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that goes double for anyone planning a super bowl party this weekend. look at this. chicken and ground beef both up double digits in the past year, the cost of snacks up 8%, beer, wine, alcohol up 3%, the price of soda up close to 4%. and if you want to a new tv to watch the game, the price of that has risen a little more than 2%. one final number jumps out. if you're driving to someone else's super bowl party, the price of gas is up 40% since this time last year. so a lot to talk about. i want to bring in nbc chief white house correspondent kristen welker, economics reporter steve liesman, jason fuhrman and michael tusk, founder of a project to end poverty in california, which launches today. so, steve, people were freaking out over last month's number. we have one that's even higher. is it as bad as it looks and sounds? >> yeah.
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i don't see anything inside the report, like we often have, that says take it with a grain of salt. i think you should take this exactly as it appears, which is it's a bad number. inflation is high. and the trouble is i don't see much relief, at least in the next several months, and the reason is because there may be some things that are yet to catch up or be caught by this consumer price index. higher food and fuel costs, you laid it out before, even airline fares are up. i thought there would be a little relief from the omicron wave reducing, and it did, hotel prices came down a little bit, but that could come back. the problem we have here is there's a series of events that have led to higher prices. when people call in sick because of having the virus, it reduces the supply of goods to the
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economy. we have a problem with wages going up. we have a problem with commodities at our ports and supplies are backed up. and i just don't see any relief from that anytime soon even when it comes to gas prices. sometimes they spike and they start to come down as you have an increase in production. we don't hear opec increasing production very much. so i'm afraid this number is bad and could get worse before at least the forecasts are it gets better towards the end of the year. >> jason, overall, do you agree? is the situation going to get worse before it gets better? do you see any reason to hope? >> you can always hope, but i think these numbers are worse than they look. i think omicron temporarily lowers them in january. that goes away, some of the prices like the hotels and motels steve were talking about are going to come back. the big story in 2022 is going to be the service prices hiccup. those were relatively muted in
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2021. 2021 was all about cars, all about goods. it's not going to be where you see the inflation this year. but the baton is being handed to the service part of the economy. i don't see any respite at least for the next several months and inflation will be high all year. >> for a lot folks, jason, the fed is where they look. they're talking about trying to get in front of this. the white house obviously wants to get on top of this. what needs to change? >> the fed has now focused on inflation as the main problem we have. and inflation, remember, these prices are rising faster than wages. and so workers are losing out. the fed is laser focused on that. they're going to be raising rates in march. i expect they're going to be raising rates in everything this year unless something changes and slowly that will bring it down. a bit of time, a bit of patience, a bit of change in the
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fed, this will get better but not necessarily very quickly. yeah. and, you know, there's obviously a political question, chris, wlb it will get better in time for the november elections. but having said that, the white house finally got some good news. they had a fantastic january jobs report. the president has been touting the best jobs growth in 40 years. what are they saying now? >> well, chris, this is the mixed bag when it comes to the economy right now, and press secretary jen psaki was asked about what they were anticipating in these numbers during yesterday's briefing. she said, look, we are bracing for a report where inflation is going to be above 7%, and that's what they got. she is stressing that outside forecasters predict that eventually over time it will start to decrease and moderate. to your point, chris, the window for that to happen politically in order for the administration, for democrats to be emboldened heading into the midterms needs to happen quite soon.
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will that happen? that is the question mark. back in july, president biden said he expected these inflationary figures would be temporary, and now the fact we are getting yet another very difficult report suggests that that prediction just was not right. for his part, the president is going to be in culpepper county, virginia, later today. he's going to appear with representative abigail spanberger, a democrat up for re-election. they'll tout a plan to bring down the price of prescription drugs and health care costs. i also anticipate we'll hear from the president a renewed push to pass parts of his build back better plan. they make the case at the white house, if you lower the cost on things like child care, prescription drugs, health care costs, that these prices will start to come down overall. it will start to really get at the heart of what is driving this inflation. but, again, all of this taking place against the backdrop of the 2020 midterms so the time line is quite urgent, chris. >> michael, you're seeing this
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every day on the ground. you're starting this new project today. look, huge focus on the presidential campaign, about helping people who are at the bottom, helping them to come up. we've seen with the jobs numbers that more people are employed, but what are the folks you talk to and you're trying to help day to day tell you? and what does a report like this mean to them, something i assume they're already feeling? snoog. >> yeah. we know even before this pandemic, far too many americans struggle in this economy in california and throughout this country. we also know that being in a covid-19 locked out, locked in situation up and down, round and round, doesn't help with inflationary pressures and supply-side issues, supply chain issues, et cetera. i know qua people -- and we also know that the best way to curb inflation or to allow people to persist given inflationary times
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is to do things like make sure wages are keep ug up with inflation, make sure that people have enough to pay for necessities. that's why things like the child tax credit are so important. i think like most people, people are frustrated because the cost of eggs, the cost of chips and dip for the super bowl has real impact on people's budgets, particularly people living day to day, particularly people who struggle with or without inflation. so these numbers are a sign of good news, but, again, another sign that we have to be really thinking about this economy not just the stock market but main street, how those folks are supposed to be able to do the things necessary to survive and provide for their families during these type of times. >> to that end, what would you like to see that, obviously within their purview, the president and the white house do? you mentioned the child tax credit.
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what are the very specific things you think would make a big difference right now? >> yeah. i think we heard from the economists today fixing the supply chain issues. i know there's been work on that. that work has to continue. i also think that it's no mistake that this 40-year high is happening in a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic. so we have to get serious on covid-19 strategy and policy to allow folks to produce the goods that people want. supply/demand discrepancy for cars and things. we have to make sure we take care of people, that the poor, disproportionately impacted, these things are essential to maintain in this pandemic because inflationary pressures are only going to make precarious economic pressures
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worse, particularly for those who are one paycheck or one pricing piece away from real financial harm for them and their families. >> kristen welker, steve liesman, fuhrman and michael tubbs. now to the latest fallout from the january 6th riot. they've subpoenaed peter navarro over his alleged efforts to overturn the election. and just days after the rnc called the riot legitimate political discourse, house republican leader kevin karpt said it was not, at least not by the people who were rioting, but he didn't blame the rnc for saying that. the house oversight committee is opening a new investigation. trump returned 15 boxes of white house records he improperly kept at his private florida residence. in a statement released in the last hour, he called the media's characterization of the boxings fake news. he said he was told he was under no obligation to give them these materials.
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now the national archives wants the juld to look into it with "the new york times" reporting overnight that the agency thinks they found classified information in those boxes. i've got the perfect team to break automatic this down, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, nbc capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake, joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney, and jeremy peters, "new york times" national politics reporter and author of the brand-new book "insurgency: how republicans lost their party and got everything they ever wanted." so jeremy, congrats on the book. it's not hard -- maybe it is hard, hard not to draw comparisons to the 2016 campaign when, you know, then candidate trump constantly talked about hillary clinton, her classified information that was all out there. but, i mean, honestly, you've been deep in this with this book. do his supporters care? do the american people care that this is happening? >> right. his supporters frankly don't
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care. that's because they are in an information ecosystem where this news is not penetrating. january 6th commission, subpoenas, all that, even mitch mcconnell's statement the other day that president trump had overstepped and that the rnc was wrong to censure these two anti-trump congressmen, that didn't penpenetrate. this is what i detail in the book is just how much the republican party is now captive to its own delusion, to its own denial of reality. and that's because president trump wants it that way, and as long as president trump wants it that way and his supporters are taking those cues from him, don't expect to see much in the way of leadership from kevin mccarthy or other rank-and-file republicans because they know that their political power comes from those voters, and those voters are the ones who are going to have to say enough is
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enough with trump. it's not going to come from capitol hill because i tell you, chris, you and i have sat through and discussed on these panels how many "wall street journal" editors and national review opinion columns and denunciationings from mitch mcconnell, this feels somewhat different because trump isn't the president and we don't -- the things are a little bit in flux for 2024, but -- >> whether or not kevin mccarthy becomes the speaker remains. >> right. >> pete, the national archives wants the doj's help, and "the times" reports they found classified information. what do we know about a possible investigation? and does it change anything if there is classified information in there? >> not much and yes are the anxiouses to your questions. we don't know a lot about the state of play here. clearly archives asked the justice department about this. the justice department said maybe your inspector general should look into it. and it's not clear exactly where it stands. it doesn't seem like this is the
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eve of a big investigation. i think for a couple of reasons. one, it's often the case that when officials leave the government they either mishandle intentionally or they fail to follow all the rules on classified information. and generally speaking, those cases are not prosecuted. it has to be fairly egregious before the government prosecutes. secondly i think there's a sense that most departing presidents don't back their own boxboxes. it doesn't sound like there's an imminent investigation of president trump himself, but it's still a matter of concern that this material was take on the mar-a-lago. whether it's going to lead to a criminal investigation, it doesn't seem like it at this point. it's too early to tell. >> jeremy, when he says in his statement, i was told i could take stuff with me, is a little different than the reporting that we've heard, which includes his aides running around after
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he's rimmed stuff up and putting them back together can with scotch tape, because they said they'd been told you can't just do that. >> right. i think regardless of what he's been told, president trump's pattern is to deny that he had ever been told that, right. i mean, as i lay out in the book, i quote one of his senior aides saying trump is the guy who believes the b.s. as soon as it comes out of his mouth. he has this extraordinary capacity to say that up is down and the sky is not blue. and in a lot of cases, his followers will believe that because they have been conditioned to see him as this victim of systemic persecution and unfairness. that's what we trace in this book. that's the modern conservative movement, today's republican
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party, it's overwhelmed by this sense that they have been wronged. and former president trump is the voice of that sentiment. >> and anything that doesn't fit into that narrative, joyce, is deemed fake, including trump denying this morning, when we learn from maggie haberman's book, that trump's white house staff found printed paper that was clogging the president's personal toilet that they thought he was obviously trying to flush it. he, again, just denied it. as a former prosecutor, when you hear things like what we've heard in the last 24 hours or so, what does it say to you in a legal sense? >> it's interesting because i think pete is dead on the money here, have your inspector general take a look at this is doj speak for we don't see anything to prosecute here, at least not yet. but the january 6th committee has a lot of work to do, and they certainly need to talk to trump and the people around him,
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unlikely that they'll get him directly, to figure out what happened here and whether congress needs to pass new laws specifically around the retention of presidential records to make sure that better records are kept going forward. this is not just bureaucratic regulation that's being imposed. this sort of documentation is important. there are national security implications. and of course future administrations need to know what their predecessors have done in conducting their business. and gaps can be very important and very detrimental to national security. so this is an important issue. i think because the statutes in this area impose significant burdens in terms of willfulness and knowledge and intent, unless there's some sort of narrative here that develops where there's evidence that these boxes were part of an intent to on instruct an investigation or some sort of attempt to interfere with government function, prosecution is unlikely in this area. >> so obviously, garrett, there are a couple different aspects
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here. one is the legal one that pete and joyce just laid out, but there's the political implications. kevin mccarthy said january 6th was not legitimate political discourse like the rnc said, but he also didn't blame them for saying it. what's the end game here? >> the end game for republicans is they would sure like to stop talking about january 6th all together and especially like to stop talking about what some privately continue seed was an own goal from the rnc being sloppy with this statement. here's how kevin mccarthy talked about both the idea of legitimate political discourse and what the rnc was trying to say when i caught up with him yesterday. what about the legitimate political discourse characterization from the rnc? >> i think anybody on the 6th that entered this building, that rioted, was not legitimate. i don't think that's what the rnc was talking about. >> the rnc will say what they're trying to say is they believe
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that the january 6th committee is engaged in overreach, going after folks like the alternate electors set up in several states, some which included rnc members. none of that was in the resolution they voted on and thus creates the problem for them where they go around and around again with republicans having to defend largely indefensible conduct as relates to january 6th. >> jeremy, in your book, trump made it clear he thinks he's solely responsible for republicans' success in recent years. is that his way of trying to clear the field for 2024? what's your sense of what's behind all of this? >> well, as i get into in the book, trump is not interested in discussing or even entertaining the notion that there can be a successor to him. i quote somebody in there saying that trump -- this is a very senior adviser to trump, that trump wants the next person following him in the republican party to lose by 40 points. >> one of the great moments in the book, honestly. >> i think there's lot of truth to that because he's not
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interested in building something. at this point, it has become all about his own grievances and denial of reality over what happened in the election. and he has at least by my read after talking to him, he's talked himself into this idea that this was stolen from him. and so therefore it's become a personal mission to prove that he was wronged, that he was cheated. and that's different from what we saw in 2016 when he told people he would be their voice and standing up for them. now he risks appearing as he's just standing up for himself. we have these discussions about his grip on the party, that's something we should keep in mind because if voters start to see this as only in this for himself, that could be a problem for him. >> i'm several chapters in. some fascinating stuff. congrats on the book. thanks so to all of you. coming up, inside the biden administration's plans to get
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military exercises between russia and belarus under way on the border with ukraine. the military drills involve thousands of troops and will last for ten days. at the same time, top uk and russian diplomats are meeting in moscow, while in berlin, diplomats from russia, ukraine, germany, and france are all meeting to discuss the conflict. here at home, nbc news has learned that the white house has approved a pentagon plan to evacuate thousands of americans out of ukraine if russia attacks. officials say u.s. troops from the 82nd airborne division could be called on. they would set up checkpoint, tent camp, and other temporary facilities inside poland in the coming days. let's go to richard engle who is in ukraine for us. what's the latest on the ground there in ukraine as russia and belarus carry out these military drills? >> reporter: so we'll start with the military picture because as you just described there are quite a few moving parts.
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but militarily, we've already seen in eastern ukraine the russian military buildup. and we've seen lots of images of russian tanks and artillery along the eastern flank. over the last two weeks or so, there has been a major buildup in belarus. starting from february 1st until today, it was the first phase of the exercises in belarus, which saw about 30,000 russian troops move into the country. now starting today, those exercises in belarus to the north of ukraine enter phase two, which is a much more active combat phase, much more firing, much more weapons in use. and the concern in kyiv and the concern in many countries and many capitals is once you have a military exercise in which the weapons are being used and in an active phase, that a military exercise could be used as a cover for a military incursion. so on the east, buildup
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continues, north very active starting today, and then in the south, where i am right now, on the sea, we are soon going to see russian naval exercises that are going to begin over the next several days. ukrainian officials have been complaining that russian naval exercises will effectively cut off this country's access to the azoff sea and the black sea. many ukrainians feel they're being penned in with the presence in the north and a naval exercise coming to the south as the diplomacy continues in moscow today led by the uk. talks are not seeming to go very well. the russian foreign minister is talking to his british counterpart and said it was, quote, like talking to a deaf person, that she hears but does not listen. and then what could be more substantive talks going on in germany, trying to figure out a way out of this crisis by
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reimplementing an old peace deal. >> so much going on, richard. it's great to have you there to keep us on top of it. thank you. big news for parents waiting for the green light to pet the young kids vaccinated. the latest guidance from the cdc. plus, texas got more than $2 billion to safely reopen schools. but teachers are asking, where did all the money go? we're following the money. we're following the money. and it's easy to get a quote at libertymutual.com so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? limu?
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and where they came from. ohhh...cool. this whole journey has been such a huge gift for our family. developing this morning, the cdc hasn't yet approved the covid vaccine for kids under 5, but it is laying the groundwork to distribute the shots, telling state and local health officials they could get their first shipments by february 21st. meantime, the white house is pushing back against states easing mask mandates saying all students and teachers should continue wearing masks in schools. and that's despite a growing number of governors in blue states rescinding such mandates with covid cases now on the decline. and in canada, truckers continue to protest vaccine mandates there. it's now starting to cause some tangible economic gridlock, toyota saying that protests are forcing it to make cuts to canadian production. join ug us now, cal perry,
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looking into where the covid money went in this country, and dr. kavita patel is former obama health care lead. so they're expecting to ship the vaccines by february 21st. you and i have been on the air so much together, we've gotten used to celebrating what seems like milestones. but given the low 5 to 11, how you convince parents to get shots for their 2-year-old or 1-year-old? >> i won't lie, the parents that want it, they'll run and try to get it. they're already trying to book appointments with our clinic so they want to be there on the 21st. but for a majority of parents, they feel pretty comfortable waiting, and now that we're hearing so much confusion over masks, everything's okay, you can take your masks off, they're
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asking very relevant questions -- why should i get a vaccine? everything is getting better. why don't i wait longer? the answers i give back have to be embedded both in data but also the psychology of what i'm dealing with because to be honest, chris, this is where we failed a little bit as country. we haven't acknowledged health scare fatigue. so parents, i walk through the data and try to say you need to take account for the benefits of the vaccine and then the risks, as we know it, are so low, and then i think finally i vaccinated my own children and here's why i did it. so it's hard, and you're right, i don't expect there to be 50% uptick, probably 15% to 20% in the under 5 age group uptick quickly. >> you mentioned the protests. cal, you're at the u.s./canada border. talk about the growing economic impact these truckers are having
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over mandate. >> reporter: i can show you the grid block. this bridge every day is the busiest crossing between canada and the u.s. today it has moved 65 miles to where i am. this is the bluewater bridge. that bridges port huron with sarnya. there is a three to five hour wait for these commercial vehicles to get across. it has caused a real economic crisis. 20% of commerce between the u.s. and canada normally crosses between that ambassador bridge. it has the capacity to handle 10,000 vehicles a day. this bridge here has the capacity to only handle between 4,000 and 6,000 vehicles, and that is if everything is going smoothly. it has had an immediate knock-on effect to the auto industry. a number of companies move parts between the u.s. and canada and vice versa, so we have plants that are curtailing what they're doing or, in fact, shutting down. chrysler fell first. gm, ford, and toyota have all come out saying they'll curtail what they're doing.
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i have a statement from ford. "this interruption hurts customers, autoworkers, supplier, communities on both sides of the border that have spent two years with shortages resulting from the global semiconductor issue, covid, and more." ford, for example, chris, had announced this week they were shutting eight plants across north america because of the semiconductor chip issue. so you add this crisis on top of that crisis, and you have officials concerned not only in canada but of course here in the united states as well. >> and heidi, you've been digging into where all the covid government money went, specifically in texas. what did you find out? >> hats off to cal for finding the pest live shot in port huron without consulting me. that's a place i know well. this is a historic infusion of federal dollars into local school systems, but congress didn't attach many strings to it. now that we're getting a look under the hood at how some of this money is being spent, we're hearing from some of the stake holderings including teachers
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who say even though congress said you have to use these first two tranches for health and safety or safe return to school, that's not how the money was spent. at least that's how they feel. listen to a teacher who quit this week after contracting covid twice and expressing concerns about her health. >> i feel like i was being overworked and undercompensated. there is a lot of encouragement to work outside of contractual hours, you know, asked to be worked -- after 3:45 p.m., to stay late, work weekends without any pay. as far as the $5,000 stipend that we were supposed to receive, all employees were supposed to get, we only got $3,000 of that $5,000. we did not receive any covid
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days, and from my experience, i really needed those since i had covid twice this year and the flu once. so i was out a lot of this year. >> that highlights an emerging issue, how this money is being spent that was supposed to be spent on health and safety and a safe return of students and staff. the you look at the students from macao want, $37 million of the $50 million went to student learning, student resources versus ppe, which was about $475,000. now, it's important to say that the district says they never had a shortage of ppe. but here's the issue, chris -- what qualifies as ppe? the teachers say they've been pushing since august for n95 and did not get them in the omicron surge in january. they've only arrived in the past couple weeks. chris? >> let me end with you, dr. patel, on this issue of the white house and the cdc director
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saying kids should still wear masks in schools. but then you see more governors lifting such mandates. here we are, you mentioned the confusion at the top of this segment, what's a person to do who wants to do the right thing? >> yeah. the right thing to do today when we have every single state still in a literally painted red from high transmission rate, more than 100 cases per 100,000 over seven days, that's still too much virus circulating. about 200,000 cases a day, many of those children, and that's the numb we weres we saw at the peak of delta. so everything is about perspective. cases are coming down. i think a conversation about when to take masks out of schools is a right one to have, but today is not that day, and attaching fear lead to individual families making poor decisions because they don't know how to assess risk. for anybody struggling with this, absolutely try to
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understand if your faculty and stamp are vaccinated, what's the uptick of the rate in the school, and use that to guide decisions if you have no massing requirement. if you are going to do a mask, don't do the junk masks that don't protect your child. do the high quality ones because that can protect your child even a majority of children around them are not wearing masks. i regret we've come to this place where after two years we're leaving people with more confusion than we started with. >> thanks to all of you. we have breaking news to tell you about. in california, an immediate evacuation order has been issued for irvine cove and emerald bay after a wildfire erupted this morning in laguna beach amid powerful wind and high temperatures. the order is impacting hundreds of residents. the pacific coast highway has been closed in both directions. we're keeping a close eye on this breaking story and will bring you any new details as we
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here? our guests at the top of the show said these numbers are really bad. >> you're right. we have historically strong economic growth, the strongest in four years, a tnd strongest job growth and labor outcomes ever recorded. and as a result, we've seen wages increase, and one good piece of news is that in january we see that real wages after adjusting for inflation, were up. there's no question that prices are too high. >> but they're not keeping up with inflation, brian. you know that. >> in january, the data today confirms in january wages went up 0.7%, higher than the increase in inflation because we're seeing an acceleration in wage growth. that doesn't change your basic point. people are feeling which, which is why we need to deliver relief directly. there's a lot of practical ways we can do this. you take the issue of prescription drugs. the president is going to virginia to talk about this today. there's a proposal in front of congress that would lower the cost of prescription drugs and
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provide relief for families. that would provide real relief right now. energy costs. we have utility ceos here yesterday. all of them said if we pass the clean energy tax credits in front of congress right now, it would mean that they would lower utility bills for people right now. child care as well. we have a proposal in front of congress that would cut the cost of child care in half. these are practical ways to provide people relief. we could do so without increasing the deficit and as a result not adding to inflationary pressures. we're going to keep focused on this inflation challenge is real, we need to address it, we need to provide people relief and need congress to work on that right now. >> i want to talk about what's going on across the border, the price of cars a big part of inflation. let me ask you about those protests in ottawa, the disruption of trucking, mayor automakers including ford, toyota, gm issuing statements of concern. they've had disruption to operations here in the u.s.
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gauge the level of concern about the economic impact, especially as dhs warns these protests could be coming here. >> we're focused on this issue. customs and border patrol is in contact with their canadian counterparts and here at the white house we are as well. as you said and as the statements from the companies made clear, what this is doing is it's hurting families and communities across the united states and canada. we have this across our countries and our manufacturing industry relies on input goods to we can keep our factories moving and humming. we're very focused on this issue, practically what we can do both to divert -- >> what can we do practically? >> well, we're working in real time to divert cargo, and as you showed, that's an imperfect solution either by rail or other bridges or by water. but we're working on all of the elements that we can do in that case. and then staying close to our
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canadian counterparts as they work to how they are going to approach and try to defuse the situation here. i want to be very clear, there are strong feelings about this issue, legitimate peaceful protest is of course something that is always encouraged. but taking steps like this that do nothing but hurt the economy, hurt families who are, you know, just trying to make a living, and hurt our economy really make no sense. so we're going to keep working on this hour by hour. this is something that we have been on overnight and will be on over the course of the day, keep trying to find solutions here. >> brian deese, thank you. i appreciate it. up next, the justice department signals it could allow safe injection sites as a way to combat the surge in overdose deaths. that idea, though, facing a ton of backlash. could it work? we'll ask an expert next. work? we'll ask an expert next
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mandate to disrupt the supply of drugs, reduce demand, use diplomacy, develop surveillance. all of it coming as the toll on the economy issest mask mandated at $1.3 trillion a year from the opioid epidemic. drsmtd joseph lee, president and ceo of hazleton betty ford foundation. thanks for being with us. this new plan is focusing on supply and demand when it comes to drugs in the u.s. overdoses are now killing 100,000-plus americans a year. as you look at this plan, is it enough to at least start to make a dent in this overwhelming problem? >> well, that's a great question. you know, the execution and the dosage of funding and investment made in the plan is of course going to be critical. but as far as the blueprint is concerned, it is an evolution that is better than in the past. you know, if you look at our history and supply and demand is a great way to frame it, we've only focused on supply mainly, how to cut off prescriptions, how to cut off the drug supply.
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that is a necessary part of the cool kit. but we haven't addressed the demand part. demand meanings everything from prevention in our schools to treatment to ways that we can use to prevent people from overdosing so they can stay in the game and get treatment or services later on. we've been so focused on the supply side. the bottom line is, you know, addiction is really about people, not about drugs. and sometimes in our history we've forgotten that. we've been focused on specific drugs and specific policies. what i'm trying to say is, as long as our north star is investing in people, wecan't go wrong. this is a step in the right direction. >> there are many different aspects to this plan, but let me address one of them because there are signs the justice department maybe open to safe injection sites for opioid users. it's a politically charged idea. i don't need to tell you that. can you explain what a safe injection site is, and is it a good idea to help combat this epidemic? >> yeah. you know, i understand and the
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idealistic way people look at addiction and treatment that intuitively some people may have a reaction to safe injection sites. but there is data they reduce hepatitis c transmission, hiv transmission, and they can help with overdoses. this is not a broad-sweeping plan. this isn't the only tool in the tool kit. if you look at addressing this problem on the demand side, you start with prevention, right, because before a problem starts you want to get to it before it becomes a big issue. and there will be another epidemic down the road. there are millions of kids in our schools now. we need more prevention services so there's not a future open yoild ep dem wick another substance. you have safe injection sites, treatment, other kinds of interventions to help people along their path, meaning multiple tools. safe injection sites can be helpful and lifesaving. it's not the only tool in the tool kit. people don't need to be overly alarmed about it. >> i want to talk about that fatality number, 100,000 april
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to april, 25% increase from the 12 months prior. what toll is the pandemic taking in this epidemic? >> well, we know that when our society is suffering either from a recession or a downturn like the pandemic, mental health issues and substance issues are going to rise. and people become isolated. addiction is a disease of isolation. in that isolation, we're seeing more people pass away. so that's tragic on a number of fronts, not just deaths but because it's aed is commentary on our society and our need to connect. we focus on recovery and it's about connecting people to each other. i know our country is yearning to do that. tragic moments, but the silver lining is i think through the pandemic we can identify the real important things about society, the things that are true to us, and i think part of that truth is connecting with each other. people get healthier and dry when they're together and they pass away and struggle when they're in isolation. >> one of the words of this
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pandemic is going to be disconnection. you make such a great point. dr. joseph lee, thank you for the work you do and thanks for being with us today. that wraps up this hour. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle. i'm chs rijansing in for i'm chs rijansing in for stephanie ruhle.one simple step. totally effortless. styl. tresemme. do it with style. real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, hart will be jose diaz-balart. hart will be jose diaz-balart. -. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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