it's been quite a news day from the house subpoenaing peter navarro to a lot of developments on covid. thanks for spending time with us. we're out of time. "the reid out" with joy reid is with us. >> even though you're physically allowed to leave the studio. our folks are going to see you. you've done some pretty interesting interviews that we're going to replay. cheers on that. >> thank you, joy. >> have a good evening. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reid out" tonight in the halls of congress, hallowed, revered, sacred to some, but also historically pretty violent. back in the bad old days between 1830 and 1860 members of congress engaged in at least 80 acts of physical violence, something we know thanks to

historian joanne freeman. in the three decades before the civil war when debates about slavery dominated politics, you need i a body guard and a black did the belt in something, anything to survive. it was pretty wild. congressmen, back then they were all men, quote, routinely threatened each other with violence and often acted on it too. they brawled on the house floor. they faced off in duels. in 1859 an antislavery senator from massachusetts was beaten unconscious during a caning by a pro slavery south carolynian. a caning. fast forward to 2022. before you can say canes aren't a thing anymore, keep in mind metal detectors are. not too long ago rioters overtook to demand legislators were to be lynched. they brought a noose. congress has never been the safest place to work.

altercations are growing as the republican party continues to embrace thuggy behavior as its guiding light. we saw another heated exchange between congresswoman joyce beattie and hall rogers of kentucky. beattie ran into rogers outside of her congressional office. rogers was not wearing a mask when they entered the elevated. she asked rogers to put on his mask to which he grudgingly agreed. when they crossed paths again entering a train in the capitol complex the interaction turned hostile. beattie said she asked rogers to put his mask on and he poked me in the middle of my back and said, get on the train. beatty responded, don't you ever touch me. rogers replied, kiss my behind, he didn't say behind. in a video taken by her office she can be heard confronting him on the train. you can't see them right away

but just take a listen. >> i'm a member of congress like you and i'm a woman. you will not disrespect me. su picked the wrong woman for that. >> in case you couldn't hear that very well. she said, i'm a member of congress like you and i'm a woman. you will not disrespect me. you picked the wrong woman for that. less than two hours after all 56 members of the congressional black caucus stood on the steps of the house and demanded an apology. congressman hall rogers did just that. he tweeted this afternoon i met with representative beatty to personally apologize. and joining me now is congresswoman joyce beatty, chair of the congressional black woman's caucus. thank you so much for being here. i have to say when i saw that video when my producer sent it to me i thought to myself, that's every black mom, every black aunty, every black mother

of the church you inhabited and embodied that. he should have known when he was getting into you. he did try you. he did apologize. talk about the engagement between the two of you. did he call you? was it connected to the protest on your behalf by the entire cbc? >> first of all, thank you, joy, for inviting me here. yes, i think it was a culmination of a lot of things that, one, i had so i had to him face to face that i wanted an apology. i went to our sargeant at arms and leadership team and told them i was not going to stand for this. he was going to come to the house floor and apologize to me. later he had told several of his members, you know, i messed up. he came to the floor without a mask to tell me that he was apologizing and i said to the leadership, i'm not accepting this.

the congressional black caucus was very angry and as you mentioned, they went out on the capitol steps and demanded an apology. so then i told him as speaker pelosi has said many times, if you insult a high profile, then you have to give a high profile apology and that's when he went to the social media and to the networks and apologized. i've accepted the public apology because there's so much work for me to move on. i'm a leader. i'm not someone like what we're dealing with in this hyper partisan environment of not having real leader 147 on the other side of the aisle. >> i went into a deep dive on the history of violence even on the floor of congress. this is not something that's alien to the body, but it does definitely feel like it's gotten uglier in recent years. we had aoc -- >> absolutely. >> -- called the "b" word by a

fellow member of congress. we've had marjorie taylor greene scream at other members. menace other members. it's become a thing that people are doing. do you think it's materially different in congress now? do you think it has something to do with the politics in that other party? >> oh, i think definitely. it's different from when i first got there, which wasn't that long ago. i think now after the last presidential administration people follow their leadership. you saw what happened on january the 6th. i mean, that's unbelievable when we look back at history that we lived through that. it's unthinkable. and that's why it's important for us to stand up and to demand civility. and to respect the decorum of the house floor or the congress and it's unacceptable and it's also a form of being bullied. everyone who knows me, i'm not going to be bullied. >> yeah. >> the congressional black

caucus, i've never been more proud of them and our democratic leadership. >> and, you know, the other thing is that, you know, we're in an age now where you have members of congress who are refusing to go through the mags after you had the january 6th insurrection which every single senator were threatened, by people chanting hang mike pence, members of congress and they were hunting speaker pelosi. after that you would think there would be some agreement across the party lines that something material had to change, including in the rhetoric. it doesn't feel like even january 6th has changed anything. am i wrong there? >> no, you're absolutely correct. a lot of that is because the past president still tries to use his influence with some of those members. keep in mind, he didn't think there was anything wrong with january the 6th. did not think that the election of president biden should be

certified, and there's a big divide in the party of the republican party. we saw that just most recently with mcconnell and pence against what the current minority leader is saying. so they have a lot of issues in the party. they're very divided. >> yeah. you speak of the minority leader kevin mccarthy. i want to show him. a lot of people politically would say the rnc, republican national committee made a huge tactical error by going on the record and calling the insurrection legitimate political discourse. reporters started trying to ask kevin mccarthy. here was one instance of him attempting to avoid answering that question. >> let me ask you about the -- >> i have an appointment. >> do you feel like if he

becomes speaker he has the strength to alter the direction of the party or even would even want to? >> i don't think he has the leadership strength or skills and that's indicative of his behavior for last two years, four years. there's no sign of leadership. he has been as responsible for not passing the voting rights act, not wanting to certify the election that we all know that president joe biden won that election. when you look to how he controls his members, i mean, come on, they voted against for the most part the bipartisan infrastructure bill. this shows a lack of leadership when in some of those very districts of his members they're out with may jurors and governors touting the bipartisan infrastructure and it was their roads and bridges like ours that needs fixing. they have children who go to bed

hungry. they have children who need a better education but he doesn't lead and it's unthinkable that he would think he could be speaker and follow in the footsteps of a speaker nancy pelosi. >> you know, you talk about voting rights act. the numbers are horrific that targets people of color, young people, lots of different people. it's the anti-blackness that's at the top of it. talk a little bit about what can be done at that point. you had joe manchin and kyrsten sinema do a fix. are you concerned that this election will be impeded by the prevention of people being able to actually cast a ballot? >> oh, i'm very nervous about what's happening. as we look at redistricting, as we look at some of the opinions coming down from our highest court. i think we have to do a better job of educating and making our

citizens and constituents aware so they do come out to vote because there's so much voter suppression. when we allow people to vote, blacks individuals come out and individuals win. we elected president barack obama because people stood in line for 5 and 7 hours to cast that vote. the same thing happened for president joe biden. at the leadership, the rnc, they're wanting to keep the voter suppression out there so we don't vote. they have a very big divide with that right now. they're censuring liz cheney because she did what was right. joining that select committee and standing up for our democracy and they want to censure her? unthinkable. >> i know that you care a lot about the u.s. postal service, it's been part of your actiism

recently. >> yes. >> the alternative would be being able to vote by mail which lots and lots of voters of color took advantage of. are you concerned there hasn't been a big push to remove louis dujoy given he is in a position to delay the ability for the mail to get where it's going in the position he continues to hold? >> we, being the members of the congressional black caucus, had a special meeting last night. we're starting to meet during the late night evenings and that's one of the things that is on our agenda because it is the most sacred for any individual, but when you look at the disparities and you look at history, as you talked about, the history of the congress in relationship to physical actions, look at the history. we just celebrated the first black man to ever serve in the

house of representatives, joseph rainy. we're going to continue to look at the postal service, look at all the things that they're trying to do to voting rights because it will deter and not allow individuals to vote. whether that's shortening the periods, whether that's not having drop boxes, whether that's not leading us vote by mail. there's a long laundry list and we are looking at those things and you will see action from the congressional black caucus and from the democratic caucus. >> congresswoman joyce beatty, a leader, leader of the congressional black caucus. i would love to have you come back. you're a fountain of information. thank you so much. really appreciate your time. >> thank you so much. >> cheers. up next on "the reid out," new reporting that the national archives is asking the department of justice is asking them to look into president trump's handling of documents. what do the trucker protests have to do with our toxic

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okay. so we've got two big developments late today both relating to the investigations of donald trump and his presidency. nbc news has confirmed the explosive reporting from the washington post that the national archives has asked the justice department to examine trump's handling of white house records sparking discussions of federal law enforcement officials about whether they should investigate the former president of a possible crime. archives officials suspected trump had possibly violated laws concerning the handling of government documents including

those that might be considered classified. this comes after numerous reports revealed how trump mishandled official records ripping up and shredding documents in violation of the presidential records act. most notably we learned that the national archives recovered 15 boxes of white house materials that trump had wrongfully taken to mar-a-lago. among the documents that trump wrongfully took to the white house, this unforgettable gem, the path of hurricane dorian. guess he's still embarrassed by that one. the january 6th committee subpoenaed peter navorro, a former trade adviser who's better known these days for his efforts to steal the election. they called the green bay sweep which was intended to delay the certification process on january 6th until mike pence gave in to their demands. as part of that plan navorro offered several flashy memos chock full of bogus election

conspiracy theories claiming the election was stolen in six states that joe biden won. trump distributed those memos to every republican in congress and 147 of them later voted to decertify the results. navorro was also among the dye hard trump loyalists who discussed plans to overturn the election on the meeting on the eve of the insurrection. that is according to one attendee who said it included don and eric, michael flynn, the my pillow guy mike linden, rudy giuliani and cory lewandowski. in other words, navorro is one of the biggest proponent of trump's big lie. they were happy to em praise his unconstitutional ideas. let's not forget this is the guy who claimed after the insurrection that the impeachment was tantamount to violence. >> the democratic party did violence to this country by attacking a president who i

believe was legally elected on november 3rd. >> okay. with me now is glen kirshner, curt bardella. let me circle back to the national archives information, glen. you and i have talked about this before. it seems likely that the thing that will most likely result in accountability, legal accountability for trump will be something other than the insurrection which is kind of hard to wrap your mind around when you think about how unprecedented it is to try to overturn an election. but it seems to be other things that present him with more immediate legal jeopardy whether it's the tax evasion, messing with his insurance, leveraging the value of his properties or interfering with the georgia election. here we have a very nonpartisan entity, the national archives, which seems to kind of have trump dead to rights. your thoughts on this? >> yeah. it will be interesting to see which government agencies or institutions don't refer donald trump for criminal investigation at the end of the day.

but you know, the national archives story is a danger zone for trump in a couple of different ways. even though the presidential records act is largely toothless. it's 18 usc 2071 which provides for criminal penalties for the concealment, removal or mutilation of official records, not only is that a three-year federal felony but importantly, anybody who is convicted under that statute is prohibited from holding federal office. but here's the other danger zone. even if strictly speaking there is never a charge brought against donald trump for criminally removing presidential documents, it's part of a coverup and it's part of a conspiracy to basically commit crimes against the united states or defraud the united states. that charge was brought by bob muller against the russian internet research agency for trying to interfere in our free

and fair election. that's precisely what trump and his co-conspirators did in a domestic setting not based on a foreign attack. so the whole removal and concealment of records, you know, in isolation it might not give rise to a criminal charge but it may end up being an overact in furtherance of a larger conspiracy. >> you know, curt, what stood out to me in the reading of this report, this journalistic report is that the department of justice has been very reluctant to even hint that they even might be investigating donald trump for anything related to the insurrection and yet even though they officially didn't comment, this sort of idea that they may be investigating this because this is something that isn't tied to politics. it cannot possibly be tied to politics which feels like where they want to be in terms of their own sort of appetite for controversy. this is something that i'm old enough to remember hillary clinton getting an announcement pace somethingically from the --

you know, that she could be in trouble by comey. hey, she might have taken records home. hey, there might have been classified records. hey, but her emails. for consistency sake this seems like pretty fertile territory. >> yeah. yeah. it's interesting. i was talking about this on mary trump's podcast actually today and i'm going to take, for once, an optimistic view which is very rare for me in these times. if you are going after the former president of the united states, an unprecedented law enforcement action, something we have never seen before in this country. you have got to have him dead to rights and you don't show your hand until he's already in your sights and you have him. part of me is hoping beyond hope, joy, that that's what's happening right now with this justice department, that we aren't going to hear anything, see anything, get the slightest

leak of anything until they're basically taking him away in handcuffs. i have to believe that's what's happening because the alternative, joy, is frankly too terrible to contemplate that all of the crimes that have been conducted by this president that have come to light, if they go unanswered, then there's really no point to our justice system at all. >> yeah, absolutely. peter navarro. let's play peter navorro saying basically, i did it. here he is. >> lost it. let me read you what he said. if the votes were sent back to the battleground states and looked at again there would be enough concerns amongst the legislatures and most of the states would decertify the election. that would throw it to the house of representative. i'll say to you here, ari. it was in the lanes legally. do we have it? i think we have it. >> if the votes were sent back to those battleground states and looked at again, that there

would be enough concern amongst the legislators that most or all of those states would decertify the election. that would throw the election to the house of representatives, and i would say to you here, ari, all of this again was in the lanes legally. it was prescribed by the constitution. there is a provision to go rather than through the electoral college to the house of representatives, and all that's required was peace and calm on capitol hill. >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. i totally reject many of your premises there. >> the premise is actually true. he literally describes a coup. on top of that we have this washington post reporting, glen, rudy giuliani in that same little click and other legal advisers, literally asked the republican prosecutor in northern michigan to get the county's voting machines and said he declined.

we don't have the magical power to do this. they're describing what he did it and does the openness of it make it more or less likely that they get held to account? >> it makes it confusing because we have this sense that if they're admitting to it, perhaps it's not criminal. navorro is not taking a play from vince lombardi's playbook. he's taking a play from donald trump's handbook. he has been caught red handed with treasonous memos. when you put on top of that the reporting that you just read from, joy, where this michigan prosecutor was approached by rudy giuliani and trump's teams and said, listen, just collect up all of the michigan voting machines and give it to us. that quote from the prosecutor that you read, he said, i can't just say give them here. we don't have that magical power

to just demand things as prosecutors. you need probable cause. joy, low and behold, two weeks later in donald trump's draft executive order of december 16th, like a magical incantation donald trump says five times, i have probable cause. i have probable cause to send the army out to seize all the state voting machines. what he doesn't understand, that's not how any of this works. it's not how probable cause works. so basically between navorro and the draft executive order -- this is like sedition for dummies. >> i mean, i went into the bank and said give me a million dollars. that's not how that works. glen kirshner. curt bar dello will be back. america's right wing is all in a tizzy about the canadian truckers. the big question is, who's behind all of this? you may not be surprised. we'll be right back. surprised we'll be right back.

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protesters are in their second week of demonstrating against canadian vaccination mandates for truckers crossing the border with the busiest border between canada and the united states. the mesh right wing has been salivating over the protests. >> the canadian truckers, you've been reading about it -- who are resisting bravely these lawless mandates are doing more to defend american freedom than our own leaders by far and we want those great canadian truckers to know that we are with them all the way. >> the canadian truckers are heroes. they are patriots and they are marching for your freedom and for my freedom. >> ted cruz. >> some of those same people who tried to steal our election are now calling for similar demonstrations in the united states. despite what the right wing 2345ir rative might want you to

believe, this isn't a local protest made up entirely of truckers. the canadian trucking alliance said a great number of protesters have no connection, zero, to the trucking industry. the vast majority of canadian truckers are vaccinated. nowhere near what the entire country thinks. 67% of canadians want the government to impose further measures on the unvax i nated. the ottawa police chief said a significant element from the u.s. was involved in the funding and organizing of the convoy. as politico notes, some of the same contention backing trumpism here in the united states are doing this for their own gain noting the analysis for the institute for strategic dialogue found multiple far right u.s. groups and those associated with the tea party have donated to the go fund me page for the

convoy. white supremacist channels shared the link for the fundraising site. go fund me wound up shutting down the page. some republicans including the texas attorney general are now investigating. here's how canada reacted to that one. >> it is certainly not the concern of the texas attorney general as to how we in canada go about our daily lives in accordance with the rule of law. >> now this all sounds vaguely familiar to you, it's because we are seeing these same far right forces sparking school board fights over racial history, going after voting rights here in the u.s. and they're not just well organized, they're also well funded. and when we come back, we will tell you about one particular right wing billionaire who's poured money into far right causes and social media that have been used for global

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friends, allow me to introduce you to peter thiel. you might not be super familiar with him, but he has played a central role in funding a string of very familiar businesses like paypal, facebook and lyft. that's what made him famous. here's what made him infamous. how he uses giant gobs of money to fund vendettas. you probably remember his first highly publicized victim which was gawker. some of you freaked the site. i know i did. in 2007 who wrote a book about the saga, thiel was so upset, he

called them the mbto. it was then and there he plotted his revenge. in 2011 he found a way. in 2012 gawker decided to post secretly reported videos of hogan having sexual intercourse with his best friend's wife. oops. hogan was livid. here's where thiel saw an opportunity. thiel notified his lawyers. in 2016 gawker was found guilty and faced a $140 million judgment. gawker, which couldn't pay that amount, was forced to fold. thiel had effectively sued gawker into oblivion. it's an odd personal mission for a libertarian who rails about

the unnecessary policing of speech. he set his sights on another equally orange way less muscly celebrity, donald trump. his bet paid off bigly. he became president donald's loudest ally and a close confidante. he is investing in candidates running for office in this year's mid terms who align with and can advance the trump agenda. joining me now is nbc news senior reporter ben collins and back with me is dnc curt randella. thiel is a real billionaire. $2.7 billion is his net worth. the companies that receive funding are facebook, lyft, yelp, palantir. paypal, stripe, spacex. this thing called xyinga. he's into everything. but it's his belief system that is fascinating. in his book about venture

capitalism thiel himself argues that the founders are god like, that monarchies are more efficient than democracies and that cults are a better organizational model than management consultanconsultanci. he is very anti-democracy ala steve bannon. how can that influence play out given all that he has his tentacles in. >> until this week he was on the board of facebook. i think you can lead the tea leaves on where things are going with him leaving. so you can see that happening now, now he's investing in parallel areas, rumble, a youtube knockoff. to be exclusive to their platform or at least opposed to their platform.

in that space they're trying to create a parallel internet basically that won't be affected at all by the moderation in any capacity except for the moderation of course that they want to be on there. so that's the whole mission here is to create an anti-elite internet, a separate internet where they can create and craft their own narratives without much judgment. >> yeah. by the way, i've never heard of rumble. it's the site that offered joe rogan $100 million if he would switch to their side where presumably he could say the "n" word all he wants without anybody saying anything to him about it. curt, you know the other figure, steve bannon, and the two of them are very similar. this is how politico described the difference between thiel is quite different than bannon. his biff va lens about democracy different. he got rich by developing

paypal. thiel likes his capitalism. he's a less sentimental version of bannon. that was trying to dig into the hollywood world. talk about this mind set that wants the things social media, liberal community create. but they want to make it roll. >> especially for bannon. starting his career at goldman sachs. you can't get more establishment than that. these figures, it's not like they want to tear down all of these things that they so desperately wanted to initially be a part of. they started this whole thing because he got made fun of at the dinner. it's the thirst for approval that says, well, if you won't 4re9 me sit at the cool kits

table. all of the elites, the hollywood elite, the media elite, he's a billionaire, joy. pull him up by the boot straps. they see them as an atm machine to keep funding their domestic terrorist activities. >> what's interesting, one of the candidates that peter thiel is backing is david vance a multi-millionaire hedge fund guy. the messaging that's going out. it's all about, you know, standing up to what they see as the man, right? standing up against vaccines

saying don't get vaccinated. standing up against history teachers making them the enemy. all of his stuff feels like it's a piece. truckers don't want to get vaccinated are heroes. the thing about it is because they worked this through social media, it's really effective. >> yeah. vance's capital -- venture capital fund also, by the way, gave to rumble around the same time that peter thiel did. that's what we're working with here. we have are working with people who have some money to throw around on this thing. that's what you're seeing now. since january 6th a lot of people have focused on the specific militia movement, the quanon people, proud boy. but they had it. they don't care about labels. they care about what their movement is doing and their movement is largely anti-authority. they want to basically replace government with a new one and if they have to do it by force, they don't mind that. they think it's revolutionary in this capacity.

that's what you see with the trucker convoy. it's a populist movement. for most people they would say an antiauthority movement. that's what's going on here. it's not about labeling this like look at these quanon people. it's a big soup now. they are not coming together around donald trump, they're coming around the idea that government needs to be replaced. >> and around oligarchy. they want to have rich people free to do as they please and they have like a vanguard of broke people just on the front lines. >> that's exactly right, joy. and it's kind of the frustrating thing from a pure messaging standpoint. if you want to contrast the difference between the two political parties in this country, one party is for the rich. one party is using that power, that wealth to try and suppress the other classes of people in this country.

the people who would benefit the most are these farmers. it was tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. the people they try to hold up and prop up, they don't stand a chance in their world view. that's the ultimate con. >> i say watch what they've done -- rachel maddow says watch what they do, not what they say. what did donald trump accomplish? it wasn't building the wall. it was the tax break for the rich. it's all about the money. always follow the money. ben and curt, thank you both very much. curt said it was about the different parties. not always because stick around. we're going to dig into one of the real reasons why a democrat named joe manchin's obstruction of the biden agenda, what he might be up to.

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climate change. to promote his build back better agenda. that agenda has been cleared dead on arrival by senator joe manchin. an intense campaign to get him on board. everyone in politics has been wondering how they could convince him to change his mind, maybe the actual answers that you can't because it is in his financial interest to say no. maybe that is just we the answer that people than ignoring. the rolling stone releasing a lengthy exposé about manchin's -- in a -- another deep dive into what

they call, manchin's corruption. the article d kills selling the scrap cole has earned mansion millions of dollars over three decades, and he is use his political position to protect the fuel from laws and regulations that also threaten his family business. so, maybe it is time to stop begging manchin to do what is right and start exposing when he actually stands for. joining me now is scott waltman, focused on climate change at any news. thank you for being here. i'm fascinating to talk with you, scott. after a while, i started to realize that manchin was never going to vote for build back better, no matter what they did to, it how they distorted it. he already got the thing he wanted it, that's when i said on the stephen colbert show. those 20 politicians, ten democrats and ten republicans. they stood there, 20 people gave out 1.2 trillion dollars. this group. non diverse. not a single diverse person in

the room. 1.2 trillion dollars in front of us. boom! and he is going to benefit financially from that. talk a little bit about manchin and his coal empire. >> well, one of the ways that he could benefit from the bipartisan bill is that there is a bunch of funding in there for abandoned mine cleanup. that is exactly what his business does. he founded it about 30 years ago. it has this unique role and then sells waste coal, which is coal left over from decades of coal mining to single power plant in west virginia that still ... and has been delivering this waste coal to this power plant, cleaning it up from abandon mine lance. he has made about $5 million, alone, since he's come to congress, when he was first elected to 2010. his shares in the company or within another $5 million. it has been a very lucrative for him, and, you, know this

something that has happened out in the open for decades, really. >> like the 20 people who gave out 1.2 ... it's amazing, if it was a bake robbery, it would've been middle of the day, when everyone is in there and walking out the bags. i've never seen anything like, it right? let's talk more about him. manchin says, it is in a blind trust. i don't have anything to do with it. it's his son running the company. it's his family benefiting. this man has made sure that, what is it? 90% of the energy out of west virginia, in very poor state, come from coal. you can't get away from coal even the lot of people would like to. >> that's right. west virginia public service commission, which determines the fate of a lot of coal plants, is actually working to keep coal on even though it is wasting tons of money. this power plant, in particular, it is called the power plant, selling his coal to, has faced bankruptcy many times. over the years, in 2006, when manchin was governor, his appointee control the public

service commission, his chief of staff worked behind the scenes to get a sweetheart deal for this power plant. it was on the verge of closing. pc came back and give the plant more money, which comes from the utility customers of west virginia and their monthly electric bills, and it also give them a longer contract, extended its contract, until 2035. so, that alone, i think, it has cost 100 and $17 million, to keep this one plant going. anytime it faces any sort of financial troubles, which is been many times over the years, it goes before the public service commission and they asked for more money. >> yeah. you know, the build back better bill, you know, there are some climate change provisions in the other bill, in the infrastructure bill. the big bulk of it was in build back better. i mean, you write about things like, him designating coal related activity as helping climate change. no it doesn't. he's found ways to reconfigure his coal business to get it

under the rules, so he can pretend it is climate change. climate change ... know it is not. >> that's right, when he was governor, one of the last things that he did before he came to the senate 2010, he's worked to grant them bill, signing the renewable energy bill. they were going to get their grid from a hunter percent coal to 75% coal. the rest would be renewable and alternative energy, he put in per vision and they're that alternative energy would include waste coal, which is incredibly significant for the environment. he said this should count as part of west virginia's alternative energy portfolio, along with natural gas and other fossil fuels. >> it is remarkable to me that this has not been something that has been focused on as people thought that they can have some black posture convince them, or civil rights people, no you can't. when someone's financial interest is over, here it will stay over here no matter what

you say. i appreciate you scott waldman, for your great reporting. thank you very much, i appreciate you. hopefully we will think more about this, and talk more about this, and we will be talking about west virginia, because this is where it is hot, y'all. follow the money. people don't do what is not in their financial interest to do. maybe that is why he does not want to do build back better. all in with chris hayes starts now. want to do bui >>ld back better tonight on all in. >> take back your party from this cold. >> reporter: the running man slows down but stops short of explaining his party -- insurrection. >> they can run, but they cannot hide from what happened on january 6th to call that legitimate political discourse. >> reporter: tonight, january six as a republican wedge issue. plus, rudy giuliani's reporting attempt to commandeer voting machines. the anti vaxxer who just took a capital riot plea deal, and subpoena -- th