good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports in washington" with the exclusive wide-ranging interview with president biden. on the crisis in ukraine. the president with another message for vladimir putin as he holds a call this morning, as the president holds a call this morning with nato leaders and president zelensky huddles about the invasion threat. >> look, i've spoken with putin, i've spoken to every nato leader. i've brought them together like i think they've never been so coordinated in modern history. the question is he has to know if he does, the entire circumstance for russia changes worldwide, changes overnight. the cost to russia both in terms of reputational cost and economic cost would be profound. >> on the coronavirus, the president stood by the cdc, which is sticking to its indoor

mask recommendation, even as more democratic governors relax in their states, in response to plunges in positive cases. >> are you concerned some states and cities are moving too quickly to loosen indoor mask mandates? >> i committed i would follow the science. the science as put forward by the cdc and the federal people. and i think it's probably premature but it's a tough call. >> and a candid admission by president biden on his fail dwroor pass the multitrillion dollar social spending bill, denying democrats a key selling point for the midterms. >> you said people didn't know what was in the bill. is that a messaging problem on your behalf? >> yes. i think it was. >> you haven't sold it well, you think? >> i like the way you phrase things. i haven't sold it well. >> we begin with the crisis in ukraine. joining us chief foreign

correspondent, richard engel, kelly o'donnell and peter baker. previously a moscow bureau chief at the time. you can certainly sense the urgency from the nato call today, secretary blinken overnight from australia saying it could happen before the olympics, at any time. tell us what's happening at the white house? the mood seems to be shifting to the inevitably of an invasion? >> reporter: well, certainly the tempo of activity related to ukraine and russia has increased. we know that last evening there was a situation room briefing on these issues with the national security team. we know that right now the president is scheduled to be involved in that phone conference with a wide array of nato leaders from europe but also a wider group of partners including, not only the european partners most closely involved

like romania and poland and the european union officials and yan from nato. so, this is an opportunity for the president to be talking about what they have learned, which we understand includes the additional satellite imagery that they've been able to see to look at the ongoing build up as pentagon officials have been saying they've been watching the progress of russia adding capabilities militarily. and looking at some of the strategic clues that come from that when they see where vladimir putin and his russian forces have put their resources and what that suggests about halfway to an invasion if they were to take that action. we expect also today, andrea, to hear from jake sullivan, the national security advisor at the white house briefing. he comes to talk to reporters when there is something important to say. it is not drop by to just check in.

it suggests there is something significant he wants to talk about and he'll be taking questions. so, i look at that as another marker in perhaps developments, perhaps progress, perhaps some change in the state of affairs concerning what the u.s. and perhaps western allies are viewing on this and where they are in terms of expectations about what russia may do. andrea. >> and richard, what are you seeing from your perspective? president zelensky's meeting with top defense officials. a signal that something might be hanning soon? >> so when the ukrainian militarily, which has been very cautious, has been following the zelensky line that there's really nothing to see here, is starting to express more concern. they're talking how the separatists in eastern ukraine are starting to get their forces ready, which fits with what local ukrainian commanders were

telling me, that they were hearing the separatist drilling with their military and now they're officially recognizing that it is not just the army, the russian army to the north, south, the navy, but also the separatists movement backed by russia getting themselves ready. so, there is a sinking feeling that it's a possibility. when you walk on the streets, people don't feel it, they don't express it. they're not in a panic. they're in suspended disbelief that the situation is going to evolve and there's going to be any kind of war here. but you do, when you listen on the white house officials and hear more concern that something could be imminent. there had been this belief that if anything were to happen, it would happen after the olympic games in respect to china.

but then you heard that statement from secretary of state blinken saying it might be before the olympics closing ceremony. and there is one key vote on monday, the russian parliament is expected to vote on the 14th on monday whether or not to recognize russian presence or the russian autonomy of those separatist areas. so, things seem to be moving ahead quite quickly, perhaps even faster than the u.s. timeline predicted, which is putting potential activity closer to the closing ceremonies or even afterwards. >> and richard, do you see any increase in russian disinformation, propaganda, on either side of the border? >> reporter: there's talk about a critical mass event. there consistent russian propaganda and consistent russian messaging that this

troop build up that is there is strictly defensive in nature; that it is there because the ukrainians are about to launch a imminent attack or nato is trying to bully russia and bully vladimir putin. that's the way it has been consistently presented on russian television every night. but there's not been this critical moment with one incident where the russian media have gone into overdrive and focussed on one particular provocative act. just the steady message that this is a defensive nature to defend russia against nato and ukraine. >> from all your years watching vladimir putin, how do you read his constant escalation? we've seen dramatic steps. so-called -- moving medical supplies. a lot of signs something is developing.

certainly not a deescalation as wendy sherman was saying yesterday. >> nothing subtle about this, obviously. vladimir putin knows what the signs are meant to be seen as. he's pushing every button he possibly can to get ukraine's attention, the world's attention and he's got it. the question is what do you intend to do? is he really going to go all the way? that's something that, frankly, nobody knows for sure. even u.s. intelligence, as confident as they are about their information, can't tell you what's inside vladimir putin's mind. he has to know there are consequences and consequences to russia. the conventional army may obviously have an edge over the ukrainian army in a conventional sense but it wouldn't just end there. he would be buying a situation that would last for years in which russian soldiers would be tasked with killing their slavic

brothers. that's a big deal. is he willing to do that? possibly. i think what he's swhoeg the indications in the last few days and last 24 hours is he wants everybody to know he's serious. and that he's not going to simply back off unless he gets something. we just don't know what the something could be. what would be enoof sayne, we'l. the demands on the table are unreasonable in terms of what nato and the west is willing to do. >> peter and richard, of course, and kelly, thanks to all of you for starting us off. and joining me now is retired four-star marine, john allen, recent eappointed to the board of visitors at the u.s. naval academy by president biden. thank you very much. so, based on all the reporting, what is your analysis as to what russia might be doing?

>> well, andrea, great to see you. great to be with you again. i think peter hit it well. the reputation that putin has had for many years is he's a very skilled tactical player. i think it's important that we take a step back and remember that ukraine is a sovereign country. with its own identity. with a people that don't view themselves as a post soviet vasal state. they have their own identity and it's been a friendly country for us and country that has not posed any threat to russia. so, this is a completely contrived crisis on the part of vladimir putin. and to peter's point what does he want out of this? so, war is hard. war in the winter is really hard. it's horrific in many respects. and in an environment where the

ukraine is not actually threatening russia's security or that of belarus, is the influence that vladimir putin is achieving, by this enormous build up of conventional military power, is the influence that he is achieving in destabilizing the sense of security stability in europe potentially unnerving nato, in his own mind. it's not hanning actually. have those calculations been achieved by the military build up? i think all that is, at heart, what he hopes to achieve. increase russia's influence over near abroad, which is ukraine. increase presence in europe and

increase russia influence in the world more broadly while diminishing the u.s. influence. i think if he doesn't attack ukraine, he will have achieved that. if he does attack ukraine i, think everything changes for him. >> i want to ask about the risk to americans still in ukraine. we know of about 7500 or a lot more not registered with the state department. so, unless you're asked about the realistic options to rescue them. this is the exchange. >> what scenarios would you put american troops to rescue and get americans out? >> there's not. that's a world war when americans and russia start shooting at one another, we're in a different world we've been in. >> not even on simply vacuating americans? >> how do you even find them? what i've asked is american citizens should leave, leave now. we're dealing one of the largest

armies in the world. this is a very different situation and things could go crazy quickly. >> the president could not have been clearer. >> uh-huh. well, he's correct. in a moment like this, where we have two enormous thermo nuclear powers conceivably squaring off at a military level, in the event the russians decide to hold some large number of americans hostage, if you will, should they invade, that takes us to the nuclear edge. and the president's very clear on that, i think. was the right thing to do to call for the ordered withdraw of the families from the embassy some time ago. the shar jay did that and made a good c it's not abandoning ukraine if americans depart right now because this is a major crisis. but should the fighting start,

we need reduce the vulnerability of americans as much a we possibly can. and barring some horrendous atrocity where russian troops might take large numbers of westerners, not ukrainians. and inflict some form of an atrocity on them, i think we're in a pretty difficult security situation. so, calling on americans for an orderly departure now is good. one of the other aspects i think important to remember is there was not an insignificant dimension of soviet doctrine, now russian doctrine, that talked about the strategic employment of refugee columns and i think we should remember in 2015, just 2 million refugees in europe really played an enormous role in effecting european politics and european economic stability.

imagine millions of ukrainians being driven across the border by the russians in the middle of the winter? that would create quite a crisis, a humanitarian crisis, maybe even a catastrophe. so, trying to get ahead of that, as the president has talked about, with respect to american presence and i, would suspect western presence. we're still providing security assistance to them. we're not abandoning ukraine. american leadership in diplomacy has been very clear and obvious. i think the situation is being handled about as well as it can be right now. >> retired president, john allen, thank you very much. >> good to see you. >> and top secret. the classified documents reportedly removed from the white house by donald trump. also missing official records of his phone calls while the capitol was under attack. this is msnbc. e capitol was under attack this is msnbc.

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"washington post" is reporting that some white house records that donald trump took to mar-a-lago were clearly marked classified, including some at the top secret level. this as phone logs obtained by the january 6th committee don't show calls to or from president trump during the attack on the capital. he's known to have phone calls during those hours. so, what happened? joining me is lean caldwell and chief correspondent for tbs news hour and washington burrow chief for "u.s.a. today." the documents labelled classified down at mar-a-lago raise a lot of questions and also the absence of the phone records. could be he was using his or another cell phone, which he did at times. but what is the january 6th committee looking at? >> it's become clear that the

former president and the trump white house was not very great at keeping records or perhaps skirting records. we don't know yet and that's one of the questions the january 6th select committee has. you're right, if donald trump, during those hours' long gap of phone records on january 6th, if he was using a cell phone or those documents weren't turned over to the national archives and maybe they're still at mar-a-lago or there's a possibility the national archives haven't turned over that set of documents. they have a lot of questions about this. obviously they want to piece together what happened on that day on who the former president spoke to and when. and without those records or with that gap, it raises a lot of questions. especially since they know he

spoke with at least two people because those conversations have been made public. >> and jeff, let's talk about the january 6th committee. why is it so important for them to fill that gap? they know there were calls from mccarthy and jim jordan. they're loathe to subpoena them. they've invited them but that's not going to happen. there were others he was talking to. >> that's right. and the reason they need to know with whom the president was speaking is because they want to get a sense of what his reaction was. the committee is trying to piece together a narrative, not just around what happened january 6th but what happened before and lead to violent assault on the u.s. capitol and the president's conversations can go long way to stitching together that narrative. some what's so interesting is statutes like the presidential records act and the hatch act, they really are no match for a president like former president

donald trump, who flouted and ignored norms and traditions almost at every turn. the presidential records act has no enforcement mechanism, no criminal provision. even though i'm told by the national archives referred the case to the doj. the referral does not obligate the justice department to do much of anything and the national archives has no criminal enforcement authority. so, the remedy, if there is going to be one, is largely political and yet donald trump has an 80% approve rating within the republican party. i'll tell you this as well. you have lawmakers like adam schiff, who sits on the january 6th committee who has said if that reporting from the "post" last night that the former president took materials that were clearly labelled top secret; that if that is in fact true, the justice department will have to investigate. he said it would be intolerable for the doj to have investigated

hillary clinton for her handling of sensitive documents and effectively give donald trump a pass. >> and in fact, that was the fbi investigation, especially in the late days, 11 days before the election, the reopening of that investigation, the fbi and closure of it that had a critical effect on any momentum she had to close the gap. so, it was very important in the decision. susan, liz cheney said that the january 6th committee is not going to be intimidated, she wrote in the "wall street journal." those who do not wish the truth of january 6th to come out have claimed it's tainted and political. our hearings will show this to be wrong and we'll present those facts without exaggeration, no matter what criticism we face. she's not backing down, despite the political assault. she's been isolated from the republican party and not going to events back home.

she seems completely committed to this track no matter what the political attacks on her. >> yeah. for better or worse, i think her dye is cast with seeking and demanding questions on what happened january 6th, criticizing what president trump's role in that was. and i think she's right. the january 6th committee will not be intimidated but they phase what could be a real deadline with the midterm elections. because if republicans win control of the house, they are unlikely to continue this inquiry. so, they have a real deadline looming in front of them, andrea. >> and turning to the supreme court, let's listen to what president biden told lester holt about the short lirs. list. >> what i've done is i've taken about four people and done the deep dive on the meaning, the thorough background checks and see if there's anything in the

background that would make them not qualify. >> so, susan, we were really primarily looking at three people. we don't know exactly how much he's narrowed it down. but those three seem to be very much involved, as he begins to dig deeper in the background and we're told we'll soon start personal meetings. >> very fast track. we expect personal meetings to be next week. an announcement could come as soon as the week following. the president met with key senators and they encouraged him to move as quickly as possible to move ahead with conformation hearings before we get fwha to the midterm election year. >> garret and jeff and susan, thanks so much. and road rage, covid fatigue fuelling trucker protests in canada and uniting supply chain issues on the other side of the border and actually putting more

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president biden, as we were just discussing, has a list of top contenders and the three top contenders are ketanji jackson and -- according to three sources familiar with the process and his deadline of doing this in february with state of the union on march 1st. there's a lot at stake for the president to get this done quickly. meanwhile, inflation is giving americans sticker shock, surging to 7.5% annual growth, levels not seen in 40 years. in his interview with president biden, lester holt asked how long higher prices are going to stick around? >> it's going to start to taper off as we go through this year. i think what you're going to see is a gradual reduction in inflation over time. in the meantime, i'm going to do everything in my power to deal

with what's impacting most people in their homes. >> joining us now are dave udwatson and senior editor for the political report and buck, former communications adviser to speakers boehner and ryan. in particular, you were writing, i think two weeks ago, that the democrats were building on their advantage from redistricting, at least. that they were evening the playing field on that score. has that changed because the alabama supreme court decision? >> well, look, where we are in terms of president biden's approve rating, that's called democratic wipeout territory. that hasn't changed. the redistricting outlook has got better. for it's harder to get more republican than at the

maps passed last decade. they've taken advantage of opportunities to gerrymander and got favorable statecourt rulings and they are benefitting from commission-drawn states like california and new jersey and michigan. but when you put that together, that might net democrats two or three seats verses the current map. if biden is where he is today in october, that could be worth several dozen seats for republicans and they only need five to take back the house. >> so, let's talk about new york before we move on to brendan because some republicans are really calling it unconstitutional because the map, particularly that gerrymander district from the upper west side of manhattan and snakes to brooklyn, that's a pretty extraordinary gerrymander. you hear so much about the republican gerrymandering but the republicans have figured it out for themselves too. >> absolutely. democrats claim they have the

moral high ground on the issue because they requested nationwide gerrymandering reform in congress and the republicans have rejected that. there are egregious examples of gerrymandering on both sides. districts that seem to defy contranewty. and we're heading to fewer seats than we've had in the modern era. they don't have incentive to have candidates with a broad field and there's going to be a greater incentive than ever to play towards your party's base, which is why we're heading for a great purge of trump decenters on the primary side. >> and you heard him saying they should take the wins you can get and doesn't have to wine about the stuff you can't change. seems to be a direct hit on the way they spent the whole summer

worrying about and complaining about joe manchin and kristen sinema and not going ahead with what they could actually legislate. >> he has a point and it's wild to me that democrats, including speaker pelosi and president biden continue to talk about the build back better act like that is still a thing. it's clearly not. and what's maddening, if you're a democrat, is there's a deal to be had. there are things they can get done. they seem to not want to break it to supporters that things are going to have to get tossed o democrats are in a bad spot nationally. and if there was ever a moment to pivot to say we're going to move into a new normal, we have case loads plummeting. last week you had a jobs report where people are coming back to the workforce. talk bougt small ball things you're doing in congress probably isn't going to get you there. what they need to do is move into a new era and what you're

seeing is there's -- they're saying we're going to put the pandemic behind us and go to a new normal where we're feeling good about where we're headed instead of dwelling on the things that are bad and so much of what democrats have been doing is dwelling. and dwelling is not a very inspiring message. >> and there is actual bipartisan work getting done. they acted on the violence against women act. they've done a number of things, smaller things admittedly, where both sides seem to be indicating they want to put some scores on the board. >> yeah, i think bipartisan legislating is still possible. i think they're going to do something on the electoral counting act. the biggest thing they did was a bipartisan infrastructure bill. but those are small in comparison to the big problems the president is facing and you talked about them. inflation, supply chains and the pandemic. and there's only so much they

can do about that but at some point they need to will this back to normal, if you will. and bipartisan wins are great. but i think they really need to think bigger and paint with broader colors. >> well, thanks to both of you. david wauserman and brendan buck. and coming up mask confusion. president biden weighing in on how the shifts are adding to anxiety americans have been feeling the last two years. bee feeling the last two years so yoy for what you need. wooo, yeaa, woooooo and, by switching you could even save 665 dollars. hey tex, can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. yeah. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ my asthma felt anything but normal.

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think we're in a better place than we've been for several months in terms of widespread availability, rapid tests, we're seeing cases decline. i think these governors starting to remove restrictions and have off ramps are fighting in the right current. this is what we're going to see. and it's going to take time for the cdc guidance to lag. i do think we've got a lot of flexibility as we move to the endemic stage of this pandemic. >> we're also seeing protests in new york over mandates. a key vaccine mandate deadline is hitting new york city today. and the city could fire up to 3,000 municipal workers. that's less than 1% but a lot of people. what is your message to public workers who still choose not to get vaccinated? >> i would tell them that the vaccine is the best way to prevent them from having severe death and hospitalization from covid-19 and the city of new

york, because they employ them, can set the terms. the vaccine provides personal value to your life, increases the resiliency of your workplace and should be something more employers require of their employees as we see how ben benficial they are at putting the pandemic behind us. >> thank you very much. hope you have a great weekend. thanks for being with us. and a sky high finish. noboarding legend, shaun white, closing out his olympic career. an emotional farewell. osing outr an emotional farewell.

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didn't finish the signature events. the world watching her sitting on the slopes heartbroken. she competed admirably at super g. in her words she was relieved o finish a clean and efficient race. as for shaun white, today was his swan song. even though he didn't win a medal, he came quite close, ended up in fourth place. white teary-eyed afterward, thanking everybody for his support as his competitors lined up one by one to give him a hug after his last run. and many tuning in to see what's going to happen in women's figure skating. there is an urgent hearing to see if kamila valiyeva will be able to compete after testing

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what are you looking at? >> reporter: that's exactly right, andrea. the energy here in the l.a. area is off the charts. the rams are coming into the super bowl slightly favored. they have the more experienced quarterback. you look at the beautiful building behind me, they're playing in their home stadium. but i was at the nfl live experience last night. that's where the fans go before the game and engage in different activities in the convention center, and all the rams fans that i talked to mentioned one name and that was joe burrow. time after time they have been the underdog. we know that the cincinnati public schools have already moved a scheduled day off to the monday after the super bowl.

that is a city that is ready to celebrate. we know obviously there's also what's happening outside of the game. there's the halftime show star-studded performance. billie jean king is participating in the ceremonial coin toss. a lot of excitement there. a lot of the fans plan to come out and show support. so many of them telling them they're firing up their grill this weekend. they plan to cheer on their team. >> let's talk about covid and what protections there are, what are the protocols for the game, the covid testing? >> reporter: before you given get in the game, you need to present that proof of vaccination or recent negative covid test. the nfl is trying to make this as easy as possible for people. outside of that fan experience yesterday, we saw they had a free rapid testing, a center so fans could go in, get that test result within 15 minutes they even had a vaccination clinic

inside the experience and provided a discount for folks going in and getting their booster shot. one guy said that's why he got his booster shot, he didn't want to pay that $20. we also know that masks are required and stadium officials said that they're planning to enforce that a little bit more seriously than they did during that conference championship where you saw fans unmasked, enjoying themselves and eating and drinking. they said they'll try to have people follow that rule a little more seriously this time. there was concern this wouldn't be the experience with the omicron surge across the nation but so many happy they can enjoy the game and the celebration and the super bowl. >> and it's remarkable it's the second year in a row with the home field advantage because the bucks had it last year.

>> right. and they're not the home team. it's a bit of a technicality. we'll see how much that matters when there's 70,000 people inside that stadium cheering on. there's a lot of people coming from cincinnati as well. that is an interesting technicality we're watching. >> what is your pick? i know we're not supposed to take sides but do you have a favorite? >> it's hard because i'm a giants fan. i'm a new york giants fan so i really don't -- it doesn't matter to me but i think i'll go for the bengals. >> well, joe burrow is just so remarkable. you have to always root for the underdog, too. thank you, shaq. have a great weekend. i know you're working but it's going to be a lot of fun, too. we look forward to your reports. >> remember, follow the show online.

kristen welker is in for todd next. president biden spending his super bowl weekend huddling over the records of his top picks. plus, a potentially huge announcement in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic, as we're expecting breaking news from pfizer this hour. and later the president is holding a virtual meeting with foreign allies as he urges americans in ukraine to leave and to do it now. welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm kristen welker in for chuck todd. it's been just over two weeks since justice breyer announced he's retiring from the supreme court. mr. biden plans