right now on msnbc the multiple investigations into former president donald trump are ramping up. first, nbc news confirming stunning new details from the january 6th committee. investigators finding large gaps in white house phone logs from the day of the insurrection even though lawmakers know numerous

calls were made by then president trump. we'll have more on this developing story ahead with a big panel. also on the hill, one congressional committee opening an investigation into the former president's handling of white house documents. new details coming in about what lawmakers want to know and who they'll be talking to. our capitol hill team is standing by live with all of it. at the white house, president biden getting ready to host democratic senators on the judiciary committee. a key meeting ahead of his announcement on whom he will be nominating to the supreme court. here with us live this hour the head of that committee, senator dick durbin. plus new msnbc news reporting on those tensions overseas. what our intelligence sources are now telling us on how russia plans to invade ukraine if it happens and the kremlin has plenty of options on the table. i'm kristen welker in washington in for my friend hallie jackson. congressional reporter for "new york times" luke broadwater.

thanks to all of you for starting us off this hour. luke, i have to start with you because you along with several of your "new york times" colleagues were first to break this story about the former president's call logs from january 6th. congratulations, great reporting. what can you tell us about these gaps? >> right, so the january 6th committee has been extremely interested in what president trump was doing on january 6th. what steps he took to try to call off the mob or what steps he didn't take. and one thing they were trying to uncover these steps, he may or may not have taken, they got call logs from the national archives and as investigators were paging through these, they kept finding hours and hours of no calls from donald trump. and they knew from statements and interviews and different things that people have done that donald trump was, in fact, making calls during these times.

so this throws a huge road block in the committee as they try to paint this picture of exactly what donald trump did or did not do on january 6th. i think it also relates to some of the other reporting we've seen this week about the chaotic nature of the trump white house in which things were not done by the book. people were not using official channels to communicate and grabbing each other's cell phones and calling and other people's cell phones and the like. it is going to be very difficult for this committee to pin down whom was calling whom at what times and official record based on what information they have so far. >> yeah, i think that's absolutely right. that is going to be the challenge for sure. leigh ann let me go to you. you matched this reporting and i know you have been working your sources on all of this. what can you tell me on who the president was calling that day and what do we know about the

timeline? look, it's really hard to piece this stuff back together but we do know some of what happened. >> we do know a little bit, kristen. and they want to piece it back together because they know it's critically important. we know in the morning of january 6th he tried to get a hold of vice president mike pence multiple times. they eventually connected. we also know that he did reach out and call representative jim jordan but after that rally at the ellipse that's where things become murky. that's where the big gaps take place. after he spoke and, you know, rallied his supporters, that's where there are no call logs, even though there are calls that have been publicly reported. we do know that the former president spoke with leader mccarthy. we also know that he called senator mike lee's cell phone mistakenly trying to reach senator tuberville of alabama. and those call logs were not in

the documents that the january 6th select committee received from the national archives. perhaps he used his cell phone and they weren't documents and perhaps the call logs were destroyed and perhaps they haven't received the documents yet. the archives, excuse me the january 6th select committee anticipates getting more documents from the archives and maybe they haven't come in yet. regardless, still a lot of questions that need to be answered, kristen. >> there sure are, leigh ann. politically speaking for republicans the last thing they want is yet another headline that they have to answer for that relates to former president trump. can you take us inside the reaction. what are folks saying on capitol hill about this latest reporting? >> the idea that the trump white house was sloppy at its call logs with its records and with how information went in and out of the white house isn't a surprise to anyone. the question that i think really matters here is what is the committee going to do with this

next. there are other ways they can get at this information, if they want it. we know they have been trying to get a hold of phone logs from other potential witnesses, other cell phone records, the folks in and around the white house. and whether they try to go after more directly the people who donald trump was talking to. whether that's a subpoena for kevin mccarthy. whether that's inviting any of these folks we know the president talked to on that day in the testify. call logs were never going to show the contents of these phone conversations and at the end of the day, it's not what the president was doing with his cell phone, it's what he was saying or not saying about the attack that was going on at the capital at the time that is going to be critical to the january 6th committee and their investigation going forward. >> yeah, i think you hit the key point, right? how are they actually going to create all of this? one of the challenges, luke, is that we're going to know that former president trump often took calls on multiple different cell phones, including phones of those around him, right? talk a little bit about the

unique nature and how this might complicate the very efforts that garret is talking about. >> yeah, we talked to one person from this story who said they tried to call president trump on january 6th and his body person picked it up and wasn't fully aware where the president was. so different people are using different people's cell phones. it's really a chaotic nature. this comes the same week as there was just reporting this morning from my colleague that aides had found certain records flushed in a toilet and had to try to piece them back together. so, you know that he was tearing up records and that he was taking boxes to mar-a-lago that may have had classified information in them. so, i think it's part of a bigger picture of how really anybody who's going to try to go back and try to document what the trump white house was doing as a historian or as an

investigative committee and going to run into big problems. and i do think the rest of the panel is correct that it may come down to these subpoenas for cell phone records of people close to mr. trump. if you're going to get a true call log of what happened. >> well, i'm glad that you bring up the new reporting by maggie haberman. in her new book that is going to come out, "confidenceman." this is what former president trump had to say about that reporting. he dismissed it and called it made up by a reporter in order to get publicity for a mostly fictitious book. garrett, to what extent will democrats try to hone in on this and try to get to exactly what happened as it relates to these records and record keeping by the former president? >> well, as relates to those records and to the records that had to be retrieved by the national archives from mar-a-lago last month, we now know the house oversight committee plans to open up an

investigation into all of the above when it comes to the trump white house's record keeping practices and, kristen, it's anybody's guess how close they'll get. i suspect you'll see another potential round of subpoenas ultimately, a lot of the same players who we have been talking about in the context of the january 6th investigation. and it will remain to be seen. i mean, the presidential records act is law. there are criminal penalties for not following it. but as our colleague pete williams has been reporting, the doj doesn't seem particularly exercised about any of the alleged misdeeds of then or former president trump depending on the context as it came to his record keeping thus far. but, you know, maggie haberman's book this is contemporaneous that has been over for a year. there is more to find out about this story. >> leigh ann, let me end with you. liz cheney is out with a new op-ed and goes into some detail about what the committee is

aiming to prove in these public hearings. how she sees the importance of this committee because the committee has come under its own scrutiny. how is she justifying the work that they've done so far? >> that's right, kristen. liz cheney has not only proven herself to be an investigator but a bull dog defending the work of herself and the entire committee. so just less than a week after she was censured by the republican party, the rnc, she's out with this op-ed defending the committee where she says in part that the select committee will demonstrate in hearings later this year no foreign power corrupted america's voting machines and no massive secret fraud changed the election outcome. those two lines are really important because these are two things that former presidents and his supporters continue to say even though they are accurate and false. it sounds like the committee is not only going to detail what they have learned about the former president and his role

leading up to and on january 6th but really trying to debunk all of the other misinformation that's out there, kristen. >> and, of course, coming against the backdrop of a mid term election year all eyes will be on that report. great panel starting us off. garrett haake, leigh ann caldwell and luke. thank you for your reporting. we want to go to the other end of the 1600 pennsylvania avenue and next hour president biden will take another important step to find a replacement for retiring breyer. he'll meet to talk about the way forward. we caught up earlier today with senator patrick lahey who will be in the room for the meeting. >> i expect we'll have someone extremely qualified and i'll be -- >> the latest reporting hatz a dozen or so black women are

described as being under consideration. with that i want to bring in my colleague mike memoli who has been working his sources around the clock and everything that relates to the president. mike, what do we know about this meeting how important is it and where is the president in this process? >> well, first of all, kristen, i think it's quite remarkable when you consider usual frenzy of speculation that surrounds a supreme court search like this has been overshadowed by some of the other major storylines that we've been covering on a daily basis. the situation in ukraine and covid headlines and the economic news today. but i think that's exactly where the president and the white house team likes it. this is a process that they have said they want to see get back to sort of the usual the lower temperature, not the kind of heated pitch battles we saw in the trump era or even in the final year of president obama's term. this is a key moment, kristen, because the meeting of the 11 democrats is the biggest single gathering that we know president biden has convened to talk about

this. as we talk about the traditional role of advice and consent of the senate, is this more a meeting about advice or getting closer to the consent phase here? in other words, is the president coming in still soliciting some names from the member of the committee whose votes will be key to this process or maybe at the point where he can run through a shorter version of that longer list that we showed just a few minutes ago. in terms of the search for it, it stands former senator doug jones who has been named as the nomination adviser by the white house sometimes called the sherpa. he started on his job this week and interestingly, typically that role is somebody who comes in after the fact when the nominee has been selected to guide them through the senate pros. but a former senator, but someone who has known biden for years the president wants his advice and feedback throughout this process, as well. we know the search is under way and also listening to hear what lester holt may have gotten out of the president on this subject with the interview that was happening today. >> we'll all be curious to hear

what president biden has to say in response to lester's questions on this topic. no doubt about that. we keep hearing about bipartisanship. the importance of bipartisanship in this process. here we are with the president meeting only with democrats and he, of course, several days ago did meet with the committee chairs including chuck grassley who is a republican. how important and how realistic does the white house think it is to get bipartisan support for the president's pick? >> obviously, that's the president's goal here. he has said that he wants to get this process back to one in which can also be serving as restoring confidence in the court which has become so polarized and some candidates who have been through the confirmation process already and have gotten republican votes. certainly a factor. we know jim clyburn has a big voice in this put forward a candidate who thinks can get some votes. the president beyond the meetings of sort that we're seeing today he also met with senator chuck grassley and has been phoning individual senators

from time to time, as well. including some republicans. "the washington post" reported that mitt romney actually receiving one of those phone calls and sounded like a path for him to get to a yes vote on a potential nominee. so certainly something the white house is going to consider strongly as they consider the shrinking list for the supreme court, kristen. >> i know it's going to keep you, myself and all our colleagues at the white house very busy from now until the president announces his pick. mike memoli, thank you for that. thanks for joining us. more on the meeting coming up. one on one with the chair with the judiciary committee. first a market check in. how wall street is reacting to the highest rate of inflation in 40 years. and how how much it's all costing you. that's when we come right back. stay with us. s all costing you. that's when we come right back stay with us

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another month, another spike in inflation rates. this morning, the bureau of

labor statistics reporting a 7.5% increase over the last year. that is the largest spike since 1982. president down play the numbers in a statement reminding that forecasters see inflation as, quote, easing by the end of the year. the news giving wall street a bit of a scare with all the indexes down around 1.5%. a wall street journal report found that higher prices are costing consumers $250 more on average per month. i spoke to one virginia business owner who described the toll price increases have taken on her business. >> i still have electricity to pay for. the lights don't go off here. okay. i mean, i still have vendors that are having to be paid and employees. and you just, it's very difficult. i used to have savings. i don't have it any more. personal savings. >> and i will have more of that

interview coming up on nbc "nightly news." joining me to discuss this kayla. we are often at the white house tracking these developments and as you and i know, we're in briefing after briefing where press secretary jen psaki continues to insist and has insisted in the past it's a temporary problem and that ultimately it is going to get better. but here we are at the super bowl. items are up. super bowl parties are going to cost more. did the white house miscalculate this? was this not a temporary problem and the fact that here we are in february still dealing with this? does it underscore that point. >> i think, kristen, the question is how do you define temporary. the white house began shifting this messaging and acknowledging a longer term problem back around october when you heard the treasury secretary saying that inflation would not ease until the middal to the end to end of 2022. the problem is they're pointing to the same forecast that led

them astray in 2021 and they were expecting inflation to be a fraction of where it actually came in. the white house has now exhausted nearly all the tools had it available to it and now laying inflation squarely at the feet of the federal reserve saying that monetary policy needs to be recalibrated and that it's the right time to do that but essentially an acknowledgment that not that much left the white house can do and still pointing to the promise of it easing by the end of this year. >> when you think about tools in the tool kit you have to think about the fed potentially increasing rates. tell me what you're watching for and anticipating and, of course, the challenges to address these inflation numbers without pushing the economy into a recession, right? >> right. and that's exactly the issue here, kristen. the fed has signaled that it's going to start raising interest rates around mid march and what raising interest rates does is it essentially puts a limit on the amount of demand that consumers have. maybe they'll start buying a little less. prices would go down because

it's not just as red hot out in the economy and the white house wants to be careful not to slow the economy too much by doing that. the other issue, kristen, is that the chair of the federal reserve is now as of this past saturday in an acting capacity. he has not been confirmed for a second term. and i've talked to so many white house officials, administration officials past and present woo note the most powerful tool the administration would have had to fight inflation would have been getting that nomination in the hopper much sooner, months sooner than they did. getting him confirmed and allowing him to steer this battleship with the role of confirmed captain. >> that's a great analogy. i think there is going to be an intensifying pressure on the administration to make sure that does get done. i'm glad you bring that up. look, the white house is out with a statement today talking about their plan to lower inflation and they talk about the importance of dealing with the supply chain crisis and then getting elements of what was once called the build back better act passed. we know it is going to pass in

different pieces. but here you have moderate democratic senator joe manchin who essentially blew up the build back better talks several months ago out with another tough statement about inflation today. let's take a listen to what he has to say and we'll do some analysis on the other side. >> this is not a time to be throwing more fuel on the fire. we have inflation and we have basically an economy that is on fire. you don't throw more fuel on the fire that is already on fire causing the problems that we have. >> does that spell trouble for president biden getting any more pieces of his agenda passed? he wants to try to lower child care cost and health care. how does he get it done? >> depends on which pieces they try to put forward in the last couple weeks. the white house held corporate executives here to talk to the president and one piece they were talking about $300 billion in clean energy tax credits. that is something that has broad bipartisan support and could be

something that we could see passed as a stand alone. on the child care provisions, the administration has long argued that some of these things will ease long-term inflation but they won't cause inflation because the spending is spread over ten years and when you look at it spread over ten years compared to the overall economy, it's relatively small. and you hear another argument from economists who say one of the issues with inflation is you don't have enough workers in the economy producing the things that people are buying and so that creates an element of scarcity that drives up. if you get more affordable child care you get women back into the workforce and produce more goods and prices go down. it depends on the exact details of the tenants that we're talking about going forward. trillions of dollars in relief that has already gone forward and senator manchin was onboard with most of that even though he did cry inflation about the

build back better package. >> cnbc kayla you always make us smarter on these very complicated issues. thank you so much for your great reporting. i appreciate it. coming up next, the latest from the cdc as more states drop their mask mandates. plus nbc news getting a look at new u.s. intel detailing what exactly a russian invasion might look like and how long it could take russian tanks to reach ukraine's capital. you want to stick around for that. s capital. you want to stick around for that quickbooks can help. an easy way to get paid, pay your staff, and know where your business stands. new business? no problem. success starts with intuit quickbooks.

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and now to the pandemic and more states joining the list of those rolling back mask requirements. nevada's governor this afternoon announcing the indoor mask requirement for most places would be lifted immediately while connecticut will be lifting its mandate later this month. this despite no change in masking guidance from the cdc. the agency's director saying, quote, we are not there yet. new guidance is likely being developed. nationwide new covid cases are at their lowest seven-day average since the end of december and 28 states report an increase in deaths during the past two weeks. with me now to discuss this

medical director of covid isolation and quarantine sites for housing works. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. so i guess the first question is just what should the cdc be taking into consideration as they look at their current masking guidelines? >> yeah, good to be with you, kristen. so, look, wearing a mask really depends on where you live at this point. remember, nearly 20% of state never had a mask mandate to begin with and even some states penalized and incorporate safety measures for their students and staff and now in response to a major drop in covid cases states such as delaware and illinois and california are really trying to ease those mask mandates. so, some health experts believe that easing masking restrictions in highly vaccinated communities is not unreasonable. but to your point, the cdc has not changed its guidelines. only they still recommend anyone

age 2 and above to wear a mask indoors if they're not fully vaccinated and boosted. and as a reminder, kristen, to your viewers that only 42% of eligible americans are fully vaccinated and boosted. while dr. walensky said her agency is considering updating the guidance while cases are trending in the right direction rsh she did remind us that hospitalizations and death rates are still pretty high. and a reminder that yesterday over a little over 3,000 people in the united states died from covid. we just need to really balance these pros and cons and really look at the right metrics, kristen. >> dr. roy, very quickly, what should parents and families be considering when they are going out and thinking about whether or not they should be masking? >> i'm so glad you asked about parents and children because a really important reminder is that schools, i mean, look, masks are clearly working. especially schools that had masking measures in place had far lower cases of covid and we

know studies show that long covid is absolutely affecting children. it would be irresponsible of governing bodies to not protect children and make sure they don't get covid. it's our collective responsibility to protect kids and if that means masking especially for kids who are still ineligible to get vaccines, i think we should still protect them particularly in communities where vaccination rate is low and community transmission is high, kristen. >> we really appreciate all of your great advice dr. lipi roy, thank you so much. we want to turn now to the situation overseas. boris johnson said that crisis has grown into the most dangerous moment for europe in decades. the dire assessment comes as russian troops conduct new military exercises in belarus and at sea. something deputy secretary of state wendy sherman told our andrea mitchell is another cause for alarm.

>> an escalation, not a de-escalation. of course, the timing is suspicious and alarming and we are very concerned that president putin may make the wrong choice. >> nbc news has also newert roing on the u.s. military and intelligence assessment that find russia could take nine different routes as part of a full-scale invasion of ukraine. courtney kube is at the pentagon with that new reporting and we're joined by retired four-star admiral former supreme ally commander of nato and msnbc chief security and diplomacy analyst. thanks to both of you for being here. courtney, i have to start with you and your new reporting. this new assessment of what a potential attack could look like by russia. it's a pretty dire picture, courtney. >> yeah, it is. so, there's two, we should start this by saying it's not clear what vladimir putin has decided to do here. but if he does decide to do a large-scale invasion of ukraine,

two of the options that the u.s. military and u.s. intelligence are looking at are double envelopment. they're coming in from multiple sides. we have a map that lays out the locations where they believe russian military would potentially move across the border. so, this would all start most likely from the air. air strikes. missile strikes. artillery strikes from across the border. the russian military could move in from several different sides potentially from the north moving down potentially from belarus and roug russia and dowo the capital kyiv. there are six different routes they can take from the east and the southeast that would bring them potentially all the way over to the river. that would essentially take over about 50% of ukraine's military, if they were to take that territory. now the officials that we spoke with said most likely what they

would do here is move in some of these cities and surround them potentially setting up checkpoints but not necessarily go in and strike the cities and destroying infrastructure and causing potentially a tremendous amount of civilian casualties here but they would still be able to take over the territory. another area they're looking at is potential air assault from crimia. that's in the south. that is already an occupied area. they could potentially helicopters, artillery strikes and then even a naval strike from down there to take the black sea coast and the sea. this has the potential if russia would go forward from these nine probable routes of attack the u.s. is calling it. russia could take over essentially almost half of ukraine, even ukraine in literally a matter of days, kristen. >> just staggering to think about. really extraordinary reporting. admiral, can i just get your reaction to what courtney mapped

out. the fact that russia, if it, in fact, does decide to move forward and invade would do so and potentially be able to infiltrate from nine different areas. >> well, i think courtney gave you war college 101 and this is really what students go and study for nine months and i'm going to just kind of add one thing and under line one thing. the thing i'm going to add is the first thing that will cross these borders is not going to be air and not going to be missiles and not going to be tanks, it's going to be electrons. the very first thing will be a series of cyberattacks that will go after the command and control networks and create massive confusion and undermine the ability of ukrainian high command to control their own forces. so, that will be the opening. that will be followed by the kinetic items that courtney discussed. the thing i'm going to draw a line under is maritime activity.

you know theed a admiral is going to say that. russian warships surrounding that entire southern coast. that allows them in effect to get behind the forces and cut off the forces. a way to think about this, kristen, think about how abraham lincoln invaded the south during the civil war here in the united states. he went from many different vectors and he ultimately choked everything off with something called like a snake that incircled the south and brought those vectors together. it's a deadly force that ukraine is facing. >> admiral, very quickly, is there still a path for diplomacy despite this massive build up that we're seeing? >> yes, there is. absolutely. i think it's a diminishing opportunity but here's some good news. today in what's called the normandy format, that's france,

germany, russia, ukraine. those four nations coming together relatively low level. i think that is the best path for a diplomatic resolution here. let's hope vladimir putin appreciates how dangerous this would be for him in reacting to economic sanctions and potential war fighting responses from the ukrainians. >> all right. let's hope so. courtney kube, admiral james, thank you very much. next, we'll go inside president biden's meeting next hour with democrats on the senate judiciary committee and the chair of that committee joins us live right after a quick break. stay with us. t after a quick break. quick break. stay with us we can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspac

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durbin, the democrat from illinois. senator, thanks so much for joining me this hour. really appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> set the table here. what are your expectations for this meeting? what is the agenda? what is your message going to be to the president? >> first, i can tell you it's a comfortable setting for the president. he spent a great deal of his senate career as chair of the senate judiciary committee and as a member of the committee. i spoke to his chief of staff about the meeting and i said i hope it doesn't inconvenience the president and the chief of staff said he has been looking forward to. he wants to hear what's going on in the senate on capitol hill. friendly atmosphere and we have important issues. historic choice to fill a vacancy on the supreme court and questions on how we're going to support our men and women in law enforcement. so many things that we can get into and i know it's going to be an open opportunity for all the members of the committee. >> the president has, as you know, long talked about the importance of bipartisanship. if you consider that against the backdrop of some of the bruising

battles we've seen over supreme court nominees recently. i want to ask you about how important bipartisanship is to the president and to you. let me just set the scene, though. this is what republican senator lindsey graham had to say earlier today. >> whatever the president does we'll respond to. it's up to him. i had my thoughts about michelle childs i think she's highly qualified and get bipartisan support if she did well at the hearing. >> he continues to talk about judge michelle childs from south carolina, his home state. how important is bipartisanship, senator? >> i think it is important. i think it's good for the senate and good for the supreme court if we have a bipartisan vote. and lindsay and i worked on a lot of things in the past that surprises many of my friends and family. but we really do cooperate and he's made it clear that the senators both republican senators from south carolina look favorably on this one nominee, judge childs.

there are other nominees we had reported and some we probably don't even know the names of at this moment. i want to keep an open mind. i want to try to give the president his opportunity to pick someone who will make history in the right way. >> and speaking of judge childs, i do want to ask you about some criticisms she's getting. some progressives raising concerns about her past time on the court, concern that she has too often come down on the side of corporations and not the workers themselves. senator bernie sanders said this broad statement. you want somebody who is reflective of the needs of working families and understands that we're moving towards an olgarky. in other words, would she be someone who republicans could get on board with and also progressives? >> i'm not prepared to make judgment on any of the nominees at this point. i think the president makes his selection and then we take a close look at it. that's how the process goes.

but at this point to give pluses and minuses to the nominees, i don't think that's productive. >> do you have a sense of how short the short list is? we have reported that it's less than 12 names, is it smaller than that, senator? >> i don't know. i bet you a nickel there are names on the president's list that we don't know at this point. that's his prerogative. that's his right. i want him to consider all the nominees and make the best judgment he can. >> you're confident he can make a pick by the end of this month as he said he wants to. >> i have my fingers crossed. i want him to do the right thing and take the time do it well. the committee will communicate that to the president. we got our committee staff prepared to start reviewing the nominee that he sends forward. >> let me shift quickly to the crisis in ukraine, obviously, something that the senate is watching and wrestling with as is the white house. based on our reporting, the

talks over this latest sanctions package are at a stalemate. how big of a set back is that? is that how you view the current state of the talks right now? >> well, i can tell you from the senate perspective, bob menendes i thought came up with an excellent bill that really made it clear that the price be paid by russia if they invade ukraine. we couldn't reach a bipartisan agreement on that. i don't think it is an indication of real divide in the senate in terms of our opposition to putin, but we couldn't come up with the language in short order. i don't want to give up on that undertaking. i think we ought to make it clear we aren't giving up on diplomacy either. if we can find a way to resolve this issue and make sure the sovereignty of ukraine is respected and bring the russian threat to bear, that is going to be a step in the right direction for the peace in europe. >> all right. senator dick durbin, thank you so much for talking to us on what is a very busy afternoon for you. we really appreciate it.

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looks like the maryland gop is creating its own fight club. "washington post" reporting that there is inner party conflict. maryland state delegate dan cox calling for moderate governor hogan's impeachment. this is all right after the governor decided not to run for senate. cox saying that hogan should be impeached for violations of the separation of powers, theft of the people's liberty and property, and abuse of power under false pre-senses. those are big claims. hogan has a long history of not being a former president trump's favorite. he constantly insults the governor and calls hogan a r.i.n.o., republican in name only. joining us now to discuss is maryland politics reporter, erin cox. thanks so much for being here.

let's talk about how realistic this is. we know that governor hogan actually has a very high approval rating, 69%, second highest in the country. and i know you've been working your sources on this story. so what are they telling you about how realistic an impeachment actually is? >> honestly, not clear that this will even see anything but a drawer in the committee room. the democrats who dominate both chambers of the maryland legislature have called this the worst type of political theater. there is not really an appetite to go through the paces of putting larry hogan on trial for something that most democrats supported in the first place. and given that they make up three-fifths of both chambers, it is hard to see how time and energy is going to be spent on what is essentially an internal republican rift. >> let's talk about hogan's decision to remove the mask mandate in schools. here is what hogan is saying, we must learn to live with this

virus, not in fear of it. to what extent is this decision to remove the mask mandates being viewed as potentially political coming against this backdrop of this rift that we're talking about? >> right, so the governor actually doesn't have authority to remove the mask mandate. he is encouraging the school board to do so. and he as recently as a few days ago said that he wasn't going to apply that pressure but at the same time this impeachment article came out, he decided to kind of press forward with removing this. and you know, as hogan goes -- gets closer and closer to the end of his term, he is taking more and more positions that seem like that they would appeal to rank and file republican voters including getting rid of masks as soon as the science allows us. and a lot of other states, not necessarily liberal bastions, have also already walked back some mask mandates both in public and in schools. and so his step here is kind of partly signaling that he is an ally to people who are not

willing to take the most cautious approach to the pandemic -- excuse me, the most cautious -- yeah, the most cautious approach. that he is suggesting now is the time to kind of ease back things. >> and i think that it is such a fascinating piece because it does highlight part of the tensions within the republican party that we continue to report on. erin cox, thank you so much. appreciate it. and thank you for watching this hour. i'm kristen welker. "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. " starts " starts after a quick break.wanted to talk about insurance? i said, "i want you to talk about insurance." well, most people know that bundling home and auto -saves you money. -keep saying your words. but did you know that new customers who bundle and save with progressive can save an average of $800? shh. sleeping baby.

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