and the bottom line is this. the teachers, both college professors like yourself or pre-k teachers or high school teachers like me, think about all that they have done. they've been heroes in trying to mcguyver their way through every aspect of this pandemic and dealing not just with the evolving science, but the evolving pandemic and trying to make it both safe and effective for kids to learn for them to teach. so 98% of the schools are open now and we've seen in the united states just like we saw in south korea south africa went right

through the population. still affecting the unvaccinated, but with testing and mask and people being boosted and vaccinated, we've gotten through the worst parts of it. now we're getting to this next stage of how do we long-term get the masks off. i asked the cdc in november, seeing this, i said look, none of us want masks. how do we safely, based upon science, not based upon politics, you know, what are the metrics so that we know how to plan and how to unmask and unfortunately what has happened instead is that the rates have gone down in terms of omicron and now it looks like because all these states have now in the last two days said okay, masks off. they're not really saying that. hochul has done a very good job here. she's basically saying get the

numbers down. get the vaccination numbers up and let's make sure that we're safe enough so that we can actually get the masks off, which frankly, all of us would love to do. >> i want to play this sound, actually, from governor hochul in new york then doctor, get your thoughts on the other side. >> this pandemic is not over. it is not over. that is why we're still going to maintain protections for vulnerable populations in areas where people are very concentrated because i want people to feel safe. there are vulnerabilities we need to continue to protect until further progress is made. >> when i think of vulnerable populations, i don't just think of kids and senior citizens. i think of a 19-year-old kid i met at a pizza place yesterday who graduated from high school who said look, i got to come to

work, sometimes people wear masks, i could get sick doing this job. where is the science on this? because we have passed omicron, is it really safe for these states to be dropping mask mandates? is it a political thing, science thin or money thing? >> i'll start by saying it's complicated, but i think randi and i are pretty aligned because i've heard her speak about the other places. three things, one, we're still in the middle of a pandemic and the cases right now are higher than they were at the peak of the delta wave, believe it or not, and the deaths are about 2500. today in most places in the country, if you want to take off the mask, the places that have mandates by the way, only ten states have mandates. in fact, of the 28 that starts off with them, many didn't put on a mask mandate in the middle of an omicron surge. i think those mandates would have helped reduce the number of cases we saw during omicron. now we're in the space where

things are still high, but what's happening is that in the future, you may get to a point where as the cases go down and we don't know where the trajectory is going, but you could foresee there might be a point in a month or few months when the cases are low enough when the conversation about i think having metrics that randi brought up are so important. when should we know, to your example of when you go in to teach in the classroom, you'd feel very differently if you went in now and people were unmasked compared to when you went in and masks were optional when there were ten cases to 100,000. related to that, because every community is different, every community is going to hit those metrics at a different point, what i like, what i've heard from the report the cdc is considering potentially out guidance based on these guidance reflected the fact we might be coming to a point where cases might be going down, where

vaccination rates would be going up. so for that 19-year-old, again, it's safer for the 19-year-old at a point where community transmission is low. where he himself is vaccinated and more people in his community are vaccinated and all of us continue to have, even if the mandates down the road go away, we need to have those resources. like the testing, the masking, and we need to have the understanding that when those metrics start climbing again, we have to have an agreement that that's when the mask mandates go back on or when more resources need to be put there. it's the agreement that we don't know what the futures hold. this is not the other side, but we need clear understanding of when government involvement is needed and individual risk is low. and everybody needs to put those masks on so we can reduce those cases and keep those hospitals from getting overwhelmed. >> see, that is the question i have. randi, i want to show this to you. a map of which governors have

masks in school and which don't. there may be you know, a new surge that happens sometime, i don't know, after spring break or something like that. when you hear from teachers in different states, are there teachers perhaps in states with low rates saying hey, we're going to side with certain parties in our state to get rid of these mandates because none of us like wearing them anymore or do you think the teachers have a universal attitude of concern going forward or do you think this is varying state by state when you've been talking to your teachers that are constituents? >> i really appreciate what the doctor said. it's not a one sized fits all situation. i was out in long island talking to our long island presidents on saturday. and that's kind of a hot bed of get the mask off. and what they were saying to me was 50% of their folks would like to masks off. 50% of their folks would like the masks on. this is the reason why we have to actually focus on this based

upon the science. i'm an asthmatic and i'm frankly hard of hearing. so it's been really hard to not read people's lips. i understand what kids are saying and what teachers are saying, but we have to, this is why the science becomes so important and why planning becomes so important. we want to be able, all of us, to get back to normal and do the work we need to do, but if we follow the science and have safety and welcoming well-being as our watch words, we're going to do okay just like what the teachers have done you know from the whole pandemic. but when it becomes politics, it becomes less about the science and less about safety and people stop trusting you. >> can i add one more thing? we fixate so much on masks because they've become such political hot beds, but we shouldn't even be talking about that. even if there's a period of time

states decide we're going to take the mandates off and during those periods of time while we remain in the pandemic period, we need to focus on getting good quality masks for people who will wear them. we need to all have access to testing and that we're staying ahead of things, like seeing where community transmissions are going with technologies like waste water. so it keeps us ahead of the curve to know when we should be taking those steps again. >> thank you so much for joining us today. up next, the commissioner of the nfl, one of the most powerful men in sports in the world forced to answer questions about the league's record of diversity among its head coaches. what he said after a quick break. head coaches. atwh he said after a quick break. power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we commicate to be more inclusive than ever.

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faced with incredible allegations among racism among nfl franchises, roger goodell and the team owners he represents are re-re-recommitting themselves to equality and progress. if you're familiar with the response to the colin kaepernick saga or others like it, that sentence might sound like a punch line. often feels as if the league views such race related controversies as pr crisis to be managed, not problems to be solved. goodell today in his pre-super bowl conference addressed the lawsuit by brian flores alleges

discrimination. allegations those teams in the league have denied. he also answered questions about broader concerns. here's what he had to say. >> we just have to do a better job. we have to look, is there anything thing that we can do to make sure we're attracting that best talent here and making our league inclusive. if i had the answer right now, i would give it to you. i think what we have to do is just continue and find and look and step back and say we're not doing a good enough job here. we need to find better solutions and better outcomes. >> al sharpton, also part of a group of leaders who met with goodell on monday. also with us, michael lee, sports enterprise reporter for "the washington post." michael, i'll start with you.

we've got to do better. to me, the guy has been commissioner since 2006, excuse me, i don't see any examples of things necessarily getting much better. >> yeah, a lot of these press conferences, they give you nothing. the nail's in a tough spot because he's speaking for 32 owners who no matter what he says, they have to be the ones to respond and so far, they've shown no willingness to do so. we've had a situation where just now brian flores had to file a class action lawsuit against the nfl to get them to move and of course they wound up hiring two coaches of color immediately after that. well, the 33 hires before that, only three were black. and all three of them were fired including brian flores. who at 41 years old, should be at the start of his career and he's already had success. he's had back-to-back winning seasons the first time this happened in miami in nearly 20

years and he got fired for winning and now you're asking him to play a charade and do sham interviews just to fill a quota for the rooney rule. he said i'm done. i'm not going to play this game and i think a lot more coaches need to do it. it's a tough spot. right now, goodell says a lot of nothing, but he's not the one we need to get answers from. we need to get answers from 32 owners who have for years, neglected, ignored and made it to where black cultures are underrepresented. >> rev, you were in the meeting with goodell and he was asked point-blank about the issue with nfl ownership. i want to play you some of this audio and get your thoughts on the other side. >> what's the league's plan to address bias, prejudice and racism among the nfl team owners? >> again, i think we've been very clear and i tried to say it up front. we won't tolerate racism. we won't tolerate discrimination. if there are policies that we

need to modify, we're going to do that. we will absolutely do it. if we've seen evidence of discrimination, we will deal with that in a very serious way. that would reflect the fact that we won't tolerate it. and i think our clubs understand that from all the discussions we've had. i believe it's part of their values. >> rev, i want to frame this. i want the audience to understand. there are 32 nfl owners. there's never been an african american owner despite fact that over 70% of players are african american and to be an nfl owner, to be an nfl owner, you have to probably have at least a billion dollars in the bank at any one time and even if you actually have the money, 26 out of the 32 owners have to vote to let you in. so rev, was roger goodell's answer in any way a roadmap of how things can improve in the nfl because it sounds to me he needed to address the structural

issues that have presented many african americans, many whom have had the opportunity, from buying a franchise. >> he did not address the structural issues. you need to deal with how you're going to address the structure. when brian flores filed this class action lawsuit and i talked with him and his attorney and i sent a letter to goodell asking him to meet with us. it was the urban league and derek johnson -- and i. i told goodell, i said, let me tell you something. yes, we march out front in front of stadiums, but that's not where we're going this time with national action network. the fact of the matter is, and michael is right. these owners make the decision. the fact of the matter is every one of these owners and their stadiums get public financing. some as high as 70 to 100%. we're going into these city councils and board of aldermans

to have people make motions that we will withdraw public funds until there's diversity. so you can figure out any time you want, if they start losing that kind of money, then they will figure it out because what they need to understand, bright blue jersey. i mean, you go around, there are many places around this country that the constituents of the city council members and the board of alderman would be outraged to know the kind of money being invested these people to practice institutional bias. we as taxpayers are going to subsidize your stadiums, the surrounding services and how kids can't be coaches and none of our kids can be owners, so we're going that track. i told goodell that. he said let's keep talking. we can talk, but you know, james brown was one of my mentors. we had a tune about that was titled like a dull night it just won't cut it, talking loud and

saying nothing. that's what they've been doing since 2003 so you've got to know hit them where they understand. they understand losing public money. they understand being hauled in in front of a city council and saying where's your diversity? the owners would have to do that. goodell could not appear for them because they're taking municipal and state dollars. >> reverend al sharpton and michael lee, thank you so much for spending some time with us. we'll continue this conversation even after the super bowl. when we return, nicolle's interview with peter strzok and what it took for him to survive the relentless attacks by the disgraced ex-president. that's next on deadline. y the dirasgced ex-president that's next on deadline.

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conversation you're going to want to see. nicolle may be out today, but she has a fascinating new interview streaming tonight on the choice on peacock. if she was here, she'd point you to it so i will, too. she recently sat down with former mueller investigator, peter strzok, who appears regularly on this program. they covered everything from the lasting damage done by the former president to the texting scandal that ended his career and made him a target for trump and his supporters. here he is discussing for the first time how he dealt with the fallout from the scandal. >> you were describe birthday i former colleagues as the best at

your job. how hard is it not to be in your job? >> it's hard. you know, i miss it. i think you know, it was -- i knew that you know, eventually, every agent's career comes to an end and without exception, people i worked with said you know, you will never find another job. when you move off from government service, you are never going to find a job quite like it was in the fbi. i loved the job. it was something that was challenging with amazing colleagues. for real important purpose. not only was it great, but you know, at the end of the day, you're doing all this wonderful work with amazing people for the american people and so you know, just in terms of the public service aspect of it, the mental challenge, it was astounding. it's hard, just out of spending 22 decades of working a job, but then particularly, you know, you see the challenges that we're facing now and of course you want still, i want to be in the

fight. and so it's hard. >> you didn't leave by your own choice. you left, you know, a scandal that was, i don't know that there's anything that happened that was more exploited by donald trump than the way that you left the fbi. left the fbi. does that -- is that sort of difficulty on top of difficulty? >> it is. i mean, look, without a question, leaving -- you know, being fired, being fired in the context of doj's illegal release of, you know, some private communications i had and having that just seized upon by the white house, by trump's allies in congress, by right wing media, and just played again and again and again, added a certain level of, you know, frankly trauma, but difficulty on top of this sort of pure just, i love the job. there is a lot of challenge still in front of us. i could be contributing to that. you have this entire, just,

swirl of nastiness that combines on top of that. and, yeah, it was tough. >> is it still tough? >> yeah, yeah. it is. i mean, it certainly has changed. you know, it's funny. the -- the fbi has training if you're going -- either deploying or doing work in hostile places overseas. and one of the things they do is, you know, they put you in a car and they teach you what to do if there's a road block and you drive through and hit cars on the trunk because it's lighter and not on the engine side and how to avoid deploying an air bag and what to do if there's an iud and ambush. one of the things they talk about, if you're in an ambush, on the map you think of being on the x. when your car drives over the spot, everything explodes. the one overwhelming thing, the one mission, the job is to get off the x. whatever you have to do, get off the x. and it felt like when this

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that does it for "deadline white house" on this wednesday. thanks for being with us. he's pushing facts and logic, "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> pushing facts, always pushing facts. hi, jason. i want to welcome you to "the beat" but we begin with breaking news. tonight we are tracking an escalation from the january 6th committee. this was breaking late today. it involves trump white house vet peter navarro, who is so vocal about trying to overthrow the election that many legal experts say he opened himself up